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(The Raw Story)   Headline that clearly fell through a wormhole from an alternate reality: "Creationist Ken Ham: Atheists love 'pagan' Pat Robertson for making Christians looks silly"   (rawstory.com) divider line 44
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2014-05-15 04:03:29 PM
12 votes:
i.imgur.com
2014-05-15 03:16:42 PM
4 votes:
This is just further proof that we live in a multiverse and we happened to get lumped into one of the sh*ttier ones where George W Bush gets elected and re-elected, the Senate is about to be taken over by the do-nothing GOP, Comcast is allowed to merge with Time Warner, and this f*cknut can get funded for his wacky museum of bullsh*t.
2014-05-15 03:12:59 PM
4 votes:
These guys need to stop fighting. It's okay, they can both be wrong.
2014-05-15 03:51:45 PM
3 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: Kenned Ham!  Kanned Ham!  KE'AM!

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Kenned ham is pork that has been cured, pressed into a can, and steam cooked. The result is a very stable, albeit somewhat bland, food product. Unlike conventional ham, the Kenned variety will keep in less than ideal conditions, and since it tends to be made from cheap ingredients, it is a cheap source of protein. One of the most famous forms is SPAM®, a product that is not technically ham since it integrates several different cuts of meat.
2014-05-15 02:30:44 PM
3 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Remember when Pat Robinson was the extreme right wing Christian?

Me too. Good times. Good times.



There is always room to stake a even more Jesusy position than they guy who came before, and to these types extremism in the defense of "morality" is no vice.  Someday, someone will pop up to the right of Hamm (perhaps calling for returning to executing criminals by stoning instead of lethal injection)   and then a guy to the right even of THAT guy (calling for including wearing cotton-wool blends on the list of capital crimes)   until you some day some up and comer will be forced to ask "how much more Jesusy can I ber?" and the answer is none.  None More Jesusy
2014-05-15 02:19:33 PM
3 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.


Remember when Pat Robinson was the extreme right wing Christian?

Me too. Good times. Good times.
2014-05-15 02:15:46 PM
3 votes:
Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.
2014-05-15 04:41:17 PM
2 votes:

Mikey1969: The creationist attacked Robertson's comments point by point, accusing him of "utter ignorance of science" for disputing the "literal history" of the Bible - "as it is meant to be taken," Ham said, "as Jesus takes it."

Ummmm....

I don't even...

But....

How...

Fark it, I'm obviously not meant to understand that kind of "science".


Ken divides science into Historical Science (hint, it comes from the Bible) and observational science (things that confirm that which comes from the Bible.).

Basically, he's a modern day snake oil salesmen hiding behind a pulpit.
2014-05-15 04:28:25 PM
2 votes:
FTA:

The creationist attacked Robertson's comments point by point, accusing him of "utter ignorance of science" for disputing the "literal history" of the Bible - "as it is meant to be taken," Ham said, "as Jesus takes it."

and how exactly does Jesus take the bible?  last time i checked, he never wrote anything on the subject.
2014-05-15 04:07:14 PM
2 votes:
God made evolution.

*drops mic*
2014-05-15 04:00:48 PM
2 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: Kenned Ham!  Kanned Ham!  KE'AM!


Looks familiar. A relative of Ham Rove?
2014-05-15 11:37:07 PM
1 votes:

Fark like a Barsoomian: First Rupert Murdoch and now this asshole who makes Pat Robertson look good. What the fark, Astraya? What the fark did America ever do to you?


You'll notice that neither of them is in Australia, so I guess we did something right :P

\ You can probably keep Mel Gibson too.
\\ I see you've got the local pronunciation of Australia correct. :)
\\\ Slashies get lonely when they aren't in threes.
2014-05-15 08:16:20 PM
1 votes:

untaken_name: AbiNormal: What did he exist in before he created the heavens and the earth?

Assuming (for the sake of argument) the existence of a creator of the universe, the answer to your question would likely be beyond human comprehension. It would be like trying to explain our universe to the Sims.


Wow, that actually makes a great deal of sense.
2014-05-15 07:52:26 PM
1 votes:

AbiNormal: What did he exist in before he created the heavens and the earth?


Assuming (for the sake of argument) the existence of a creator of the universe, the answer to your question would likely be beyond human comprehension. It would be like trying to explain our universe to the Sims.
2014-05-15 06:28:03 PM
1 votes:

The_Hairy_Gooch: well antiquated arguments


Heh. Why bother with new arguments when you can use the old ones, eh?
2014-05-15 06:05:18 PM
1 votes:

tylerdurden217: AbiNormal: kling_klang_bed: We started loving Pat Robertson? Apparently my fellow atheists forgot to send me a memo.

I'm an atheist but I don't belong to any atheist groups. Does that make me anti atheist? Or atheist atheist? Which is atheist x atheist which is atheist2  which is √atheist. Cool

I think it makes you an agnatheist. Get it right.


One of these guys?

upload.wikimedia.org
2014-05-15 05:30:40 PM
1 votes:
I would love to see this internicene spat get a lot more attention, because it highlights that the Creationists like Ham are not just anti-evolution but anti-science.

Everything we learned over past 3000 years is wrong if it contradicts my interpretation of the Bible

But they have to argue that

Their dogma is built on sand, to pinch their own metaphor

If there was life before Adam and Eve that means there was death as well, and that destroys the point of Jesus' sacrifice

Jesus promised them eternal life if they believed, but the only evidence for that is in the Bible. So if the Bible is not literally true then how can we trust Jesus' promise?

A house built on foundations of sand

And being washed away by ridicule
2014-05-15 05:30:16 PM
1 votes:
hate Pat Robertson, Ken Ham and everyone else like them.. Mr. Ham should look into the mirror if he wants to see people who make Christianity look silly.. they're both a part of their own problem and need to pull their heads out of their arses soon... 'Cause some of us are getting tired of being accused of being just like them, by people who only cherry-picked the book at the center of it to tear people down for whatever reason.

Both extremist nutjob Christians and Atheists do this; hate is hate.
2014-05-15 05:24:22 PM
1 votes:
Bishop Ussher by the  way  did not think his time table was set in stone or anything more than a general indicator. What Ussher achieved was really remarkable. There was no science of the day that could even venture a guess at how old the world was. Using the Bible made sense in Ussher's day but if the man were alive today he would most likely have polled various scientists on the age of the world and come up with a figure of the earth being billions of years old. Ussher was just trying to create  a yardstick, he certainly never took it as seriously as the dolts who cite his calculations do. Other thinkers before and during his time believed that the world was vastly old buy until the development of geology and other sciences no one had anything like a tool for measuring the age of the earth.
2014-05-15 05:18:18 PM
1 votes:

skozlaw: [i.imgur.com image 850x518]


I watched the entire debate. It was joke. Bill was fantastic, and he made complete and utter sense with well antiquated arguments. Then Ken would come up and herp a derp. The sad part though is I don't think Bill's position can ever change any of their minds. They are so deeply impeded in their beliefs nothing you do or say can change them. In fact, I think it only helps cement themselves in that position. It's the Faux News conundrum, when someone tells you things contrary to your beliefs they perceive it as you calling them dump and they dig an even deeper trench to situate themselves in.
2014-05-15 04:59:56 PM
1 votes:
Protestant Fight!!!
2014-05-15 04:52:44 PM
1 votes:
Ken, the only person who makes Christians looks sillier than you is Eric Hovind. (And maybe Ian Jubee on a bad day.) Your lot are the biggest jokes in the Christian world. Even William Lane Craig thinks you YECs are idiots.
2014-05-15 04:38:37 PM
1 votes:

blatz514: Magorn: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Remember when Pat Robinson was the extreme right wing Christian?

Me too. Good times. Good times.


There is always room to stake a even more Jesusy position than they guy who came before, and to these types extremism in the defense of "morality" is no vice.  Someday, someone will pop up to the right of Hamm (perhaps calling for returning to executing criminals by stoning instead of lethal injection)   and then a guy to the right even of THAT guy (calling for including wearing cotton-wool blends on the list of capital crimes)   until you some day some up and comer will be forced to ask "how much more Jesusy can I ber?" and the answer is none.  None More Jesusy

Just for shiats, I GIS'd that.  The results were alright..

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 501x568]


That picture is misleading due to poor lighting

img.fark.net

That's teh real difference
2014-05-15 04:33:38 PM
1 votes:

kid_icarus: AbiNormal: kling_klang_bed: We started loving Pat Robertson? Apparently my fellow atheists forgot to send me a memo.

I'm an atheist but I don't belong to any atheist groups. Does that make me anti atheist? Or atheist atheist? Which is atheist x atheist which is atheist2  which is √atheist. Cool

You're an apathetic atheist.


Apatheist
2014-05-15 04:32:08 PM
1 votes:

Mikey1969: The creationist attacked Robertson's comments point by point, accusing him of "utter ignorance of science" for disputing the "literal history" of the Bible - "as it is meant to be taken," Ham said, "as Jesus takes it."

Ummmm....

I don't even...

But....

How...

Fark it, I'm obviously not meant to understand that kind of "science".


Especially as The Bible, (not this current version of it, but lets go with the original put together version, where various Bishops took in various bits, and took out others), was done WAYYY after the time of Yeshua, aka Jesus.That Jewish Rabbi.
2014-05-15 04:27:44 PM
1 votes:

skozlaw: [i.imgur.com image 850x518]


Ya know, I can't help but suspect that both sides see what they want in that image. To me, it makes Ham look like a fool who isn't worth dealing with since he's wedded to his idea. But I'm sure to his supporters, he looks like a hero for standing by what's right in the face of dastardly eggheads trying to take advantage of them. The one whose faith is strongest wins. I'm sure that's very attractive to them, because "faith" they can do; it doesn't require any effort or study.
2014-05-15 04:25:31 PM
1 votes:
David Koresh had a contest to see if he or another competing evangelist could raise a man from the dead.

I hope this tiff between Pat and Ham descends into the same kind of contest. With live chat lines while viewers watch the corpse rot away.
2014-05-15 04:23:05 PM
1 votes:
Is there an interview out there where someone asks Hamm the simple question of his Bible is the same as every other version, let alone the same as the LAST translation of his version before this one?

I think we need to sit down with a modern Bible and try to recreate Ussher's arithmetic and see what Hamm has to say about that. Hell, Ussher used pretty shaky numbers when he came up with this stupid theory.
2014-05-15 04:22:07 PM
1 votes:

blatz514: Magorn: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Remember when Pat Robinson was the extreme right wing Christian?

Me too. Good times. Good times.


There is always room to stake a even more Jesusy position than they guy who came before, and to these types extremism in the defense of "morality" is no vice.  Someday, someone will pop up to the right of Hamm (perhaps calling for returning to executing criminals by stoning instead of lethal injection)   and then a guy to the right even of THAT guy (calling for including wearing cotton-wool blends on the list of capital crimes)   until you some day some up and comer will be forced to ask "how much more Jesusy can I ber?" and the answer is none.  None More Jesusy

Just for shiats, I GIS'd that.  The results were alright..

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 501x568]


The atheist has the nicer rack.
2014-05-15 04:18:07 PM
1 votes:
Pat Robertson celebrates Christmas and Easter, two of the biggest pagan holidays in existence. Nothing weird with labeling people by their actions, is there? It's not a value judgement. If you celebrate pagan holidays, people should be forgiven for mistaking you for a pagan, if you aren't one.
2014-05-15 04:15:53 PM
1 votes:
We started loving Pat Robertson? Apparently my fellow atheists forgot to send me a memo.
2014-05-15 04:15:45 PM
1 votes:

Martian_Astronomer: "Really Pat Robertson?" Ham said. "You mean there is no way God, the infinite Creator, could not have created the universe in six days just six thousand years ago? God could have created everything in six seconds if He wanted too!"

...I know that Ken Ham has made a career out of missing the point, but the way in which he misses the point here is more severe than usual. A God who's willing to engage in solipsistic, reality-altering deception has a lot of unpleasant theological implications...

(Also, I bet that Ken Ham would still probably argue with Augustine, who made a similar point for different reasons.)


They'd both argue with Augustine - he was Catholic.
2014-05-15 04:11:37 PM
1 votes:
GOD HATES HAM

// Lev. 11:7-8
2014-05-15 04:10:50 PM
1 votes:
Oh look, they are cannibalizing their own now.
2014-05-15 04:05:48 PM
1 votes:
Well, as long as they're fighting with each other, they are leaving the rest of us alone.

So, win.
2014-05-15 04:05:12 PM
1 votes:
"Really Pat Robertson?" Ham said. "You mean there is no way God, the infinite Creator, could not have created the universe in six days just six thousand years ago? God could have created everything in six seconds if He wanted too!"

...I know that Ken Ham has made a career out of missing the point, but the way in which he misses the point here is more severe than usual. A God who's willing to engage in solipsistic, reality-altering deception has a lot of unpleasant theological implications...

(Also, I bet that Ken Ham would still probably argue with Augustine, who made a similar point for different reasons.)
2014-05-15 04:05:06 PM
1 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.


Yeah, it's gotta be at least, like 6200 years old or so.


Jaymark108: "Really Pat Robertson?" Ham said. "You mean there is no way God, the infinite Creator, could not have created the universe in six days just six thousand years ago? God could have created everything in six seconds if He wanted too!"

Reminds me of this:

"My dad could beat up your dad!"


Sounds like if two brothers were fighting, and one of them used that line.
2014-05-15 04:03:45 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Remember when Pat Robinson was the extreme right wing Christian?

Me too. Good times. Good times.


There is always room to stake a even more Jesusy position than they guy who came before, and to these types extremism in the defense of "morality" is no vice.  Someday, someone will pop up to the right of Hamm (perhaps calling for returning to executing criminals by stoning instead of lethal injection)   and then a guy to the right even of THAT guy (calling for including wearing cotton-wool blends on the list of capital crimes)   until you some day some up and comer will be forced to ask "how much more Jesusy can I ber?" and the answer is none.  None More Jesusy


You're mixing your Testaments. Jesus wasn't in the original Bible. He didn't get added until Bible 2.0, so technically all of that Old Testament stuff isn't "Jesusy". "Jewey", maybe? I don't know.
2014-05-15 04:02:40 PM
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Remember when Pat Robinson was the extreme right wing Christian?

Me too. Good times. Good times.


Came here to say that. I wonder if Robertson is getting softer in his old age, or the fundies are getting fundier.
2014-05-15 03:57:49 PM
1 votes:
"Really Pat Robertson?" Ham said. "You mean there is no way God, the infinite Creator, could not have created the universe in six days just six thousand years ago? God could have created everything in six seconds if He wanted too!"

Reminds me of this:

"My dad could beat up your dad!"
2014-05-15 03:57:48 PM
1 votes:
And both of them make even the most conservative of the Liturgical sects roll our eyes (not that we don't have our problems, but seriously).
2014-05-15 03:25:21 PM
1 votes:

bdub77: This is just further proof that we live in a multiverse and we happened to get lumped into one of the sh*ttier ones where George W Bush gets elected and re-elected, the Senate is about to be taken over by the do-nothing GOP, Comcast is allowed to merge with Time Warner, and this f*cknut can get funded for his wacky museum of bullsh*t.


I've been wearing this goatee for years waiting for the wormhole to open up and suck me into the Spockbeard universe where everyone acts like a pirate.

Still waiting.
2014-05-15 02:37:19 PM
1 votes:
And both of them will be taken to task by the people who believe the sun revolves around the earth.
2014-05-15 02:27:49 PM
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Remember when Pat Robinson was the extreme right wing Christian?

Me too. Good times. Good times.


He still is.  He just happens to think Ken Ham is causing more damage to the faith than Pat's hatred of the gay.
 
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