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(8 News Now)   Officer: ''you didn't see any kids drinking did you?' And I said, yeah I did. And he said, 'no you didn't,'' - federal lawsuit against police department allowed to proceed in death of Farkette's friend   (8newsnow.com) divider line 41
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2014-05-16 11:28:42 AM
4 votes:
well the school district that basically had nothing to do with this incident are getting shafted because they are the target with deep pockets.

The lady who threw the party doesn't have any money, the kid that actually killed their daughter doesn't have any money but the school district does, so lets see how we can rope them in to get paid.

the school district had nothing to do with no one at a private party stopping a teenager from driving drunk.
2014-05-16 11:11:59 AM
4 votes:
"I'm sure they wanted us to drop dead, dry up, and blow away. Basically, what they did with Angela. We're not going away," Angela's father Frank Peterson said

"Their employees were drinking with underage children and let them leave? And take no responsibility for this. It could happen to their children," said Linda Peterson


Your daughter was 24 years old.  She was an adult.  The driver was 24 years old.  While certainly a tragedy, I don't see the School District being responsible for her death.

You want to blame someone, blame this guy, the drunk driver.

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2014-05-16 11:03:09 AM
4 votes:
Wow. Fark all of them.

The driver, 18-year-old Kevin Miranda, had been boozing it up for hours at a party in the home of police dispatcher Rebecca Wamsley. One of those who allegedly brought booze to the party and played beer pong with Miranda was officer Mark Robbins.

"When you talk about the party and who was at the party, everybody dumbs down. Nobody saw anything. They were all in a groups talking together during the party, but when you ask them all individually, they were all facing the wall. They were all lined up at a party facing the wall," Cook said.


Seriously. Recycle them for spare parts. We don't need them reproducing any further.
2014-05-16 11:02:37 AM
4 votes:
Sorry to hear about your friend.

That's still an awfully-written article. I skimmed through the first few paragaphs and still can't figure out who crashed into the victim. I'm also assuming it was a DUI crash based on the photo -- did it actually state that in TFA?
2014-05-16 11:59:23 AM
3 votes:

Begoggle: Geotpf: ameeriklane: Sorry to hear about your friend.

That's still an awfully-written article. I skimmed through the first few paragaphs and still can't figure out who crashed into the victim. I'm also assuming it was a DUI crash based on the photo -- did it actually state that in TFA?

18 year old student was drinking at a party crashed into the victim's car and killed her.  At the party was apparently the entire school police force.  It was held a police dispatcher's house.  There apparently were two "separate" parties going on at the same time; a birthday party for the dispatcher's 17 year old daughter and the adult holiday party where the point seemed mainly to be to get drunk (beer pong was specifically mentioned on the flyer for the party); in practice, the two merged and everybody got drunk, both the teens and the school cops.

Of course, afterwards, the school cops tried to cover up everything, and, in the end, the school district and therefore the taxpayers will have to pay lots and lots of money to the family of the victim.

Sounds like these are two separate cases.
The 18 year old is the sole person to blame for driving drunk and killing someone.
The cops and other adults are responsible for giving alcohol to underage people, which is a different crime.


Farker-to-Farker advice: in the event that you ever throw a party with anyone of any age present, you really, really had better look up your state's Social Hosting laws.

In NJ, for example, you can be held legally liable for the actions of any one who drinks at your party, leaves, and gets hurt or hurts someone else. That means if they kill someone while driving drunk, you can be sued and you will lose. If they trip and crack their own skull open, they can sue you, and you will lose.

And if someone shows up to your party already drunk, and you let them in but don't let them drink, the onus is on you to prove that you didn't let them drink... good luck with that.

You don't have to like these laws. You don't gave to agree with them. But they are the laws on the books and you can be beggared by them.

And as a more typical Fark comment response: your opinion is bad and you should feel bad. Absolutely the older adults should be held responsible for the consequences of giving alcohol to someone too young to make good decisions about it. And in terms of the physical development of the parts of the brain involving higher decision-making functions, an average 18-year-old is not yet ready to make good decisions. It's just science, biatches.
2014-05-16 11:34:40 AM
3 votes:

Geotpf: ameeriklane: Sorry to hear about your friend.

That's still an awfully-written article. I skimmed through the first few paragaphs and still can't figure out who crashed into the victim. I'm also assuming it was a DUI crash based on the photo -- did it actually state that in TFA?

18 year old student was drinking at a party crashed into the victim's car and killed her.  At the party was apparently the entire school police force.  It was held a police dispatcher's house.  There apparently were two "separate" parties going on at the same time; a birthday party for the dispatcher's 17 year old daughter and the adult holiday party where the point seemed mainly to be to get drunk (beer pong was specifically mentioned on the flyer for the party); in practice, the two merged and everybody got drunk, both the teens and the school cops.

Of course, afterwards, the school cops tried to cover up everything, and, in the end, the school district and therefore the taxpayers will have to pay lots and lots of money to the family of the victim.


Sounds like these are two separate cases.
The 18 year old is the sole person to blame for driving drunk and killing someone.
The cops and other adults are responsible for giving alcohol to underage people, which is a different crime.
2014-05-16 11:30:54 AM
3 votes:

ameeriklane: Sorry to hear about your friend.

That's still an awfully-written article. I skimmed through the first few paragaphs and still can't figure out who crashed into the victim. I'm also assuming it was a DUI crash based on the photo -- did it actually state that in TFA?


18 year old student was drinking at a party crashed into the victim's car and killed her.  At the party was apparently the entire school police force.  It was held a police dispatcher's house.  There apparently were two "separate" parties going on at the same time; a birthday party for the dispatcher's 17 year old daughter and the adult holiday party where the point seemed mainly to be to get drunk (beer pong was specifically mentioned on the flyer for the party); in practice, the two merged and everybody got drunk, both the teens and the school cops.

Of course, afterwards, the school cops tried to cover up everything, and, in the end, the school district and therefore the taxpayers will have to pay lots and lots of money to the family of the victim.
2014-05-16 11:16:34 AM
3 votes:
Wait. Why does a school district have its own police force, complete with dispatchers? Couldn't they rent-a-cop from the local municipal police force?
2014-05-16 11:14:18 AM
3 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: While certainly a tragedy, I don't see the School District being responsible for her death.


The district knew better than you, that's why they tried to cover it up.
2014-05-16 11:13:08 AM
3 votes:
Well, they're all farked. The stonewalling game will work in your little fiefdom, but once the feds get involved the weakness of that strategy becomes clear.
2014-05-16 11:00:00 AM
3 votes:
If you trust a cop, you must have paid him well.
2014-05-16 12:17:01 PM
2 votes:

KidneyStone: So it's the school cops fault because no high school kid has ever heard that drunk driving is dangerous.  The source of the alcohol is fairly irrelevant because school kids will get booze one way or another.

Throw this asshole in PMITA prison, he is solely to blame.


If I know full well that someone is about to shoot up a school and I lend him my gun for that purpose, I think it's unlikely that I'm going to be off the hook just because he could have gotten a gun somewhere else.

When you've got a kid at a party and you're providing him with alcohol, not only is that, itself, a crime, but you know full well what he's about to do with it, and police employees at the party, according to the kid himself, knew he was going to drive and made no effort to discourage him.

That said, it's the cover-up and apparent intimidation of other police employees to encourage them to lie in their testimony that makes it so bad. If it weren't for that, I'd think they were just a bunch of halfwits and  Reno 911! is a documentary. Now it's malicious and evil.
2014-05-16 12:04:29 PM
2 votes:

Begoggle: Sounds like these are two separate cases.
The 18 year old is the sole person to blame for driving drunk and killing someone.
The cops and other adults are responsible for giving alcohol to underage people, which is a different crime.


You might want to do some reading on the concepts of Proximate Cause and Ultimate Cause as they relate to legal liability for personal loss and injury
2014-05-16 11:40:06 AM
2 votes:

Ned Stark: Man, I came in here for some Fark Cop Hate™ but I'm not feeling it. Some (off duty?) cops were at a party a future drunk driver was also at? Who cares?


Maybe you're trolling, but police department employees organized the party and provided the alcohol for the underage drinkers, one of whom then got in his truck drunk and promptly killed another teenager. Subsequently, the employees apparently all agreed to organize a coverup.

They're farked. They're totalfarked.
2014-05-16 11:39:25 AM
2 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: "I'm sure they wanted us to drop dead, dry up, and blow away. Basically, what they did with Angela. We're not going away," Angela's father Frank Peterson said

"Their employees were drinking with underage children and let them leave? And take no responsibility for this. It could happen to their children," said Linda Peterson

Your daughter was 24 years old.  She was an adult.  The driver was 24 years old.  While certainly a tragedy, I don't see the School District being responsible for her death.

You want to blame someone, blame this guy, the drunk driver.


Zeb, I'm not sure Hooked On Phonics worked for you.

-nowhere in tfa does it say the woman killed had been at the party, at any time.
-tfa does, however, say the drunk driver who killed her was an *18-year-old.*
-tfa also says the driver was a high school student.
-tfa further says that the party was hosted by and at the home of a school cop. That person is therefore legally and morally responsible for serving alcohol to a minor; and is also legally and morally responsible for the consequences of that.

Let me guess. At some point as an adult you hosted, or supplied alcohol to an underage party; or, at the very least, you believe underage drinking is no big deal and underage drinking laws are stupid. Either way, you're looking for an excuse as to why this wouldn't be the fault of the older adults who hosted and drank with the high schoolers.

That's my guess because I find it hard to believe your reading comprehension sucks this badly. So I'm chalking it up to psychic self-defense, inventing facts in your own head, at complete odds with what's stated, in order to defend previously-held beliefs.

But maybe I'm wrong. There could, in fact, be a completely different yet equally bizarre reason you mangled this so very badly.
2014-05-16 11:36:12 AM
2 votes:
Zeb Hesselgresser: "I don't see the School District being responsible for her death"

They're probably not; the individuals who bought for minors would be responsible.
(Barring some ridiculously outlandish details along the lines of it having been a district-sanctioned event and they *told* the kid to get in his truck and go get more beer or something).

*However* the district/police would be responsible for a botched/nonexistent investigation and attempted cover-up.
Which is the issue.
2014-05-16 11:29:31 AM
2 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: "I'm sure they wanted us to drop dead, dry up, and blow away. Basically, what they did with Angela. We're not going away," Angela's father Frank Peterson said

"Their employees were drinking with underage children and let them leave? And take no responsibility for this. It could happen to their children," said Linda Peterson

Your daughter was 24 years old.  She was an adult.  The driver was 24 years old.  While certainly a tragedy, I don't see the School District being responsible for her death.

You want to blame someone, blame this guy, the drunk driver.


The article was very poorly written as has been pointed out.  But I don't know where you got the idea they were both 24.  Says clearly  the victim was 18.  You do realize this is a 5-year-old case, right?
2014-05-16 11:16:29 AM
2 votes:
Why the fark would school cops hang out with kids FFS? Sounds almost like babysitting and the two chiefs blaming each other is classy.
2014-05-16 11:13:10 AM
2 votes:
(short prayer for Farkette) So sorry for your loss. Now, go crush the guilty ..
2014-05-16 11:05:43 AM
2 votes:
School cops, don't try to be the cool school cop who parties with the kids. Just don't do that.
2014-05-16 11:05:41 AM
2 votes:

Cletus C.: Weird that a guy named Miranda is the one speaking out.


yeah thats the guy who killed the girl, but is blaming it on everyone else, naturally.

Personal responsibility, how does it farking work?? You did the crime, now do the farking time, you cocksucking pussy.
2014-05-16 10:18:26 AM
2 votes:
Sometimes it sucks to grow up but once you do that's your job: to be the grownup.
2014-05-16 08:25:47 AM
2 votes:
That's all crazy. I'm also truly sorry for your loss.
2014-05-16 04:08:58 PM
1 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: Your daughter was 24 years old. She was an adult. The driver was 24 years old.


Have you been drinking with some campus cops?

The story very clearly states that the driver was 18.

freewill: Subsequently, the employees apparently all agreed to organize a coverup.


It appears to be worse than that.  According to TFA, the school district's attorneys TOLD them to cover it up.

Zeb Hesselgresser: I said "I don't see the school district being responsible


Well, except for that whole 'school district lawyers telling the PD to look the other way' thing.
2014-05-16 03:46:33 PM
1 votes:
Really sorry to hear about your friend, subby.


FTA: A federal judge has already ruled that the cap on damages that would normally apply to a government entity being sued does not apply in this case. It will be up to a jury to make that call.

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2014-05-16 12:30:38 PM
1 votes:

Zeb Hesselgresser: brimed03: Zeb Hesselgresser: "I'm sure they wanted us to drop dead, dry up, and blow away. Basically, what they did with Angela. We're not going away," Angela's father Frank Peterson said

"Their employees were drinking with underage children and let them leave? And take no responsibility for this. It could happen to their children," said Linda Peterson

Your daughter was 24 years old.  She was an adult.  The driver was 24 years old.  While certainly a tragedy, I don't see the School District being responsible for her death.

You want to blame someone, blame this guy, the drunk driver.

Zeb, I'm not sure Hooked On Phonics worked for you.

-nowhere in tfa does it say the woman killed had been at the party, at any time.
-tfa does, however, say the drunk driver who killed her was an *18-year-old.*
-tfa also says the driver was a high school student.
-tfa further says that the party was hosted by and at the home of a school cop. That person is therefore legally and morally responsible for serving alcohol to a minor; and is also legally and morally responsible for the consequences of that.

Let me guess. At some point as an adult you hosted, or supplied alcohol to an underage party; or, at the very least, you believe underage drinking is no big deal and underage drinking laws are stupid. Either way, you're looking for an excuse as to why this wouldn't be the fault of the older adults who hosted and drank with the high schoolers.

That's my guess because I find it hard to believe your reading comprehension sucks this badly. So I'm chalking it up to psychic self-defense, inventing facts in your own head, at complete odds with what's stated, in order to defend previously-held beliefs.

But maybe I'm wrong. There could, in fact, be a completely different yet equally bizarre reason you mangled this so very badly.
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"nowhere in tfa does it say the woman killed had been at the party, at any time."

I never said she was at the party.  I got his age wrong, from another poorly written article.
 

"Either way, you're looking for an excuse as to why this wouldn't be the fault of the older adults who hosted and drank with the high schoolers."

I said "I don't see the school district being responsible", the idiots that threw the party, them I never mentioned.

 I've got a reading comprehension problem? You surrendered to your pedantic side and lost your way.


So you've just admitted that you read TWO articles badly... and yet claim that you're not the one with reading comprehension issues.

OK.
2014-05-16 12:23:47 PM
1 votes:

KidneyStone: The source of the alcohol is fairly irrelevant because school kids will get booze one way or another.

Throw this asshole in PMITA prison, he is solely to blame.


I don't think the law would agree with you. Furnishing a minor with alcohol makes you responsible. In many places, if you sell to someone who is visibly intoxicated already, and they kill someone with their car you can be held responsible, even if that person is of legal drinking-age.
2014-05-16 11:53:28 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: A drunk driver was killed... What's the issue?


The drunk driver lived (and went to jail).  Random girl was killed when drunk driver ran into her car.
2014-05-16 11:36:41 AM
1 votes:

Ned Stark: Man, I came in here for some Fark Cop Hate™ but I'm not feeling it. Some (off duty?) cops were at a party a future drunk driver was also at? Who cares?


Any other time cops can't wait to get all up your ass about something,even when off duty. So now they aren't accountable for not doing their farking jobs??
2014-05-16 11:36:32 AM
1 votes:
Let me see if I have this right. School cops throw booze-up. Underage high school student attends said booze-up and get boozed up. Underage student, drunk on booze provided by school cops, leaves the party and kills somebody. School cops then go into coverup mode, denying that underage high school student got boozed up at their booze-up.

Well, like they say, it's not the crime that gets ya, it's the cover up. And yeah, holding a 'school cop' (which hits both the "think of the children" AND "uphold the law" triggers) to a higher standard than Uncle Bobby who buys a case and doesn't mind if the teenagers sneak a couple beers out of it is definitely going to happen. Especially when you have a smart, pretty, 18 year old white girl who ends up dead.
2014-05-16 11:28:08 AM
1 votes:
Props to the former dispatcher for not falling in line with the cover-up.
I can't imagine the pressure a police department could bring.
2014-05-16 11:27:27 AM
1 votes:
Man, I came in here for some Fark Cop Hate™ but I'm not feeling it. Some (off duty?) cops were at a party a future drunk driver was also at? Who cares?
2014-05-16 11:19:39 AM
1 votes:

ameeriklane: That's still an awfully-written article.


You can say that again.
2014-05-16 11:14:33 AM
1 votes:

Geoff Peterson: Cletus C.: Weird that a guy named Miranda is the one speaking out.

yeah thats the guy who killed the girl, but is blaming it on everyone else, naturally.

Personal responsibility, how does it farking work?? You did the crime, now do the farking time, you cocksucking pussy.


But he's just a kid! He's only 18! He can vote and join the armed forces, but it's somebody else's fault that he had some beer and wasn't stopped before getting into his car...
2014-05-16 11:14:02 AM
1 votes:

freewill: Wow. Fark all of them.

The driver, 18-year-old Kevin Miranda, had been boozing it up for hours at a party in the home of police dispatcher Rebecca Wamsley. One of those who allegedly brought booze to the party and played beer pong with Miranda was officer Mark Robbins.

"When you talk about the party and who was at the party, everybody dumbs down. Nobody saw anything. They were all in a groups talking together during the party, but when you ask them all individually, they were all facing the wall. They were all lined up at a party facing the wall," Cook said.

Seriously. Recycle them for spare parts. We don't need them reproducing any further.


I'm sure any regular non-cop could use that defense and get out of any responsibility.
2014-05-16 11:13:12 AM
1 votes:

LazyMedia: School cops, don't try to be the cool school cop who parties with the kids. Just don't do that.


It's hard for me to even imagine this stupidity happening.

/was in school pre-cops in schools
//sorry for your loss
2014-05-16 11:10:32 AM
1 votes:
Whom to believe... a Farkette or a cop.... decisions, decisions...

Testilying... cops never think they can get caught
2014-05-16 11:05:24 AM
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Weird that a guy named Miranda is the one speaking out.


Failing at coming up with a decent Serenity reference.
A corruption/cover-up happening in a police department in Las Vegas; what are the odds...
2014-05-16 11:01:48 AM
1 votes:
"You didn't see nothin', understand?"
2014-05-16 10:56:27 AM
1 votes:
farkin no account cops.  typical.
2014-05-16 10:54:52 AM
1 votes:
FTA: The former police chief says it's the fault of the current police chief. The current chief says the last chief dropped the ball.And the circle of life continues as usual in the public servant arena...
 
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