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(Reason Magazine)   A reminisce into 1980's anti-authority punk rock, following with the question of "what went wrong?"   (reason.com) divider line 150
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2014-05-16 08:14:36 AM  
Yes, because the one thing that punk rock really liked were guys in suits, with a fixation for money and the accumulation of power...
 
2014-05-16 09:08:54 AM  
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2014-05-16 09:33:46 AM  
Libertarians who think they're rebels are so cute.
 
2014-05-16 09:50:18 AM  
I miss Maximum Rock and Roll.  You could send them a cassette tape and they would review your band!

Unfortunately their website isn't searchable so I can't find the four sentences they had to say about the Punky Brewster (not the real band name that's just what I called tween punks) art-damaged crap-rock trainwreck I was involved with back when I was an angry pimple farmer.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-16 11:08:02 AM  

Sybarite: Libertarians who think they're rebels are so cute.


They really are the right's version of hippies.
 
2014-05-16 11:14:26 AM  

vpb: Sybarite: Libertarians who think they're rebels are so cute.

They really are the right's version of hippies.


Except more annoying. At least hippies have good ideas.
 
2014-05-16 11:18:45 AM  

bdub77: vpb: Sybarite: Libertarians who think they're rebels are so cute.

They really are the right's version of hippies.

Except more annoying. At least hippies have good ideas.


Forcing others to recognize that soap matters?
 
2014-05-16 11:19:29 AM  

Sybarite: Libertarians who think they're rebels are so cute.


img.fark.net
 
2014-05-16 11:19:49 AM  
Spoiled, rich c*nts. You know, Libertarians.
 
2014-05-16 11:20:01 AM  
They fight authority, authority always wins.
 
2014-05-16 11:21:48 AM  
We started wearing blue and brown.
 
2014-05-16 11:22:32 AM  
All I wanted was a Pepsi.
 
2014-05-16 11:22:38 AM  
Long live Darby Crash
 
2014-05-16 11:24:11 AM  
"Libertarian" is just the old name for Tea Baggers
 
2014-05-16 11:24:15 AM  
"Punk is not dead. Punk will only die when corporations can exploit and mass produce it." ~ Jello Biafra

Anybody want to go to Hot Topic?
 
2014-05-16 11:24:20 AM  
what a bunch of Winnebago warriors
 
2014-05-16 11:24:21 AM  
title of the Article " A Brief History of Conservative and Libertarian Punk Rock"

Next up... "The Evolutionary History of the Snipe"
"The Mating Habbits of the Unicorn"
and other made up shiat.
 
2014-05-16 11:24:46 AM  

Gonz: "Punk is not dead. Punk will only die when corporations can exploit and mass produce it." ~ Jello Biafra

Anybody want to go to Hot Topic?


Shut up! Be Happy.
 
2014-05-16 11:25:28 AM  

Gonz: "Punk is not dead. Punk will only die when corporations can exploit and mass produce it." ~ Jello Biafra

Anybody want to go to Hot Topic?


Can we listen to Green Day?
 
2014-05-16 11:25:44 AM  

Gonz: "Punk is not dead. Punk will only die when corporations can exploit and mass produce it." ~ Jello Biafra

Anybody want to go to Hot Topic?


Angry Young and Poor dot com.

/more bands, more labels
//waaaay more expensive
///wait, I thought you were marketing to the poor...
 
2014-05-16 11:26:41 AM  

Calmamity: Can we listen to Green Day?


And then some Avril.  She's so edgy.
 
2014-05-16 11:27:29 AM  

Gonz: "Punk is not dead. Punk will only die when corporations can exploit and mass produce it." ~ Jello Biafra

Anybody want to go to Hot Topic?


Hot Topic had an amazing idea. Take all the subcultures kids are into and mass market them. Although in my day Gadzooks had the same idea and before that subcultures actually made their own clothes

/get off my lawn
 
2014-05-16 11:28:07 AM  

svanmeter: Long live Darby Crash


I was reading that he had TeH Ghey, but I recall that John Doe was cheating on Exene with Crash's girlfriend, which gave us the song 'White Girl'.
 
2014-05-16 11:29:02 AM  

hubiestubert: Yes, because the one thing that punk rock really liked were guys in suits, with a fixation for money and the accumulation of power...


As far as suits go, The Jam wore them ;-)
 
2014-05-16 11:29:45 AM  
I never thought of FEAR as being terribly libertarian.  Homophobic, misguided and prone to espouse anarchistic views, sure.  But it's hard to think of them as any sort of think tank when they seem to miss the boat on so many other things.
 
2014-05-16 11:30:29 AM  
I know it's hypocritical to point fingers at the people who point fingers.
But when we all march to the beat of the same different drummer,
the steps start to come off like clockwork.
I guess I'm saying we could stand to be nicer
because when you're in a basement talking shiat 
and interspersing it with speaking in namedrops and units,
I must admit I'm not the best when on the defensive.
I'd rather steal your whiskey than your heart in conversation.
I'd rather break three strings a song then stick to a routine 
like I'm ripe for the picking after growing on a tree
and then talk about the industry, cross-market positivity 
with vinyl nerds and brightly colored, quirky messy record sleeves.
I'd rather be vomiting and I despise vomiting. Blugh.

But thanks for the beer. 
I appreciate your time but can we talk about something else?
If you really think that you and I are on the same page 
you can go ahead and fark yourself.
Because you've got coke and good looks,
I've got overdue library books
so let's be friends and change the subject now.

'Cause the last thing I wanna be is another negative asshole.
Like God speaks through my acoustic guitar 
and I've got the perfect set of morals
on a dry erase board at the front of the house.

FOLLOW THESE CONDITIONS OR WE'LL KICK YOUR ASS OUT:
Vegans only: NO MEAT ALLOWED!
Straight edge only: NO DRINKING ALLOWED!
Fixed gears only: NO THREE-SPEEDS ALLOWED!
Me me me!!!: I'M SMART! I'M RIGHT! I'M SMART!

I think it's dumb when you take the inherently fun like riding bikes 
and singing songs and say they're not for everyone 
as if for your whole life you were cool as shiat.

"Punk tourist!"

'Cause you still beg for cash cause you spent your parents' last on a Greyhound to the Fest
and your jacket says Crass but I don't give an ass I'm not giving you fifty cents
so that you can buy a forty and destroy a hotel party 
and the man who cleans your mess up shrugs and says,
"This non-conformity looks like conformity,
like boring nice people pose threats to your authority.
This positivity is negativity
and you boys sure left me with a mess to clean."

Smile big, hug bigger. Talk big, act bigger. 
Stop judging do something, shut the fark up do something.
Instead of sneering at my friends and me 
'cause we're not stealing buy a troubled friend a drink at the bar and tip well.
Don't spend your time scoffing when do that 
you're just scoffing like the people who scoff at us while defending our community.
You're a teacher, you're a parent, you're the head of a dictatorship.
When the ground is covered up in rules you're guaranteed to power trip.

This non-conformity looks like conformity.
Why should anyone believe in our community?
This organization doesn't feel like anarchy 'cause
we're suiting up to have the same identity and the boring nice people say,

"Shut up the punx!" All the people who have barbecues to feed their friends and family,
"Shut up the punx!" All the people writing zines with information, not just blaming things,
"Shut up the punx!" All the boys and girls are fed up with just saying that we're punk, we say,
"Shut up the punx!" "Shut up the punx!"
 
2014-05-16 11:31:17 AM  
Funny how they name a couple bands and link them to one of the Ramones (who I don't remember really writing the lyrics).  Why not hook them up with the English right-wing National Front / skinhead / Oi! bands of the period?
 
2014-05-16 11:32:24 AM  

bdub77: vpb: Sybarite: Libertarians who think they're rebels are so cute.

They really are the right's version of hippies.

Except more annoying. At least hippies have good ideas.


Such as "liberating" property (they want) from people who actually buy it instead of holding jobs?
 
2014-05-16 11:34:14 AM  
As a huge fan of punk rock music, I've always been amused by people who take the genre so seriously, like there's a specific lifestyle to be adhered to.
 
2014-05-16 11:34:54 AM  

Billy Liar: Funny how they name a couple bands and link them to one of the Ramones (who I don't remember really writing the lyrics).  Why not hook them up with the English right-wing National Front / skinhead / Oi! bands of the period?


Those were overzealous staffers and isolated incidents.
 
2014-05-16 11:34:55 AM  

Stratohead: title of the Article " A Brief History of Conservative and Libertarian Punk Rock"

Next up... "The Evolutionary History of the Snipe"
"The Mating Habbits of the Unicorn"
and other made up shiat.


You sound young. One of the anthems of the time was a blistering takedown of a man who is still a liberal icon.
 
2014-05-16 11:35:00 AM  

lindalouwho: hubiestubert: Yes, because the one thing that punk rock really liked were guys in suits, with a fixation for money and the accumulation of power...

As far as suits go, The Jam wore them ;-)


They got Burton suits, ha, you think it's funny
Turning rebellion into money!

/one of my favorite songs ever
//most people think that line is a dig at the Jam
 
2014-05-16 11:35:17 AM  

Billy Liar: Funny how they name a couple bands and link them to one of the Ramones (who I don't remember really writing the lyrics).  Why not hook them up with the English right-wing National Front / skinhead / Oi! bands of the period?


fc00.deviantart.net
 
2014-05-16 11:36:16 AM  

MFAWG: Stratohead: title of the Article " A Brief History of Conservative and Libertarian Punk Rock"

Next up... "The Evolutionary History of the Snipe"
"The Mating Habbits of the Unicorn"
and other made up shiat.

You sound young. One of the anthems of the time was a blistering takedown of a man who is still a liberal icon.


I'm 43.
 
2014-05-16 11:36:52 AM  
1. You need more than "this sucks". You need a compelling replacement idea.
2. There is no #2.
 
2014-05-16 11:39:26 AM  

hubiestubert: Yes, because the one thing that punk rock really liked were guys in suits, with a fixation for money and the accumulation of power...


Considering that Vivienne Westwood formed the Sex Pistols...
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-05-16 11:41:10 AM  
I've been listening to DEVO a lot over the past few weeks, and I've come to conclusion they are the REAL punks from the 70s.

1) The Sex Pistols played where people wanted to hear them.  Devo purposefully mis-represented themselves as a cover band (like Foghat) so they would get in venues that would piss people off.

2) If you listen to people like Jello Biafra, they are really into the "punk movement" thing, while DEVO wanted to be no part of any musical movement at all.  They don't want to be punk, which oddly makes them more punk.

3) Punk acknowledges that it is a form of rock and roll going all the way back to R&B.  Devo doesn't acknowledge that.

So... hearing people like Jello (who I like, mind you) talk about what is Punk and what is not make me feel that Devo are more punk (with a lower case P)  in the 70s because they just refused to listen to anyone's definition of what music was.
 
2014-05-16 11:41:17 AM  

doubled99: As a huge fan of punk rock music, I've always been amused by people who take the genre so seriously, like there's a specific lifestyle to be adhered to.


Yep, Punk is the time in a young person's life when they realize it's a matter of time before they realize they are going to turn out just like their parents and something must be done.
 
2014-05-16 11:41:20 AM  

Lee451: bdub77: vpb: Sybarite: Libertarians who think they're rebels are so cute.

They really are the right's version of hippies.

Except more annoying. At least hippies have good ideas.

Such as "liberating" property (they want) from people who actually buy it instead of holding jobs?


Clearly your view of the hippy culture is distorted. I'm not sure if it's your brain just sucks or you have a chemical imbalance. May I suggest you try some LSD?
 
2014-05-16 11:41:21 AM  
What went wrong?

$$$$$

Any questions?
 
2014-05-16 11:41:37 AM  

Skarekrough: I never thought of FEAR as being terribly libertarian.  Homophobic, misguided and prone to espouse anarchistic views, sure.


But I thought you said you never thought of FEAR as being libertarian.
 
2014-05-16 11:42:00 AM  
A lot of my friends are black punk.
 
2014-05-16 11:42:03 AM  
You're not a rebel till you hold people ransom for naked pics of Bea Arthur.
 
2014-05-16 11:42:50 AM  
Ha ! Gen Xers
 
2014-05-16 11:42:50 AM  
California uber alles, but they did release an anti Reagan version of it.
 
2014-05-16 11:43:08 AM  
I can tell you what happened:

Marketing...

People under estimate the power of propaganda marketing. All the punk rockers of the 80's had kids and got old, and try as they might to pass along that anti-cultural, rage-against-the-machine anger towards the system to their kids, the kids got pulled in by Apple, Sketchers, and whatever mini-infomercials for cheap chinese made over priced plastic trendy toys. Basically good ol' American commercialism...
 
2014-05-16 11:44:49 AM  

Stratohead: MFAWG: Stratohead: title of the Article " A Brief History of Conservative and Libertarian Punk Rock"

Next up... "The Evolutionary History of the Snipe"
"The Mating Habbits of the Unicorn"
and other made up shiat.

You sound young. One of the anthems of the time was a blistering takedown of a man who is still a liberal icon.

I'm 43.


Snipes are real, actually.

And this article has me listening to Cause for Alarm again (youtube has a full album link).  musically i really dig it.  luckily i cant really pay attention to those lyrics anymore but as punk metal goes, its pretty good for the 80s.
 
2014-05-16 11:45:08 AM  
Basically everyone with any talent eventually learned how to actually play their instruments, everyone else OD'd or quit.
 
2014-05-16 11:45:44 AM  
FTA: Agnostic Front was at the center of a heated debate over whether right-of-center views should even be allowed in the '80s punk scene in the first place.

So, who's the authority who determines what's allowed in punk and what's not? Is there like a "Ramones Foundation"? An "Iggy Pop Institute"?
 
2014-05-16 11:46:47 AM  

Gonz: "Punk is not dead. Punk will only die when corporations can exploit and mass produce it." ~ Jello Biafra

Anybody want to go to Hot Topic?


It's the one stop shop for all your Grunge fashion needs.
 
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