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2014-05-16 12:07:13 AM  
I'm not entirely sure that I agree with her indictment of Maher as "especially" against Islam.  He's against religion across the board, and most so against those people that use their religious beliefs as a crutch for violence and discrimination and idiocy.

Boko Haram does use their religious beliefs as the foundation of their inclination to violence, explicitly from what I've read.  Accusing them of Islamic terror seems to be reasonable: The are terrorists, and they are Muslim. Their interpretation of Islam is not a mainstream or widely held interpretation, but those basic facts are there.
 
2014-05-16 12:08:59 AM  
Bill hates all religions. Sorry, you don't get to feel like a special little snowflake
 
2014-05-16 12:14:53 AM  
So, wait. Liberals hate Muslims now? I thought they only hated Christians?
 
2014-05-16 12:34:21 AM  

HawgWild: So, wait. Liberals hate Muslims now? I thought they only hated Christians?


And Obama, their leader, is both a Muslim and a Black-Power Christian. Those guys have real continuity problems.
 
2014-05-16 12:34:48 AM  

Your liberal bigotry against Muslims and Islam

Your liberal bigotry against Muslims and Islam

Your liberal bigotry against Muslims and Islam


What? I thought that us liberals all loved Muslims and wanted to bow down to them and allow them to bomb us? God damn man I just can't keep all my notes straight these days.
 
2014-05-16 12:35:04 AM  
Your religion, much like your blog, sucks.
 
2014-05-16 12:38:26 AM  
If this American Muslim had any real courage, she'd send a similar letter to Richard Dawkins, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali. And watch them eviscerate her.
 
2014-05-16 12:38:59 AM  

HawgWild: So, wait. Liberals hate Muslims now? I thought they only hated Christians?


Liberals are all about equal opportunity, dontchaknow
 
2014-05-16 12:41:17 AM  
The only reason to watch that BM is to count how long it takes for somebody to bash conservatives or Christians.

/actually pretty funny
//you will not miss a moment of your regular viewing, it's that fast
 
2014-05-16 12:41:33 AM  

HawgWild: So, wait. Liberals hate Muslims now? I thought they only hated Christians?


Liberals: Not all Muslims are terrorists, in fact most aren't.

Conservatives: See, Liberals are trying to say that all Muslims aren't terrorists and that it's a "religion of peace."
 
2014-05-16 12:41:40 AM  

SphericalTime: I'm not entirely sure that I agree with her indictment of Maher as "especially" against Islam.  He's against religion across the board, and most so against those people that use their religious beliefs as a crutch for violence and discrimination and idiocy.

Boko Haram does use their religious beliefs as the foundation of their inclination to violence, explicitly from what I've read.  Accusing them of Islamic terror seems to be reasonable: The are terrorists, and they are Muslim. Their interpretation of Islam is not a mainstream or widely held interpretation, but those basic facts are there.


Yet tell any Christian that Westboro Baptist Church members and abortion clinic bombers are members of their religion and you'll never hear the end of the No True Scotsman fallacy.
 
2014-05-16 12:41:51 AM  
According to this guy's article:  If 50% of muslims are doing good things then why are they letting the other 50% continue to devalue and tarnish their great religion?  Granted I am aware that those numbers were thrown in for arguments sake but even if it is more like 90% good and 10% bad, that 10% has been given an awful lot of credence.  Worse, you have high level religious clerics endorsing and validating the violence.

Has there even been mass condemnation from high ranking and high profile islamic leaders about the kidnappings?

I'm certainly not an expert on anything but there needs to be a swift and decision action about the mass kidnappings from some other country other than the US.  If this is such a horrible thing, even in the eyes of the religion they base their justification from, why is not some place Saudi Arabia sending in a military operation to resolve it?  If their religion is so valuable and they need to defend from the fringe that is bringing them down why do they not act?  They certainly have the resources and the means to communicate their intentions to the rest of the world on what they are going to do.
 
2014-05-16 12:42:46 AM  
If only there was a process to get rid of those that do not follow that religion. Oh, waita minute, that process is called apostasy. Wonder why these fake Islamists always avoid that loophole. Perhaps the community can find some way of punishing those that support such people instead. Cut off the money, and all
 
2014-05-16 12:43:06 AM  
I'm a liberal too, but even I think Bill Maher is an intolerable douchecanoe. I hate that farking fedora he wears.

/The one on his heart, I mean.
 
2014-05-16 12:43:37 AM  

IlGreven: If this American Muslim had any real courage, she'd send a similar letter to Richard Dawkins, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali. And watch them eviscerate her.


Meh, Dawkins isn't that brilliant on Islam.  He's much better on Christianity.  Hirsi Ali would tear her several new ones though.

Christopher Hitchens was the other one that could really eviscerate Islam, IMO.
 
2014-05-16 12:46:13 AM  
Oh, Rabia...

It's not because he's a Liberal.

It's because he's Jewish.

/waits for bucket of mop water to be dumped on head
 
2014-05-16 12:47:52 AM  
I'm a fan of Maher.  And he actually has stated that out of all religions, some stand out as particularly farked up, VS other religions, and yes, Islam is one he throws into the "farked up category".  He does also say that all religions are farked up.
I think more his point is that people take SOME religions to extremes over others.
I personally believe that the poorer and more desperate you are, the more farked up your religious beliefs are going to become.  I think he does need to take this into consideration.  Religion is just the means, but poverty and desperation/corruption of culture is the root.
The problem is, that when an atrocity is committed in the name of a religion, it is pretty unlikely that the rank and file of some religions are going to stand up against it.
 
2014-05-16 12:48:01 AM  

Serious Black: SphericalTime: I'm not entirely sure that I agree with her indictment of Maher as "especially" against Islam.  He's against religion across the board, and most so against those people that use their religious beliefs as a crutch for violence and discrimination and idiocy.

Boko Haram does use their religious beliefs as the foundation of their inclination to violence, explicitly from what I've read.  Accusing them of Islamic terror seems to be reasonable: The are terrorists, and they are Muslim. Their interpretation of Islam is not a mainstream or widely held interpretation, but those basic facts are there.

Yet tell any Christian that Westboro Baptist Church members and abortion clinic bombers are members of their religion and you'll never hear the end of the No True Scotsman fallacy.


Seriously.  I always get the pissy "they aren't Christians if they aren't good people" pseudo definition where True Christians are never bad guys.  But there are Christian terrorist groups, Christian hate groups, and Christian jerks, the same as every other religion.

WireFire2: Has there even been mass condemnation from high ranking and high profile islamic leaders about the kidnappings?


Yes, many and vocally.  Just because you don't see it, that doesn't mean they don't happen.  They're just not newsworthy, apparently.
 
2014-05-16 12:49:09 AM  

IlGreven: If this American Muslim had any real courage, she'd send a similar letter to Richard Dawkins, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali. And watch them eviscerate her.


There's an important distinction between Dawkins and Maher tho. (I can't speak of Hirsi because he is unknown to me).

Dawkins isn't a grade A asshole.
 
2014-05-16 12:50:36 AM  

Rixel: If only there was a process to get rid of those that do not follow that religion. Oh, waita minute, that process is called apostasy. Wonder why these fake Islamists always avoid that loophole. Perhaps the community can find some way of punishing those that support such people instead. Cut off the money, and all


There isn't really anything like a papal figure in Islam, so that wouldn't work.

When I was younger, whenever assholes like Boko Haram turned up in the news, my parents basically told me "Don't be that guy."

Here's something Stile4aly wrote a while back:

"Being a Muslim in the US means that you are always an "other."  You always carry guilt by association for the acts of every member of your faith who performs some damnable act.  It means that you'd better not be too vocal about who you are or what you think because it will draw suspicion and possibly danger.  And you had definitely better not respond when people say something ignorant or bigoted because you'll just be called a terrorist sympathizer or an apologist."
 
2014-05-16 12:54:00 AM  
BTW, time.com...Go eat a giant bag of dicks with your 27 trackers on your site.  Page was un-farking readable without turning off the blocker.
 
2014-05-16 12:54:54 AM  
I believe in freedom of religion. I also think all religions are false. While they can be used for good, they are often used for the opposite of that. But I do believe people should have the freedom of religion, and Muslims in the US should not have any fewer freedoms and rights than Christians. I don't believe Christians or Muslims should be able to impose their religious views on anyone through our common government. This somehow gets turned in the minds of the far right into "liberals love Muslims but hate Christians." I don't think I will ever understand what goes on in their heads.
 
2014-05-16 12:55:13 AM  
The horrible thing about Maher's show is that people watch it.
 
2014-05-16 12:55:38 AM  
There is a difference between being somebody who does bad things, and happens to be a follower of religion X, and being somebody who does bad things in the name of religion X.  A lot of grief going on in Africa and Asia is because of the latter.

Of course, the writer is also correct in that not everything is directly because of Islam.  A lot of it is because of local culture, much of which is fairly medieval.  And people are well known for interpreting holy books to suit their own agenda, especially when the people doing the interpretation are twisted people in power.

My only care is that those people stay in their own corner of the world.  If you're a progressive, educated Muslim, come on over.  If your a redneck from Somalia who makes your 8 year-old daughter wear full body coverings while walking down the street in Seattle because of Islam, GTFO.


/Maher hates all religion
//couldn't you tell that after watching a couple of his shows?
 
2014-05-16 12:56:42 AM  
"Burn Arabs, not oil."   Gulf War saying in my combat unit.
 
2014-05-16 12:56:46 AM  

WireFire2: Has there even been mass condemnation from high ranking and high profile islamic leaders about the kidnappings?


Yes, of course there has.  Hundreds of leading Islamic leaders, including top clerics and leaders of Saudi Arabia and Iran, have condemned it.

You don't hear about it much, because the news, by and large, doesn't care about things that aren't interesting.  A hundred people supporting terrorism are more interesting than a hundred million condemning it, and thus more newsworthy.  People talk about liberal and conservative biases, but the most severe bias in the news is the sensationalist bias, which grossly distorts the picture you get of the rest of the world.
 
2014-05-16 12:58:51 AM  

WireFire2: According to this guy's article:  If 50% of muslims are doing good things then why are they letting the other 50% continue to devalue and tarnish their great religion?  Granted I am aware that those numbers were thrown in for arguments sake but even if it is more like 90% good and 10% bad, that 10% has been given an awful lot of credence.  Worse, you have high level religious clerics endorsing and validating the violence.

Has there even been mass condemnation from high ranking and high profile islamic leaders about the kidnappings?

I'm certainly not an expert on anything but there needs to be a swift and decision action about the mass kidnappings from some other country other than the US.  If this is such a horrible thing, even in the eyes of the religion they base their justification from, why is not some place Saudi Arabia sending in a military operation to resolve it?  If their religion is so valuable and they need to defend from the fringe that is bringing them down why do they not act?  They certainly have the resources and the means to communicate their intentions to the rest of the world on what they are going to do.


Somewhere, some asshole is doing something dickish. It turns out this asshole is using your shared belief, ideology, taste in music or appreciation for scat porn as the excuse.

Do you rush to condemn or even recognize his behavior because of this shared interest? Do you even recognize him as one of your own? Do you not offend at the idea of people even thinking that you are somehow to answer for his actions or should feel some responsibility to confront him?

Just because you both collect Masters of the Universe underoos, you now have to speak up and disown him because he uses his appreciation for children's underwear as an excuse for other lewd behaviors?

He's part of you and what you believe just because you both happen to appreciate the same Kirk/Kosh fan fiction?

No, sir. That is not freedom.
 
2014-05-16 12:59:26 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bill hates all religions. Sorry, you don't get to feel like a special little snowflake


But he doesn't let his hatred of religion color his thinking on religion, of course.

Wait, of course he does.

The argument still stands:  Doesn't the good things that people do in the name of religion outweigh, or at least counter, the bad?

And, because there those that use religion as a justification to be assholes, isn't it pretty shiatty to say that religion is the reason for that, and thus religious people are assholes?
 
2014-05-16 12:59:27 AM  

Bith Set Me Up: Rixel: If only there was a process to get rid of those that do not follow that religion. Oh, waita minute, that process is called apostasy. Wonder why these fake Islamists always avoid that loophole. Perhaps the community can find some way of punishing those that support such people instead. Cut off the money, and all

There isn't really anything like a papal figure in Islam, so that wouldn't work.

When I was younger, whenever assholes like Boko Haram turned up in the news, my parents basically told me "Don't be that guy."

Here's something Stile4aly wrote a while back:

"Being a Muslim in the US means that you are always an "other."  You always carry guilt by association for the acts of every member of your faith who performs some damnable act.  It means that you'd better not be too vocal about who you are or what you think because it will draw suspicion and possibly danger.  And you had definitely better not respond when people say something ignorant or bigoted because you'll just be called a terrorist sympathizer or an apologist."


So, governments can put someone to death who says they are a christian, but not someone who claims they are Muslim, but lying about it (or not following the core idea....such as blowing up people)

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source =web&rct=j&ei=55l1U-OSDcKdyASagY J I&url=http://time.com/100884/sudanese- woman-sentenced-to-death-for-apo stasy/&cd=4&ved=0CDUQqQIwAw&usg=AFQjCN HntxaSQsuip0lDRmaw85Gza089pQ&sig 2=rB9HKelT96kgDaIsEq-D4A
 
2014-05-16 12:59:36 AM  
when did Maher become a liberal?
 
2014-05-16 01:10:41 AM  

WireFire2: According to this guy's article:  If 50% of muslims are doing good things then why are they letting the other 50% continue to devalue and tarnish their great religion?


"They" who?  What, you think these guys all go to the same church?

Bonus:  Replace "Muslims" and "religion" with "blacks" and "race," and see how that sounds.

And don't give me "but but religion is a choice," because it's one that, like, 90% of people make.
 
2014-05-16 01:11:36 AM  

SphericalTime: Seriously. I always get the pissy "they aren't Christians if they aren't good people" pseudo definition where True Christians are never bad guys. But there are Christian terrorist groups, Christian hate groups, and Christian jerks, the same as every other religion.


The problem with Christians is that the better ones tend to be fairly quiet about it.  Kind of like how Jesus wanted his followers to be.  And if you look at a lot of fundamentalist Christian groups, a lot of them tend to quote a lot from the Old Testament.

I've always questioned how Christian somebody really is when they focus more on the Old Testament than they do the New Testament.  From everything we've read, Jesus was a hippie.  Starting wars in his name probably isn't something he'd encourage.
 
2014-05-16 01:18:53 AM  
Are Muslims being oppressed?
 
2014-05-16 01:19:21 AM  

sendtodave: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bill hates all religions. Sorry, you don't get to feel like a special little snowflake

But he doesn't let his hatred of religion color his thinking on religion, of course.

Wait, of course he does.

The argument still stands:  Doesn't the good things that people do in the name of religion outweigh, or at least counter, the bad?

And, because there those that use religion as a justification to be assholes, isn't it pretty shiatty to say that religion is the reason for that, and thus religious people are assholes?


No, because in pretty much all religions, the good deeds come with a hook.  Proselytizing, that's where it's at.

Why in fark not just do good in the name of humanity?
 
2014-05-16 01:19:32 AM  

Dinjiin: And people are well known for interpreting holy books to suit their own agenda, especially when the people doing the interpretation are twisted people in power.


Dinjiin: I've always questioned how Christian somebody really is when they focus more on the Old Testament than they do the New Testament.  From everything we've read, Jesus was a hippie.  Starting wars in his name probably isn't something he'd encourage.


My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord
at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison.  -- Adolf Godwin
 
2014-05-16 01:20:18 AM  

tripleseven: sendtodave: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bill hates all religions. Sorry, you don't get to feel like a special little snowflake

But he doesn't let his hatred of religion color his thinking on religion, of course.

Wait, of course he does.

The argument still stands:  Doesn't the good things that people do in the name of religion outweigh, or at least counter, the bad?

And, because there those that use religion as a justification to be assholes, isn't it pretty shiatty to say that religion is the reason for that, and thus religious people are assholes?

No, because in pretty much all religions, the good deeds come with a hook.  Proselytizing, that's where it's at.

Why in fark not just do good in the name of humanity?


Because they aren't secular humanists?
 
2014-05-16 01:24:13 AM  
FTFA: "I could tell you that while Christianity was debating the status of women's souls and  , Islam had already established authoritatively the  and absolved Eve, and womankind at large, of sin."

Oh my God, who the hell cares?

The issue is religion, and in these incidents it happens to be your religion.  No farks are given as to which religion did what first, or what their dogmatic precedents were.  Eve was absolved?  Whoop-dee-farking-do.  That anyone gives a shiat about an alegorical character's "legal" disposition may be is what he finds laughable.
 
2014-05-16 01:24:34 AM  

gfid: Are Muslims being oppressed?


Iunno, ask the guy that wanted to build a Mosque somewhere in New York and OH MY GOD THEY WANT TO BUILD A MOSQUE ON TOP OF GROUND ZERO!
 
2014-05-16 01:24:43 AM  

IlGreven: If this American Muslim had any real courage, she'd send a similar letter to Richard Dawkins, or Ayaan Hirsi Ali. And watch them eviscerate her.


she calls out Ayaan Hirse Ali in the piece as having a legit personal beef.  Dawkins, yeah he's an asshole in this arena.
 
2014-05-16 01:24:46 AM  
Looks like this discussion is already in the "Well moderate Muslims need to make the others behave". To which I have a question, and someone who says that needs explain something to me.

How? How can Joe Muslim make the fundamentalist murderers get in line?

Do you think that any random citizen of any country is going to sway some crazy farkers in some other country? Or, let's make it easy. Do you think that your average citizen in Saudi Arabia or Iran can change their leader's minds?

Do you think they can do it with a sternly worded letter? Does Joe Muslim in the US need to fly to Iran, or Saudi Arabia, or Africa, and hunt these guys down and tell them "Hey, quit it"? And you think they'll go "Oh, wow, I am such a douche"? No, they'll likely kill them.

How is any moderate Muslim anywhere supposed to get through to people who think that murder is cool and justified? There's no coming back from that. Let's add to the fact that those who believe murder is cool and justified are also likely in control of the government.

It's like saying to any Catholic in the 80s and 90s, "You know you should make those Irish Catholics stop with the violence. It's your responsibility." Because Joe Catholic can really ring up some Irish bomber and talk him down.

So please, explain to me how it's done. Give directions. I want some how-tos.
 
2014-05-16 01:25:48 AM  

sendtodave: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bill hates all religions. Sorry, you don't get to feel like a special little snowflake

But he doesn't let his hatred of religion color his thinking on religion, of course.

Wait, of course he does.

The argument still stands:  Doesn't the good things that people do in the name of religion outweigh, or at least counter, the bad?

And, because there those that use religion as a justification to be assholes, isn't it pretty shiatty to say that religion is the reason for that, and thus religious people are assholes?


Yep. As an Atheist I don't care what religion you are. I judge you based on your actions and what you stand for. If you use religion as a reason to treat others poorly then I dislike you and not your religion. I know plenty of wonderful people of every religion and I find many of the traditions and ceremonies to be incredibly interesting. Some people just have their fedoras on too tight.
 
2014-05-16 01:26:04 AM  

sendtodave: tripleseven: sendtodave: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bill hates all religions. Sorry, you don't get to feel like a special little snowflake

But he doesn't let his hatred of religion color his thinking on religion, of course.

Wait, of course he does.

The argument still stands:  Doesn't the good things that people do in the name of religion outweigh, or at least counter, the bad?

And, because there those that use religion as a justification to be assholes, isn't it pretty shiatty to say that religion is the reason for that, and thus religious people are assholes?

No, because in pretty much all religions, the good deeds come with a hook.  Proselytizing, that's where it's at.

Why in fark not just do good in the name of humanity?

Because they aren't secular humanists?


The world would be a better place if they were.

If I see a person in need, I help them.  End of story.
I don't lie, cheat, steal, or do anything otherwise underhanded.  Because it's not the right thing to do.
No sky monster or fear of what will happen to me after I die influences that.
 
2014-05-16 01:26:16 AM  

Hots_Kebabs: when did Maher become a liberal?


I'm also wondering about that. He's always come across as an opportunist to me.
 
2014-05-16 01:26:47 AM  

Bane of Broone: sendtodave: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bill hates all religions. Sorry, you don't get to feel like a special little snowflake

But he doesn't let his hatred of religion color his thinking on religion, of course.

Wait, of course he does.

The argument still stands:  Doesn't the good things that people do in the name of religion outweigh, or at least counter, the bad?

And, because there those that use religion as a justification to be assholes, isn't it pretty shiatty to say that religion is the reason for that, and thus religious people are assholes?

Yep. As an Atheist I don't care what religion you are. I judge you based on your actions and what you stand for. If you use religion as a reason to treat others poorly then I dislike you and not your religion. I know plenty of wonderful people of every religion and I find many of the traditions and ceremonies to be incredibly interesting. Some people just have their fedoras on too tight.


You, Sir, do not suck.
 
2014-05-16 01:27:57 AM  

tripleseven: sendtodave: tripleseven: sendtodave: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bill hates all religions. Sorry, you don't get to feel like a special little snowflake

But he doesn't let his hatred of religion color his thinking on religion, of course.

Wait, of course he does.

The argument still stands:  Doesn't the good things that people do in the name of religion outweigh, or at least counter, the bad?

And, because there those that use religion as a justification to be assholes, isn't it pretty shiatty to say that religion is the reason for that, and thus religious people are assholes?

No, because in pretty much all religions, the good deeds come with a hook.  Proselytizing, that's where it's at.

Why in fark not just do good in the name of humanity?

Because they aren't secular humanists?

The world would be a better place if they were.

If I see a person in need, I help them.  End of story.
I don't lie, cheat, steal, or do anything otherwise underhanded.  Because it's not the right thing to do.
No sky monster or fear of what will happen to me after I die influences that.


And so humble and modest, too.
 
2014-05-16 01:28:23 AM  

tripleseven: sendtodave:

The argument still stands:  Doesn't the good things that people do in the name of religion outweigh, or at least counter, the bad?
And, because there those that use religion as a justification to be assholes, isn't it pretty shiatty to say that religion is the reason for that, and thus religious people are assholes?

No, because in pretty much all religions, the good deeds come with a hook.  Proselytizing, that's where it's at.
Why in fark not just do good in the name of humanity?


Why would that make a difference?  It doesn't count unless it's pure altruism?  If you're going to go with that as a standard, you'll quickly find that there are no good deeds, with or without religion.
 
2014-05-16 01:29:32 AM  

sendtodave: You, Sir, do not suck.


My girl's toes would disagree, but thank you all the same. ;)
 
2014-05-16 01:30:54 AM  

Wasteland: tripleseven: sendtodave:

The argument still stands:  Doesn't the good things that people do in the name of religion outweigh, or at least counter, the bad?
And, because there those that use religion as a justification to be assholes, isn't it pretty shiatty to say that religion is the reason for that, and thus religious people are assholes?

No, because in pretty much all religions, the good deeds come with a hook.  Proselytizing, that's where it's at.
Why in fark not just do good in the name of humanity?

Why would that make a difference?  It doesn't count unless it's pure altruism?  If you're going to go with that as a standard, you'll quickly find that there are no good deeds, with or without religion.


Actually, that is literally true.  Even doing good "for no reasons" fires off feel good chemicals in the brain.  You are getting something out of it.  You can't not get something out of it.
 
2014-05-16 01:31:12 AM  

sendtodave: tripleseven: sendtodave: tripleseven: sendtodave: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bill hates all religions. Sorry, you don't get to feel like a special little snowflake

But he doesn't let his hatred of religion color his thinking on religion, of course.

Wait, of course he does.

The argument still stands:  Doesn't the good things that people do in the name of religion outweigh, or at least counter, the bad?

And, because there those that use religion as a justification to be assholes, isn't it pretty shiatty to say that religion is the reason for that, and thus religious people are assholes?

No, because in pretty much all religions, the good deeds come with a hook.  Proselytizing, that's where it's at.

Why in fark not just do good in the name of humanity?

Because they aren't secular humanists?

The world would be a better place if they were.

If I see a person in need, I help them.  End of story.
I don't lie, cheat, steal, or do anything otherwise underhanded.  Because it's not the right thing to do.
No sky monster or fear of what will happen to me after I die influences that.

And so humble and modest, too.


It ain't bragging if it's true.

I have no reason to doubt that you are a good person.

But, did it take religion to make you that way?  Do you think you were born inherently bad?
 
2014-05-16 01:32:22 AM  
Also, I'd like to add that I would not have gotten off the streets if it were not for the kindness of religious people and organizations. If your religion gets you to be kinder, gentler, a better parent, kick a substance abuse problem, etc. then rock on with your religious self. I would never looks down my nose at someone for where they find inspiration.
 
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