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(Miami Herald)   Gas prices are so outrageous thieves have turned to siphoning gas directly from gas stations   (miamiherald.com) divider line 45
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2014-05-16 07:40:42 AM
$3.50. Outrageous?  Yep, agreed, try treble that and I will agree they are approaching rather normal.
 
2014-05-16 07:45:57 AM
Is this a repeat from 1973 or 1980?
 
2014-05-16 08:46:12 AM
Why the frig would you submit a weak ass snippet article instead of the real article it's linked too?
 
2014-05-16 08:53:23 AM
$3.65ish in eastern MA.
 
2014-05-16 09:21:07 AM
$3.39 last night in Arlington TX
 
2014-05-16 09:22:48 AM
Pumping, not siphoning.  Farking journalism. How does it work?
 
2014-05-16 09:24:11 AM
Gas prices are actually down about 40 cents from last year
 
2014-05-16 09:25:27 AM
Not being of the criminal mind I have to wonder, how do you sell diesel out of the back of a truck?  It's not like stolen hard goods you can sell at a flea market.
 
2014-05-16 09:27:21 AM
They're talking about Diesel. Which, in NJ was $3.75 a gallon, and in MA, $3.99.

While this might not seem like much, when I owned an old Diesel Mercedes, it racks up quickly (the car being worn and tired contributed - what should have been 30 mpg was in actuality 22-25, and I drive everywhere for work).

Unlike Mr. Panic in the article, getting diesel to explode is quite difficult, even with fumes.
 
2014-05-16 09:30:26 AM
Gas is way cheaper in the US than in the rest of the developed world, whinemitter.
 
2014-05-16 09:30:38 AM
"If there's a little spark, not only does the car blow up, but innocent bystanders would get hurt," Peach said. However, the danger to the public is not limited to the pump, he said. "It is very scary to think that there are cars out there with hundreds of gallons of diesel in their trunk."

Diesel doesn't blow up or explode. Hell its almost impossible to ignite raw diesel. You can't even light it with a road flare.

Mix a little gas into it though, and it'll go boom nicely.
 
2014-05-16 09:31:11 AM
3.50?  That's cheaper than it was in 2008.

Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-05-16 09:33:20 AM
Why is this news? This kind of thing has been happening for quite some time. I think it started back in the Bush era when gas was nearly $4.00/gal. The best method was stolen test gas cards which were limited to $10.00  Go to a few stations and get a full tank. They finally quit using those, but still...
 
2014-05-16 09:33:55 AM
FTA: According to Peach, the thieves sell the stolen diesel fuel on the black market...

"If there's a little spark, not only does the car blow up, but innocent bystanders would get hurt," Peach said.

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2014-05-16 09:36:18 AM
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2014-05-16 09:45:57 AM
FTFA: "They break the lid open, stick a siphon into the tank and turn on the small motor," Peach said. "In 10 minutes they steal a couple thousand dollars in gas."

The two suspects that have been seen on camera most frequently are responsible for at least six cases of fuel thefts over the course of the past seven months... and have netted 750 gallons of diesel fuel.


According to this site, diesel prices in Florida seem to range from the high $3.60's to about $3.90 per gallon. So assume they're using the high end of that range for their estimation, $3.90 per gallon times 750 gallons is $2925 worth of fuel they've stolen over a seven month period. So where are they getting "a couple thousand dollars in gas in ten minutes" from?
 
2014-05-16 09:46:14 AM
happened out here a few months ago, except their Walter White RV exploded and burnt three losers: http://bc.ctvnews.ca/rv-that-caught-fire-was-being-used-to-steal-gas- p olice-1.1733736 (with video)
 
2014-05-16 09:50:52 AM
For a little perspective, the intarwebs say that petrol is currently about £1.30/liter in the UK. If my awful math skills are correct, which is doubtful, then that would come to about $2.19 USD per liter (!), or $8.30 USD per gallon!
 
2014-05-16 09:51:23 AM
From TFA: So, how are gas stations handling the problem? By asking their employees to stay alert.

How about, oh I don't know, putting a fence around the area with the supply ports?  Doesn't have to be a tall fence.  Duct tape a couple of baby gates together, or line up a few dozen of those "piso mojado" signs.  The thieves will see the fence, weigh the pros and cons of breaking into the area, and probably decide to try somewhere else.
 
2014-05-16 09:53:54 AM

aseras: "If there's a little spark, not only does the car blow up, but innocent bystanders would get hurt," Peach said. However, the danger to the public is not limited to the pump, he said. "It is very scary to think that there are cars out there with hundreds of gallons of diesel in their trunk."

Diesel doesn't blow up or explode. Hell its almost impossible to ignite raw diesel. You can't even light it with a road flare.

Mix a little gas into it though, and it'll go boom nicely.


Wrong!

earnthis.net

/can't remember if it was diesel.
//rats
 
2014-05-16 09:54:59 AM
Outrageously AWESOME, you mean, subby! If we're ever going to get Americans to abandon the automobile jacking up the price of gas is the way to do it. I mean, look at Europe's high gas prices, and everybody bikes or uses public transportation. We need to go higher! Yeah it'll mean record profits for the oil companies, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. I mean, you want to save the planet, don't you?
 
2014-05-16 09:58:03 AM

Quaker: FTFA: "They break the lid open, stick a siphon into the tank and turn on the small motor," Peach said. "In 10 minutes they steal a couple thousand dollars in gas."

The two suspects that have been seen on camera most frequently are responsible for at least six cases of fuel thefts over the course of the past seven months... and have netted 750 gallons of diesel fuel.

According to this site, diesel prices in Florida seem to range from the high $3.60's to about $3.90 per gallon. So assume they're using the high end of that range for their estimation, $3.90 per gallon times 750 gallons is $2925 worth of fuel they've stolen over a seven month period. So where are they getting "a couple thousand dollars in gas in ten minutes" from?


Math says they'd need a pump that can move damn near 1 gallon a second. That would fit into and be powered by a normal minivan. This says nothing of the close to 70 cubic feet $2000 worth of diesel takes up. Cursory googling says 10 sec/gallon is pretty normal for the kind of pump they'd almost certainly be using- low power, designed to extricate fuels and oils from drums.

(seats down, a dodge grand caravan can hold 140+ cu ft of cargo, but I doubt you can find a pump, and tank that meets all the requirements that fits inside said van.)

So if by "thousands of dollars" he means "at best, hundreds of dollars" then yes.
 
2014-05-16 09:58:39 AM

Tom_Slick: Not being of the criminal mind I have to wonder, how do you sell diesel out of the back of a truck?  It's not like stolen hard goods you can sell at a flea market.


Sign: "Diesel $2.50/gal"

It's all they'd need.
 
2014-05-16 10:00:38 AM

TheHappyCanadian: happened out here a few months ago, except their Walter White RV exploded and burnt three losers: http://bc.ctvnews.ca/rv-that-caught-fire-was-being-used-to-steal-gas- p olice-1.1733736 (with video)


That was gasoline, these thieves are smarter they are stealing diesel much safer.
 
2014-05-16 10:01:14 AM

grinding_journalist: Quaker: FTFA: "They break the lid open, stick a siphon into the tank and turn on the small motor," Peach said. "In 10 minutes they steal a couple thousand dollars in gas."

The two suspects that have been seen on camera most frequently are responsible for at least six cases of fuel thefts over the course of the past seven months... and have netted 750 gallons of diesel fuel.

According to this site, diesel prices in Florida seem to range from the high $3.60's to about $3.90 per gallon. So assume they're using the high end of that range for their estimation, $3.90 per gallon times 750 gallons is $2925 worth of fuel they've stolen over a seven month period. So where are they getting "a couple thousand dollars in gas in ten minutes" from?

Math says they'd need a pump that can move damn near 1 gallon a second. That would fit into and be powered by a normal minivan. This says nothing of the close to 70 cubic feet $2000 worth of diesel takes up. Cursory googling says 10 sec/gallon is pretty normal for the kind of pump they'd almost certainly be using- low power, designed to extricate fuels and oils from drums.

(seats down, a dodge grand caravan can hold 140+ cu ft of cargo, but I doubt you can find a pump, and tank that meets all the requirements that fits inside said van.)

So if by "thousands of dollars" he means "at best, hundreds of dollars" then yes.


Cop math it's not just for drugs anymore.
 
2014-05-16 10:03:37 AM

enry: $3.65ish in eastern MA.


I paid $3.709 per gallon the other day in Rotterdam, NY.
 
2014-05-16 10:05:19 AM

itsaidwhat: Tom_Slick: Not being of the criminal mind I have to wonder, how do you sell diesel out of the back of a truck?  It's not like stolen hard goods you can sell at a flea market.

Sign: "Diesel $2.50/gal"

It's all they'd need.


Yeah I'm going to fill my $200,000 big rig from the back of a minivan.
 
2014-05-16 10:05:44 AM
Outrageous gas prices?  We haven't even hit the 1918 inflation-adjusted high yet.

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-16 10:16:53 AM

47 is the new 42: enry: $3.65ish in eastern MA.

I paid $3.709 per gallon the other day in Rotterdam, NY.


Grew up there. Parents still live there. NY gas is typically more expensive than MA (thanks NYC).
 
2014-05-16 10:17:43 AM
Is this where I post my favorite song my from my favorite underrated country artist?
 
2014-05-16 10:20:29 AM

Tom_Slick: Is this where I post my favorite song my from my favorite underrated country artist?


Whoops wrong thread
 
2014-05-16 10:24:11 AM

Tom_Slick: itsaidwhat: Tom_Slick: Not being of the criminal mind I have to wonder, how do you sell diesel out of the back of a truck?  It's not like stolen hard goods you can sell at a flea market.

Sign: "Diesel $2.50/gal"

It's all they'd need.

Yeah I'm going to fill my $200,000 big rig from the back of a minivan.


No, but if it was a "friend of a friend" that would *deliver* the fuel to my machine shop where I have 8 pieces of equipment and 18 generators that run on diesel and I've got 300 gal of additional capacity sitting unused out back, getting a month's worth of usage for about half of the energy cost looks pretty good.

"Energy" is one of the 3 things that it's never impossible to sell. (The other two being water and drugs.)
 
2014-05-16 10:39:33 AM

GDubDub: Pumping, not siphoning.  Farking journalism. How does it work?


Yea, I came to find out how they siphoned it.  Pumping is not siphoning.
 
2014-05-16 10:42:09 AM

grinding_journalist: Quaker: FTFA: "They break the lid open, stick a siphon into the tank and turn on the small motor," Peach said. "In 10 minutes they steal a couple thousand dollars in gas."

The two suspects that have been seen on camera most frequently are responsible for at least six cases of fuel thefts over the course of the past seven months... and have netted 750 gallons of diesel fuel.

According to this site, diesel prices in Florida seem to range from the high $3.60's to about $3.90 per gallon. So assume they're using the high end of that range for their estimation, $3.90 per gallon times 750 gallons is $2925 worth of fuel they've stolen over a seven month period. So where are they getting "a couple thousand dollars in gas in ten minutes" from?

Math says they'd need a pump that can move damn near 1 gallon a second. That would fit into and be powered by a normal minivan. This says nothing of the close to 70 cubic feet $2000 worth of diesel takes up. Cursory googling says 10 sec/gallon is pretty normal for the kind of pump they'd almost certainly be using- low power, designed to extricate fuels and oils from drums.

(seats down, a dodge grand caravan can hold 140+ cu ft of cargo, but I doubt you can find a pump, and tank that meets all the requirements that fits inside said van.)

So if by "thousands of dollars" he means "at best, hundreds of dollars" then yes.


The pump I use for brewing is about 12"x4", has an attached mounting bracket, and a variable-speed motor.  On the high setting, it will empty my 15-gallon boil pot in about 25 seconds.  I use the low speed setting, to avoid aerating the wort -- it takes about 125 seconds to empty at that speed.  So, ten minutes with that pump, pulling diesel at 60-65F...  Yeah, I could easily pull 600 gallons in 10 minutes, which is solidly into the "thousands of dollars" range...
 
2014-05-16 11:29:21 AM
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'The gasoline will be ours.'
 
2014-05-16 11:33:59 AM
Amateurs!


(That is crude oil in his boat!!!)

photo.sf.co.ua

A homemade oil refinery:

photo.sf.co.ua


//doing it right in Nigeria
 
2014-05-16 12:01:25 PM
my brother is paying about $8.50/gal in the UK right now, so i hardly think $3.50 is outrageous.
 
2014-05-16 12:15:53 PM

metamax: Amateurs!


(That is crude oil in his boat!!!)

[photo.sf.co.ua image 850x566]

A homemade oil refinery:

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//doing it right in Nigeria


Photos of people who will be lucky to see their 40th birthday. I can smell the stink of raw oil though my monitor.
 
2014-05-16 12:41:04 PM
Maybe, just maybe, instead of a movable metal cap over the tanks, gas stations used these...

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2014-05-16 02:58:27 PM
You have to do what you have to do.
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2014-05-16 03:34:31 PM
Hey, I know. Lower the price of gas to where it's not economically viable to steal it anymore. No, that would make too much sense.
 
2014-05-16 04:17:37 PM
Gas? How the hell is organized crime not involved in cigarettes? 6-10 bucks a pack? Most smokers smoke 1-2 packs a day, some 3-4. I guess that's why you'll always see a Beer, Coke, or Bread freight truck pulling into a store to drop off cargo but never a farking cigarette truck. Seriously, do tobacco companies ship the freight with stealth bombers and use a series of hidden tunnels to distribute their product? Why is there no black market for a product so overpriced and in demand?
 
2014-05-16 05:14:25 PM
Gas? How the hell is organized crime not involved in cigarettes? 6-10 bucks a pack? Most smokers smoke 1-2 packs a day, some 3-4. I guess that's why you'll always see a Beer, Coke, or Bread freight truck pulling into a store to drop off cargo but never a farking cigarette truck. Seriously, do tobacco companies ship the freight with stealth bombers and use a series of hidden tunnels to distribute their product? Why is there no black market for a product so overpriced and in demand?

It's a far larger problem than gasoline or diesel fuel. In 12 states over 25% of the cigarettes sold are from the black market, led by New York with a whopping 56.9%

http://taxfoundation.org/article/cigarette-taxes-and-cigarette-smugg li ng-state
 
2014-05-17 10:34:34 AM

enry: 47 is the new 42: enry: $3.65ish in eastern MA.

I paid $3.709 per gallon the other day in Rotterdam, NY.

Grew up there. Parents still live there. NY gas is typically more expensive than MA (thanks NYC).


If I was any where near NYC, it would have been more expensive.

/ Note to self:  If I ever go to Massachusetts, get gas there.
 
2014-05-17 10:57:23 AM

47 is the new 42: enry: 47 is the new 42: enry: $3.65ish in eastern MA.

I paid $3.709 per gallon the other day in Rotterdam, NY.

Grew up there. Parents still live there. NY gas is typically more expensive than MA (thanks NYC).

If I was any where near NYC, it would have been more expensive.

/ Note to self:  If I ever go to Massachusetts, get gas there.


I meant gas tax in the state is higher than MA.
 
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