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(CNN)   Japan loosening reins on military? European politician annexing large portions of neighbor? Why does this feel familliar?   (cnn.com) divider line 150
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2014-05-15 12:24:07 PM
Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.
 
2014-05-15 12:56:41 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.


History doesn't repeat.  It rhymes.
 
2014-05-15 01:20:10 PM
That's just great

/now they'll want to reboot Dr. Strangelove
 
2014-05-15 01:24:46 PM
Now that they're our friends, I kinda like the idea of arming the shiate out of those crazy Germans and Japanese. I mean, if I had to look over my shoulder in a facedown with poooty I would like to see some foaming at the mouth Germans and Japanese behind me.

I mean, what could go wrong?
 
2014-05-15 02:13:14 PM
Japan of 2014 isnt Japan of 1932

Plus, Russia has always been one of those wildcards.

So no, this aint nothing like WWII
 
2014-05-15 02:45:48 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Now that they're our friends, I kinda like the idea of arming the shiate out of those crazy Germans and Japanese. I mean, if I had to look over my shoulder in a facedown with poooty I would like to see some foaming at the mouth Germans and Japanese behind me.

I mean, what could go wrong?


I'd rather have them in front of me.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-15 03:00:16 PM
HMS_Blinkin:
I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.

No Russia was ruled by a dictator who wore a shirt 1939.  I can't even imagine Stalin posing for homo-erotic photos with a tiger.
 
2014-05-15 03:26:19 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Now that they're our friends, I kinda like the idea of arming the shiate out of those crazy Germans and Japanese. I mean, if I had to look over my shoulder in a facedown with poooty I would like to see some foaming at the mouth Germans and Japanese behind me.

I mean, what could go wrong?


Tentacle scat rape ?
 
2014-05-15 03:27:39 PM
37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-15 03:28:07 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Now that they're our friends, I kinda like the idea of arming the shiate out of those crazy Germans and Japanese. I mean, if I had to look over my shoulder in a facedown with poooty I would like to see some foaming at the mouth Germans and Japanese behind me.

I mean, what could go wrong?


Maybe they didn't switch sides after the war. Maybe we did.

Just kidding. Geopolitical realignments happen with regularity.
 
2014-05-15 03:28:31 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.


The uniforms were a lot cooler back then.
 
2014-05-15 03:30:27 PM
I think the question on everyone's mind is, how will this affect anime?
 
2014-05-15 03:30:29 PM
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to.....watch repeats of "Ice Truckers" or something.
 
2014-05-15 03:30:34 PM
If I'm gonna have a Fascist military at my disposal, I'm going to want the Japanese.
 
2014-05-15 03:31:37 PM
this is kind of fun to play with...

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
 
2014-05-15 03:31:38 PM

ChipNASA: [37.media.tumblr.com image 384x288]


"You put your left foot in.  You take your left foot out.  You put your left foot in and make a  lampshade out of some guy's back skin."
 
2014-05-15 03:32:26 PM
are we predicting Russo-Japanese War part II? That would be a sequel worth watching.

/spoiler alert, Teddy Roosevelt rises from the grave to end the war
//with his big stick
 
2014-05-15 03:32:27 PM

ChipNASA: [37.media.tumblr.com image 384x288]


Der Fuhrer had some swingin' moves.
 
2014-05-15 03:32:31 PM

cgraves67: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Now that they're our friends, I kinda like the idea of arming the shiate out of those crazy Germans and Japanese. I mean, if I had to look over my shoulder in a facedown with poooty I would like to see some foaming at the mouth Germans and Japanese behind me.

I mean, what could go wrong?

Maybe they didn't switch sides after the war. Maybe we did.

Just kidding. Geopolitical realignments happen with regularity.


We have always been at war with EastAsia.
 
2014-05-15 03:34:06 PM
Is subby saying that we should expect Germany to bomb Pearl Harbor again?
 
2014-05-15 03:35:20 PM
Because subby is ignorant about history? Here's a project for you, subs. Look at the size of today's militaries compared to those in 1939, and the percentage of GDP spent on those militaries. (Link is for Germany vs. UK, but useful for comparison; Germany spent 17 percent of GDP on the military in 1937, compared to 4.5 percent today by Russia). Compared to the war machines of Imperial Japan and the USSR in the '30s, today's Japanese and Russian militaries are honor guards.
 
2014-05-15 03:35:39 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.


More like 1914.
 
2014-05-15 03:39:17 PM
I won't worry until the CHIldren of GeNghis KhAn decide they want to reconquer the lands that are now Russia.  That sounds like the start of WW3.
 
2014-05-15 03:40:26 PM

LazyMedia: Because subby is ignorant about history? Here's a project for you, subs. Look at the size of today's militaries compared to those in 1939, and the percentage of GDP spent on those militaries. (Link is for Germany vs. UK, but useful for comparison; Germany spent 17 percent of GDP on the military in 1937, compared to 4.5 percent today by Russia). Compared to the war machines of Imperial Japan and the USSR in the '30s, today's Japanese and Russian militaries are honor guards.


Mind you...

i.cfr.org
The combination of the end of the Cold War and this:

blogs.itmedia.co.jp

means that no one has money to spend on the military anymore.
 
2014-05-15 03:41:55 PM

Snarfangel: I think the question on everyone's mind is, how will this affect anime?


As long as it doesn't impact Attack on Titian Season 2 or Girls Und Panzers Season 2, we are fine.
 
2014-05-15 03:41:57 PM
Russia is in Europe?
 
2014-05-15 03:42:17 PM

vpb: HMS_Blinkin:
I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.

No Russia was ruled by a dictator who wore a shirt 1939.  I can't even imagine Stalin posing for homo-erotic photos with a tiger.


Well, it's not like he was as portrayed in official portraits.  At 5'4" tall with smallpox scars, a shortened arm and withered hand, it's not like he was a strapping example of manhood.
 
2014-05-15 03:43:01 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.


I didn't say it was the same. I said familliar.  You seem to agree to some extent.   I also took RIDICULOUS liberties with any reference to Japan.  Mostly I wanted to play with the Hillary Clinton suggestion that there are similarities between Crimea and Sudetenland.  Now if we ignore timing and our current recovery, maybe we can equate the great depression and our current economy.  We have an American populace reluctant to intervene in current international affairs. A potential new dustbowl brewing in the plains.

Were there some other geo-political issues around that time we could twist to force into this?
 
2014-05-15 03:43:24 PM

AngryDragon: HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.

The uniforms were a lot cooler back then.


Well, when http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss#Foundation Hugo Boss makes your uniforms, it's hard NOT to be a snappy dresser as you lay waste to an entire continent!
 
2014-05-15 03:43:37 PM

Robin Hoodie: are we predicting Russo-Japanese War part II? That would be a sequel worth watching.


It would end just like the first one.

The JMSDF would kick the shiat out of the Russian Pacific and Black Sea fleets and the JASDF would quickly obtain air supremacy, rendering the Russian ground forces impotent.

No matter what you call them, the Japanese military is a deadly competent force not to be farked with.
 
2014-05-15 03:45:10 PM

Snarfangel: I think the question on everyone's mind is, how will this affect anime?


That and I am freaking going there in just over a month. So if they could hold off until, say, August, that would be great.
 
2014-05-15 03:45:33 PM
FTFA:As things stand, Japan can only use its military, known as the Self-Defense Forces, to defend itself.

I imagine a man nodding knowingly while reading this as though it was some revelation to others who are beneath is razor cunning.
 
2014-05-15 03:45:36 PM

cman: Japan of 2014 isnt Japan of 1932

Plus, Russia has always been one of those wildcards.

So no, this aint nothing like WWII


It's actually a mirror image where Russia and China are the aggressor though I agree it is too simplistic.
 
2014-05-15 03:47:50 PM
there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".
 
2014-05-15 03:48:22 PM
I just wanted to say that I knew this was all coming when I saw how much military themed anime and merch Japan has been cranking out in the past few years....

Not giant robot stuff. But historical "look at what we used to do" kinda stuff...
 
2014-05-15 03:50:48 PM

Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".


That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

War with China would get in the way of making money
 
2014-05-15 03:53:25 PM

cman: Japan of 2014 isnt Japan of 1932

Plus, Russia has always been one of those wildcards.

So no, this aint nothing like WWII


This might be more like the Japan of the 1870s before the US convinced them that arming themselves and pushing off the islands would be a great idea.
 
2014-05-15 03:53:44 PM

Robin Hoodie: are we predicting Russo-Japanese War part II? That would be a sequel worth watching.

/spoiler alert, Teddy Roosevelt rises from the grave to end the war
//with his big stick


Well because of NATO a Russo-Turkish war is unlikely so, let's do this too bad nobody has dreadnought's anymore.
 
2014-05-15 03:54:42 PM

The Googles Do Nothing: cman: Japan of 2014 isnt Japan of 1932

Plus, Russia has always been one of those wildcards.

So no, this aint nothing like WWII

This might be more like the Japan of the 1870s before the US convinced them that arming themselves and pushing off the islands would be a great idea.


Of course, its always the fault of the United States. A water main breaks down-town Tokyo, blame the United States, amirite?
 
2014-05-15 03:55:13 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Russia is in Europe?


Up to the Volga river or is it the Urals?
 
2014-05-15 03:55:19 PM

cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that


That was the logic in 1914.
 
2014-05-15 03:55:27 PM
The Japanese have no parallel to the 30's.

However, compare Hitler and Putin:
Both are dictators that arose from democracy
Both fanned the flames of nationalism based on a lost war (WWI/cold)
Both demonized and criminalized minority groups to consolidate a populist base and to distract the public from their own misdeeds
Both annexed land based on "reuniting" its people

It's the exact same playbook, only this time the dictator has natural resources.  And nukes.
 
2014-05-15 03:56:51 PM

This text is now purple: cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

That was the logic in 1914.


Have a citation to back that up?
 
2014-05-15 03:58:07 PM

SquiggsIN: I won't worry until the CHIldren of GeNghis KhAn decide they want to reconquer the lands that are now Russia.  That sounds like the start of WW3.


You seem to think China is still ruled by those Mongolians with their women with big feet.
 
2014-05-15 03:58:54 PM
Am I bad that a part of me would love to see 99% of all men aged 18-25 sent overseas for a few years? I'm 34 and past the draft age, but I'm sure I could help out on the home front by comforting the lonely 18-25 year old women?
 
2014-05-15 03:59:38 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Russia is in Europe?


Yes, it is.  It's in Asia too.
 
2014-05-15 04:00:35 PM

cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for BOTH OF our economyIES

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

War with China would get in the way of making money


FTFY
 
2014-05-15 04:02:46 PM
those who fail to learn the lessons of history may need to repeat them next semester.
 
2014-05-15 04:03:56 PM

This text is now purple: cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

That was the logic in 1914.


Indeed, and he forget's how much money flows for military hardware in a war.

Increased national dept doesn't mean some people don't get richer
 
2014-05-15 04:04:29 PM

nocturnal001: Am I bad that a part of me would love to see 99% of all men aged 18-25 sent overseas for a few years? I'm 34 and past the draft age, but I'm sure I could help out on the home front by comforting the lonely 18-25 year old women?


Listen... we need to move on this.  You start up the propaganda machine.  I'll call every military contractor I've ever met and get them on board.

But we are going to need more than Russia this time, can we drag china into this?  We need a land war in asia to it right.
 
2014-05-15 04:06:12 PM

cman: I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that


Businesses often make an insane amount of money during wartime.

Paying the bills afterwards can, however, be a real PITA.
 
2014-05-15 04:09:05 PM

Kahabut: nocturnal001: Am I bad that a part of me would love to see 99% of all men aged 18-25 sent overseas for a few years? I'm 34 and past the draft age, but I'm sure I could help out on the home front by comforting the lonely 18-25 year old women?

Listen... we need to move on this.  You start up the propaganda machine.  I'll call every military contractor I've ever met and get them on board.

But we are going to need more than Russia this time, can we drag china into this?  We need a land war in asia to it right.


Yess, I like how that sounds...land war in asia...

It has a nice ring to it.  I wonder why nobidy thought of it before?
 
2014-05-15 04:09:41 PM
history is a loop, international history doubly so
 
2014-05-15 04:11:19 PM

Snarfangel: I think the question on everyone's mind is, how will this affect anime?


As long as there are sexually terrified man children, there will be anime.
 
2014-05-15 04:11:55 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Russia is in Europe?


some of it is
 
2014-05-15 04:14:40 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Russia is in Europe?

Up to the Volga river or is it the Urals?


The Urals. The part with 90 percent of the population? That's in Europe. Asian Russia is Siberia.
 
2014-05-15 04:14:48 PM
It sounds like too much wealth has been created and distributed into too many hands.

IT'S TIME FOR A LITTLE CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH THROUGH THE USE OF WAR!!1!

/the real nice thing is if you are in the right class, you can make enormous profits by selling military equipment while transferring wealth from casualties. AT THE SAME TIME!!1! It's a win-win.
 
2014-05-15 04:17:10 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: It sounds like too much wealth has been created and distributed into too many hands.

IT'S TIME FOR A LITTLE CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH THROUGH THE USE OF WAR!!1!

/the real nice thing is if you are in the right class, you can make enormous profits by selling military equipment while transferring wealth from casualties. AT THE SAME TIME!!1! It's a win-win.


That is pure, unadulterated snake oil, right there. Wealth has been becoming more and more concentrated in fewer hands since 1980. You know the last time there was a vast redistribution of wealth in this country and a lot less income and wealth disparity? In the late '40s and the 1950s, after World War II, because of the GI bill and other distributive programs for veterans.

/Not that I'm for war, now, but only a few plutocrats benefit financially from it. Most plutocrats hate war, because it's bad for trade.
 
2014-05-15 04:18:07 PM

Magnanimous_J: Snarfangel: I think the question on everyone's mind is, how will this affect anime?

As long as there are sexually terrified man children, there will be anime.


Anime isn't that popular with the Mormons
 
2014-05-15 04:19:40 PM

AngryDragon: HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.

The uniforms were a lot cooler back then.


But his hat looks too big for his head.

Adorable lil scamp!
 
2014-05-15 04:20:11 PM
Basically Europe and Japan for the past 3000 years?
 
2014-05-15 04:21:57 PM

dittybopper: HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.

History doesn't repeat.  It rhymes.


Thanks, Mark.  Good call.
 
2014-05-15 04:23:29 PM

LazyMedia: tinfoil-hat maggie: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Russia is in Europe?

Up to the Volga river or is it the Urals?

The Urals. The part with 90 percent of the population? That's in Europe. Asian Russia is Siberia.


That's right thanks. It's just the rest of Europe didn't want to include Russia unless it was by invasions.
 
2014-05-15 04:23:53 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Now that they're our friends, I kinda like the idea of arming the shiate out of those crazy Germans and Japanese. I mean, if I had to look over my shoulder in a facedown with poooty I would like to see some foaming at the mouth Germans and Japanese behind me.

I mean, what could go wrong?


I can tell you that the Russians and Germans still maintain a seething hatred for one another.  they did terrible things to each other at the end of that war.

/learned this from a beautiful Russian girl.  She liked me enough, but I have a German surname.
 
2014-05-15 04:24:02 PM

cman: This text is now purple: cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

That was the logic in 1914.

Have a citation to back that up?


graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2014-05-15 04:24:27 PM

lasercannon: Is subby saying that we should expect Germany to bomb Pearl Harbor again?


Germans?
 
2014-05-15 04:28:25 PM

loonatic112358: history is a loop, international history doubly so



Preach it brother!
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-05-15 04:29:54 PM
And then there's the screeching fascist farkwit trying to bring back the Ottoman Empire...
 
2014-05-15 04:30:03 PM

jdjoker: lasercannon: Is subby saying that we should expect Germany to bomb Pearl Harbor again?

Germans?


Forget it.  He's rolling.
 
2014-05-15 04:32:35 PM

AngryDragon: The uniforms were a lot cooler back then.


Hugo Boss gets the credit, usually.
 
2014-05-15 04:38:51 PM

This text is now purple: cman: This text is now purple: cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

That was the logic in 1914.

Have a citation to back that up?

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x300]


Thats not a citation. Thats an appeal to emotion.
 
2014-05-15 04:39:41 PM

LazyMedia: TheShavingofOccam123: It sounds like too much wealth has been created and distributed into too many hands.

IT'S TIME FOR A LITTLE CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH THROUGH THE USE OF WAR!!1!

/the real nice thing is if you are in the right class, you can make enormous profits by selling military equipment while transferring wealth from casualties. AT THE SAME TIME!!1! It's a win-win.

That is pure, unadulterated snake oil, right there. Wealth has been becoming more and more concentrated in fewer hands since 1980. You know the last time there was a vast redistribution of wealth in this country and a lot less income and wealth disparity? In the late '40s and the 1950s, after World War II, because of the GI bill and other distributive programs for veterans.

/Not that I'm for war, now, but only a few plutocrats benefit financially from it. Most plutocrats hate war, because it's bad for trade.


Putin has amassed a personal wealth of $70 billion. Most of it by transferring wealth from dead fellow Russians. The process goes on all the time. It's just a question of scale. There's been an enormous creation and accrual of wealth. The problem is there's too many with too much.

And as I said, as long as you can play both sides or make sure your side wins, you can make lots of money manipulating the masses to fight a war with your weaponry. Plus, you get to keep the dead guys' stuff.
 
2014-05-15 04:39:52 PM

jdjoker: lasercannon: Is subby saying that we should expect Germany to bomb Pearl Harbor again?

Germans?


12 years on Fark and you don't get it?  GTFO
 
2014-05-15 04:41:30 PM
Yes, this isn't WW1 or WW2.

But... China is aggressively trying to annex the north and south china seas in order to lock in those resources and trading routes, at the cost of Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia, and the Philippines.

And Russia is aggressively trying annex Eastern Europe for much the same reason, at the cost of the former USSR vassal states and the European Union, who want a nice big buffer between them and Russia.

So is it really any surprise that Japan and Europe are likely to increase their respective military footprints?
 
2014-05-15 04:42:21 PM
It took me the longest time to figure out what the hell subby was talking about. "European"? "Annexing its neighbor" what?

Then I realized some people think Russia and the Ukraine are in Europe.
 
2014-05-15 04:42:28 PM
You'd be a fool not to notice the similarity...and even more of a fool to throw statistics out to disagree.

WW3? Unlikely. But future conflict with N. Korea, China, or Russia? Highly likely. I was in Japan recently and for quite a stay, and they're all pretty pissed at N. Korea and China because both countries like to fawk with Japan...so unleashing the hounds, military-wise was probably a slam dunk.
 
2014-05-15 04:43:32 PM
I knew they weren't happy with the new Godzilla but I did not expect this.
 
2014-05-15 04:44:05 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: That's just great

/now they'll want to reboot Dr. Strangelove


You rang?
 
2014-05-15 04:45:39 PM

MooseBayou: /learned this from a beautiful Russian girl.  She liked me enough, but I have a German surname.


You could have joked about taking her last name
 
2014-05-15 04:49:50 PM

Fark like a Barsoomian: It took me the longest time to figure out what the hell subby was talking about. "European"? "Annexing its neighbor" what?

Then I realized some people think Russia and the Ukraine are in Europe.


img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-05-15 04:53:40 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.

More like 1914.


Cheery thought.
 
2014-05-15 04:57:08 PM

Smeggy Smurf: jdjoker: lasercannon: Is subby saying that we should expect Germany to bomb Pearl Harbor again?

Germans?

12 years on Fark and you don't get it?  GTFO


Or maybe, just maybe, I know the reference from seeing the movie numerous times and wanted to set up the punchline?

/hat tip to MooseBayou
 
2014-05-15 05:03:36 PM
History...repeats...tragedy...farce
 
2014-05-15 05:04:07 PM

cman: This text is now purple: cman: This text is now purple: cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

That was the logic in 1914.

Have a citation to back that up?

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x300]

Thats not a citation. Thats an appeal to emotion.


That's not an appeal to emotion, This is an appeal to emotion

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
      Between the crosses, row on row,
   That mark our place; and in the sky
   The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
 
2014-05-15 05:05:47 PM

mainsail: tinfoil-hat maggie: HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.

More like 1914.

Cheery thought.


The Russ are the protectors of all the Slavs.

Russian National Anthem
From there:
Uploaded on Sep 27, 2008
Long live the Russians...the mother of the Slavs!!! May Russian recapture its former glory! May all Slavic nations unite!!!


/Fun stuff.
 
2014-05-15 05:05:56 PM
Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.
I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.


Lighten up Francis, this FARK not graduate level International History or a thesis in Foreigh Policy and Diplomacy
 
2014-05-15 05:09:37 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.


The History channel hasn't been the "World War II Channel" for many years now.  It's now the "Guys Buy and Sell Junk Channel".  Keep up with the times.
 
2014-05-15 05:15:22 PM
 It took me the longest time to figure out what the hell subby was talking about. "European"? "Annexing its neighbor" what?
Then I realized some people think Russia and the Ukraine are in Europe.


Might want to check a map - most people are correct. Russia is partially in Europe and Ukraine is completely in Europe.
 
2014-05-15 05:21:31 PM

Smeggy Smurf: jdjoker: lasercannon: Is subby saying that we should expect Germany to bomb Pearl Harbor again?

Germans?

12 years on Fark and you don't get it?  GTFO


oh, give him/her one more chance...

izquotes.com
 
2014-05-15 05:22:24 PM

cman: The Googles Do Nothing: cman: Japan of 2014 isnt Japan of 1932

Plus, Russia has always been one of those wildcards.

So no, this aint nothing like WWII

This might be more like the Japan of the 1870s before the US convinced them that arming themselves and pushing off the islands would be a great idea.

Of course, its always the fault of the United States. A water main breaks down-town Tokyo, blame the United States, amirite?


Actually, we were pretty influential in modernizing and militarization of Japan after we sent Dewey's White Fleet to say "Oh Hai, I know you are all closed but wanna trade? Oh these dreadnaughts? oh, we just like sailing in style, but wouldn't want to get it mad. So what do you say?" Next thing you know Japan is kicking some Russian Navy butt.
 
2014-05-15 05:23:10 PM

jdjoker: Smeggy Smurf: jdjoker: lasercannon: Is subby saying that we should expect Germany to bomb Pearl Harbor again?

Germans?

12 years on Fark and you don't get it?  GTFO

Or maybe, just maybe, I know the reference from seeing the movie numerous times and wanted to set up the punchline?

/hat tip to MooseBayou


Fine then, tits or GTFO.  I'll go first
images.china.cn
 
2014-05-15 05:24:48 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: mainsail: tinfoil-hat maggie: HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.

More like 1914.

Cheery thought.

The Russ are the protectors of all the Slavs.

Russian National Anthem
From there:
Uploaded on Sep 27, 2008
Long live the Russians...the mother of the Slavs!!! May Russian recapture its former glory! May all Slavic nations unite!!!


/Fun stuff.


I know. I've spent years studying WWI. Seems as though Putin has supplied his own Black Hand, this time.
 
2014-05-15 05:29:23 PM
Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
2014-05-15 05:29:26 PM

cman: This text is now purple: cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

That was the logic in 1914.

Have a citation to back that up?


Read John Keagan's "The First World War" He goes in depth on why the war should have never occurred as Europe was in a state of peace not seen since the Pax Romana mostly because of the industrial revolution and the interdependence of European Economies.
 
2014-05-15 05:31:11 PM
Well, building a few frigates would be good for the economy.
 
2014-05-15 05:31:57 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Fine then, tits or GTFO.  I'll go first



img.fark.net
Am I doing this right?
 
2014-05-15 05:35:37 PM

vpb: HMS_Blinkin:
I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.

No Russia was ruled by a dictator who wore a shirt 1939.  I can't even imagine Stalin posing for homo-erotic photos with a tiger.


So you're saying history is one giant shirts vs. skins football game?
 
2014-05-15 05:37:32 PM

Snarfangel: I think the question on everyone's mind is, how will this affect anime?


i.kinja-img.com

Probably more of this kind of thing.
 
2014-05-15 05:38:27 PM
They are waiting for the green light so they can bust out the mecha and take over.
 
2014-05-15 05:39:58 PM

svanmeter: Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz


You do realize that our Military is not the one that needs beefing up right?
 
2014-05-15 05:40:52 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Russia is in Europe?


Russia is everywhere.  Russia is in our hearts.  We carry Russia with us wherever we go.
 
2014-05-15 05:41:03 PM

SquiggsIN: Smeggy Smurf: Fine then, tits or GTFO.  I'll go first


[img.fark.net image 760x649]
Am I doing this right?


37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-15 05:42:56 PM
first there is the issue of Taiwan. China will eventually invade Taiwan to reabsorb it into the mother land, assuming they can't require the island via political or economic means.  Even it it takes a couple hundred years, they will pursue this. Anyone who doubts this, hasn't studied the past 2000 years of Chinese history.

Then there is there growing land grabs... China is currently butting heads with Japan over the Senkaku, The current situation where China is building on reclaimed land on a reef off the Philipines in territory claimed by the Philipines, and the growing conflict with China and Viet Nam over disputed waters and oil rigs...the same with China and Korea.
Hell they are rioting in Viet Nam...and are (mistakenly) torching factories that the THINK are Chinese.
eventually the PRC will make a play for the Spratleys as well.

Like I said...not a question of "IF" but a question of "WHEN"   the only way to avoid the conflict is for the US, and EVERYONE else on the planet to just roll over and allow the Chinese to do whatever the fark they want...which isn't going to fly with VietNam,Korea, Japan...etc.
 
2014-05-15 05:43:43 PM

Badgers: And then there's the screeching fascist farkwit trying to bring back the Ottoman Empire...


Now I have a name for my next alt... or my next band.
 
2014-05-15 05:52:02 PM

All2morrowsparTs: cman: This text is now purple: cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

That was the logic in 1914.

Have a citation to back that up?

Read John Keagan's "The First World War" He goes in depth on why the war should have never occurred as Europe was in a state of peace not seen since the Pax Romana mostly because of the industrial revolution and the interdependence of European Economies.


That leaves out the fact that Europe a) had no international organizations to decide disputes b) was mostly ruled by despots, and it's a whole lot easier for a despot to go to war than a democratic government c) hadn't lived through the mass slaughter of the 20th century d) had huge militaries, with millions of men under arms, and a hyper-militaristic culture in Germany. Today's Europe resembles 1914 in no way whatsoever. It's not even as tense as it was from 1945-1991. Not even close to as tense.

Russia has a small army for the size of the country, fewer than a million troops. Germany's army is only 62,000 dudes. But put together, NATO is perfectly capable of stomping a mudhole in Russia, and Russia knows it. All that's going to happen is some South Ossetia type action in the former Soviet Republics directly on Russia's border, a continuing drain on the Russian economy because of Putin's retardation, and eventually some Russian oligarch will get tired of it and put Putin in a box.
 
2014-05-15 05:54:22 PM
*SIGH* We really dont learn....
 
2014-05-15 06:00:01 PM
Because when confronted by a possibility of war with Russia, you want two countries that lost to Russia on your side?
 
2014-05-15 06:03:11 PM

Stratohead: first there is the issue of Taiwan. China will eventually invade Taiwan to reabsorb it into the mother land, assuming they can't require the island via political or economic means.  Even it it takes a couple hundred years, they will pursue this. Anyone who doubts this, hasn't studied the past 2000 years of Chinese history.

Then there is there growing land grabs... China is currently butting heads with Japan over the Senkaku, The current situation where China is building on reclaimed land on a reef off the Philipines in territory claimed by the Philipines, and the growing conflict with China and Viet Nam over disputed waters and oil rigs...the same with China and Korea.
Hell they are rioting in Viet Nam...and are (mistakenly) torching factories that the THINK are Chinese.
eventually the PRC will make a play for the Spratleys as well.

Like I said...not a question of "IF" but a question of "WHEN"   the only way to avoid the conflict is for the US, and EVERYONE else on the planet to just roll over and allow the Chinese to do whatever the fark they want...which isn't going to fly with VietNam,Korea, Japan...etc.


So everybody should read this book or if they can't, read this summary:   http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/17/review-of-the-rise-of-chi n a-vs-the-logic-of-strategy-by-edward-luttwak/

China is crazy in exceedingly nonfunctional ways as a result of their history:

-------------------

The idea is that uncultured barbarian nations may be powerful and violent and rule the roost over the Chinese today, but gradually China will tempt them into losing control.  Today, the US fills this role in the CCP worldview.  Here is Luttwak's logical sequence:
1) Initially, concede all that must be conceded to the superior power, to avoid damage and obtain whatever benefits or at least forbearance that can be had from it.
2) Entangle the ruler and ruling class of the superior power in webs of material dependence that reduce its original vitality and strength, while proffering equality in a privileged bipolarity that excludes every other power ("G-2″ at present)
3) Finally, when the formerly superior power has been weakened enough, withdraw all token of equality and impose subordination


Lovely!  Is it any wonder that nobody trusts China?

-----------------

In 294 BC, Mengchang was defeated in a court intrigue and fled to Wei.  Qi and Qin then made a truce, which allowed Qi to attack the state of Song and allowed Qin to attack the reduced Han-Wei coalition.  Six years later, Qi and Qin were planning a joint attack on the state of Zhao, when the Qi ruler was persuaded that that only Qin would benefit; instead of attacking Zhao, he started forming a coalition against Qin.  In danger of isolation, Qin responded by giving back territory it had seized from Wei and Zhao.
In 286 BC, Qi seized the entire state of Song, alarming the states of Qin, Zhao, Wei, and Yan, which promptly formed a coalition under the guidance of Qi's very own former chief minister Mengchang back from his Wei exile.  Yan next launched a powerful surprise attack on Qi, which also came under attack by Qin, Zhao, and Wei, losing most of its territory.
Next, Zhao and Qin started a long war that allowed Qi to recover-and so it went on, and on, and on ...


----------------

Luttwak detects three residue of the Art of War mentality of the misapplication of intracultural norms to intercultural conflict.
* The presumption of unlimited pragmatism (or rational greed) in inter-state relations
* The tendency of Chinese officialdom to believe that long-unresolved disputes with foreign countries can be resolved by deliberately provoking a crisis
* An exaggerated faith in the power and efficacy of deception, as well as of the strategems and surprise moves that deception allows.

The effectivenes of deception and related methods is immensely increased by proximity, familiarity, consanguinity, cultural homogeneity, and easy access, all of which facilitate the acquisition of indispensable in-depth knowledge of the adversary. Cultural proximity, and the lure of regime replacement, encourages a Chinese preference for high-risk but high-payoff tactics, like assassination and covert actions, that have been relegated to relatively minor roles in Western strategic thought and practice. The problem with this, combined Chinese Great State Autism, is that they one day they will certainly miscalculate and conduct what they imagine to be a small, risky gamble which escalates into full-on conflict.


Americans are pragmatic and commercial to a fault, but when attacked they behave most unpragmatically and uncommercially, with a decided preference for maximum force even when there are more restrained and cheaper options.  Hence Chinese faith in clever Warring States statecraft, to gain much with just a little violence, an almost symbolic bold stroke perhaps, might collide catastrophically with an altogether more violent American response.

------------------------
 
2014-05-15 06:06:31 PM
War. War never changes...
 
2014-05-15 06:06:46 PM

All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You do realize that our Military is not the one that needs beefing up right?


You do realize that the last two World Wars involved the United States?
 
2014-05-15 06:07:34 PM

ciberido: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Russia is in Europe?

Russia is everywhere.  Russia is in our hearts.  We carry Russia with us wherever we go.


Russia is a Christen Nation.
 
2014-05-15 06:08:46 PM
Those who learn from history are usually well schooled in the art of conning the sh*t out of those who don't.
 
2014-05-15 06:43:32 PM

Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

www.littlestuffedbull.com
Which is exactly why we need to hold onto Nixon's head.
 
2014-05-15 06:45:50 PM

svanmeter: All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You do realize that our Military is not the one that needs beefing up right?

You do realize that the last two World Wars involved the United States?


And you do realize that before both those wars we had a very insignificant standing military. Today is the exact opposite where we have the most advanced and effective military in the world. Head and shoulders to even our closet competitor. There is a reason why that we tend to lead operations with logistics and Command and control, even when we are taking on non-combat roles.
 
2014-05-15 06:46:35 PM

loonatic112358: history is a loop, international history doubly so


Very deep.  You should send that in to the Reader's Digest. They've got a page for people like you.
 
2014-05-15 06:48:42 PM

Fark like a Barsoomian: It took me the longest time to figure out what the hell subby was talking about. "European"? "Annexing its neighbor" what?

Then I realized some people think Russia and the Ukraine are in Europe.


They're not?
 
2014-05-15 06:50:02 PM

SquiggsIN: Smeggy Smurf: Fine then, tits or GTFO.  I'll go first


[img.fark.net image 760x649]
Am I doing this right?


Not bad for a first attempt.  Keep at it.
 
2014-05-15 06:53:21 PM

LazyMedia: All2morrowsparTs: cman: This text is now purple: cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

That was the logic in 1914.

Have a citation to back that up?

Read John Keagan's "The First World War" He goes in depth on why the war should have never occurred as Europe was in a state of peace not seen since the Pax Romana mostly because of the industrial revolution and the interdependence of European Economies.

That leaves out the fact that Europe a) had no international organizations to decide disputes b) was mostly ruled by despots, and it's a whole lot easier for a despot to go to war than a democratic government c) hadn't lived through the mass slaughter of the 20th century d) had huge militaries, with millions of men under arms, and a hyper-militaristic culture in Germany. Today's Europe resembles 1914 in no way whatsoever. It's not even as tense as it was from 1945-1991. Not even close to as tense.

Russia has a small army for the size of the country, fewer than a million troops. Germany's army is only 62,000 dudes. But put together, NATO is perfectly capable of stomping a mudhole in Russia, and Russia knows it. All that's going to happen is some South Ossetia type action in the former Soviet Republics directly on Russia's border, a continuing drain on the Russian economy because of Putin's retardation, and eventually some Russian oligarch will get tired of it and put Putin in a box.


You are replying to a different topic that I did not argue. The question was about economics. The prevailing logic prior to August 14th was that war was very unlikely because of the ingrained cultural and economic ties in Europe. England's king and Germany's kaiser were even related and they were both major trading partners as well as exchanging students between their universities.

Hell even the US was trading with the Germans until England blockaded.
 
2014-05-15 07:11:50 PM
"I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939."

www.michaeltotten.com

You're right, the NAZIs are dressed a bit differently these days.
 
2014-05-15 07:24:09 PM

duncan_bayne: "I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939."

[www.michaeltotten.com image 500x363]

You're right, the NAZIs are dressed a bit differently these days.


You know who else like Nazi's? Link
 
2014-05-15 08:25:11 PM

ReverendJynxed: SquiggsIN: Smeggy Smurf: Fine then, tits or GTFO.  I'll go first


[img.fark.net image 760x649]
Am I doing this right?

[37.media.tumblr.com image 500x211]


As an aside, I don't know about Bob in the movie, but I have it on good authority that a lot of trans-men are very self-conscious/unhappy about their chests if they haven't had mastectomies, and so apparently hugging them or in any way making contact with their chests is a big no-no unless they initiate it.

Of course, I don't speak for all trans-men and I'm sure there are exceptions and so on.

And yes, I do realize that the character in the movie wasn't trans.
 
2014-05-15 08:32:28 PM

All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You do realize that our Military is not the one that needs beefing up right?

You do realize that the last two World Wars involved the United States?

And you do realize that before both those wars we had a very insignificant standing military. Today is the exact opposite where we have the most advanced and effective military in the world. Head and shoulders to even our closet competitor. There is a reason why that we tend to lead operations with logistics and Command and control, even when we are taking on non-combat roles.


Our military was cut back before both of those wars just like the supreme leader Obama has just done. Neither he nor you are students of history I guess. We can agree about the quality of our military (my son is in uniform) but the same advantages you cite have been cut... While the supreme leader commits our troops to ever increasing theaters (Central African republic, Nigeria, Poland, the Philipines etc). You would be wise to take your blinders off and look more carefully at the situation the Suprene leader has got us in.
 
2014-05-15 08:33:14 PM

mooseyfate: War. War never changes...


Screw you guys.  I've already got my ticket to Vault 12.
 
2014-05-15 08:35:16 PM

meyerkev: Stratohead: first there is the issue of Taiwan. China will eventually invade Taiwan to reabsorb it into the mother land, assuming they can't require the island via political or economic means.  Even it it takes a couple hundred years, they will pursue this. Anyone who doubts this, hasn't studied the past 2000 years of Chinese history.

Then there is there growing land grabs... China is currently butting heads with Japan over the Senkaku, The current situation where China is building on reclaimed land on a reef off the Philipines in territory claimed by the Philipines, and the growing conflict with China and Viet Nam over disputed waters and oil rigs...the same with China and Korea.
Hell they are rioting in Viet Nam...and are (mistakenly) torching factories that the THINK are Chinese.
eventually the PRC will make a play for the Spratleys as well.

Like I said...not a question of "IF" but a question of "WHEN"   the only way to avoid the conflict is for the US, and EVERYONE else on the planet to just roll over and allow the Chinese to do whatever the fark they want...which isn't going to fly with VietNam,Korea, Japan...etc.

So everybody should read this book or if they can't, read this summary:   http://handleshaus.wordpress.com/2013/12/17/review-of-the-rise-of-chi n a-vs-the-logic-of-strategy-by-edward-luttwak/

China is crazy in exceedingly nonfunctional ways as a result of their history:

-------------------

The idea is that uncultured barbarian nations may be powerful and violent and rule the roost over the Chinese today, but gradually China will tempt them into losing control.  Today, the US fills this role in the CCP worldview.  Here is Luttwak's logical sequence:
1) Initially, concede all that must be conceded to the superior power, to avoid damage and obtain whatever benefits or at least forbearance that can be had from it.
2) Entangle the ruler and ruling class of the superior power in webs of material dependence that reduce its original vitality and strengt ...


yes, but in modern history that is all Bush.

By the way, China is really benefiting from their relationship with the US.  They should spend their dollars wisely.  If they want to act progressively and have a long range outlook, perhaps they should build a huge seawall in case sea levels rise.
 
2014-05-15 08:37:05 PM

svanmeter: All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You do realize that our Military is not the one that needs beefing up right?

You do realize that the last two World Wars involved the United States?


He meant in relative terms it doesn't need beefing up.
 
2014-05-15 08:37:12 PM

svanmeter: Our military was cut back before both of those wars just like the supreme leader Obama has just done. Neither he nor you are students of history I guess. We can agree about the quality of our military (my son is in uniform) but the same advantages you cite have been cut... While the supreme leader commits our troops to ever increasing theaters (Central African republic, Nigeria, Poland, the Philipines etc). You would be wise to take your blinders off and look more carefully at the situation the Suprene leader has got us in.


My guess is the usual, ostensibly unavoidable situation that is the product of stupid, wealthy old men tripping over their dicks while they play Risk with other people's flesh and blood.
 
2014-05-15 08:38:11 PM

nocturnal001: Am I bad that a part of me would love to see 99% of all men aged 18-25 sent overseas for a few years? I'm 34 and past the draft age, but I'm sure I could help out on the home front by comforting the lonely 18-25 year old women?


Don't worry, after they run out of kids to put through the grinder they will get to you soon enough.
 
2014-05-15 08:38:24 PM

duncan_bayne: "I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939."

[www.michaeltotten.com image 500x363]


You're right, the NAZIs are dressed a bit differently these days.


www.thecommentator.comstatic.guim.co.uk

He's popular in Mongolia and Greece, too.  That Hitler guy really gets around.

 
2014-05-15 08:57:31 PM
"He's popular in Mongolia and Greece, too.  That Hitler guy really gets around."

There's popular, then there's "running the country".   Last I checked neither Greece or Mongolia was run by neo-NAZIs.
 
2014-05-15 09:11:03 PM
So when do they plan to invade China? Just a hunch but dont think it will go as well as last time.
 
2014-05-15 09:32:03 PM

duncan_bayne: "He's popular in Mongolia and Greece, too.  That Hitler guy really gets around."

There's popular, then there's "running the country".   Last I checked neither Greece or Mongolia was run by neo-NAZIs.


Sure.

By the way, it's bad form to quote someone without including their name.
 
2014-05-15 09:35:38 PM

All2morrowsparTs: cman: The Googles Do Nothing: cman: Japan of 2014 isnt Japan of 1932

Plus, Russia has always been one of those wildcards.

So no, this aint nothing like WWII

This might be more like the Japan of the 1870s before the US convinced them that arming themselves and pushing off the islands would be a great idea.

Of course, its always the fault of the United States. A water main breaks down-town Tokyo, blame the United States, amirite?

Actually, we were pretty influential in modernizing and militarization of Japan after we sent Dewey's White Fleet to say "Oh Hai, I know you are all closed but wanna trade? Oh these dreadnaughts? oh, we just like sailing in style, but wouldn't want to get it mad. So what do you say?" Next thing you know Japan is kicking some Russian Navy butt.


Yep.  We buttered them up with sweet talk about how they should take Korea and they got all shooty-stabby.  Once they modernized enough and realized we were plundering Asia as well they decided as Asians that nobody should be plundering Asia but Asians themselves?
 
2014-05-15 09:40:48 PM
Whatever you do, don't mention the war!
 
2014-05-15 09:42:47 PM

svanmeter: All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You do realize that our Military is not the one that needs beefing up right?

You do realize that the last two World Wars involved the United States?

And you do realize that before both those wars we had a very insignificant standing military. Today is the exact opposite where we have the most advanced and effective military in the world. Head and shoulders to even our closet competitor. There is a reason why that we tend to lead operations with logistics and Command and control, even when we are taking on non-combat roles.

Our military was cut back before both of those wars just like the supreme leader Obama has just done. Neither he nor you are students of history I guess. We can agree about the quality of our military (my son is in uniform) but the same advantages you cite have been cut... While the supreme leader commits our troops to ever increasing theaters (Central African republic, Nigeria, Poland, the Philipines etc). You would be wise to take your blinders off and look more carefully at the situation the Suprene leader has got us in.


No you idiot they were cut back severely just after those wars and before 1916 there was just a shadow of an army. Today it is still the most formidable force. Do you have something against our military!?
 
2014-05-15 10:11:15 PM

svanmeter: Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz


FTA:  "about a 0.1 percent drop"

ZZZZzzzz is right.
 
2014-05-15 10:13:43 PM

ciberido: mooseyfate: War. War never changes...

Screw you guys.  I've already got my ticket to Vault 12.


Fingers crossed to be that lucky fellow that gets in to Vault 69!
 
2014-05-15 10:29:56 PM

PunGent: svanmeter: Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

FTA:  "about a 0.1 percent drop"

ZZZZzzzz is right.


Yeah a "drop" as you call it is pretty foolish in light of the increased world threats. The Supreme leader Obama has zero military experience and it shows.
 
2014-05-15 10:33:39 PM

All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You do realize that our Military is not the one that needs beefing up right?

You do realize that the last two World Wars involved the United States?

And you do realize that before both those wars we had a very insignificant standing military. Today is the exact opposite where we have the most advanced and effective military in the world. Head and shoulders to even our closet competitor. There is a reason why that we tend to lead operations with logistics and Command and control, even when we are taking on non-combat roles.

Our military was cut back before both of those wars just like the supreme leader Obama has just done. Neither he nor you are students of history I guess. We can agree about the quality of our military (my son is in uniform) but the same advantages you cite have been cut... While the supreme leader commits our troops to ever increasing theaters (Central African republic, Nigeria, Poland, the Philipines etc). You would be wise to take your blinders off and look more carefully at the situation the Suprene leader has got us in.

No you idiot they were cut back severely just after those wars and before 1916 there was just a shadow of an army. Today it is still the most formidable force. Do you have something against our military!?


No you fool I don't have anything against the military where I served and my son is proudly serving. I have a problem with fools like you who want to provide excuses for the lame leadership who makes cutbacks in a time when INCREASES are prudent.

/shifting the debate to "having something against the military" is a lame straw man. Slow clap for effort.
 
2014-05-15 10:40:21 PM

svanmeter: All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You do realize that our Military is not the one that needs beefing up right?

You do realize that the last two World Wars involved the United States?

And you do realize that before both those wars we had a very insignificant standing military. Today is the exact opposite where we have the most advanced and effective military in the world. Head and shoulders to even our closet competitor. There is a reason why that we tend to lead operations with logistics and Command and control, even when we are taking on non-combat roles.

Our military was cut back before both of those wars just like the supreme leader Obama has just done. Neither he nor you are students of history I guess. We can agree about the quality of our military (my son is in uniform) but the same advantages you cite have been cut... While the supreme leader commits our troops to ever increasing theaters (Central African republic, Nigeria, Poland, the Philipines etc). You would be wise to take your blinders off and look more carefully at the situation the Suprene leader has got us in.

No you idiot they were cut back severely just after those wars and before 1916 there was just a shadow of an army. Today it is still the most formidable force. Do you have something against our military!?

No you fool I don't have anything against the military where I served and my son is proudly serving. I have a problem with fools like you who want to provide excuses for the lame leadership who makes cutbacks in a time when INCREASES are prudent.

/shifting the debate to "having something against the military" is a lame straw man. Slow clap for effort.


As someone who served, I would ask you what more do you want to fund against what force that we don't already out gun?
 
2014-05-15 10:45:31 PM

svanmeter: All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: All2morrowsparTs: svanmeter: Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You do realize that our Military is not the one that needs beefing up right?

You do realize that the last two World Wars involved the United States?

And you do realize that before both those wars we had a very insignificant standing military. Today is the exact opposite where we have the most advanced and effective military in the world. Head and shoulders to even our closet competitor. There is a reason why that we tend to lead operations with logistics and Command and control, even when we are taking on non-combat roles.

Our military was cut back before both of those wars just like the supreme leader Obama has just done. Neither he nor you are students of history I guess. We can agree about the quality of our military (my son is in uniform) but the same advantages you cite have been cut... While the supreme leader commits our troops to ever increasing theaters (Central African republic, Nigeria, Poland, the Philipines etc). You would be wise to take your blinders off and look more carefully at the situation the Suprene leader has got us in.

No you idiot they were cut back severely just after those wars and before 1916 there was just a shadow of an army. Today it is still the most formidable force. Do you have something against our military!?

No you fool I don't have anything against the military where I served and my son is proudly serving. I have a problem with fools like you who want to provide excuses for the lame leadership who makes cutbacks in a time when INCREASES are prudent.

/shifting the debate to "having something against the military" is a lame straw man. Slow clap for effort.


Well it was a joke since your knowledge of military history is the same.
 
2014-05-16 12:40:40 AM

svanmeter: PunGent: svanmeter: Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

FTA:  "about a 0.1 percent drop"

ZZZZzzzz is right.

Yeah a "drop" as you call it is pretty foolish in light of the increased world threats. The Supreme leader Obama has zero military experience and it shows.


Unlike you of course.
 
2014-05-16 12:53:37 AM

All2morrowsparTs: LazyMedia: All2morrowsparTs: cman: This text is now purple: cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

That was the logic in 1914.

Have a citation to back that up?

Read John Keagan's "The First World War" He goes in depth on why the war should have never occurred as Europe was in a state of peace not seen since the Pax Romana mostly because of the industrial revolution and the interdependence of European Economies.

That leaves out the fact that Europe a) had no international organizations to decide disputes b) was mostly ruled by despots, and it's a whole lot easier for a despot to go to war than a democratic government c) hadn't lived through the mass slaughter of the 20th century d) had huge militaries, with millions of men under arms, and a hyper-militaristic culture in Germany. Today's Europe resembles 1914 in no way whatsoever. It's not even as tense as it was from 1945-1991. Not even close to as tense.

Russia has a small army for the size of the country, fewer than a million troops. Germany's army is only 62,000 dudes. But put together, NATO is perfectly capable of stomping a mudhole in Russia, and Russia knows it. All that's going to happen is some South Ossetia type action in the former Soviet Republics directly on Russia's border, a continuing drain on the Russian economy because of Putin's retardation, and eventually some Russian oligarch will get tired of it and put Putin in a box.

You are replying to a different topic that I did not argue. The question was about economics. The prevailing logic prior to August 14th was that war was very unlikely because of the ingrained cultural and economic ties in Europe. England's king and Germany's kaiser were even related and they were both major trading partners as well as exc ...


Hell I can do one even easier than that.  On a fundamental level the principle of "economic interdependence = peace" is no different than the idea that "war is dangerous, barring some driving force of need no soldier would ever join a war or follow a commander into a deadly battle if they could just go home and make do on the farm."

It's nonsense, people are NOT rational actors and make bad farking decisions based on need and greed and paranoid fear all the time.  I mean why are Nuclear weapons around?  If no one thinks they'd be used because MAD is mad, then why would we believe they would work enough to build them in the first place?  And why would we worry or build bomb shelters unless we knew, in our hearts, that mankind is farking crazy enough to hit that shiny red button?
 
2014-05-16 12:57:45 AM
Don't worry.  Just keep voting for that "superior and All American" party like usual and things will be fine because those stupid booboo heads in that stupid party will be weeping outside the gates. Any day now, all this voting will change things.  Any day now.
 
2014-05-16 01:17:46 AM

svanmeter: Yeah a "drop" as you call it is pretty foolish in light of the increased world threats. The Supreme leader Obama has zero military experience and it shows.


Dude's been Commander in Chief now for six year and ended a war. I'd call that pertinent experience. Hell of a lot more on point than being a supply sergeant in Stuttbart for 20.
 
2014-05-16 07:43:26 AM

xanadian: ChipNASA: [37.media.tumblr.com image 384x288]

Der Fuhrer had some swingin' moves.


0-media-cdn.foolz.us
 
2014-05-16 08:45:45 AM

svanmeter: PunGent: svanmeter: Meanwhile Obama scales back defense spending.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014/03/04/Obama-scales-back-military- s pending-requests-defense-budget-cuts/9611393958680/

/Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

FTA:  "about a 0.1 percent drop"

ZZZZzzzz is right.

Yeah a "drop" as you call it is pretty foolish in light of the increased world threats. The Supreme leader Obama has zero military experience and it shows.


You a moron, or just a troll?  Try reading your own links.

Chuck Hegel recommended the cuts...you know, that "inexperienced" decorated Vietnam vet, and long-time Republican...

And compared to "experienced" Bush?  who invaded the wrong country?

I'll take "inexperienced" any day of the week.
 
2014-05-16 09:17:29 AM
All I know is that under Bush, the skies of Alabama were safe from the Viet Cong.
 
2014-05-16 10:43:06 AM

All2morrowsparTs: cman: This text is now purple: cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

That was the logic in 1914.

Have a citation to back that up?

Read John Keagan's "The First World War" He goes in depth on why the war should have never occurred as Europe was in a state of peace not seen since the Pax Romana mostly because of the industrial revolution and the interdependence of European Economies.


Kegan is excellent, I have several of his books.   Also, a great recent one is Christopher Clark's "The Sleepwalkers".  It gives great insight (well, for me) as to just how messed up politics and decision making was in 1914.
 
2014-05-16 01:43:43 PM
Anyone that constantly calls the president of a free country "supreme leader" like they're being clever isn't exactly the sharpest crayon in the shed. Dude won two elections. Get the fark over it already.
 
2014-05-16 05:17:35 PM

All2morrowsparTs: Actually, we were pretty influential in modernizing and militarization of Japan after we sent Dewey's White Fleet to say "Oh Hai, I know you are all closed but wanna trade? Oh these dreadnaughts? oh, we just like sailing in style, but wouldn't want to get it mad. So what do you say?" Next thing you know Japan is kicking some Russian Navy butt.


Um, Admiral Dewey's round-the-world trip with his fleet began two years after the end of the Russo-Japanese war.

Matthew Perry's trips to Japan ended 50 years before the war began.
 
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