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2014-05-15 04:32:28 PM  

AbiNormal: kling_klang_bed: We started loving Pat Robertson? Apparently my fellow atheists forgot to send me a memo.

I'm an atheist but I don't belong to any atheist groups. Does that make me anti atheist? Or atheist atheist? Which is atheist x atheist which is atheist2  which is √atheist. Cool


I find atheist groups to be just a bit kookoo.
 
2014-05-15 04:32:29 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Dr Dreidel: GOD HATES HAM

// Lev. 11:7-8

It really is a damn Shem, too.


Japhether stop making stupid puns along this ark; Noah way it ends well.
 
2014-05-15 04:33:31 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.  But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.


One of them is a successful businessman who's made a career out of scamming old people on TV.

The other actually believes what he says.

So they're pretty different.  Both of them are more scary than funny, as far as complete jokes go.
 
2014-05-15 04:33:38 PM  

kid_icarus: AbiNormal: kling_klang_bed: We started loving Pat Robertson? Apparently my fellow atheists forgot to send me a memo.

I'm an atheist but I don't belong to any atheist groups. Does that make me anti atheist? Or atheist atheist? Which is atheist x atheist which is atheist2  which is √atheist. Cool

You're an apathetic atheist.


Apatheist
 
2014-05-15 04:35:56 PM  

Dr Dreidel: kid_icarus: AbiNormal: kling_klang_bed: We started loving Pat Robertson? Apparently my fellow atheists forgot to send me a memo.

I'm an atheist but I don't belong to any atheist groups. Does that make me anti atheist? Or atheist atheist? Which is atheist x atheist which is atheist2  which is √atheist. Cool

You're an apathetic atheist.

Apatheist


We suck as a group since none of us care about the group and refuse to even acknowledge it's existence as a thing.
 
2014-05-15 04:37:20 PM  

Magorn: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Remember when Pat Robinson was the extreme right wing Christian?

Me too. Good times. Good times.


There is always room to stake a even more Jesusy position than they guy who came before, and to these types extremism in the defense of "morality" is no vice.  Someday, someone will pop up to the right of Hamm (perhaps calling for returning to executing criminals by stoning instead of lethal injection)   and then a guy to the right even of THAT guy (calling for including wearing cotton-wool blends on the list of capital crimes)   until you some day some up and comer will be forced to ask "how much more Jesusy can I ber?" and the answer is none.  None More Jesusy


When they start railing away about double bacon cheeseburgers and shrimps in the barbie I know a few people (and cats) who are going to be a bit upset.
 
2014-05-15 04:38:37 PM  

blatz514: Magorn: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Remember when Pat Robinson was the extreme right wing Christian?

Me too. Good times. Good times.


There is always room to stake a even more Jesusy position than they guy who came before, and to these types extremism in the defense of "morality" is no vice.  Someday, someone will pop up to the right of Hamm (perhaps calling for returning to executing criminals by stoning instead of lethal injection)   and then a guy to the right even of THAT guy (calling for including wearing cotton-wool blends on the list of capital crimes)   until you some day some up and comer will be forced to ask "how much more Jesusy can I ber?" and the answer is none.  None More Jesusy

Just for shiats, I GIS'd that.  The results were alright..

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 501x568]


That picture is misleading due to poor lighting

img.fark.net

That's teh real difference
 
2014-05-15 04:38:54 PM  

Dr Dreidel: kid_icarus: AbiNormal: kling_klang_bed: We started loving Pat Robertson? Apparently my fellow atheists forgot to send me a memo.

I'm an atheist but I don't belong to any atheist groups. Does that make me anti atheist? Or atheist atheist? Which is atheist x atheist which is atheist2  which is √atheist. Cool

You're an apathetic atheist.

Apatheist


That sounds about right.
 
2014-05-15 04:39:09 PM  

blatz514: Magorn: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Remember when Pat Robinson was the extreme right wing Christian?

Me too. Good times. Good times.


There is always room to stake a even more Jesusy position than they guy who came before, and to these types extremism in the defense of "morality" is no vice.  Someday, someone will pop up to the right of Hamm (perhaps calling for returning to executing criminals by stoning instead of lethal injection)   and then a guy to the right even of THAT guy (calling for including wearing cotton-wool blends on the list of capital crimes)   until you some day some up and comer will be forced to ask "how much more Jesusy can I ber?" and the answer is none.  None More Jesusy

Just for shiats, I GIS'd that.  The results were alright..

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 501x568]


The Christian girl is cuter. Plus she probably does anal.
 
2014-05-15 04:39:33 PM  
whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-05-15 04:39:51 PM  
I've been promoting Apatheism for a long time, but it's hard to get people excited about it.
 
2014-05-15 04:41:17 PM  

Mikey1969: The creationist attacked Robertson's comments point by point, accusing him of "utter ignorance of science" for disputing the "literal history" of the Bible - "as it is meant to be taken," Ham said, "as Jesus takes it."

Ummmm....

I don't even...

But....

How...

Fark it, I'm obviously not meant to understand that kind of "science".


Ken divides science into Historical Science (hint, it comes from the Bible) and observational science (things that confirm that which comes from the Bible.).

Basically, he's a modern day snake oil salesmen hiding behind a pulpit.
 
2014-05-15 04:41:38 PM  
Dumb versus dumber
 
2014-05-15 04:42:33 PM  

soporific: And both of them will be taken to task by the people who believe the sun revolves around the earth.


HERETIC! That would assume the Earth is round.


LazerFish: I've been promoting Apatheism for a long time, but it's hard to get people excited about it.


I'm actually ordained in the Church of the Apathetic Agnostic.

♫We don't know and we don't care, doo-dah, doo-dah♫
 
2014-05-15 04:44:10 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: blatz514: Magorn: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Remember when Pat Robinson was the extreme right wing Christian?

Me too. Good times. Good times.


There is always room to stake a even more Jesusy position than they guy who came before, and to these types extremism in the defense of "morality" is no vice.  Someday, someone will pop up to the right of Hamm (perhaps calling for returning to executing criminals by stoning instead of lethal injection)   and then a guy to the right even of THAT guy (calling for including wearing cotton-wool blends on the list of capital crimes)   until you some day some up and comer will be forced to ask "how much more Jesusy can I ber?" and the answer is none.  None More Jesusy

Just for shiats, I GIS'd that.  The results were alright..

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 501x568]

The atheist has the nicer rack.


That's because it was intelligently designed.
 
2014-05-15 04:47:58 PM  
First Rupert Murdoch and now this asshole who makes Pat Robertson look good. What the fark, Astraya? What the fark did America ever do to you?
 
2014-05-15 04:49:56 PM  

gregario: The Christian girl is cuter. Plus she probably does anal.


catholic typing detected.
 
2014-05-15 04:52:34 PM  

pute kisses like a man: FTA:

The creationist attacked Robertson's comments point by point, accusing him of "utter ignorance of science" for disputing the "literal history" of the Bible - "as it is meant to be taken," Ham said, "as Jesus takes it."

and how exactly does Jesus take the bible?  last time i checked, he never wrote anything on the subject.


I didn't even notice that when I read the article.  Good catch.
 
2014-05-15 04:52:44 PM  
Ken, the only person who makes Christians looks sillier than you is Eric Hovind. (And maybe Ian Jubee on a bad day.) Your lot are the biggest jokes in the Christian world. Even William Lane Craig thinks you YECs are idiots.
 
2014-05-15 04:59:56 PM  
Protestant Fight!!!
 
2014-05-15 05:04:58 PM  

wildcardjack: I_Am_Weasel: Kenned Ham!  Kanned Ham!  KE'AM!

Looks familiar. A relative of Ham Rove?


Maybe this one

i59.tinypic.com
 
2014-05-15 05:18:18 PM  

skozlaw: [i.imgur.com image 850x518]


I watched the entire debate. It was joke. Bill was fantastic, and he made complete and utter sense with well antiquated arguments. Then Ken would come up and herp a derp. The sad part though is I don't think Bill's position can ever change any of their minds. They are so deeply impeded in their beliefs nothing you do or say can change them. In fact, I think it only helps cement themselves in that position. It's the Faux News conundrum, when someone tells you things contrary to your beliefs they perceive it as you calling them dump and they dig an even deeper trench to situate themselves in.
 
2014-05-15 05:22:07 PM  

blatz514: Magorn: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Remember when Pat Robinson was the extreme right wing Christian?

Me too. Good times. Good times.


There is always room to stake a even more Jesusy position than they guy who came before, and to these types extremism in the defense of "morality" is no vice.  Someday, someone will pop up to the right of Hamm (perhaps calling for returning to executing criminals by stoning instead of lethal injection)   and then a guy to the right even of THAT guy (calling for including wearing cotton-wool blends on the list of capital crimes)   until you some day some up and comer will be forced to ask "how much more Jesusy can I ber?" and the answer is none.  None More Jesusy

Just for shiats, I GIS'd that.  The results were alright..

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 501x568]


Wow, that search brings up a whole lot of random.
 
2014-05-15 05:24:22 PM  
Bishop Ussher by the  way  did not think his time table was set in stone or anything more than a general indicator. What Ussher achieved was really remarkable. There was no science of the day that could even venture a guess at how old the world was. Using the Bible made sense in Ussher's day but if the man were alive today he would most likely have polled various scientists on the age of the world and come up with a figure of the earth being billions of years old. Ussher was just trying to create  a yardstick, he certainly never took it as seriously as the dolts who cite his calculations do. Other thinkers before and during his time believed that the world was vastly old buy until the development of geology and other sciences no one had anything like a tool for measuring the age of the earth.
 
2014-05-15 05:30:16 PM  
hate Pat Robertson, Ken Ham and everyone else like them.. Mr. Ham should look into the mirror if he wants to see people who make Christianity look silly.. they're both a part of their own problem and need to pull their heads out of their arses soon... 'Cause some of us are getting tired of being accused of being just like them, by people who only cherry-picked the book at the center of it to tear people down for whatever reason.

Both extremist nutjob Christians and Atheists do this; hate is hate.
 
2014-05-15 05:30:29 PM  
In Ken Ham's defense, it is true that Pat Robertson utters ignorance of science. I mean, it's the pot calling the kettle, but still.
 
2014-05-15 05:30:40 PM  
I would love to see this internicene spat get a lot more attention, because it highlights that the Creationists like Ham are not just anti-evolution but anti-science.

Everything we learned over past 3000 years is wrong if it contradicts my interpretation of the Bible

But they have to argue that

Their dogma is built on sand, to pinch their own metaphor

If there was life before Adam and Eve that means there was death as well, and that destroys the point of Jesus' sacrifice

Jesus promised them eternal life if they believed, but the only evidence for that is in the Bible. So if the Bible is not literally true then how can we trust Jesus' promise?

A house built on foundations of sand

And being washed away by ridicule
 
2014-05-15 05:31:07 PM  
Christianity makes christianity look silly.  Just as islam makes islam look violent and judaism makes judaism look anachronistic.
 
2014-05-15 05:31:11 PM  
God damn, I love it when they turn on each other. Give them each a chainsaw and put them in the Thunderdome. Let's see some blood!
 
2014-05-15 05:33:11 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: blatz514: Magorn: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow:
...
That picture is misleading due to poor lighting

[img.fark.net image 501x568]

That's teh real difference


My friend's an atheist, and he doesn't have bigger tits.
 
2014-05-15 05:33:47 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Dr Dreidel: GOD HATES HAM

// Lev. 11:7-8

It really is a damn Shem, too.


I'm rather Japhethetic about the whole thing.
 
2014-05-15 05:35:44 PM  

Mikey1969: Is there an interview out there where someone asks Hamm the simple question of his Bible is the same as every other version, let alone the same as the LAST translation of his version before this one?

I think we need to sit down with a modern Bible and try to recreate Ussher's arithmetic and see what Hamm has to say about that. Hell, Ussher used pretty shaky numbers when he came up with this stupid theory.


It's based on the lifespans of people supposedly living for 100's of years

Which we now know to be unpossible

So literalists have to invent new, non-biblical reasons for these long lives and why it doesn't happen any more

"Oh God changed the rules after Noah's Flood"

- Really? Where does it say that?

"Well it doesn't but I need it to have happened to paper over the holes in my story"
 
2014-05-15 05:36:36 PM  

AbiNormal: kling_klang_bed: We started loving Pat Robertson? Apparently my fellow atheists forgot to send me a memo.

I'm an atheist but I don't belong to any atheist groups. Does that make me anti atheist? Or atheist atheist? Which is atheist x atheist which is atheist2  which is √atheist. Cool


Makes you the athiest.
 
2014-05-15 05:38:29 PM  

AbiNormal: kling_klang_bed: We started loving Pat Robertson? Apparently my fellow atheists forgot to send me a memo.

I'm an atheist but I don't belong to any atheist groups. Does that make me anti atheist? Or atheist atheist? Which is atheist x atheist which is atheist2  which is √atheist. Cool


I think it makes you an agnatheist. Get it right.
 
2014-05-15 05:43:08 PM  

mjjt: Mikey1969: Is there an interview out there where someone asks Hamm the simple question of his Bible is the same as every other version, let alone the same as the LAST translation of his version before this one?

I think we need to sit down with a modern Bible and try to recreate Ussher's arithmetic and see what Hamm has to say about that. Hell, Ussher used pretty shaky numbers when he came up with this stupid theory.

It's based on the lifespans of people supposedly living for 100's of years

Which we now know to be unpossible

So literalists have to invent new, non-biblical reasons for these long lives and why it doesn't happen any more

"Oh God changed the rules after Noah's Flood"

- Really? Where does it say that?

"Well it doesn't but I need it to have happened to paper over the holes in my story"


Yeah, I was just gonna let the Methuzelah thing slide... I figured they have enough to worry about so both side of the board even out.
 
2014-05-15 05:50:21 PM  

Jaymark108: pute kisses like a man: FTA:

The creationist attacked Robertson's comments point by point, accusing him of "utter ignorance of science" for disputing the "literal history" of the Bible - "as it is meant to be taken," Ham said, "as Jesus takes it."

and how exactly does Jesus take the bible?  last time i checked, he never wrote anything on the subject.

I didn't even notice that when I read the article.  Good catch.


i was trying to be funny, since Jesus never wrote anything.  but, i really dislike that people listen to these false prophets.  i mean, i study shiat, and confound my faith on a daily basis.  it is as much doubt as faith.  or, unknowing, as faith, a lost, listless drifting, when it comes to the spiritual, that hitches to one thought permanently, that i should do good, regardless of my ignorance.  and by good, it means real good, not other worldly good.

(i just wrote a lot, and then deleted it because it was religious and this is the internet.  out of spite i'm leaving this comment that i wrote a lot and deleted it.  the spite is not towards you.  it's towards myself.  or my fark self.  below is a conclusion of the longwinded omission)

these sciences are allowing us to improve the lives of millions if not billions of people.  whether they define the absolute truth, or merely create enough of a presumption to add predictability to an otherwise hostile world, it sure is nice in the long run.  improving our understanding of the universe improves our ability to increase the quality and worth of human life.  to oppose this is to hinder and perhaps prevent improving billions of lives.  for what?  pride?  that, in my opinion, is about as un-christian as you can get.
 
2014-05-15 05:58:35 PM  

Mikey1969: Is there an interview out there where someone asks Hamm the simple question of his Bible is the same as every other version, let alone the same as the LAST translation of his version before this one?

I think we need to sit down with a modern Bible and try to recreate Ussher's arithmetic and see what Hamm has to say about that. Hell, Ussher used pretty shaky numbers when he came up with this stupid theory.


there's an explanation for this.  the historical progression of translated bible versions until it reached person "X" was guided by the holy spirit.  therefore, that specific version is more godly than all other versions.

/ it reminds me of a bumper sticker i saw once: "a child is never wrong"... to which i asked in abject horror, "what if two children disagree?!"
// actually, it was a friend of mine who said that.  he was always more clever.  but, telling the truth ruined my timing.
 
2014-05-15 06:04:53 PM  

elbows_deep_silent_queef: Ctrl-Alt-Del: blatz514: Magorn: Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow:
...
That picture is misleading due to poor lighting

[img.fark.net image 501x568]

That's teh real difference

My friend's an atheist, and he doesn't have bigger tits.


His tits are the same size?
 
2014-05-15 06:05:18 PM  

tylerdurden217: AbiNormal: kling_klang_bed: We started loving Pat Robertson? Apparently my fellow atheists forgot to send me a memo.

I'm an atheist but I don't belong to any atheist groups. Does that make me anti atheist? Or atheist atheist? Which is atheist x atheist which is atheist2  which is √atheist. Cool

I think it makes you an agnatheist. Get it right.


One of these guys?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-05-15 06:05:18 PM  

Delawheredad: Bishop Ussher by the  way  did not think his time table was set in stone or anything more than a general indicator. What Ussher achieved was really remarkable. There was no science of the day that could even venture a guess at how old the world was. Using the Bible made sense in Ussher's day but if the man were alive today he would most likely have polled various scientists on the age of the world and come up with a figure of the earth being billions of years old. Ussher was just trying to create  a yardstick, he certainly never took it as seriously as the dolts who cite his calculations do. Other thinkers before and during his time believed that the world was vastly old buy until the development of geology and other sciences no one had anything like a tool for measuring the age of the earth.


Exactly. He did the best he could with the tools at hand. We've just developed better tools since then.
 
2014-05-15 06:13:32 PM  

Mikey1969: The creationist attacked Robertson's comments point by point, accusing him of "utter ignorance of science" for disputing the "literal history" of the Bible - "as it is meant to be taken," Ham said, "as Jesus takes it."

Ummmm....

I don't even...

But....

How...

Fark it, I'm obviously not meant to understand that kind of "science".


I think he means that Jesus knew better than to take everything in the Old Testament as the literal truth, like say, Noah taking literally two of every animal in his Ark, or maybe since it says elsewhere that "a day is unto 10,000 years, and 10,000 years is unto a day" to good old dad; and maybe, just  maybe it took a  weebit longer than 6 rotations of Earth to create everything.


He just lacks the eloquence to express that clearly and comes across as a rambling douche, which he kind of is.
 
2014-05-15 06:17:10 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: scottydoesntknow: Both of them are a complete joke.

But at least one of them believes the earth is older than 6,000 years.

Remember when Pat Robinson was the extreme right wing Christian?

Me too. Good times. Good times.


Actually, I get the impression that he is more extreme now than he used to be. Wasn't he at one time relatively moderate as God botherers go? I'm sure I saw something on youtube from some time back where he said something sensible.
 
2014-05-15 06:25:40 PM  
I feel sad for Ken Ham.  It must suck to be even stupider than Pat Robertson.
 
2014-05-15 06:25:43 PM  

0z79: and maybe, just  maybe it took a  weebit longer than 6 rotations of Earth to create everything.


i know a physicist... or a math professor, i totally forgot what he did for a life... but, he said he could make 6 days our time take about 14 billion years if he wanted to.  i think it had to do with gravities and forces and dramatic adjustments of measuring time through the big bang til now.  i was drunk, but he was very proud of his theory.
 
2014-05-15 06:28:03 PM  

The_Hairy_Gooch: well antiquated arguments


Heh. Why bother with new arguments when you can use the old ones, eh?
 
2014-05-15 06:34:22 PM  
ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2014-05-15 06:37:20 PM  

TheShavingofOccam123: David Koresh had a contest to see if he or another competing evangelist could raise a man from the dead.

I hope this tiff between Pat and Ham descends into the same kind of contest. With live chat lines while viewers watch the corpse rot away.


I'll back you up on that.

Koresh really did try to raise the dead.  And the shoot out at that complex that everyone knows about wasn't the first, or second, or third shootout.  The religious nutcases there had a bunch of shootouts.  That's how Koresh got control of the place.

During one of the the shootouts, the cops eventually showed up.  At that time, Koresh and friends were in control of the compound, and some other offshoot of their crazy religion were trying to chase them off and take over.  When the cops showed up, the ones trying to invade claimed that Koresh had dug up a corpse and had it in the church with plans to raise the dead.  Naturally, the cops took a look.  Sure enough, they found a corpse, freshly dug up, in the church.  I'm sure everyone will be shocked to hear that he didn't seem to have much luck with that raise the dead thing.
 
2014-05-15 06:51:58 PM  
I demand a trial by combat!

/maybe they'll both die
 
2014-05-15 06:57:00 PM  
seecolombia.travel

/got nothin'
 
2014-05-15 06:58:48 PM  
s14.postimg.org
La-la-la I can't hear you,
 
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