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(MTC)   The fossil fuel divestment movement is really about creating "a long-lasting antipathy to fossil fuel companies in particular and to capitalism in general among today's college students"   (mindingthecampus.com) divider line 97
    More: Obvious, Stanford University, Bill McKibben, return on capital, alarmisms, global citizens, Pitzer College  
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vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-16 10:46:58 AM  
Universities should remember that all Americans have a responsibility to ensure maximum shareholder value for investors.  They have no business misleading people with socialist nonsense such as the idea that anything else matters.
 
2014-05-16 11:30:22 AM  
I always find it hilarious when conservative groups complain about lack of conservative views on university campuses, which seems to be the raison d'etre of this particular group.

When you have a political/cultural movement that adopts an essentially anti-intellectual stance, that is in many ways hostile to science (climate change, evolution, etc.), that is openly derisive and dismissive of most of the humanities, classics, art, philosophy, etc as academic pursuits, that generally opposes public funding for academic research - well damn straight you are going to be underrepresented among university faculty.  Not exactly a shocker here.  This is called self-selection - there's no nefarious discrimination going on here.
 
2014-05-16 12:24:00 PM  
Aaaaand this thread is done in 2.  Good work guys, on to the next green.
 
2014-05-16 12:42:41 PM  
Why do private universities refuse to invest their money the way right-wing bloggers want them to?
 
2014-05-16 01:12:05 PM  
The invisible hand is giving them the finger.  They just can't see it.
 
2014-05-16 01:45:29 PM  
Dem librul uneeversitees ar hotbeds of communist soshulizm. I trust in God an mah .45, dat's all I need.
 
2014-05-16 01:49:43 PM  

Doc Daneeka: When you have a political/cultural movement that adopts an essentially anti-intellectual stance, that is in many ways hostile to science (climate change, evolution, etc.), that is openly derisive and dismissive of most of the humanities, classics, art, philosophy, etc as academic pursuits, that generally opposes public funding for academic research - well damn straight you are going to be underrepresented among university faculty. Not exactly a shocker here. This is called self-selection - there's no nefarious discrimination going on here.


There are some other factors too. I had a conservative friend who was pursuing a Ph.D. in classics with the goal of being a professor. After he got married, he dropped out to have a kid and teaches high school Latin now. Conservatives put a high premium on raising a family, and that's not really consistent with conservative values. Of course, we could just make public universities free and pay graduate students a living wage so that they can afford to study and raise a kid. That would probably increase the balance in professors' political beliefs. I'm sure conservatives will be all over that proposal.
 
2014-05-16 02:02:37 PM  
Divestment isn't about stocks; it is about souls.

Supporting dirty, non-renewable energy sources is now a moral imperative.
 
2014-05-16 02:05:46 PM  
Fossil fuel companies have foisted the externalities of using fossil fuels on to the rest of us for far too long.

It is time for them to realize this, and this is a good first step.

Also... rents are a bane of capitalism, and add nothing but a vampiric extraction of value., and should not be lumped in with "capital"
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-16 03:01:10 PM  
meat0918:

Also... rents are a bane of capitalism, and add nothing but a vampiric extraction of value., and should not be lumped in with "capital"


Preserving externalities is one of the main functions of the GOP.  It's kind of amazing that the pretend to be inspired by Milton Friedman and manage to keep a straight face.
 
2014-05-16 03:28:03 PM  
Good.
 
2014-05-16 03:29:54 PM  
I wouldn't say that I have an antipathy toward capitalism as much as a healthy distrust of it.
 
2014-05-16 04:15:26 PM  
Well, hopefully subby, hopefully.

Though to honest if one judged the Boomers by Woodstock one would be severely lead astray.
 
2014-05-16 04:15:28 PM  
Wow. Somebody actually came out and said that decreased dependence of fossil fuels is The Soshulisms. That is weapons grade derp not to be viewed with the naked eye tight there.
 
2014-05-16 04:20:18 PM  
You know who else used 5th Columnists?
 
2014-05-16 04:21:09 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
University of Negroes and Communists, am I right Jesse?
 
2014-05-16 04:21:24 PM  
I think just about all young, college age people who have anything negative to say about capitalism would simply say that it's the lesser of two evils and the only real, viable option.

They'd say it sucks many times, but we're not likely to do any better.

Is that not good enough? That they accept it as the best of no good options? They can't have an opinion short of a ringing endorsement without being labeled communists or socialists?
 
2014-05-16 04:24:39 PM  
you mean the people who are going to have to live with the effects of climate change and wont profit from it at all may not be so keen on fossil fuels?

say it aint so
 
2014-05-16 04:26:37 PM  
Freeze in the dark, you lousy ingrate bastards.

I would like you to go just one year without gasoline for your cars, electricity for your appliances, heat for your homes, fertilizer to grow your crops, and medicines to heal your illnesses, not to mention plastics, millions of useful chemicals and just about every modern convenience.

Don't forget the fuel that brings all these products to you as well; that is a factor in every aspect of life.

Yeah, try that.  Try that, you loud--mouthed ungrateful ignorant SOB, then come back next year and tell me how much fun you had.

\\\ That is, if you are still alive to do so.
 
2014-05-16 04:28:22 PM  
wtfamireading.jpg
 
2014-05-16 04:29:30 PM  
www.mindingthecampus.com
I may be a fossil but this fuels me to want to be in this college student's company and divest her, creating long lasting pathos, putting my capital into a part of her. Today.
 
2014-05-16 04:30:24 PM  
ADDENDUM TO PREVIOUS POST:

Do n
ot talk with your mouth full, it is not polite.
 
2014-05-16 04:30:35 PM  
Don't we want to decrease our oil consumption so that the Saudis and the rest of them Ayrabs won't have as much money?

/No??
//well, color me surprised
 
2014-05-16 04:30:44 PM  

vpb: meat0918:

Also... rents are a bane of capitalism, and add nothing but a vampiric extraction of value., and should not be lumped in with "capital"


Preserving externalities is one of the main functions of the GOP.  It's kind of amazing that the pretend to be inspired by Milton Friedman Murray Rothbard and manage to keep a straight face.


FTFY.
 
2014-05-16 04:31:20 PM  
That's fracking idiotic.
 
2014-05-16 04:31:31 PM  

olddinosaur: Freeze in the dark, you lousy ingrate bastards.

I would like you to go just one year without gasoline for your cars, electricity for your appliances, heat for your homes, fertilizer to grow your crops, and medicines to heal your illnesses, not to mention plastics, millions of useful chemicals and just about every modern convenience.

Don't forget the fuel that brings all these products to you as well; that is a factor in every aspect of life.

Yeah, try that.  Try that, you loud--mouthed ungrateful ignorant SOB, then come back next year and tell me how much fun you had.

\\\ That is, if you are still alive to do so.


What you did there. I would see it but you did it 300m years ago.
 
2014-05-16 04:33:09 PM  

olddinosaur: Freeze in the dark, you lousy ingrate bastards.

I would like you to go just one year without gasoline for your cars, electricity for your appliances, heat for your homes, fertilizer to grow your crops, and medicines to heal your illnesses, not to mention plastics, millions of useful chemicals and just about every modern convenience.

Don't forget the fuel that brings all these products to you as well; that is a factor in every aspect of life.

Yeah, try that.  Try that, you loud--mouthed ungrateful ignorant SOB, then come back next year and tell me how much fun you had.

\\\ That is, if you are still alive to do so.


All those problems except for creation of plastics can be solved with renewable energy sources. If we continue to use fossil fuels to make plastics, so be it, as only a small percentage of fossil fuel is used for it.

So suck it.
 
2014-05-16 04:34:13 PM  

olddinosaur: Freeze in the dark, you lousy ingrate bastards.

I would like you to go just one year without gasoline for your cars, electricity for your appliances, heat for your homes, fertilizer to grow your crops, and medicines to heal your illnesses, not to mention plastics, millions of useful chemicals and just about every modern convenience.

Don't forget the fuel that brings all these products to you as well; that is a factor in every aspect of life.

Yeah, try that.  Try that, you loud--mouthed ungrateful ignorant SOB, then come back next year and tell me how much fun you had.

\\\ That is, if you are still alive to do so.


They couldn't get away from their Iphones long enough to attempt such a thing. Taking away their iphones would be like taking heroin away from a junkie.
 
2014-05-16 04:35:17 PM  

Cymbal: olddinosaur: Freeze in the dark, you lousy ingrate bastards.

I would like you to go just one year without gasoline for your cars, electricity for your appliances, heat for your homes, fertilizer to grow your crops, and medicines to heal your illnesses, not to mention plastics, millions of useful chemicals and just about every modern convenience.

Don't forget the fuel that brings all these products to you as well; that is a factor in every aspect of life.

Yeah, try that.  Try that, you loud--mouthed ungrateful ignorant SOB, then come back next year and tell me how much fun you had.

\\\ That is, if you are still alive to do so.

All those problems except for creation of plastics can be solved with renewable energy sources. If we continue to use fossil fuels to make plastics, so be it, as only a small percentage of fossil fuel is used for it.

So suck it.


Can't we recycle plastic?.
 
2014-05-16 04:36:52 PM  
www.commondreams.org
 
2014-05-16 04:37:06 PM  

olddinosaur: Freeze in the dark, you lousy ingrate bastards.

I would like you to go just one year without gasoline for your cars, electricity for your appliances, heat for your homes, fertilizer to grow your crops, and medicines to heal your illnesses, not to mention plastics, millions of useful chemicals and just about every modern convenience.

Don't forget the fuel that brings all these products to you as well; that is a factor in every aspect of life.

Yeah, try that.  Try that, you loud--mouthed ungrateful ignorant SOB, then come back next year and tell me how much fun you had.

\\\ That is, if you are still alive to do so.


Jeez can you imagine a world where we didn't have alternatives to fossil fuels for all those things?
 
2014-05-16 04:37:46 PM  

olddinosaur: Freeze in the dark, you lousy ingrate bastards.

I would like you to go just one year without gasoline for your cars, electricity for your appliances, heat for your homes, fertilizer to grow your crops, and medicines to heal your illnesses, not to mention plastics, millions of useful chemicals and just about every modern convenience.

Don't forget the fuel that brings all these products to you as well; that is a factor in every aspect of life.

Yeah, try that.  Try that, you loud--mouthed ungrateful ignorant SOB, then come back next year and tell me how much fun you had.

\\\ That is, if you are still alive to do so.


Somebody forget to give grandpa his meds again? Next thing you know he's going to be going on about the Irish stealing the jobs.
 
2014-05-16 04:37:54 PM  
using fossil fuels is not the same thing as using fossil fuels stupidly.

i would suggest using them not-stupidly.
 
2014-05-16 04:39:18 PM  

Huggermugger: Don't we want to decrease our oil consumption so that the Saudis and the rest of them Ayrabs won't have as much money?



At the present time there are two items of information so secret I cannot obtain them: One is how much oil the Saudis have in reserve, two is how much they sell every year.

They claim 210 billion barrels reserve and 1.8 billion barrels a year, but many people figure that it is more like 140 billion and 2.2 billion; no way to know for sure.

This is why they are financing terrorism round the globe; every $10 spike in oil prices is a $20 billion windfall, so it is good economic policy.  The USA turns a blind eye to this---deliberately, because we know what would happen if they shut off the valves.

Ironically, the USA is a net exporter of energy thanks to natural gas, but we still import oil for gasoline.  We can make gasoline out of coal but it would be more expensive; actually it would be a benefit because the money and jobs would stay in this country.
 
2014-05-16 04:41:00 PM  
I thought to myself "liberal circle jerk"?

/reads thread
//yup
 
2014-05-16 04:41:05 PM  

olddinosaur: Freeze in the dark, you lousy ingrate bastards.

I would like you to go just one year without gasoline for your cars, electricity for your appliances, heat for your homes, fertilizer to grow your crops, and medicines to heal your illnesses, not to mention plastics, millions of useful chemicals and just about every modern convenience.

Don't forget the fuel that brings all these products to you as well; that is a factor in every aspect of life.

Yeah, try that.  Try that, you loud--mouthed ungrateful ignorant SOB, then come back next year and tell me how much fun you had.

\\\ That is, if you are still alive to do so.


Weird. Most of what you described are petroleum products being used in ways OTHER THAN FUEL.

Hrm. It almost implies we should try to limit our use of petroleum as fuel, so that what we have can be conserved for still more difficult to replace purposes!

Thanks! You've further convinced me that fossil fuels are a bad idea, and that we need to do away with fossil fuels.

Well done!

/Say don't you normally rail AGAINST being coddled and dependent on society?
//Maybe you're an extra special snowflake, unlike everyone else, though. YOU'D be OK, everyone ELSE would just be screwed, huh?
 
2014-05-16 04:41:42 PM  
Coal is insanely dirty, even if you ignore global warming completely.  The number of people who have gotten sick or died from coal power plants is thousands of times as many as have gotten sick or died from nuclear power plants (they just get respiratory diseases from breathing in the pollution as opposed to from "scary" radiation (although coal power plant pollution is actually radioactive as well since much coal contains radioactive materials)).

In fact, I am in favor of shutting down all coal power plants in the US (over a multiyear phase-out period), replacing them with natural gas (which we have tons of), nuclear power (if the legal issues can be straightened out to make such profitable), and, to a lesser extent, solar and wind.
 
2014-05-16 04:45:28 PM  

Cymbal: olddinosaur: Freeze in the dark, you lousy ingrate bastards.

I would like you to go just one year without gasoline for your cars, electricity for your appliances, heat for your homes, fertilizer to grow your crops, and medicines to heal your illnesses, not to mention plastics, millions of useful chemicals and just about every modern convenience.

Don't forget the fuel that brings all these products to you as well; that is a factor in every aspect of life.

Yeah, try that.  Try that, you loud--mouthed ungrateful ignorant SOB, then come back next year and tell me how much fun you had.

\\\ That is, if you are still alive to do so.

All those problems except for creation of plastics can be solved with renewable energy sources. If we continue to use fossil fuels to make plastics, so be it, as only a small percentage of fossil fuel is used for it.

So suck it.


Yes, but the alternatives cost many times more, which is why they aren't used.

Also, there are no renewable energy sources for most forms of transportation.  There's no such thing as an electric passenger plane or cargo ship.
 
2014-05-16 04:46:00 PM  

Diogenes: Supporting dirty, non-renewable energy sources is now a moral imperative.


If it's a moral imperative then people who criticize these supporters yet they themselves consume them are hypocrites.

Cymbal: All those problems except for creation of plastics can be solved with renewable energy sources. If we continue to use fossil fuels to make plastics, so be it, as only a small percentage of fossil fuel is used for it.


Without natural gas to manufacturer ammonia on an industrial scale for fertilizers there would be no way this planet could sustain nearly the amount of people it currently does.

Renewable electricity by wind and solar still has yet to get past the base load problem.
 
2014-05-16 04:46:09 PM  
People living off the teat of another
often have a hard time thinking a policy of living of the teats of others is a bad idea.
 
2014-05-16 04:46:45 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: I thought to myself "liberal circle jerk"?

/reads thread
//yup


I thought to myself as I read the post contents "Republican projection"?

/me reads poster name
//Yup
 
2014-05-16 04:47:47 PM  

Geotpf: Coal is insanely dirty, even if you ignore global warming completely.  The number of people who have gotten sick or died from coal power plants is thousands of times as many as have gotten sick or died from nuclear power plants (they just get respiratory diseases from breathing in the pollution as opposed to from "scary" radiation (although coal power plant pollution is actually radioactive as well since much coal contains radioactive materials)).

In fact, I am in favor of shutting down all coal power plants in the US (over a multiyear phase-out period), replacing them with natural gas (which we have tons of), nuclear power (if the legal issues can be straightened out to make such profitable), and, to a lesser extent, solar and wind.


We make acetylene gas out of coal, and without acetylene gas there would be no welding, no steel cutting, no steel industry, no ships, no railroads, and also--no oil or natural gas, because both industries consume prodigious amounts of steel.  Therefore there would also be no trucks to haul goods, and no fuel to run them.

Sorry, bad idea.
 
2014-05-16 04:48:12 PM  

Geotpf: Coal is insanely dirty, even if you ignore global warming completely.  The number of people who have gotten sick or died from coal power plants is thousands of times as many as have gotten sick or died from nuclear power plants (they just get respiratory diseases from breathing in the pollution as opposed to from "scary" radiation (although coal power plant pollution is actually radioactive as well since much coal contains radioactive materials)).

In fact, I am in favor of shutting down all coal power plants in the US (over a multiyear phase-out period), replacing them with natural gas (which we have tons of), nuclear power (if the legal issues can be straightened out to make such profitable), and, to a lesser extent, solar and wind.


The issue is liability. Nuclear can only be profitable by offloading all their liabilities to the government - to the people, who don't share in the profits.

Short-term economic gains are privatized, long-term liabilities are socialized. It's the American Way.
 
2014-05-16 04:49:24 PM  

olddinosaur: Freeze in the dark, you lousy ingrate bastards.

I would like you to go just one year without gasoline for your cars, electricity for your appliances, heat for your homes, fertilizer to grow your crops, and medicines to heal your illnesses, not to mention plastics, millions of useful chemicals and just about every modern convenience.

Don't forget the fuel that brings all these products to you as well; that is a factor in every aspect of life.

Yeah, try that.  Try that, you loud--mouthed ungrateful ignorant SOB, then come back next year and tell me how much fun you had.

\\\ That is, if you are still alive to do so.


I'm not saying we should stop using fossil fuels.  Just use the ones we have wisely and try to stop buying it from people who hate us.
 
2014-05-16 04:50:02 PM  

Fark like a Barsoomian: olddinosaur: Freeze in the dark, you lousy ingrate bastards.

I would like you to go just one year without gasoline for your cars, electricity for your appliances, heat for your homes, fertilizer to grow your crops, and medicines to heal your illnesses, not to mention plastics, millions of useful chemicals and just about every modern convenience.

Don't forget the fuel that brings all these products to you as well; that is a factor in every aspect of life.

Yeah, try that.  Try that, you loud--mouthed ungrateful ignorant SOB, then come back next year and tell me how much fun you had.

\\\ That is, if you are still alive to do so.

What you did there. I would see it but you did it 300m years ago.


You can have your cave...
Have fun hunting for your food. Oh, right...you're a vegan.
 
2014-05-16 04:50:19 PM  
Only half of extracted refined oil goes to fossil fuels such as gasoline.  The other half goes to things like plastics, nylon, paint, carpet, etc.  Try going without that for a while.
 
2014-05-16 04:53:13 PM  

olddinosaur: Geotpf: Coal is insanely dirty, even if you ignore global warming completely.  The number of people who have gotten sick or died from coal power plants is thousands of times as many as have gotten sick or died from nuclear power plants (they just get respiratory diseases from breathing in the pollution as opposed to from "scary" radiation (although coal power plant pollution is actually radioactive as well since much coal contains radioactive materials)).

In fact, I am in favor of shutting down all coal power plants in the US (over a multiyear phase-out period), replacing them with natural gas (which we have tons of), nuclear power (if the legal issues can be straightened out to make such profitable), and, to a lesser extent, solar and wind.

We make acetylene gas out of coal, and without acetylene gas there would be no welding, no steel cutting, no steel industry, no ships, no railroads, and also--no oil or natural gas, because both industries consume prodigious amounts of steel.  Therefore there would also be no trucks to haul goods, and no fuel to run them.

Sorry, bad idea.


Are there alternative means of welding steel?  Sounds like a realm of tech development that would be of interest for fossil fuel divestment.
 
2014-05-16 04:53:34 PM  
This University, the one who pumps out eons of grads who are totally happy indulging in said capitalism making it possible for them to purchase all that real estate, the stocks, bonds, cars, jewelry, and everything else that comes with it.

What you did article, I DO see it...
 
2014-05-16 04:53:36 PM  

Metaluna Mutant: [www.commondreams.org image 350x250]


Whenever I hear the phrase "punchable face", this is what I see.

It's like the Gold Standard of punchable faces.
 
2014-05-16 04:53:37 PM  

vpb: Universities should remember that all Americans have a responsibility to ensure maximum shareholder value for investors.  They have no business misleading people with socialist nonsense such as the idea that anything else matters.


Divesting may actually be a smart move as the Dow has out performed the Oil & Gas producers over 5 years (max value on site)
http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/industry/bigcharts-com/industrychar t. asp?timeframe=FiveYear&compidx=DJIA&symb=&industrySymb=DJUSOG&x=16&y=1 2

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