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(8 News Now)   Officer: ''you didn't see any kids drinking did you?' And I said, yeah I did. And he said, 'no you didn't,'' - federal lawsuit against police department allowed to proceed in death of Farkette's friend   (8newsnow.com) divider line 120
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2014-05-16 08:11:16 AM  
I am truley sorry for your lots.
 
2014-05-16 08:25:47 AM  
That's all crazy. I'm also truly sorry for your loss.
 
2014-05-16 09:58:56 AM  
Sounds like they got nothin' to loose.
 
2014-05-16 10:18:26 AM  
Sometimes it sucks to grow up but once you do that's your job: to be the grownup.
 
2014-05-16 10:54:25 AM  
Fuxsa School Police?

/I'm so sorry for you
 
2014-05-16 10:54:52 AM  
FTA: The former police chief says it's the fault of the current police chief. The current chief says the last chief dropped the ball.And the circle of life continues as usual in the public servant arena...
 
2014-05-16 10:56:03 AM  
Weird that a guy named Miranda is the one speaking out.
 
2014-05-16 10:56:27 AM  
farkin no account cops.  typical.
 
2014-05-16 10:59:22 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I am truley sorry for your lots.


First thing I thought of and I'm not surprised that you posted it first.

/no, no I'm not giggling at all...nuh unh
 
2014-05-16 11:00:00 AM  
If you trust a cop, you must have paid him well.
 
2014-05-16 11:01:17 AM  
Torn, sounds like a fun guy, but someone lost. Course, if cops bust up parties, people hate that too
 
2014-05-16 11:01:48 AM  
"You didn't see nothin', understand?"
 
2014-05-16 11:02:37 AM  
Sorry to hear about your friend.

That's still an awfully-written article. I skimmed through the first few paragaphs and still can't figure out who crashed into the victim. I'm also assuming it was a DUI crash based on the photo -- did it actually state that in TFA?
 
2014-05-16 11:02:48 AM  
Damnit! As a Vegas resident, I'm getting sick of my tax dollars being diverted to lawsuit pay-outs, so cops can act like assholes.
 
2014-05-16 11:03:09 AM  
Wow. Fark all of them.

The driver, 18-year-old Kevin Miranda, had been boozing it up for hours at a party in the home of police dispatcher Rebecca Wamsley. One of those who allegedly brought booze to the party and played beer pong with Miranda was officer Mark Robbins.

"When you talk about the party and who was at the party, everybody dumbs down. Nobody saw anything. They were all in a groups talking together during the party, but when you ask them all individually, they were all facing the wall. They were all lined up at a party facing the wall," Cook said.


Seriously. Recycle them for spare parts. We don't need them reproducing any further.
 
2014-05-16 11:05:24 AM  

Cletus C.: Weird that a guy named Miranda is the one speaking out.


Failing at coming up with a decent Serenity reference.
A corruption/cover-up happening in a police department in Las Vegas; what are the odds...
 
2014-05-16 11:05:41 AM  

Cletus C.: Weird that a guy named Miranda is the one speaking out.


yeah thats the guy who killed the girl, but is blaming it on everyone else, naturally.

Personal responsibility, how does it farking work?? You did the crime, now do the farking time, you cocksucking pussy.
 
2014-05-16 11:05:43 AM  
School cops, don't try to be the cool school cop who parties with the kids. Just don't do that.
 
2014-05-16 11:10:32 AM  
Whom to believe... a Farkette or a cop.... decisions, decisions...

Testilying... cops never think they can get caught
 
2014-05-16 11:11:59 AM  
"I'm sure they wanted us to drop dead, dry up, and blow away. Basically, what they did with Angela. We're not going away," Angela's father Frank Peterson said

"Their employees were drinking with underage children and let them leave? And take no responsibility for this. It could happen to their children," said Linda Peterson


Your daughter was 24 years old.  She was an adult.  The driver was 24 years old.  While certainly a tragedy, I don't see the School District being responsible for her death.

You want to blame someone, blame this guy, the drunk driver.

klas.images.worldnow.com
 
2014-05-16 11:13:08 AM  
Well, they're all farked. The stonewalling game will work in your little fiefdom, but once the feds get involved the weakness of that strategy becomes clear.
 
2014-05-16 11:13:10 AM  
(short prayer for Farkette) So sorry for your loss. Now, go crush the guilty ..
 
2014-05-16 11:13:12 AM  

LazyMedia: School cops, don't try to be the cool school cop who parties with the kids. Just don't do that.


It's hard for me to even imagine this stupidity happening.

/was in school pre-cops in schools
//sorry for your loss
 
2014-05-16 11:14:02 AM  

freewill: Wow. Fark all of them.

The driver, 18-year-old Kevin Miranda, had been boozing it up for hours at a party in the home of police dispatcher Rebecca Wamsley. One of those who allegedly brought booze to the party and played beer pong with Miranda was officer Mark Robbins.

"When you talk about the party and who was at the party, everybody dumbs down. Nobody saw anything. They were all in a groups talking together during the party, but when you ask them all individually, they were all facing the wall. They were all lined up at a party facing the wall," Cook said.

Seriously. Recycle them for spare parts. We don't need them reproducing any further.


I'm sure any regular non-cop could use that defense and get out of any responsibility.
 
2014-05-16 11:14:18 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: While certainly a tragedy, I don't see the School District being responsible for her death.


The district knew better than you, that's why they tried to cover it up.
 
2014-05-16 11:14:30 AM  
Damn. That's all kinds of messed up.
 
2014-05-16 11:14:33 AM  

Geoff Peterson: Cletus C.: Weird that a guy named Miranda is the one speaking out.

yeah thats the guy who killed the girl, but is blaming it on everyone else, naturally.

Personal responsibility, how does it farking work?? You did the crime, now do the farking time, you cocksucking pussy.


But he's just a kid! He's only 18! He can vote and join the armed forces, but it's somebody else's fault that he had some beer and wasn't stopped before getting into his car...
 
2014-05-16 11:16:29 AM  
Why the fark would school cops hang out with kids FFS? Sounds almost like babysitting and the two chiefs blaming each other is classy.
 
2014-05-16 11:16:34 AM  
Wait. Why does a school district have its own police force, complete with dispatchers? Couldn't they rent-a-cop from the local municipal police force?
 
2014-05-16 11:19:39 AM  

ameeriklane: That's still an awfully-written article.


You can say that again.
 
2014-05-16 11:23:31 AM  
Our priorities with youth and alcohol are all sorts of messed up, and this isn't helping.
 
2014-05-16 11:27:27 AM  
Man, I came in here for some Fark Cop Hate™ but I'm not feeling it. Some (off duty?) cops were at a party a future drunk driver was also at? Who cares?
 
2014-05-16 11:27:28 AM  
I'm confused.
What is a "school district" police force?
Is that like a mall cop?
 
2014-05-16 11:28:08 AM  
Props to the former dispatcher for not falling in line with the cover-up.
I can't imagine the pressure a police department could bring.
 
2014-05-16 11:28:42 AM  
well the school district that basically had nothing to do with this incident are getting shafted because they are the target with deep pockets.

The lady who threw the party doesn't have any money, the kid that actually killed their daughter doesn't have any money but the school district does, so lets see how we can rope them in to get paid.

the school district had nothing to do with no one at a private party stopping a teenager from driving drunk.
 
2014-05-16 11:29:31 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: "I'm sure they wanted us to drop dead, dry up, and blow away. Basically, what they did with Angela. We're not going away," Angela's father Frank Peterson said

"Their employees were drinking with underage children and let them leave? And take no responsibility for this. It could happen to their children," said Linda Peterson

Your daughter was 24 years old.  She was an adult.  The driver was 24 years old.  While certainly a tragedy, I don't see the School District being responsible for her death.

You want to blame someone, blame this guy, the drunk driver.


The article was very poorly written as has been pointed out.  But I don't know where you got the idea they were both 24.  Says clearly  the victim was 18.  You do realize this is a 5-year-old case, right?
 
2014-05-16 11:30:54 AM  

ameeriklane: Sorry to hear about your friend.

That's still an awfully-written article. I skimmed through the first few paragaphs and still can't figure out who crashed into the victim. I'm also assuming it was a DUI crash based on the photo -- did it actually state that in TFA?


18 year old student was drinking at a party crashed into the victim's car and killed her.  At the party was apparently the entire school police force.  It was held a police dispatcher's house.  There apparently were two "separate" parties going on at the same time; a birthday party for the dispatcher's 17 year old daughter and the adult holiday party where the point seemed mainly to be to get drunk (beer pong was specifically mentioned on the flyer for the party); in practice, the two merged and everybody got drunk, both the teens and the school cops.

Of course, afterwards, the school cops tried to cover up everything, and, in the end, the school district and therefore the taxpayers will have to pay lots and lots of money to the family of the victim.
 
2014-05-16 11:33:17 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: You want to blame someone, blame this guy, the drunk driver.

klas.images.worldnow.com


Wow, that is one of the douchiest looking douches I've ever seen, and I've been to a NIckleback concert.  (Covered it for my college newspaper - don't judge)

It's a tragedy he didn't die in the crash instead of subbette's friend.  I have zero sympathy for drunk drivers who hurt themselves and a vitriolic hatred for the ones who hurt others.
 
2014-05-16 11:34:28 AM  
For those of you not in the know, some large school districts have their own police to deal with disturbances on campuses, truancy, traffic control and what not.
 
2014-05-16 11:34:40 AM  

Geotpf: ameeriklane: Sorry to hear about your friend.

That's still an awfully-written article. I skimmed through the first few paragaphs and still can't figure out who crashed into the victim. I'm also assuming it was a DUI crash based on the photo -- did it actually state that in TFA?

18 year old student was drinking at a party crashed into the victim's car and killed her.  At the party was apparently the entire school police force.  It was held a police dispatcher's house.  There apparently were two "separate" parties going on at the same time; a birthday party for the dispatcher's 17 year old daughter and the adult holiday party where the point seemed mainly to be to get drunk (beer pong was specifically mentioned on the flyer for the party); in practice, the two merged and everybody got drunk, both the teens and the school cops.

Of course, afterwards, the school cops tried to cover up everything, and, in the end, the school district and therefore the taxpayers will have to pay lots and lots of money to the family of the victim.


Sounds like these are two separate cases.
The 18 year old is the sole person to blame for driving drunk and killing someone.
The cops and other adults are responsible for giving alcohol to underage people, which is a different crime.
 
2014-05-16 11:35:08 AM  

FoxKelfonne: Wait. Why does a school district have its own police force, complete with dispatchers? Couldn't they rent-a-cop from the local municipal police force?


It's not uncommon for big school districts to have their own police force.  Not all have one (some do merely work with the local city cops as you suggested), but many do.
 
2014-05-16 11:35:47 AM  

Cletus C.: Weird that a guy named Miranda is the one speaking out.


You'd think he of all people would know his rights.
 
2014-05-16 11:36:11 AM  

Begoggle: Geotpf: ameeriklane: Sorry to hear about your friend.

That's still an awfully-written article. I skimmed through the first few paragaphs and still can't figure out who crashed into the victim. I'm also assuming it was a DUI crash based on the photo -- did it actually state that in TFA?

18 year old student was drinking at a party crashed into the victim's car and killed her.  At the party was apparently the entire school police force.  It was held a police dispatcher's house.  There apparently were two "separate" parties going on at the same time; a birthday party for the dispatcher's 17 year old daughter and the adult holiday party where the point seemed mainly to be to get drunk (beer pong was specifically mentioned on the flyer for the party); in practice, the two merged and everybody got drunk, both the teens and the school cops.

Of course, afterwards, the school cops tried to cover up everything, and, in the end, the school district and therefore the taxpayers will have to pay lots and lots of money to the family of the victim.

Sounds like these are two separate cases.
The 18 year old is the sole person to blame for driving drunk and killing someone.
The cops and other adults are responsible for giving alcohol to underage people, which is a different crime.


It's not a different crime if said underage person then kills somebody.
 
2014-05-16 11:36:12 AM  
Zeb Hesselgresser: "I don't see the School District being responsible for her death"

They're probably not; the individuals who bought for minors would be responsible.
(Barring some ridiculously outlandish details along the lines of it having been a district-sanctioned event and they *told* the kid to get in his truck and go get more beer or something).

*However* the district/police would be responsible for a botched/nonexistent investigation and attempted cover-up.
Which is the issue.
 
2014-05-16 11:36:32 AM  
Let me see if I have this right. School cops throw booze-up. Underage high school student attends said booze-up and get boozed up. Underage student, drunk on booze provided by school cops, leaves the party and kills somebody. School cops then go into coverup mode, denying that underage high school student got boozed up at their booze-up.

Well, like they say, it's not the crime that gets ya, it's the cover up. And yeah, holding a 'school cop' (which hits both the "think of the children" AND "uphold the law" triggers) to a higher standard than Uncle Bobby who buys a case and doesn't mind if the teenagers sneak a couple beers out of it is definitely going to happen. Especially when you have a smart, pretty, 18 year old white girl who ends up dead.
 
2014-05-16 11:36:41 AM  

Ned Stark: Man, I came in here for some Fark Cop Hate™ but I'm not feeling it. Some (off duty?) cops were at a party a future drunk driver was also at? Who cares?


Any other time cops can't wait to get all up your ass about something,even when off duty. So now they aren't accountable for not doing their farking jobs??
 
2014-05-16 11:37:27 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: The article was very poorly written as has been pointed out. But I don't know where you got the idea they were both 24. Says clearly the victim was 18. You do realize this is a 5-year-old case, right?


I thought that it said in the video that she was a graduate student.
 
2014-05-16 11:39:22 AM  
Oh look, he can do a duck face. Bubba's gonna find him *very* pleasing in PMITA. I hope the prosecutor doesn't cut this one a deal

/Murder 2 at least
//Get him for every other thing too, even the broken tail-light.
 
2014-05-16 11:39:25 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: "I'm sure they wanted us to drop dead, dry up, and blow away. Basically, what they did with Angela. We're not going away," Angela's father Frank Peterson said

"Their employees were drinking with underage children and let them leave? And take no responsibility for this. It could happen to their children," said Linda Peterson

Your daughter was 24 years old.  She was an adult.  The driver was 24 years old.  While certainly a tragedy, I don't see the School District being responsible for her death.

You want to blame someone, blame this guy, the drunk driver.


Zeb, I'm not sure Hooked On Phonics worked for you.

-nowhere in tfa does it say the woman killed had been at the party, at any time.
-tfa does, however, say the drunk driver who killed her was an *18-year-old.*
-tfa also says the driver was a high school student.
-tfa further says that the party was hosted by and at the home of a school cop. That person is therefore legally and morally responsible for serving alcohol to a minor; and is also legally and morally responsible for the consequences of that.

Let me guess. At some point as an adult you hosted, or supplied alcohol to an underage party; or, at the very least, you believe underage drinking is no big deal and underage drinking laws are stupid. Either way, you're looking for an excuse as to why this wouldn't be the fault of the older adults who hosted and drank with the high schoolers.

That's my guess because I find it hard to believe your reading comprehension sucks this badly. So I'm chalking it up to psychic self-defense, inventing facts in your own head, at complete odds with what's stated, in order to defend previously-held beliefs.

But maybe I'm wrong. There could, in fact, be a completely different yet equally bizarre reason you mangled this so very badly.
 
2014-05-16 11:40:06 AM  

Ned Stark: Man, I came in here for some Fark Cop Hate™ but I'm not feeling it. Some (off duty?) cops were at a party a future drunk driver was also at? Who cares?


Maybe you're trolling, but police department employees organized the party and provided the alcohol for the underage drinkers, one of whom then got in his truck drunk and promptly killed another teenager. Subsequently, the employees apparently all agreed to organize a coverup.

They're farked. They're totalfarked.
 
2014-05-16 11:40:25 AM  

Ned Stark: Man, I came in here for some Fark Cop Hate™ but I'm not feeling it. Some (off duty?) cops were at a party a future drunk driver was also at? Who cares?


Off with your head. Trolls don't get to go to the Wall.
 
2014-05-16 11:41:14 AM  
it's not a different crime if said underage person then kills somebody.


Stupid
 
2014-05-16 11:41:42 AM  

AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: Zeb Hesselgresser:   You want to blame someone, blame this guy, the drunk driver.

The article was very poorly written as has been pointed out.  But I don't know where you got the idea they were both 24.  Says clearly  the victim was 18.  You do realize this is a 5-year-old case, right?


No, I didn't.  That article sucked, so I went looking for more info. and found an even less informative article that gave his age as 24.  I now realize they meant at trial/sentencing, not at the time of the accident.

Same source, local news affiliate.  Horrible.
 
2014-05-16 11:42:57 AM  

Begoggle: I'm confused.
What is a "school district" police force?
Is that like a mall cop?


Some public school systems, generally in cities, have real, state-certified police. In places with a lot of juvenile crime, they're as busy as the city cops.
 
2014-05-16 11:43:30 AM  

ringersol: Zeb Hesselgresser: "I don't see the School District being responsible for her death"

They're probably not; the individuals who bought for minors would be responsible.
(Barring some ridiculously outlandish details along the lines of it having been a district-sanctioned event and they *told* the kid to get in his truck and go get more beer or something).

*However* the district/police would be responsible for a botched/nonexistent investigation and attempted cover-up.
Which is the issue.


Flyers for the dispatcher's party were posted in school police HQ, apparently.  Whether that fact alone is enough to make in a "district sponsored event" making the district directly liable, dunno.
 
2014-05-16 11:43:33 AM  

ringersol: Zeb Hesselgresser: "I don't see the School District being responsible for her death"

They're probably not; the individuals who bought for minors would be responsible.
(Barring some ridiculously outlandish details along the lines of it having been a district-sanctioned event and they *told* the kid to get in his truck and go get more beer or something).

*However* the district/police would be responsible for a botched/nonexistent investigation and attempted cover-up.
Which is the issue.


Why would a school district police force have anything to do with the investigation?  Why would a school district be responsible for anything that happens outside the school property?
 
2014-05-16 11:48:55 AM  

BubbaWilkins: ringersol: Zeb Hesselgresser: "I don't see the School District being responsible for her death"

They're probably not; the individuals who bought for minors would be responsible.
(Barring some ridiculously outlandish details along the lines of it having been a district-sanctioned event and they *told* the kid to get in his truck and go get more beer or something).

*However* the district/police would be responsible for a botched/nonexistent investigation and attempted cover-up.
Which is the issue.

Why would a school district police force have anything to do with the investigation?  Why would a school district be responsible for anything that happens outside the school property?


The people being investigated are school district cops, so their internal affairs folks would be involved.
 
2014-05-16 11:49:15 AM  

brimed03: -tfa further says that the party was hosted by and at the home of a school cop. That person is therefore legally and morally responsible for serving alcohol to a minor; and is also legally and morally responsible for the consequences of that.


oh get over yourself.
 
2014-05-16 11:50:23 AM  

FoxKelfonne: Wait. Why does a school district have its own police force, complete with dispatchers? Couldn't they rent-a-cop from the local municipal police force?


The Clark County School District is the 6th largest school district in the United States. There are well over 300,000 students. That's why they need their own police force.
 
2014-05-16 11:51:08 AM  

Geoff Peterson: Cletus C.: Weird that a guy named Miranda is the one speaking out.

yeah thats the guy who killed the girl, but is blaming it on everyone else, naturally.

Personal responsibility, how does it farking work?? You did the crime, now do the farking time, you cocksucking pussy.


My guess is it was a plea deal, thus a reduced sentence for him to roll on some bad cops.
 
2014-05-16 11:51:42 AM  
A drunk driver was killed... What's the issue?
 
2014-05-16 11:52:32 AM  

Geoff Peterson: brimed03: -tfa further says that the party was hosted by and at the home of a school cop. That person is therefore legally and morally responsible for serving alcohol to a minor; and is also legally and morally responsible for the consequences of that.

oh get over yourself.


Well, one could argue about the moral aspect here (I personally think it's silly that 18 year olds can vote, sign contracts, join the army, view and star in porn, and buy cigarettes, but not drink booze), but there certainly is legal liability.
 
2014-05-16 11:52:37 AM  

BubbaWilkins: ringersol: Zeb Hesselgresser: "I don't see the School District being responsible for her death"

They're probably not; the individuals who bought for minors would be responsible.
(Barring some ridiculously outlandish details along the lines of it having been a district-sanctioned event and they *told* the kid to get in his truck and go get more beer or something).

*However* the district/police would be responsible for a botched/nonexistent investigation and attempted cover-up.
Which is the issue.

Why would a school district police force have anything to do with the investigation?  Why would a school district be responsible for anything that happens outside the school property?


That's a good question.  And probably why this whole thing has taken 5+ years and still isn't sorted out.  My guess is, the guilty party doesn't have two nickels to rub together so the lawyers for the girl who was killed are trying to make a connection between the school district (deep pockets at taxpayer expense) and the beer-bash for what else ... The $$$$.  It's ALL tragic.  And I'm truly sorry for your loss, Subby.
 
2014-05-16 11:53:28 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: A drunk driver was killed... What's the issue?


The drunk driver lived (and went to jail).  Random girl was killed when drunk driver ran into her car.
 
2014-05-16 11:53:41 AM  

BubbaWilkins: ringersol: Zeb Hesselgresser: "I don't see the School District being responsible for her death"

They're probably not; the individuals who bought for minors would be responsible.
(Barring some ridiculously outlandish details along the lines of it having been a district-sanctioned event and they *told* the kid to get in his truck and go get more beer or something).

*However* the district/police would be responsible for a botched/nonexistent investigation and attempted cover-up.
Which is the issue.

Why would a school district police force have anything to do with the investigation?  Why would a school district be responsible for anything that happens outside the school property?


Because this was at the home of a school district police dispatcher, with alcohol allegedly supplied by a school district cop.
 
2014-05-16 11:59:23 AM  

Begoggle: Geotpf: ameeriklane: Sorry to hear about your friend.

That's still an awfully-written article. I skimmed through the first few paragaphs and still can't figure out who crashed into the victim. I'm also assuming it was a DUI crash based on the photo -- did it actually state that in TFA?

18 year old student was drinking at a party crashed into the victim's car and killed her.  At the party was apparently the entire school police force.  It was held a police dispatcher's house.  There apparently were two "separate" parties going on at the same time; a birthday party for the dispatcher's 17 year old daughter and the adult holiday party where the point seemed mainly to be to get drunk (beer pong was specifically mentioned on the flyer for the party); in practice, the two merged and everybody got drunk, both the teens and the school cops.

Of course, afterwards, the school cops tried to cover up everything, and, in the end, the school district and therefore the taxpayers will have to pay lots and lots of money to the family of the victim.

Sounds like these are two separate cases.
The 18 year old is the sole person to blame for driving drunk and killing someone.
The cops and other adults are responsible for giving alcohol to underage people, which is a different crime.


Farker-to-Farker advice: in the event that you ever throw a party with anyone of any age present, you really, really had better look up your state's Social Hosting laws.

In NJ, for example, you can be held legally liable for the actions of any one who drinks at your party, leaves, and gets hurt or hurts someone else. That means if they kill someone while driving drunk, you can be sued and you will lose. If they trip and crack their own skull open, they can sue you, and you will lose.

And if someone shows up to your party already drunk, and you let them in but don't let them drink, the onus is on you to prove that you didn't let them drink... good luck with that.

You don't have to like these laws. You don't gave to agree with them. But they are the laws on the books and you can be beggared by them.

And as a more typical Fark comment response: your opinion is bad and you should feel bad. Absolutely the older adults should be held responsible for the consequences of giving alcohol to someone too young to make good decisions about it. And in terms of the physical development of the parts of the brain involving higher decision-making functions, an average 18-year-old is not yet ready to make good decisions. It's just science, biatches.
 
2014-05-16 12:02:08 PM  
Shocked!!

ww2.hdnux.com
 
2014-05-16 12:02:18 PM  

Geotpf: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: A drunk driver was killed... What's the issue?

The drunk driver lived (and went to jail).  Random girl was killed when drunk driver ran into her car.


Oh. Damn, that's farking horrible.
 
2014-05-16 12:02:22 PM  

Cletus C.: Weird that a guy named Miranda is the one speaking out.


He recently read his Gideon bible, became full of Dred and the Wade upon his conscience forced him to speak out.
 
2014-05-16 12:02:59 PM  
Holy shiat! It's rare to find a Fark thread with so much stoopid shiat in it.
 
2014-05-16 12:04:29 PM  

Begoggle: Sounds like these are two separate cases.
The 18 year old is the sole person to blame for driving drunk and killing someone.
The cops and other adults are responsible for giving alcohol to underage people, which is a different crime.


You might want to do some reading on the concepts of Proximate Cause and Ultimate Cause as they relate to legal liability for personal loss and injury
 
2014-05-16 12:06:03 PM  
The driver, 18-year-old Kevin Miranda, had been boozing it up for hours

...Miranda who says he was drinking along with adults at the party, but no one tried to stop him when he left to get in his truck


So it's the school cops fault because no high school kid has ever heard that drunk driving is dangerous.  The source of the alcohol is fairly irrelevant because school kids will get booze one way or another.

Throw this asshole in PMITA prison, he is solely to blame.
 
2014-05-16 12:07:45 PM  
And as a more typical Fark comment response: your opinion is bad and you should feel bad. Absolutely the older adults should be held responsible for the consequences of giving alcohol to someone too young to make good decisions about it. And in terms of the physical development of the parts of the brain involving higher decision-making functions, an average 18-year-old is not yet ready to make good decisions. It's just science, biatches.


Your last idiotic comment has saved me a lot of trouble mocking the rest of your silly opinion.
 
2014-05-16 12:08:01 PM  
www.codeodor.com
SCHOOL DISTRICT BAD!
 
2014-05-16 12:09:42 PM  
I just moved to Vegas in November. The drivers here are insane. I have seen more accidents in 7 months than I have seen in 15 years of driving. And been almost clobbered many times.
 
2014-05-16 12:10:16 PM  

kindms: well the school district that basically had nothing to do with this incident are getting shafted because they are the target with deep pockets.

The lady who threw the party doesn't have any money, the kid that actually killed their daughter doesn't have any money but the school district does, so lets see how we can rope them in to get paid.

the school district had nothing to do with no one at a private party stopping a teenager from driving drunk.


Actually, as employers of the woman who threw the party, and of the other cops who attended it, the school may very well be liable. The school has a responsibility to take reasonable measures to ensure that its employees are not fraternizing with students.

If the district has taken reasonable measures, then the employees are guilty of gross negligence and probably the district could sue them to recoup the costs of representing them... not that they'd ever collect much.

IMHO, it's unlikely that the administration hadn't heard something about the cops and kids partying. If they didn't take lengthy measures to put a stop to it, then they are liable.
 
2014-05-16 12:15:26 PM  

KatjaMouse: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: The article was very poorly written as has been pointed out. But I don't know where you got the idea they were both 24. Says clearly the victim was 18. You do realize this is a 5-year-old case, right?

I thought that it said in the video that she was a graduate student.


Said that in tfa too. Some folks are claiming it was a poorly-written article but I think it's the usual "skim tfa and run to post" effect. It says right there that she was a 24-yr-old grad student. It *doesn't* say she was ever at the party, which is another false claim being made ITT.
 
2014-05-16 12:16:07 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Geotpf: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: A drunk driver was killed... What's the issue?

The drunk driver lived (and went to jail).  Random girl was killed when drunk driver ran into her car.

Oh. Damn, that's farking horrible.


And the fact that the school's lawyers told the cops to not do an investigation, on top of all the cops at the party, that happened to be held at their dispatcher's house, suddenly playing dumb and claiming they didn't see nuthin, and so on...

Something tells me they're going to need a new police force when this one gets done hitting the fan...
 
2014-05-16 12:17:01 PM  

KidneyStone: So it's the school cops fault because no high school kid has ever heard that drunk driving is dangerous.  The source of the alcohol is fairly irrelevant because school kids will get booze one way or another.

Throw this asshole in PMITA prison, he is solely to blame.


If I know full well that someone is about to shoot up a school and I lend him my gun for that purpose, I think it's unlikely that I'm going to be off the hook just because he could have gotten a gun somewhere else.

When you've got a kid at a party and you're providing him with alcohol, not only is that, itself, a crime, but you know full well what he's about to do with it, and police employees at the party, according to the kid himself, knew he was going to drive and made no effort to discourage him.

That said, it's the cover-up and apparent intimidation of other police employees to encourage them to lie in their testimony that makes it so bad. If it weren't for that, I'd think they were just a bunch of halfwits and  Reno 911! is a documentary. Now it's malicious and evil.
 
2014-05-16 12:18:15 PM  

brimed03: Zeb Hesselgresser: "I'm sure they wanted us to drop dead, dry up, and blow away. Basically, what they did with Angela. We're not going away," Angela's father Frank Peterson said

"Their employees were drinking with underage children and let them leave? And take no responsibility for this. It could happen to their children," said Linda Peterson

Your daughter was 24 years old.  She was an adult.  The driver was 24 years old.  While certainly a tragedy, I don't see the School District being responsible for her death.

You want to blame someone, blame this guy, the drunk driver.

Zeb, I'm not sure Hooked On Phonics worked for you.

-nowhere in tfa does it say the woman killed had been at the party, at any time.
-tfa does, however, say the drunk driver who killed her was an *18-year-old.*
-tfa also says the driver was a high school student.
-tfa further says that the party was hosted by and at the home of a school cop. That person is therefore legally and morally responsible for serving alcohol to a minor; and is also legally and morally responsible for the consequences of that.

Let me guess. At some point as an adult you hosted, or supplied alcohol to an underage party; or, at the very least, you believe underage drinking is no big deal and underage drinking laws are stupid. Either way, you're looking for an excuse as to why this wouldn't be the fault of the older adults who hosted and drank with the high schoolers.

That's my guess because I find it hard to believe your reading comprehension sucks this badly. So I'm chalking it up to psychic self-defense, inventing facts in your own head, at complete odds with what's stated, in order to defend previously-held beliefs.

But maybe I'm wrong. There could, in fact, be a completely different yet equally bizarre reason you mangled this so very badly.

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"nowhere in tfa does it say the woman killed had been at the party, at any time."

I never said she was at the party.  I got his age wrong, from another poorly written article.
 

"Either way, you're looking for an excuse as to why this wouldn't be the fault of the older adults who hosted and drank with the high schoolers."

I said "I don't see the school district being responsible", the idiots that threw the party, them I never mentioned.

 I've got a reading comprehension problem? You surrendered to your pedantic side and lost your way.
 
2014-05-16 12:19:04 PM  

Geoff Peterson: brimed03: -tfa further says that the party was hosted by and at the home of a school cop. That person is therefore legally and morally responsible for serving alcohol to a minor; and is also legally and morally responsible for the consequences of that.

oh get over yourself.


Oh right, I hadn't thought of that.
 
2014-05-16 12:19:18 PM  
I'm sorry you lost your friend.
 
2014-05-16 12:23:38 PM  

EbolaNYC: Ned Stark: Man, I came in here for some Fark Cop Hate™ but I'm not feeling it. Some (off duty?) cops were at a party a future drunk driver was also at? Who cares?

Any other time cops can't wait to get all up your ass about something,even when off duty. So now they aren't accountable for not doing their farking jobs??


Being generally against up in our asses getting, why should I saith sides and demand that habitual ass getters be punished for a moment of lucidity? Simple bitterness? Seems self destructive.
 
2014-05-16 12:23:47 PM  

KidneyStone: The source of the alcohol is fairly irrelevant because school kids will get booze one way or another.

Throw this asshole in PMITA prison, he is solely to blame.


I don't think the law would agree with you. Furnishing a minor with alcohol makes you responsible. In many places, if you sell to someone who is visibly intoxicated already, and they kill someone with their car you can be held responsible, even if that person is of legal drinking-age.
 
2014-05-16 12:24:44 PM  

freewill: Ned Stark: Man, I came in here for some Fark Cop Hate™ but I'm not feeling it. Some (off duty?) cops were at a party a future drunk driver was also at? Who cares?

Maybe you're trolling, but police department employees organized the party and provided the alcohol for the underage drinkers, one of whom then got in his truck drunk and promptly killed another teenager. Subsequently, the employees apparently all agreed to organize a coverup.

They're farked. They're totalfarked.


Youngest person arrive mentions is 18. That's old enough that its his fault.
 
2014-05-16 12:26:20 PM  

doubled99: And as a more typical Fark comment response: your opinion is bad and you should feel bad. Absolutely the older adults should be held responsible for the consequences of giving alcohol to someone too young to make good decisions about it. And in terms of the physical development of the parts of the brain involving higher decision-making functions, an average 18-year-old is not yet ready to make good decisions. It's just science, biatches.


Your last idiotic comment has saved me a lot of trouble mocking the rest of your silly opinion.


Meaning you don't believe in science? Try reading up on cognitive development. Or you can just continue to spout uninformed dismissives. Yeah, that's probably easier. By chance, do you believe in Creationism?
 
2014-05-16 12:30:38 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: brimed03: Zeb Hesselgresser: "I'm sure they wanted us to drop dead, dry up, and blow away. Basically, what they did with Angela. We're not going away," Angela's father Frank Peterson said

"Their employees were drinking with underage children and let them leave? And take no responsibility for this. It could happen to their children," said Linda Peterson

Your daughter was 24 years old.  She was an adult.  The driver was 24 years old.  While certainly a tragedy, I don't see the School District being responsible for her death.

You want to blame someone, blame this guy, the drunk driver.

Zeb, I'm not sure Hooked On Phonics worked for you.

-nowhere in tfa does it say the woman killed had been at the party, at any time.
-tfa does, however, say the drunk driver who killed her was an *18-year-old.*
-tfa also says the driver was a high school student.
-tfa further says that the party was hosted by and at the home of a school cop. That person is therefore legally and morally responsible for serving alcohol to a minor; and is also legally and morally responsible for the consequences of that.

Let me guess. At some point as an adult you hosted, or supplied alcohol to an underage party; or, at the very least, you believe underage drinking is no big deal and underage drinking laws are stupid. Either way, you're looking for an excuse as to why this wouldn't be the fault of the older adults who hosted and drank with the high schoolers.

That's my guess because I find it hard to believe your reading comprehension sucks this badly. So I'm chalking it up to psychic self-defense, inventing facts in your own head, at complete odds with what's stated, in order to defend previously-held beliefs.

But maybe I'm wrong. There could, in fact, be a completely different yet equally bizarre reason you mangled this so very badly.
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"nowhere in tfa does it say the woman killed had been at the party, at any time."

I never said she was at the party.  I got his age wrong, from another poorly written article.
 

"Either way, you're looking for an excuse as to why this wouldn't be the fault of the older adults who hosted and drank with the high schoolers."

I said "I don't see the school district being responsible", the idiots that threw the party, them I never mentioned.

 I've got a reading comprehension problem? You surrendered to your pedantic side and lost your way.


So you've just admitted that you read TWO articles badly... and yet claim that you're not the one with reading comprehension issues.

OK.
 
2014-05-16 12:30:53 PM  
"When you talk about the party and who was at the party, everybody dumbs down. Nobody saw anything. They were all in a groups talking together during the party, but when you ask them all individually, they were all facing the wall. They were all lined up at a party facing the wall," Cook said.

One can only hope that's the position they'll take when the time comes to mete out their punishment.
 
2014-05-16 12:31:55 PM  
Meaning you don't believe in science? Try reading up on cognitive development. Or you can just continue to spout uninformed dismissives. Yeah, that's probably easier. By chance, do you believe in Creationism?

Don't worry, man. You'll be cool and popular when you get to college!
 
2014-05-16 12:35:41 PM  

Geotpf: Geoff Peterson: brimed03: -tfa further says that the party was hosted by and at the home of a school cop. That person is therefore legally and morally responsible for serving alcohol to a minor; and is also legally and morally responsible for the consequences of that.

oh get over yourself.

Well, one could argue about the moral aspect here (I personally think it's silly that 18 year olds can vote, sign contracts, join the army, view and star in porn, and buy cigarettes, but not drink booze), but there certainly is legal liability.


you and I are on the same page, sir. I'm not sure about being responsible for an 18 yr old, though. If he was 16 that would be one thing...
 
2014-05-16 12:38:34 PM  

brimed03: Geoff Peterson: brimed03: -tfa further says that the party was hosted by and at the home of a school cop. That person is therefore legally and morally responsible for serving alcohol to a minor; and is also legally and morally responsible for the consequences of that.

oh get over yourself.

Oh right, I hadn't thought of that.


you should.
 
2014-05-16 12:41:05 PM  
WTF is a "school cop"? Is that a cop or a security guard?
 
2014-05-16 12:54:59 PM  

IlGreven: BubbaWilkins: ringersol: Zeb Hesselgresser: "I don't see the School District being responsible for her death"

They're probably not; the individuals who bought for minors would be responsible.
(Barring some ridiculously outlandish details along the lines of it having been a district-sanctioned event and they *told* the kid to get in his truck and go get more beer or something).

*However* the district/police would be responsible for a botched/nonexistent investigation and attempted cover-up.
Which is the issue.

Why would a school district police force have anything to do with the investigation?  Why would a school district be responsible for anything that happens outside the school property?

Because this was at the home of a school district police dispatcher, with alcohol allegedly supplied by a school district cop.


Which means it's not the school police's jurisdiction.  There should be a DA and local law enforcement all over this.
 
2014-05-16 12:55:31 PM  

ameeriklane: Sorry to hear about your friend.

That's still an awfully-written article.


FTFA:  The driver, 18-year-old Kevin Miranda, had been boozing it up for hours at a party in the home of police dispatcher Rebecca Wamsley.

No kidding. What sort of journalist uses the phrase "boozing it up"?
 
2014-05-16 12:58:02 PM  

LazyMedia: The people being investigated are school district cops, so their internal affairs folks would be involved.


And it will be handled.
Internally.
 
2014-05-16 01:12:21 PM  

brimed03: KatjaMouse: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe: The article was very poorly written as has been pointed out. But I don't know where you got the idea they were both 24. Says clearly the victim was 18. You do realize this is a 5-year-old case, right?

I thought that it said in the video that she was a graduate student.

Said that in tfa too. Some folks are claiming it was a poorly-written article but I think it's the usual "skim tfa and run to post" effect. It says right there that she was a 24-yr-old grad student. It *doesn't* say she was ever at the party, which is another false claim being made ITT.


It says she was 24-year-old grad student in the article?  Copy and paste it for me, because I don't see it and I just read it again.  Not that it really matters, I guess.
 
2014-05-16 01:14:38 PM  
Once again it is the 97% of bad cops and the cops who cover things up for them that make the remaining 3% look bad.

Bad apple!
One time event!
Thin blue line!
 
2014-05-16 01:18:25 PM  
AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe:It says she was 24-year-old grad student in the article?  Copy and paste it for me, because I don't see it and I just read it again.  Not that it really matters, I guess.

Cook thinks the video is not only in poor taste but drips with irony because of testimony he has gathered in preparation for a federal court lawsuit against the school district and several employees for the role they played in the Nov. 2009 death of Angela Peterson, an honors grad student killed by a drunk driver

How's that?
 
2014-05-16 01:28:10 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-05-16 01:28:20 PM  

kindms: well the school district that basically had nothing to do with this incident are getting shafted because they are the target with deep pockets.

The lady who threw the party doesn't have any money, the kid that actually killed their daughter doesn't have any money but the school district does, so lets see how we can rope them in to get paid.

the school district had nothing to do with no one at a private party stopping a teenager from driving drunk.


Sorry, if you are an adult authority figure in the presence of underage drinking you are obligated to do something. That something does NOT include playing beer pong with them.

I agree the adult who threw the party is at least as guilty, but the evidence at hand is that the cop played beer pong with an underage drinker. I think it is reasonable to punish that and unreasonable to cover it up.
 
2014-05-16 01:29:17 PM  

hornblowerfan: I just moved to Vegas in November. The drivers here are insane. I have seen more accidents in 7 months than I have seen in 15 years of driving. And been almost clobbered many times.


Avoid I-15 if at all possible, and you'll survive. Between the drunk lost tourists and impatient locals, mostly transplants from all over, this city has the worst drivers I've ever seen (lived here 11 years now, only two accidents, one of which was my fault.)

And the cops are among the worst drivers (along with cab drivers and real estate agents.)
 
2014-05-16 01:36:49 PM  

IlGreven: Geoff Peterson: Cletus C.: Weird that a guy named Miranda is the one speaking out.

yeah thats the guy who killed the girl, but is blaming it on everyone else, naturally.

Personal responsibility, how does it farking work?? You did the crime, now do the farking time, you cocksucking pussy.

My guess is it was a plea deal, thus a reduced sentence for him to roll on some bad cops.


"Where did you all get the booze." seems like a very important point to the investigation. Driver is going away for a loooooooong time but the DA needs to know exactly how and why this happened or why this was able to happen.

It's just the right way to go about a case like this just like all underage drinking issues. DA is just doing their job and after uncovering all the BS you GOTTA call the Feds in, amirite?
 
2014-05-16 01:53:26 PM  
Subby, I'm sorry about the death of your friend.  Hopefully, the cops and other adults that allowed this to happen will be held responsible to the fullest extent of the law.

As an aside, anyone actually watch the video that went with this story?

The female news anchor also appears on CSI, as, appropriately enough, a local news anchor, when they have story lines that need a television reporter.
 
2014-05-16 02:29:39 PM  

brimed03: Try reading up on cognitive development. Or you can just continue to spout uninformed dismissives.


Unfortunately, there are a lot of statistics from countries with lower drinking ages that are problematic for your argument.  It turns out that arbitrarily redefining increasingly-older people as "children" doesn't actually raise a society's overall level of maturity.

Yeah, that's probably easier. By chance, do you believe in Creationism?

yourenothelping.jpg
 
2014-05-16 03:20:50 PM  

Arcturus72: AllYourFarkAreBelongToMe:It says she was 24-year-old grad student in the article?  Copy and paste it for me, because I don't see it and I just read it again.  Not that it really matters, I guess.

Cook thinks the video is not only in poor taste but drips with irony because of testimony he has gathered in preparation for a federal court lawsuit against the school district and several employees for the role they played in the Nov. 2009 death of Angela Peterson, an honors grad student killed by a drunk driver.

How's that?


Are you ignorant or stupid?  My daughter was a grad stent at 19.  I asked where in the article it says the victim was 24 years old?  Mighta been in the video, I dunno.  Didn't watch it.  But it doesn't say it anywhere in the ARTICLE.

How's that?
 
2014-05-16 03:22:30 PM  
*student ... And it was correct when I previewed it.
 
2014-05-16 03:43:28 PM  
Sorry about your loss. All my best to you, her friends and family.
 
2014-05-16 03:46:33 PM  
Really sorry to hear about your friend, subby.


FTA: A federal judge has already ruled that the cap on damages that would normally apply to a government entity being sued does not apply in this case. It will be up to a jury to make that call.

www.abload.de
 
2014-05-16 03:54:36 PM  

SpectroBoy: kindms: well the school district that basically had nothing to do with this incident are getting shafted because they are the target with deep pockets.

The lady who threw the party doesn't have any money, the kid that actually killed their daughter doesn't have any money but the school district does, so lets see how we can rope them in to get paid.

the school district had nothing to do with no one at a private party stopping a teenager from driving drunk.

Sorry, if you are an adult authority figure in the presence of underage drinking you are obligated to do something. That something does NOT include playing beer pong with them.

I agree the adult who threw the party is at least as guilty, but the evidence at hand is that the cop played beer pong with an underage drinker. I think it is reasonable to punish that and unreasonable to cover it up.


I see the fark legal brigade showed up.

Are the employees of the district acting as agents of the district at the time of incident?

What are the obligations of the LEOs involved considering a) whether or not they were off-duty or acting as agents of the district; b) what was the intensity of the "crime" witnessed (felony/misdemeanor/etc); and c) whether or not they were within jurisdiction.

I would think an off-duty LEO, out of jurisdiction, witnessing a misdemeanor or less, is not only NOT obligated to do anything, but may be illegal for him to try to do anything (such as detain) because he'd be acting as a citizen, not a LEO.

At that point, the district is most assuredly not responsible for anything.  The parental individuals hosting the party my be contributory responsible.
 
2014-05-16 04:01:06 PM  
The police who host lose the most.  I hope...
 
2014-05-16 04:08:58 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Your daughter was 24 years old. She was an adult. The driver was 24 years old.


Have you been drinking with some campus cops?

The story very clearly states that the driver was 18.

freewill: Subsequently, the employees apparently all agreed to organize a coverup.


It appears to be worse than that.  According to TFA, the school district's attorneys TOLD them to cover it up.

Zeb Hesselgresser: I said "I don't see the school district being responsible


Well, except for that whole 'school district lawyers telling the PD to look the other way' thing.
 
2014-05-16 04:11:07 PM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: "I'm sure they wanted us to drop dead, dry up, and blow away. Basically, what they did with Angela. We're not going away," Angela's father Frank Peterson said

"Their employees were drinking with underage children and let them leave? And take no responsibility for this. It could happen to their children," said Linda Peterson

Your daughter was 24 years old.  She was an adult.  The driver was 24 years old.  While certainly a tragedy, I don't see the School District being responsible for her death.

You want to blame someone, blame this guy, the drunk driver.

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THIS!

 
2014-05-16 04:15:33 PM  

JustGetItRight: It appears to be worse than that.  According to TFA, the school district's attorneys TOLD them to cover it up.


Not being a lawyer, I'm willing to entertain the possibility that they were genuinely trying to keep their department out of a matter they thought belonged with municipal law enforcement.

Entertain. If that's wrong, fark them all with cricket bat, too.
 
2014-05-16 06:45:25 PM  

baorao: WTF is a "school cop"? Is that a cop or a security guard?


They are police. The CCSD is so large that they need their own police force.
 
2014-05-16 07:20:54 PM  

SpectroBoy: Sorry, if you are an adult authority figure in the presence of underage drinking you are obligated to do something.


Sure, if you can explain to me what authority one adult has over another when outside a structured environment such as school or a place of business.

Because 18 is adult.  I know you Americans like to keep calling people "kids" until they're about 30, especially when they're guilty of doing something criminal and/or moronic, but he wasn't a kid, he was an adult.  Most of you support lowering the drinking age to 18, but now suddenly it's convenient for you that an 18 year old can't possibly be responsible for his actions around alcohol?

These "cops" (who were at someone else's house) were not in loco parentis.  If you're at a party at a friend's house, and you see an 18 year old there drinking, do you stop them, do you ask them to leave?  And if you say nothing, and they drive home and kill someone, are you criminally or civilly responsible for that?

The person whose home it was (Rebecca Wamsley) was guilty.  She organised an adult party for her workmates, and a birthday party for her 17-year-old daughter to occur at the same time.  She did this intentionally.  She provided the alcohol.  She should have kicked out anyone drinking under-age (assuming they weren't already drunk when they showed up).  It was her responsibility and no one else's to do that.  The other guests are not responsible for her actions or in-action in her home.  Her insurance company already stumped up a big old wad of cash.

A bunch of people realised that they were (unfairly) going to be held responsible for someone else's actions, and went into butt-covering mode.  Since it wasn't their fault in the first place, I have a hard time believing they should be punished, even though they did try to cover up the fact that they OH NO went to a party at a colleague's house on the understanding it was a party for adults, and then didn't feel brave enough to speak up to the host about what she was allowing the kids to do.  Even the person "brave" enough to stand up and say she saw kids drinking wasn't "brave" enough to do that.  No, she stayed at the party for hours watching the kids drink, thinking it was wrong and terrible and that the cops should be there and she did nothing.  Not a very brave woman, really.
 
2014-05-16 07:43:30 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Damnit! As a Vegas resident, I'm getting sick of my tax dollars being diverted to lawsuit pay-outs, so cops can act like assholes.


I can well understand the pain.  Yes, the victim was wronged.  However the perpetrator gets a slap on the wrist, the government agency either gets more funding or 'sucks it up' by being  even more horrible at their job,and the taxpayers are on the hook for something that's only extremely marginally their fault in the sense that they elected somebody who hired somebody who hired somebody else who ran the hiring/training process for the organization, etc...

Personally,  I think that employees need to be less shielded on average, not more.  Make screw-ups like this personally painful.
 
2014-05-16 07:46:31 PM  
The innocent have been punished, the guilty will be protected

/obscure?
 
2014-05-16 11:41:03 PM  

if_i_really_have_to: SpectroBoy: Sorry, if you are an adult authority figure in the presence of underage drinking you are obligated to do something.

Sure, if you can explain to me what authority one adult has over another when outside a structured environment such as school or a place of business.

Because 18 is adult.  I know you Americans like to keep calling people "kids" until they're about 30, especially when they're guilty of doing something criminal and/or moronic, but he wasn't a kid, he was an adult.  Most of you support lowering the drinking age to 18, but now suddenly it's convenient for you that an 18 year old can't possibly be responsible for his actions around alcohol?

These "cops" (who were at someone else's house) were not in loco parentis.  If you're at a party at a friend's house, and you see an 18 year old there drinking, do you stop them, do you ask them to leave?  And if you say nothing, and they drive home and kill someone, are you criminally or civilly responsible for that?

The person whose home it was (Rebecca Wamsley) was guilty.  She organised an adult party for her workmates, and a birthday party for her 17-year-old daughter to occur at the same time.  She did this intentionally.  She provided the alcohol.  She should have kicked out anyone drinking under-age (assuming they weren't already drunk when they showed up).  It was her responsibility and no one else's to do that.  The other guests are not responsible for her actions or in-action in her home.  Her insurance company already stumped up a big old wad of cash.

A bunch of people realised that they were (unfairly) going to be held responsible for someone else's actions, and went into butt-covering mode.  Since it wasn't their fault in the first place, I have a hard time believing they should be punished, even though they did try to cover up the fact that they OH NO went to a party at a colleague's house on the understanding it was a party for adults, and then didn't feel brave enough to speak up to the ...


According to TFA, it was one of these cops who provided the alcohol to the minors, and was drinking with them- playing beer pong.

Would you contend that if you bring alcohol to a party hosted by someone else and provide it to minors at that party that the host of the party, and not yourself, would be responsible for that, and for any resultant situation?
 
2014-05-17 02:00:00 AM  

brimed03: Begoggle: Geotpf: ameeriklane: Sorry to hear about your friend.

That's still an awfully-written article. I skimmed through the first few paragaphs and still can't figure out who crashed into the victim. I'm also assuming it was a DUI crash based on the photo -- did it actually state that in TFA?

18 year old student was drinking at a party crashed into the victim's car and killed her.  At the party was apparently the entire school police force.  It was held a police dispatcher's house.  There apparently were two "separate" parties going on at the same time; a birthday party for the dispatcher's 17 year old daughter and the adult holiday party where the point seemed mainly to be to get drunk (beer pong was specifically mentioned on the flyer for the party); in practice, the two merged and everybody got drunk, both the teens and the school cops.

Of course, afterwards, the school cops tried to cover up everything, and, in the end, the school district and therefore the taxpayers will have to pay lots and lots of money to the family of the victim.

Sounds like these are two separate cases.
The 18 year old is the sole person to blame for driving drunk and killing someone.
The cops and other adults are responsible for giving alcohol to underage people, which is a different crime.

Farker-to-Farker advice: in the event that you ever throw a party with anyone of any age present, you really, really had better look up your state's Social Hosting laws.

In NJ, for example, you can be held legally liable for the actions of any one who drinks at your party, leaves, and gets hurt or hurts someone else. That means if they kill someone while driving drunk, you can be sued and you will lose. If they trip and crack their own skull open, they can sue you, and you will lose.

And if someone shows up to your party already drunk, and you let them in but don't let them drink, the onus is on you to prove that you didn't let them drink... good luck with that.

You don't have to like the ...


No, I don't have to like them, but the laws do have to be in the state where the incident occurred.
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2014-05-17 03:05:20 AM  
oink, oink.
 
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