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2014-05-16 02:51:01 PM  

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: petec: Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: petec:

I see the difference as this:
A drone can be operated remotely without visual contact, usually a camera transmits back to the operator who also has heading, altitude, (maybe gps) etc. info displayed, and the drone can maintain straight and level on it's own. With R/C you need to have a visual on the plane (or whatever) to maintain control.

So what you're saying is that this:
[img.fark.net image 565x414]

turns this:
[img.fark.net image 289x174]

into this?
[img.fark.net image 279x181]

That's a hell of a value for $280.

That's just a R/C plane mounted camera, it won't let the plane do straight and level on it's own. Drones can. And if you loose visual on that setup you're gonna crash it.

/But if you add some 'sposives, you could do some damage

Alright, so add another $40 to the mix. Even with the cost of the airframe, it's still sub-$500. If you're going FPV, the AP/GPS is a given if you don't already have one.

One of my projects for SEFF 2015 is a scale cruise missle. My neighbors are going to love me testing that.

Just out of curiosity, how many hours of stick time do you average a week?


Kinda personal question there at the end. But since this is the internet my answer is it varies depending on whether the wife and kids are away, my mood, if I still have some Jergens left...
 
2014-05-16 02:51:44 PM  

Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: petec: Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: petec:

I see the difference as this:
A drone can be operated remotely without visual contact, usually a camera transmits back to the operator who also has heading, altitude, (maybe gps) etc. info displayed, and the drone can maintain straight and level on it's own. With R/C you need to have a visual on the plane (or whatever) to maintain control.

So what you're saying is that this:
[img.fark.net image 565x414]

turns this:
[img.fark.net image 289x174]

into this?
[img.fark.net image 279x181]

That's a hell of a value for $280.

That's just a R/C plane mounted camera, it won't let the plane do straight and level on it's own. Drones can. And if you loose visual on that setup you're gonna crash it.

/But if you add some 'sposives, you could do some damage

Alright, so add another $40 to the mix. Even with the cost of the airframe, it's still sub-$500. If you're going FPV, the AP/GPS is a given if you don't already have one.

One of my projects for SEFF 2015 is a scale cruise missle. My neighbors are going to love me testing that.

Just out of curiosity, how many hours of stick time do you average a week?


I haven't done R/C in years. Dad started me back in the late 70s with gliders (still have his old Kraft setup, though not sure it works anymore). I built and flew a couple R/C planes in the 80s, then got my pilots  license (ASEL/VFR only) in the 90s. Haven't done that in a few years either though. The house and kid kinda killed the budget.
 
2014-05-16 02:56:37 PM  
it should be easy enough to jam these RC video toys they are using a public low frequency signal.   A microwave bulb and a directional antenna  (like a #10 size can) rigged up to flood the RC toy's antenna.  if your aim is good with a 5 degree arc and a -50 db where a typical RC probably works at -70 db or less.  point it at the RC toy for less than a minute and it would likely loose control and crash, or loose signal and fly far enough away that it would be lost.  this would prevent anything but very good directional antenna's, line of site sort of things  from sending commands or recieving signals from the toy.

as to an EMP device, it would have to be strong enough to  envelope the object at Distance X with a db strength decreases by three points with the power decreasing inversly proportioal to something between the distance and the square of the distance..  this could be modified by using a narow arc device but to get perhaps 100' and have a suficient power to short out the craft you would need about 150 db, so going from 1' to 100'  would take somewhere between  100x to 10,000x the power.   your typical 80 kilo ton nuke puts out something more than 1,000,000,000,000 db    and this is why there are no hand held emp weapons.
 
2014-05-16 03:02:19 PM  

MooseBayou: notatrollorami: ciberido: Marcus Aurelius: Walker: This kind of thing is just gonna get worse as they get cheaper

And by "worse" you mean there will be more videos of scantily clad women on the internet.

There are enough women more than happy to be filmed clad scantily, or even completely unclad, that there is no need to go perving after women who don't care to be fodder for your kitten-slaying.  I have it on good authority that there are so many hours of video being uploaded per day you could spend the right of your life working out your forearm without ever once needing to look at a video that was taken of someone who didn't want to be filmed.  And yes, I'm sure there's somebody, somewhere, who's response to that was "challenge accepted."

The only "need" that would be addressed by these voyeur-drones would be the "need" to know the video came at the expense of someone who didn't consent to be in it.

So yes, the operator is a creep, and if laws aren't already in place to punish that kind of behavior, there certainly should be.

Hmpf.  Harumpf.

Thank you. This thread was beginning to convince me that NO ONE thinks it's creepy and inappropriate to zoom your camera copter in on unconsenting women.

///We don't need to rewrite laws or anything but the guy needs a good pimp slap and to have his "drone" snapped in half.

Uh, there IS a law against that.


You are technically correct (which is the best kind of correct) but realistically if said guy was really flying his camera copter up to the boobs and butts of girls on a beach and one of their boyfriends/husbands backhands him and breaks his toy what's going to happen when the cop shows up?

Nothing.
 
2014-05-16 03:05:27 PM  

Buttknuckle: Why don't we all just get naked already?


Most people look better with their clothes on.
 
2014-05-16 03:07:04 PM  

images.dailylife.com.au

 
2014-05-16 03:11:11 PM  

petec: Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: petec: Lets talk frankly about internal cleanliness: petec:

I see the difference as this:
A drone can be operated remotely without visual contact, usually a camera transmits back to the operator who also has heading, altitude, (maybe gps) etc. info displayed, and the drone can maintain straight and level on it's own. With R/C you need to have a visual on the plane (or whatever) to maintain control.

So what you're saying is that this:
[img.fark.net image 565x414]

turns this:
[img.fark.net image 289x174]

into this?
[img.fark.net image 279x181]

That's a hell of a value for $280.

That's just a R/C plane mounted camera, it won't let the plane do straight and level on it's own. Drones can. And if you loose visual on that setup you're gonna crash it.

/But if you add some 'sposives, you could do some damage

Alright, so add another $40 to the mix. Even with the cost of the airframe, it's still sub-$500. If you're going FPV, the AP/GPS is a given if you don't already have one.

One of my projects for SEFF 2015 is a scale cruise missle. My neighbors are going to love me testing that.

Just out of curiosity, how many hours of stick time do you average a week?

I haven't done R/C in years. Dad started me back in the late 70s with gliders (still have his old Kraft setup, though not sure it works anymore). I built and flew a couple R/C planes in the 80s, then got my pilots  license (ASEL/VFR only) in the 90s. Haven't done that in a few years either though. The house and kid kinda killed the budget.


Now that I understand. It's everything I can do to budget for a handful of bits sometimes. Feast or famine, usually. Luckily I'm at a point where I'm rarely crashing and breaking things so I can fly a lot without spending more money to do it.

This whole "drone" mess is an odd subject. I'm flying about 4-6 hours a week, with FPV, GPS, 900mhz telemetry downlink and a programmable autopilot... yeah it's high-tech, but I still have a hard time considering it a drone. It's a really sophisticated toy. In the wrong hands, yes the tech can be used for nefarious purposes, but then again, so can a smartphone.
 
2014-05-16 03:11:22 PM  

petec: /But if you add some 'sposives, you could do some damage


I wonder about this kind of thing sometimes. In the last ten years or so, RC aircraft have gone from "expensive, limited, difficult to obtain and technologically daunting" to "cheap, easy, idiotproof and bizarrely powerful." As a result, there are certain kinds of crimes, some of them extremely serious, that have gone from "difficult to do without serious personal risk of arrest and/or bodily harm" to "trivially easy to commit with almost zero blowback, if you have some patience and a few hundred bucks."

I'm not accusing toy helicopter owners of any bad motives, and I have no idea what (if anything) ought to be done about it. But sooner or later someone's going to do something much worse than bikini-peeping with one of these things, and get away with it, and then the next week someone else will do a similar thing, and then [huntforredoctober_outofcontrolquote.jpg].
 
2014-05-16 03:13:54 PM  
Found the operators web site

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i216.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-16 03:14:12 PM  

Lee451: Buttknuckle: Why don't we all just get naked already?

Most people look better with their clothes on.


Yeah but with enough beer it doesn't ma*GAAAAAAAH*
 
2014-05-16 03:15:41 PM  

ciberido: if laws aren't already in place to punish that kind of behavior, there certainly should be


And then people wonder why America holds 25% of the world's prison population.
 
2014-05-16 03:21:30 PM  

Buttknuckle: Why don't we all just get naked already?


I'm at work
 
2014-05-16 03:22:38 PM  

H31N0US: I can see personal drone jammers being a thing in the near future. Possibly an iPhone / Andriod app?


FCC isn't going to like that one.
 
2014-05-16 03:24:49 PM  
media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-16 03:24:52 PM  

ciberido: pdee: Typical.  A woman wears clothes with her tits and ass hanging out then gets mad when a man looks at her tits and ass.

There's a difference between looking and making a video.  If you're incapable of understanding that difference, try remedial education.


They both are equally legal. Why do you hate the Constitution?
 
2014-05-16 03:27:52 PM  

Buttknuckle: Why don't we all just get naked already?


Because of jerks like me who need pockets.
 
2014-05-16 03:29:43 PM  

semiotix: petec: /But if you add some 'sposives, you could do some damage

I wonder about this kind of thing sometimes. In the last ten years or so, RC aircraft have gone from "expensive, limited, difficult to obtain and technologically daunting" to "cheap, easy, idiotproof and bizarrely powerful." As a result, there are certain kinds of crimes, some of them extremely serious, that have gone from "difficult to do without serious personal risk of arrest and/or bodily harm" to "trivially easy to commit with almost zero blowback, if you have some patience and a few hundred bucks."

I'm not accusing toy helicopter owners of any bad motives, and I have no idea what (if anything) ought to be done about it. But sooner or later someone's going to do something much worse than bikini-peeping with one of these things, and get away with it, and then the next week someone else will do a similar thing, and then [huntforredoctober_outofcontrolquote.jpg].


Alright, let's give the NSA a second to get the DHS in on this...

Everybody got their ears on? Good.

I'm honestly surprised someone hasn't done it yet. $150 or so can piece together an avionics system capable of autonomously putting an aircraft on target within a few meters. Many affordable airframes are designed to carry payloads- cameras mainly, some weighing a few pounds. Any self-diagnosed pyromaniac knows how to light things up.

The combination of the above nets you a cruise missile. Nowhere near the range or capability (navigation-wise or destructive capacity) of military hardware, but for what Bin Laden spent on pilot lessons for his buddies, you could have several dozen of these, each programmed to a different target, low and slow enough not to trip radar systems, and not likely to be noticed (to an extent that would prevent the attack anyway) until they start going boom.

And to build the fleet you would arise no more suspicion than an ebay reseller moving RC product.

I scare myself sometimes. Now if you'll excuse me, someone is at the door.
 
2014-05-16 03:32:18 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Buttknuckle: Why don't we all just get naked already?

Because of jerks like me who need pockets.


You've never heard of a "prison purse"?
Your argument is invalid.
 
2014-05-16 03:34:54 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: ciberido: if laws aren't already in place to punish that kind of behavior, there certainly should be

And then people wonder why America holds 25% of the world's prison population.


Let me guess what's next, laws to prevent citizens from having improper thought? Probably according to ciberido.

I don't understand what part of this is so farking hard to understand: human beings are sexual. They like to look at sexual things. If you present yourself as something to look at, people will look at you. If you don't like that, don't dress like that. Don't act like an entitled biach who thinks the world should act the way they want it to.
 
2014-05-16 04:00:05 PM  

ManRay: I have a quad copter. It's not a drone. Drones are what the government uses to kill people at wedding parties in other countries.


THIS!

Stop calling model airplanes and helicopters drones.
 
2014-05-16 04:03:43 PM  

petec: I see the difference as this:
A drone can be operated remotely without visual contact, usually a camera transmits back to the operator who also has heading, altitude, (maybe gps) etc. info displayed, and the drone can maintain straight and level on it's own. With R/C you need to have a visual on the plane (or whatever) to maintain control.


I fly my quad via FPV goggles. I don't have to be able to see it LOS to fly it. It's a common way to control RC planes and multirotors these days. It also has GPS onboard.

But it is not weaponized.
 
2014-05-16 04:04:08 PM  
Kids with their stupid new technology.  Nothing still beats a condo deck with a telescope.
 
2014-05-16 04:06:11 PM  
Farkers I am disappoint.  Even in you TFers.

No one's posted screencaps/GIFs from the X10 camera yet??
 
2014-05-16 04:30:55 PM  

ManRay: petec: I see the difference as this:
A drone can be operated remotely without visual contact, usually a camera transmits back to the operator who also has heading, altitude, (maybe gps) etc. info displayed, and the drone can maintain straight and level on it's own. With R/C you need to have a visual on the plane (or whatever) to maintain control.

I fly my quad via FPV goggles. I don't have to be able to see it LOS to fly it. It's a common way to control RC planes and multirotors these days. It also has GPS onboard.

But it is not weaponized.


YET.
 
2014-05-16 04:46:40 PM  
The FAA is going to come down really hard on drones pretty soon.

It's going to be very sad for hobbiests, and farking hilarious to hear perverts whine.

"I have a right to make a hovercam follow a woman around at ass height all day long."

No you dont.

Fun fact for you dronetards in the thread. RC aircraft, which is what you own according to the law, have to remain within line of sight, they have to stay under 200 feet, and have to be under 25 pounds.

/enjoy your FAA fines.
 
2014-05-16 05:17:32 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: Buttknuckle: Why don't we all just get naked already?

Because of jerks like me who need pockets.


I would like to commend you on the decision to forgo the fanny pack even though it is obvious that sans pants you would need one.  You truly are a gentlemen.  Thank you.
 
2014-05-16 05:41:53 PM  

H31N0US: Parthenogenetic: TNel: Problem solved:
[galleryplus.ebayimg.com image 850x850]

I was thinking more along the lines of:

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 522x614]
...but yours is probably less likely to end up in litigation.

Probably.

Municipal police are already stroking their smallish cocks in anticipation of this technology, and it will be a criminal offense to interfere with a police drone, even if it is on your property peering through your open blinds.


I bet that goes to the Supremes. Wonder how Clarence Thomas will weigh in.

www.blogcdn.com
 
2014-05-16 06:33:06 PM  
Maybe a well-aimed handful of sand thrown at it would do in a pinch?

lifeandworktp.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-05-16 09:16:27 PM  
It gets worse. The drone was towing a "Free the Beaches" banner.
 
2014-05-17 02:56:25 AM  

Parthenogenetic: TNel: Problem solved:
[galleryplus.ebayimg.com image 850x850]

I was thinking more along the lines of:

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 522x614]
...but yours is probably less likely to end up in litigation.

Probably.


I have always wanted one of those.
 
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