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(CNN)   Japan loosening reins on military? European politician annexing large portions of neighbor? Why does this feel familliar?   (cnn.com) divider line 147
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2014-05-15 12:24:07 PM
Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.
 
2014-05-15 12:56:41 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.


History doesn't repeat.  It rhymes.
 
2014-05-15 01:20:10 PM
That's just great

/now they'll want to reboot Dr. Strangelove
 
2014-05-15 01:24:46 PM
Now that they're our friends, I kinda like the idea of arming the shiate out of those crazy Germans and Japanese. I mean, if I had to look over my shoulder in a facedown with poooty I would like to see some foaming at the mouth Germans and Japanese behind me.

I mean, what could go wrong?
 
2014-05-15 02:13:14 PM
Japan of 2014 isnt Japan of 1932

Plus, Russia has always been one of those wildcards.

So no, this aint nothing like WWII
 
2014-05-15 02:45:48 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Now that they're our friends, I kinda like the idea of arming the shiate out of those crazy Germans and Japanese. I mean, if I had to look over my shoulder in a facedown with poooty I would like to see some foaming at the mouth Germans and Japanese behind me.

I mean, what could go wrong?


I'd rather have them in front of me.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-15 03:00:16 PM
HMS_Blinkin:
I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.

No Russia was ruled by a dictator who wore a shirt 1939.  I can't even imagine Stalin posing for homo-erotic photos with a tiger.
 
2014-05-15 03:26:19 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Now that they're our friends, I kinda like the idea of arming the shiate out of those crazy Germans and Japanese. I mean, if I had to look over my shoulder in a facedown with poooty I would like to see some foaming at the mouth Germans and Japanese behind me.

I mean, what could go wrong?


Tentacle scat rape ?
 
2014-05-15 03:27:39 PM
37.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-05-15 03:28:07 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: Now that they're our friends, I kinda like the idea of arming the shiate out of those crazy Germans and Japanese. I mean, if I had to look over my shoulder in a facedown with poooty I would like to see some foaming at the mouth Germans and Japanese behind me.

I mean, what could go wrong?


Maybe they didn't switch sides after the war. Maybe we did.

Just kidding. Geopolitical realignments happen with regularity.
 
2014-05-15 03:28:31 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.


The uniforms were a lot cooler back then.
 
2014-05-15 03:30:27 PM
I think the question on everyone's mind is, how will this affect anime?
 
2014-05-15 03:30:29 PM
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to.....watch repeats of "Ice Truckers" or something.
 
2014-05-15 03:30:34 PM
If I'm gonna have a Fascist military at my disposal, I'm going to want the Japanese.
 
2014-05-15 03:31:37 PM
this is kind of fun to play with...

http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
 
2014-05-15 03:31:38 PM

ChipNASA: [37.media.tumblr.com image 384x288]


"You put your left foot in.  You take your left foot out.  You put your left foot in and make a  lampshade out of some guy's back skin."
 
2014-05-15 03:32:26 PM
are we predicting Russo-Japanese War part II? That would be a sequel worth watching.

/spoiler alert, Teddy Roosevelt rises from the grave to end the war
//with his big stick
 
2014-05-15 03:32:27 PM

ChipNASA: [37.media.tumblr.com image 384x288]


Der Fuhrer had some swingin' moves.
 
2014-05-15 03:32:31 PM

cgraves67: IamKaiserSoze!!!: Now that they're our friends, I kinda like the idea of arming the shiate out of those crazy Germans and Japanese. I mean, if I had to look over my shoulder in a facedown with poooty I would like to see some foaming at the mouth Germans and Japanese behind me.

I mean, what could go wrong?

Maybe they didn't switch sides after the war. Maybe we did.

Just kidding. Geopolitical realignments happen with regularity.


We have always been at war with EastAsia.
 
2014-05-15 03:34:06 PM
Is subby saying that we should expect Germany to bomb Pearl Harbor again?
 
2014-05-15 03:35:20 PM
Because subby is ignorant about history? Here's a project for you, subs. Look at the size of today's militaries compared to those in 1939, and the percentage of GDP spent on those militaries. (Link is for Germany vs. UK, but useful for comparison; Germany spent 17 percent of GDP on the military in 1937, compared to 4.5 percent today by Russia). Compared to the war machines of Imperial Japan and the USSR in the '30s, today's Japanese and Russian militaries are honor guards.
 
2014-05-15 03:35:39 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.


More like 1914.
 
2014-05-15 03:40:26 PM

LazyMedia: Because subby is ignorant about history? Here's a project for you, subs. Look at the size of today's militaries compared to those in 1939, and the percentage of GDP spent on those militaries. (Link is for Germany vs. UK, but useful for comparison; Germany spent 17 percent of GDP on the military in 1937, compared to 4.5 percent today by Russia). Compared to the war machines of Imperial Japan and the USSR in the '30s, today's Japanese and Russian militaries are honor guards.


Mind you...

i.cfr.org
The combination of the end of the Cold War and this:

blogs.itmedia.co.jp

means that no one has money to spend on the military anymore.
 
2014-05-15 03:41:55 PM

Snarfangel: I think the question on everyone's mind is, how will this affect anime?


As long as it doesn't impact Attack on Titian Season 2 or Girls Und Panzers Season 2, we are fine.
 
2014-05-15 03:41:57 PM
Russia is in Europe?
 
2014-05-15 03:42:17 PM

vpb: HMS_Blinkin:
I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.

No Russia was ruled by a dictator who wore a shirt 1939.  I can't even imagine Stalin posing for homo-erotic photos with a tiger.


Well, it's not like he was as portrayed in official portraits.  At 5'4" tall with smallpox scars, a shortened arm and withered hand, it's not like he was a strapping example of manhood.
 
2014-05-15 03:43:01 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.


I didn't say it was the same. I said familliar.  You seem to agree to some extent.   I also took RIDICULOUS liberties with any reference to Japan.  Mostly I wanted to play with the Hillary Clinton suggestion that there are similarities between Crimea and Sudetenland.  Now if we ignore timing and our current recovery, maybe we can equate the great depression and our current economy.  We have an American populace reluctant to intervene in current international affairs. A potential new dustbowl brewing in the plains.

Were there some other geo-political issues around that time we could twist to force into this?
 
2014-05-15 03:43:24 PM

AngryDragon: HMS_Blinkin: Because  subby has been watching too much History channel and wants to re-live WWII for some deluded reason?  Today's circumstances are only superficially similar to those that led to WWII, and anyone who bothers to look past the "ZOMG borders are being violated" narrative will quickly realize that.

I'm not saying that the international situation isn't a bit troubling, but it's also not a replay of 1939.

The uniforms were a lot cooler back then.


Well, when http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Boss#Foundation Hugo Boss makes your uniforms, it's hard NOT to be a snappy dresser as you lay waste to an entire continent!
 
2014-05-15 03:43:37 PM

Robin Hoodie: are we predicting Russo-Japanese War part II? That would be a sequel worth watching.


It would end just like the first one.

The JMSDF would kick the shiat out of the Russian Pacific and Black Sea fleets and the JASDF would quickly obtain air supremacy, rendering the Russian ground forces impotent.

No matter what you call them, the Japanese military is a deadly competent force not to be farked with.
 
2014-05-15 03:45:10 PM

Snarfangel: I think the question on everyone's mind is, how will this affect anime?


That and I am freaking going there in just over a month. So if they could hold off until, say, August, that would be great.
 
2014-05-15 03:45:33 PM
FTFA:As things stand, Japan can only use its military, known as the Self-Defense Forces, to defend itself.

I imagine a man nodding knowingly while reading this as though it was some revelation to others who are beneath is razor cunning.
 
2014-05-15 03:45:36 PM

cman: Japan of 2014 isnt Japan of 1932

Plus, Russia has always been one of those wildcards.

So no, this aint nothing like WWII


It's actually a mirror image where Russia and China are the aggressor though I agree it is too simplistic.
 
2014-05-15 03:47:50 PM
there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".
 
2014-05-15 03:48:22 PM
I just wanted to say that I knew this was all coming when I saw how much military themed anime and merch Japan has been cranking out in the past few years....

Not giant robot stuff. But historical "look at what we used to do" kinda stuff...
 
2014-05-15 03:50:48 PM

Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".


That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

War with China would get in the way of making money
 
2014-05-15 03:53:25 PM

cman: Japan of 2014 isnt Japan of 1932

Plus, Russia has always been one of those wildcards.

So no, this aint nothing like WWII


This might be more like the Japan of the 1870s before the US convinced them that arming themselves and pushing off the islands would be a great idea.
 
2014-05-15 03:53:44 PM

Robin Hoodie: are we predicting Russo-Japanese War part II? That would be a sequel worth watching.

/spoiler alert, Teddy Roosevelt rises from the grave to end the war
//with his big stick


Well because of NATO a Russo-Turkish war is unlikely so, let's do this too bad nobody has dreadnought's anymore.
 
2014-05-15 03:54:42 PM

The Googles Do Nothing: cman: Japan of 2014 isnt Japan of 1932

Plus, Russia has always been one of those wildcards.

So no, this aint nothing like WWII

This might be more like the Japan of the 1870s before the US convinced them that arming themselves and pushing off the islands would be a great idea.


Of course, its always the fault of the United States. A water main breaks down-town Tokyo, blame the United States, amirite?
 
2014-05-15 03:55:13 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: Russia is in Europe?


Up to the Volga river or is it the Urals?
 
2014-05-15 03:55:19 PM

cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that


That was the logic in 1914.
 
2014-05-15 03:55:27 PM
The Japanese have no parallel to the 30's.

However, compare Hitler and Putin:
Both are dictators that arose from democracy
Both fanned the flames of nationalism based on a lost war (WWI/cold)
Both demonized and criminalized minority groups to consolidate a populist base and to distract the public from their own misdeeds
Both annexed land based on "reuniting" its people

It's the exact same playbook, only this time the dictator has natural resources.  And nukes.
 
2014-05-15 03:56:51 PM

This text is now purple: cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

That was the logic in 1914.


Have a citation to back that up?
 
2014-05-15 03:58:07 PM

SquiggsIN: I won't worry until the CHIldren of GeNghis KhAn decide they want to reconquer the lands that are now Russia.  That sounds like the start of WW3.


You seem to think China is still ruled by those Mongolians with their women with big feet.
 
2014-05-15 03:58:54 PM
Am I bad that a part of me would love to see 99% of all men aged 18-25 sent overseas for a few years? I'm 34 and past the draft age, but I'm sure I could help out on the home front by comforting the lonely 18-25 year old women?
 
2014-05-15 04:00:35 PM

cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for BOTH OF our economyIES

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

War with China would get in the way of making money


FTFY
 
2014-05-15 04:02:46 PM
those who fail to learn the lessons of history may need to repeat them next semester.
 
2014-05-15 04:03:56 PM

This text is now purple: cman: Stratohead: there is no question of "IF" we will go to war with China... the only question is "When".

That would be insanely idiotic

If would result in a catastrophic death for our economy

I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that

That was the logic in 1914.


Indeed, and he forget's how much money flows for military hardware in a war.

Increased national dept doesn't mean some people don't get richer
 
2014-05-15 04:04:29 PM

nocturnal001: Am I bad that a part of me would love to see 99% of all men aged 18-25 sent overseas for a few years? I'm 34 and past the draft age, but I'm sure I could help out on the home front by comforting the lonely 18-25 year old women?


Listen... we need to move on this.  You start up the propaganda machine.  I'll call every military contractor I've ever met and get them on board.

But we are going to need more than Russia this time, can we drag china into this?  We need a land war in asia to it right.
 
2014-05-15 04:06:12 PM

cman: I believe that people like making money and will go to any lengths to protect that


Businesses often make an insane amount of money during wartime.

Paying the bills afterwards can, however, be a real PITA.
 
2014-05-15 04:09:05 PM

Kahabut: nocturnal001: Am I bad that a part of me would love to see 99% of all men aged 18-25 sent overseas for a few years? I'm 34 and past the draft age, but I'm sure I could help out on the home front by comforting the lonely 18-25 year old women?

Listen... we need to move on this.  You start up the propaganda machine.  I'll call every military contractor I've ever met and get them on board.

But we are going to need more than Russia this time, can we drag china into this?  We need a land war in asia to it right.


Yess, I like how that sounds...land war in asia...

It has a nice ring to it.  I wonder why nobidy thought of it before?
 
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