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(8 News Now)   Officer: ''you didn't see any kids drinking did you?' And I said, yeah I did. And he said, 'no you didn't,'' - federal lawsuit against police department allowed to proceed in death of Farkette's friend   (8newsnow.com) divider line 120
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2014-05-16 01:29:17 PM

hornblowerfan: I just moved to Vegas in November. The drivers here are insane. I have seen more accidents in 7 months than I have seen in 15 years of driving. And been almost clobbered many times.


Avoid I-15 if at all possible, and you'll survive. Between the drunk lost tourists and impatient locals, mostly transplants from all over, this city has the worst drivers I've ever seen (lived here 11 years now, only two accidents, one of which was my fault.)

And the cops are among the worst drivers (along with cab drivers and real estate agents.)
 
2014-05-16 01:36:49 PM

IlGreven: Geoff Peterson: Cletus C.: Weird that a guy named Miranda is the one speaking out.

yeah thats the guy who killed the girl, but is blaming it on everyone else, naturally.

Personal responsibility, how does it farking work?? You did the crime, now do the farking time, you cocksucking pussy.

My guess is it was a plea deal, thus a reduced sentence for him to roll on some bad cops.


"Where did you all get the booze." seems like a very important point to the investigation. Driver is going away for a loooooooong time but the DA needs to know exactly how and why this happened or why this was able to happen.

It's just the right way to go about a case like this just like all underage drinking issues. DA is just doing their job and after uncovering all the BS you GOTTA call the Feds in, amirite?
 
2014-05-16 01:53:26 PM
Subby, I'm sorry about the death of your friend.  Hopefully, the cops and other adults that allowed this to happen will be held responsible to the fullest extent of the law.

As an aside, anyone actually watch the video that went with this story?

The female news anchor also appears on CSI, as, appropriately enough, a local news anchor, when they have story lines that need a television reporter.
 
2014-05-16 02:29:39 PM

brimed03: Try reading up on cognitive development. Or you can just continue to spout uninformed dismissives.


Unfortunately, there are a lot of statistics from countries with lower drinking ages that are problematic for your argument.  It turns out that arbitrarily redefining increasingly-older people as "children" doesn't actually raise a society's overall level of maturity.

Yeah, that's probably easier. By chance, do you believe in Creationism?

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2014-05-16 03:20:50 PM

Arcturus72: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe:It says she was 24-year-old grad student in the article?  Copy and paste it for me, because I don't see it and I just read it again.  Not that it really matters, I guess.

Cook thinks the video is not only in poor taste but drips with irony because of testimony he has gathered in preparation for a federal court lawsuit against the school district and several employees for the role they played in the Nov. 2009 death of Angela Peterson, an honors grad student killed by a drunk driver.

How's that?


Are you ignorant or stupid?  My daughter was a grad stent at 19.  I asked where in the article it says the victim was 24 years old?  Mighta been in the video, I dunno.  Didn't watch it.  But it doesn't say it anywhere in the ARTICLE.

How's that?
 
2014-05-16 03:22:30 PM
*student ... And it was correct when I previewed it.
 
2014-05-16 03:43:28 PM
Sorry about your loss. All my best to you, her friends and family.
 
2014-05-16 03:46:33 PM
Really sorry to hear about your friend, subby.


FTA: A federal judge has already ruled that the cap on damages that would normally apply to a government entity being sued does not apply in this case. It will be up to a jury to make that call.

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2014-05-16 03:54:36 PM

SpectroBoy: kindms: well the school district that basically had nothing to do with this incident are getting shafted because they are the target with deep pockets.

The lady who threw the party doesn't have any money, the kid that actually killed their daughter doesn't have any money but the school district does, so lets see how we can rope them in to get paid.

the school district had nothing to do with no one at a private party stopping a teenager from driving drunk.

Sorry, if you are an adult authority figure in the presence of underage drinking you are obligated to do something. That something does NOT include playing beer pong with them.

I agree the adult who threw the party is at least as guilty, but the evidence at hand is that the cop played beer pong with an underage drinker. I think it is reasonable to punish that and unreasonable to cover it up.


I see the fark legal brigade showed up.

Are the employees of the district acting as agents of the district at the time of incident?

What are the obligations of the LEOs involved considering a) whether or not they were off-duty or acting as agents of the district; b) what was the intensity of the "crime" witnessed (felony/misdemeanor/etc); and c) whether or not they were within jurisdiction.

I would think an off-duty LEO, out of jurisdiction, witnessing a misdemeanor or less, is not only NOT obligated to do anything, but may be illegal for him to try to do anything (such as detain) because he'd be acting as a citizen, not a LEO.

At that point, the district is most assuredly not responsible for anything.  The parental individuals hosting the party my be contributory responsible.
 
2014-05-16 04:01:06 PM
The police who host lose the most.  I hope...
 
2014-05-16 04:08:58 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Your daughter was 24 years old. She was an adult. The driver was 24 years old.


Have you been drinking with some campus cops?

The story very clearly states that the driver was 18.

freewill: Subsequently, the employees apparently all agreed to organize a coverup.


It appears to be worse than that.  According to TFA, the school district's attorneys TOLD them to cover it up.

Zeb Hesselgresser: I said "I don't see the school district being responsible


Well, except for that whole 'school district lawyers telling the PD to look the other way' thing.
 
2014-05-16 04:11:07 PM

Zeb Hesselgresser: "I'm sure they wanted us to drop dead, dry up, and blow away. Basically, what they did with Angela. We're not going away," Angela's father Frank Peterson said

"Their employees were drinking with underage children and let them leave? And take no responsibility for this. It could happen to their children," said Linda Peterson

Your daughter was 24 years old.  She was an adult.  The driver was 24 years old.  While certainly a tragedy, I don't see the School District being responsible for her death.

You want to blame someone, blame this guy, the drunk driver.

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THIS!

 
2014-05-16 04:15:33 PM

JustGetItRight: It appears to be worse than that.  According to TFA, the school district's attorneys TOLD them to cover it up.


Not being a lawyer, I'm willing to entertain the possibility that they were genuinely trying to keep their department out of a matter they thought belonged with municipal law enforcement.

Entertain. If that's wrong, fark them all with cricket bat, too.
 
2014-05-16 06:45:25 PM

baorao: WTF is a "school cop"? Is that a cop or a security guard?


They are police. The CCSD is so large that they need their own police force.
 
2014-05-16 07:20:54 PM

SpectroBoy: Sorry, if you are an adult authority figure in the presence of underage drinking you are obligated to do something.


Sure, if you can explain to me what authority one adult has over another when outside a structured environment such as school or a place of business.

Because 18 is adult.  I know you Americans like to keep calling people "kids" until they're about 30, especially when they're guilty of doing something criminal and/or moronic, but he wasn't a kid, he was an adult.  Most of you support lowering the drinking age to 18, but now suddenly it's convenient for you that an 18 year old can't possibly be responsible for his actions around alcohol?

These "cops" (who were at someone else's house) were not in loco parentis.  If you're at a party at a friend's house, and you see an 18 year old there drinking, do you stop them, do you ask them to leave?  And if you say nothing, and they drive home and kill someone, are you criminally or civilly responsible for that?

The person whose home it was (Rebecca Wamsley) was guilty.  She organised an adult party for her workmates, and a birthday party for her 17-year-old daughter to occur at the same time.  She did this intentionally.  She provided the alcohol.  She should have kicked out anyone drinking under-age (assuming they weren't already drunk when they showed up).  It was her responsibility and no one else's to do that.  The other guests are not responsible for her actions or in-action in her home.  Her insurance company already stumped up a big old wad of cash.

A bunch of people realised that they were (unfairly) going to be held responsible for someone else's actions, and went into butt-covering mode.  Since it wasn't their fault in the first place, I have a hard time believing they should be punished, even though they did try to cover up the fact that they OH NO went to a party at a colleague's house on the understanding it was a party for adults, and then didn't feel brave enough to speak up to the host about what she was allowing the kids to do.  Even the person "brave" enough to stand up and say she saw kids drinking wasn't "brave" enough to do that.  No, she stayed at the party for hours watching the kids drink, thinking it was wrong and terrible and that the cops should be there and she did nothing.  Not a very brave woman, really.
 
2014-05-16 07:43:30 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Damnit! As a Vegas resident, I'm getting sick of my tax dollars being diverted to lawsuit pay-outs, so cops can act like assholes.


I can well understand the pain.  Yes, the victim was wronged.  However the perpetrator gets a slap on the wrist, the government agency either gets more funding or 'sucks it up' by being  even more horrible at their job,and the taxpayers are on the hook for something that's only extremely marginally their fault in the sense that they elected somebody who hired somebody who hired somebody else who ran the hiring/training process for the organization, etc...

Personally,  I think that employees need to be less shielded on average, not more.  Make screw-ups like this personally painful.
 
2014-05-16 07:46:31 PM
The innocent have been punished, the guilty will be protected

/obscure?
 
2014-05-16 11:41:03 PM

if_i_really_have_to: SpectroBoy: Sorry, if you are an adult authority figure in the presence of underage drinking you are obligated to do something.

Sure, if you can explain to me what authority one adult has over another when outside a structured environment such as school or a place of business.

Because 18 is adult.  I know you Americans like to keep calling people "kids" until they're about 30, especially when they're guilty of doing something criminal and/or moronic, but he wasn't a kid, he was an adult.  Most of you support lowering the drinking age to 18, but now suddenly it's convenient for you that an 18 year old can't possibly be responsible for his actions around alcohol?

These "cops" (who were at someone else's house) were not in loco parentis.  If you're at a party at a friend's house, and you see an 18 year old there drinking, do you stop them, do you ask them to leave?  And if you say nothing, and they drive home and kill someone, are you criminally or civilly responsible for that?

The person whose home it was (Rebecca Wamsley) was guilty.  She organised an adult party for her workmates, and a birthday party for her 17-year-old daughter to occur at the same time.  She did this intentionally.  She provided the alcohol.  She should have kicked out anyone drinking under-age (assuming they weren't already drunk when they showed up).  It was her responsibility and no one else's to do that.  The other guests are not responsible for her actions or in-action in her home.  Her insurance company already stumped up a big old wad of cash.

A bunch of people realised that they were (unfairly) going to be held responsible for someone else's actions, and went into butt-covering mode.  Since it wasn't their fault in the first place, I have a hard time believing they should be punished, even though they did try to cover up the fact that they OH NO went to a party at a colleague's house on the understanding it was a party for adults, and then didn't feel brave enough to speak up to the ...


According to TFA, it was one of these cops who provided the alcohol to the minors, and was drinking with them- playing beer pong.

Would you contend that if you bring alcohol to a party hosted by someone else and provide it to minors at that party that the host of the party, and not yourself, would be responsible for that, and for any resultant situation?
 
2014-05-17 02:00:00 AM

brimed03: Begoggle: Geotpf: ameeriklane: Sorry to hear about your friend.

That's still an awfully-written article. I skimmed through the first few paragaphs and still can't figure out who crashed into the victim. I'm also assuming it was a DUI crash based on the photo -- did it actually state that in TFA?

18 year old student was drinking at a party crashed into the victim's car and killed her.  At the party was apparently the entire school police force.  It was held a police dispatcher's house.  There apparently were two "separate" parties going on at the same time; a birthday party for the dispatcher's 17 year old daughter and the adult holiday party where the point seemed mainly to be to get drunk (beer pong was specifically mentioned on the flyer for the party); in practice, the two merged and everybody got drunk, both the teens and the school cops.

Of course, afterwards, the school cops tried to cover up everything, and, in the end, the school district and therefore the taxpayers will have to pay lots and lots of money to the family of the victim.

Sounds like these are two separate cases.
The 18 year old is the sole person to blame for driving drunk and killing someone.
The cops and other adults are responsible for giving alcohol to underage people, which is a different crime.

Farker-to-Farker advice: in the event that you ever throw a party with anyone of any age present, you really, really had better look up your state's Social Hosting laws.

In NJ, for example, you can be held legally liable for the actions of any one who drinks at your party, leaves, and gets hurt or hurts someone else. That means if they kill someone while driving drunk, you can be sued and you will lose. If they trip and crack their own skull open, they can sue you, and you will lose.

And if someone shows up to your party already drunk, and you let them in but don't let them drink, the onus is on you to prove that you didn't let them drink... good luck with that.

You don't have to like the ...


No, I don't have to like them, but the laws do have to be in the state where the incident occurred.
Durp.
 
2014-05-17 03:05:20 AM
oink, oink.
 
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