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(Mother Nature Network)   Scientists admit defeat, search for heat-resistant breeds of chickens to withstand climate change   (mnn.com ) divider line
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693 clicks; posted to Geek » on 16 May 2014 at 7:20 AM (2 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2014-05-15 11:56:09 PM  
Nerds dream of hot chicks?
 
2014-05-16 12:00:54 AM  
Seems pragmatic to me.
 
2014-05-16 01:54:32 AM  
Then how can I cook them?
 
2014-05-16 07:39:02 AM  
So someone out there seems to think that a chicken can't stand a 5 degree temp swing? Also, I though we were off Global "Warming" and on to Climate Change. Has anyone thought to find a chicken that can live in less rain or more or in an area that gets hail more often or less or how about a chicken that deal with getting fewer tornadoes, but the tornadoes that they do experience are all F5 (finger of god, man) in size?

These fools! Don't they know the new talking points!
 
2014-05-16 07:39:05 AM  
Thanks, Taxbongo.
 
2014-05-16 07:44:04 AM  
jaybeezey: So someone out there seems to think that a chicken can't stand a 5 degree temp swing? Also, I though we were off Global "Warming" and on to Climate Change. Has anyone thought to find a chicken that can live in less rain or more or in an area that gets hail more often or less or how about a chicken that deal with getting fewer tornadoes, but the tornadoes that they do experience are all F5 (finger of god, man) in size?

These fools! Don't they know the new talking points!
 DERPDERPDERP

We know, sweetie. Rush Limbaugh knows WAYYYYYYY more about the climate than those stupid scientist guys. Definitely he's the one you should listen to.
 
2014-05-16 07:57:51 AM  
Benghazi enthusiasts everywhere are on the edge of their seats.
 
2014-05-16 09:28:37 AM  
So will the chickens be able to withstand a flamethrower?
 
2014-05-16 09:39:04 AM  

jaybeezey: So someone out there seems to think that a chicken can't stand a 5 degree temp swing? Also, I though we were off Global "Warming" and on to Climate Change. Has anyone thought to find a chicken that can live in less rain or more or in an area that gets hail more often or less or how about a chicken that deal with getting fewer tornadoes, but the tornadoes that they do experience are all F5 (finger of god, man) in size?

These fools! Don't they know the new talking points!


I see that the chickens will never be able to withstand the friction burns from right wingers.
 
2014-05-16 09:42:06 AM  
I thought friction burns were more than +5 degrees.
 
2014-05-16 10:34:06 AM  

jaybeezey: Also, I though we were off Global "Warming" and on to Climate Change.


Well, if you don't understand that those two terms refer to two differing phenomena and both have been used in the scientific literature for the last 40 years then perhaps you should explore what other faults exist in your "thoughts."
 
2014-05-16 10:40:00 AM  

lawboy87: perhaps you should explore what other faults exist in your "thoughts."


Good luck getting that one to happen.
 
2014-05-16 11:03:42 AM  

jaybeezey: So someone out there seems to think that a chicken can't stand a 5 degree temp swing?


Yes.  Farmers who collectively have billions of dollars on the line are treating this like a real problem.

So are insurance companies.

So is the US Department of Defense.

They're all capable of reading what scientists are telling them.  See also here.

And then there's you.
 
2014-05-16 11:24:51 AM  
This is stupid.  Chickens are raised everywhere in this country from Kansas City to Phoenix, in a much wider range of temperatures that even run away "Global Warming" would create.
 
2014-05-16 11:53:06 AM  
I hope my chicken submission goes through so we can have a true chicken trifecta!
 
2014-05-16 01:37:10 PM  
DontMakeMeComeBackThere

This is stupid. Chickens are raised everywhere in this country from Kansas City to Phoenix, in a much wider range of temperatures that even run away "Global Warming" would create.

Shhh stop confusing the cultists with science.
 
2014-05-16 02:32:43 PM  
Like I said, it's too late - we can't stop it, so we hope to at least mitigate some of the resulting harm. It's not "defeat," just "resignation." This is just the beginning.
 
2014-05-16 04:53:35 PM  
Its stories like this that make more people doubt climate change.

Wiki suggests chickens were domesticated 6000 years ago.  Here is a temp graph for the last 10k years:

jonova.s3.amazonaws.com

It looks like they have survived higher temps on their own.  With selective breeding they should have no problems for another 100 years.  By then we should be able to manipulate their DNA directly for heat tolerance.
 
2014-05-16 05:53:39 PM  

pdee: Its stories like this that make more people doubt climate change.

Wiki suggests chickens were domesticated 6000 years ago.  Here is a temp graph for the last 10k years:

[jonova.s3.amazonaws.com image 829x493]

It looks like they have survived higher temps on their own.  With selective breeding they should have no problems for another 100 years.  By then we should be able to manipulate their DNA directly for heat tolerance.


I wasn't aware that chickens were domesticated on the Greenland ice cap at temperatures of -30C.

And why does your graph end in 1905?
 
2014-05-16 08:05:44 PM  
Last time I checked chickens come from Southeast Asia

which is a pretty warm place

mygreenspace.nparks.gov.sg
 
2014-05-16 11:11:49 PM  

AlgaeRancher: Last time I checked chickens come from Southeast Asia

which is a pretty warm place

[mygreenspace.nparks.gov.sg image 814x350]


Last time I checked, the chickens we eat look nothing like that, because we've bred them to grow lots of muscle mass in useless areas very quickly. It's taken half a century to go from what we used to see on the farm to the plump little meat machines stuck in factory farms, and it'll take at least a few decades to get a heat-resistant strain that won't turn chicken into a delicacy only the rich can afford before then.

Again, it's not "will we have chickens?" Of course we'll have chickens. The question being asked is "will we have marketable chickens?" The answer is, well, no, not if they keel over because they can't survive the heat - the cost of chicken will skyrocket as farmers struggle to keep them alive, cool, and productive.
 
2014-05-16 11:24:11 PM  

OnlyM3: DontMakeMeComeBackThere

This is stupid. Chickens are raised everywhere in this country from Kansas City to Phoenix, in a much wider range of temperatures that even run away "Global Warming" would create.
Shhh stop confusing the cultists with science.



The thing about science is that it relies on empirical investigation, not uncritically accepting received wisdom, as you've done here. Yes, no matter how folksy it's worded.

For instance, if either of you had RTFA, you might have come across what they're actually planning for - increases in heat waves and extremes in temperature, reduced susceptibility to disease, and increased efficiency and quality. The problem they're up against isn't about being unable to raise chickens or other livestock under temperature changes due to climate change.
 
2014-05-17 07:44:56 AM  

FormlessOne: Again, it's not "will we have chickens?" Of course we'll have chickens. The question being asked is "will we have marketable chickens?" The answer is, well, no, not if they keel over because they can't survive the heat - the cost of chicken will skyrocket as farmers struggle to keep them alive, cool, and productive.


Yup.  From the LA Times article on the same topic:

"Warmer temperatures can create huge problems for animals farmed for food. Turkeys are vulnerable to a condition that makes their breast meat mushy and unappetizing. Disease rips through chicken coops. Brutal weather can claim entire cattle herds.
"It's a big problem when it happens," said Gale Strasburg, a professor of food science and human nutrition at Michigan State University whose quest is to develop more robust turkeys. "Within a day or two after the heat wave hits, you will go from there being no problem at all on a farm to 40% of turkey breasts having a problem."
"If we start seeing a lot more shifts in summer temperature extremes, there is going to be more of this," he said."


So yes, there are chickens in tropical regions.  There are also tropical microorganisms that prey on chickens in tropical regions.
 
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