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(Engadget)   After telling the FCC that their merger with Time Warner will be good for customers' internet service, Comcast CEO tells investors that he expects "usage-based billing" to reach all Comcast customers in five years   (engadget.com ) divider line
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2014-05-15 11:54:21 AM  
 
2014-05-15 12:02:14 PM  
Damn. Just when the internet was getting good...
 
2014-05-15 12:09:17 PM  
Let them eat cake, says Comcast.
 
2014-05-15 12:37:26 PM  
This is great news... for Verizon.
 
2014-05-15 12:47:25 PM  
A house with a couple of other guys, and a new free-to-play MMO comes onto Steam with a 15 gig download. It is easy and LEGAL to need 45-50 gigs of data for a week.
FARK YOU COMCAST!!!!
 
2014-05-15 12:47:43 PM  

Saborlas: This is great news... for Verizon.


Yep. Now they can add usage charges and the media won't notice.

\Google, come and save us!
 
2014-05-15 12:48:22 PM  
The teleco/cable providers are scared of becoming nameless pipes for packeted content.  To counteract this, they must destroy content availability to sell it as a bundle under their brand.
 
2014-05-15 12:52:03 PM  
You know how the utility companies will charge you for a non usage fee?
Like We didn't make any money off you so we have to charge you for that?
Yeah,
Get ready to bend over if you only use a little, too.
 
2014-05-15 12:55:31 PM  

Doogles4221: A house with a couple of other guys, and a new free-to-play MMO comes onto Steam with a 15 gig download. It is easy and LEGAL to need 45-50 gigs of data for a week.
FARK YOU COMCAST!!!!


Not that I don't agree with the FARK YOU COMCAST, but you can always have one person download it and then copy the game files to the others over the network.  It would be a faster way to do it.  Steam should pick it up, do a file check and locate it as installed after that.
 
2014-05-15 12:57:22 PM  
Until we start burning down DC and killing every single resident there, along with every single lobbyist; nothing will change.
 
2014-05-15 12:58:32 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Until we start burning down DC and killing every single resident there, along with every single lobbyist; nothing will change.


Comcast is in Philadelphia.
 
2014-05-15 01:01:38 PM  

SumJackass07: Nemo's Brother: Until we start burning down DC and killing every single resident there, along with every single lobbyist; nothing will change.

Comcast is in Philadelphia.


Don't question the rage.
 
2014-05-15 01:12:32 PM  

Doogles4221: A house with a couple of other guys, and a new free-to-play MMO comes onto Steam with a 15 gig download. It is easy and LEGAL to need 45-50 gigs of data for a week.
FARK YOU COMCAST!!!!


And with the PS4 and Xbox One also encouraging more and more digital downloads, plus the upcoming Steam Boxes... shiats only going to go up

/Come on media distributors, you guys have a lot of money and power, fight harder!
 
2014-05-15 01:17:10 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Until we start burning down DC and killing every single resident there, along with every single lobbyist; nothing will change.



Stupid AND murderous. That's a good mix.
 
2014-05-15 01:21:05 PM  

Doogles4221: A house with a couple of other guys, and a new free-to-play MMO comes onto Steam with a 15 gig download. It is easy and LEGAL to need 45-50 gigs of data for a week.
FARK YOU COMCAST!!!!


And don't forget Steam summer/winter sales. Also, the data goes up damn quick with HD streaming. I also see that Netflix is going to start offering 4k streaming. Can't wait to see how quickly people hit their caps once that picks up.

We really are going to regress back to metered internet like the days of dial-up, aren't we?
 
2014-05-15 01:22:00 PM  

SumJackass07: Nemo's Brother: Until we start burning down DC and killing every single resident there, along with every single lobbyist; nothing will change.

Comcast is in Philadelphia.


Comcast does what Comcast can (and I can hardly blame them for doing what they can to maximize profit).  It's the people in DC who have the regulatory power to tell Comcast what they can't do.
 
2014-05-15 01:31:46 PM  

mad space monkey: Doogles4221: A house with a couple of other guys, and a new free-to-play MMO comes onto Steam with a 15 gig download. It is easy and LEGAL to need 45-50 gigs of data for a week.
FARK YOU COMCAST!!!!

Not that I don't agree with the FARK YOU COMCAST, but you can always have one person download it and then copy the game files to the others over the network.  It would be a faster way to do it.  Steam should pick it up, do a file check and locate it as installed after that.


steam and DMR platforms make it difficult, in the old days sure but when each copy is digitally branded to the user, not so much :(
 
2014-05-15 01:34:29 PM  

NeoCortex42: Doogles4221: A house with a couple of other guys, and a new free-to-play MMO comes onto Steam with a 15 gig download. It is easy and LEGAL to need 45-50 gigs of data for a week.
FARK YOU COMCAST!!!!

And don't forget Steam summer/winter sales. Also, the data goes up damn quick with HD streaming. I also see that Netflix is going to start offering 4k streaming. Can't wait to see how quickly people hit their caps once that picks up.

We really are going to regress back to metered internet like the days of dial-up, aren't we?


We destroyed our 250GB cap just with 1080p streaming.  We cut Netflix to just 480p (which is fine for us since our 720p TVs upscale and we can't really tell the difference) but with that, HD Hulu+, and some SD torrenting we still hit about 240GB last month.
 
2014-05-15 01:35:06 PM  

DaStompa: mad space monkey: Doogles4221: A house with a couple of other guys, and a new free-to-play MMO comes onto Steam with a 15 gig download. It is easy and LEGAL to need 45-50 gigs of data for a week.
FARK YOU COMCAST!!!!

Not that I don't agree with the FARK YOU COMCAST, but you can always have one person download it and then copy the game files to the others over the network.  It would be a faster way to do it.  Steam should pick it up, do a file check and locate it as installed after that.

steam and DMR platforms make it difficult, in the old days sure but when each copy is digitally branded to the user, not so much :(


I don't know. Steam and Uplay at least work off of login credentials to play. The data files could be shared between multiple users, but you'd need an authorized login to actually launch the game. Off course, that does nothing to help console users that have massive downloads for each console.
 
2014-05-15 01:37:57 PM  

wxboy: SumJackass07: Nemo's Brother: Until we start burning down DC and killing every single resident there, along with every single lobbyist; nothing will change.

Comcast is in Philadelphia.

Comcast does what Comcast can (and I can hardly blame them for doing what they can to maximize profit).  It's the people in DC who have the regulatory power to tell Comcast what they can't do.


Former Comcast and Verizon Attorneys Now Manage the FCC
 
2014-05-15 01:38:09 PM  
And then internet companies like Amazon and Netflix wonder why their profits drop like a stone. Well in a rational world people would just tell Comcast to go fark themselves and turn off the internet. If only we lived in a rational world, but we don't.
 
2014-05-15 01:40:58 PM  

NeoCortex42: DaStompa: mad space monkey: Doogles4221: A house with a couple of other guys, and a new free-to-play MMO comes onto Steam with a 15 gig download. It is easy and LEGAL to need 45-50 gigs of data for a week.
FARK YOU COMCAST!!!!

Not that I don't agree with the FARK YOU COMCAST, but you can always have one person download it and then copy the game files to the others over the network.  It would be a faster way to do it.  Steam should pick it up, do a file check and locate it as installed after that.

steam and DMR platforms make it difficult, in the old days sure but when each copy is digitally branded to the user, not so much :(

I don't know. Steam and Uplay at least work off of login credentials to play. The data files could be shared between multiple users, but you'd need an authorized login to actually launch the game. Off course, that does nothing to help console users that have massive downloads for each console.


Right.  You still need to buy 2 copies and both log in, but the files themselves do not need to be downloaded twice.  I do that when my wife and I both buy a game on a Steam sale.  We both buy it, I download it and then drop a copy in her steamapps folder.
 
2014-05-15 01:42:48 PM  

nyseattitude: wxboy: SumJackass07: Nemo's Brother: Until we start burning down DC and killing every single resident there, along with every single lobbyist; nothing will change.

Comcast is in Philadelphia.

Comcast does what Comcast can (and I can hardly blame them for doing what they can to maximize profit).  It's the people in DC who have the regulatory power to tell Comcast what they can't do.

Former Comcast and Verizon Attorneys Now Manage the FCC


Yup.

They have the power to regulate Comcast, just like they have the power to make a 1/48 scale model of Yankee Stadium out of toothpicks. No prizes for guessing which is more likely to happen.
 
2014-05-15 01:44:31 PM  
Sneakernet for video, I guess? Torrenting at McD's, Panera, etc? I get plenty to watch with my antenna, but no anime that way...
 
2014-05-15 01:44:53 PM  
I expect this will get cock blocked by the porn industry.
 
2014-05-15 01:44:56 PM  

NeoCortex42: DaStompa: mad space monkey: Doogles4221: A house with a couple of other guys, and a new free-to-play MMO comes onto Steam with a 15 gig download. It is easy and LEGAL to need 45-50 gigs of data for a week.
FARK YOU COMCAST!!!!

Not that I don't agree with the FARK YOU COMCAST, but you can always have one person download it and then copy the game files to the others over the network.  It would be a faster way to do it.  Steam should pick it up, do a file check and locate it as installed after that.

steam and DMR platforms make it difficult, in the old days sure but when each copy is digitally branded to the user, not so much :(

I don't know. Steam and Uplay at least work off of login credentials to play. The data files could be shared between multiple users, but you'd need an authorized login to actually launch the game. Off course, that does nothing to help console users that have massive downloads for each console.


yeah i remember trying it a while back to get around some issues and the game wouldn't show up in steam, when we tried launching it by itself it claimed steam wasn't running, ect. ect.
 
2014-05-15 01:51:07 PM  
Yeah, usage fees are going to get me to switch to the guy that doesn't do it.

I don't care if it's crappy wireless broadband.  It doesn't cost any more to deliver 10MB to me than it does 100MB or 1000MB.
 
2014-05-15 01:51:21 PM  

rugman11: NeoCortex42: Doogles4221: A house with a couple of other guys, and a new free-to-play MMO comes onto Steam with a 15 gig download. It is easy and LEGAL to need 45-50 gigs of data for a week.
FARK YOU COMCAST!!!!

And don't forget Steam summer/winter sales. Also, the data goes up damn quick with HD streaming. I also see that Netflix is going to start offering 4k streaming. Can't wait to see how quickly people hit their caps once that picks up.

We really are going to regress back to metered internet like the days of dial-up, aren't we?

We destroyed our 250GB cap just with 1080p streaming.  We cut Netflix to just 480p (which is fine for us since our 720p TVs upscale and we can't really tell the difference) but with that, HD Hulu+, and some SD torrenting we still hit about 240GB last month.


I don't do a ton of streaming, but between myself eyeing 4K TV's and Netflix starting to offer 4K streams, that could eat a lot of bandwidth.
 
2014-05-15 01:51:37 PM  

DaStompa: NeoCortex42: DaStompa: mad space monkey: Doogles4221: A house with a couple of other guys, and a new free-to-play MMO comes onto Steam with a 15 gig download. It is easy and LEGAL to need 45-50 gigs of data for a week.
FARK YOU COMCAST!!!!

Not that I don't agree with the FARK YOU COMCAST, but you can always have one person download it and then copy the game files to the others over the network.  It would be a faster way to do it.  Steam should pick it up, do a file check and locate it as installed after that.

steam and DMR platforms make it difficult, in the old days sure but when each copy is digitally branded to the user, not so much :(

I don't know. Steam and Uplay at least work off of login credentials to play. The data files could be shared between multiple users, but you'd need an authorized login to actually launch the game. Off course, that does nothing to help console users that have massive downloads for each console.

yeah i remember trying it a while back to get around some issues and the game wouldn't show up in steam, when we tried launching it by itself it claimed steam wasn't running, ect. ect.


There is a function in Steam to register games with Steam, did you try that?
 
2014-05-15 01:55:34 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: And then internet companies like Amazon and Netflix wonder why their profits drop like a stone. Well in a rational world people would just tell Comcast to go fark themselves and turn off the internet. If only we lived in a rational world, but we don't.


Amazon, Netflix, and other Internet companies know exactly what's going on.  That's why they have been lobbying so hard against this.

And most Comcast subscribers live in areas where there is no other choice for Internet service, so they can't vote with their wallets.
 
2014-05-15 01:55:48 PM  
Americans are so fracking short-sighted it's not even funny.

Of course these limitations are coming, because the first time we defeated them, we left the shiat stain cretins who created them with jobs.  It takes more than voting or even changing providers to send a clear message.

When we remove the Comcast CEO, and charge the company by how far we had to travel to dispose of his corpse, then maybe, MAYBE, things can start to change.  Didn't I just read on Fark yesterday how a lot of these top CEO types are so disconnected from the average user's reality that they don't understand how the technology works?  Of course I did.

fark these greedy sods.  Bloody coont rag piss stained mother farkers.
 
2014-05-15 01:59:30 PM  
I'd really like to know how many Comcast investors actually use Comcast.
 
2014-05-15 02:00:49 PM  
So, anyone who wants to stream video or download games over Steam or GoG (at 2-15 GB per) is going to be farked. As soon as concrete info and dates hit you can bet that I'm going to order several terabytes worth of hard drives and spend a couple of months getting a few years worth of shows and movies prepared.

Google, please come to the Chicago area sometime soon...

Seriously, why the fark haven't they? It's a huge market.
 
2014-05-15 02:02:54 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Well in a rational world people would just tell Comcast to go fark themselves and turn off the internet.


What person on Fark.com is going to agree with you??  Seriously?  There is nothing rational about your argument.
 
2014-05-15 02:09:33 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: So, anyone who wants to stream video or download games over Steam or GoG (at 2-15 GB per) is going to be farked. As soon as concrete info and dates hit you can bet that I'm going to order several terabytes worth of hard drives and spend a couple of months getting a few years worth of shows and movies prepared.

Google, please come to the Chicago area sometime soon...

Seriously, why the fark haven't they? It's a huge market.


I figure it's because this

img.fark.net

is a lot easier to manage than doing this

img.fark.net

or even this

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-15 02:09:39 PM  
So I go back to watching porn on DVD, what's the problem?
 
2014-05-15 02:12:14 PM  

anfrind: Slaves2Darkness: And then internet companies like Amazon and Netflix wonder why their profits drop like a stone. Well in a rational world people would just tell Comcast to go fark themselves and turn off the internet. If only we lived in a rational world, but we don't.

Amazon, Netflix, and other Internet companies know exactly what's going on.  That's why they have been lobbying so hard against this.

And most Comcast subscribers live in areas where there is no other choice for Internet service, so they can't vote with their wallets.


Believe me, I would drop Comcast in a farking heartbeat.

I plan on moving out of state in a couple years, and ISP availability is very high on my list when looking at locations. Too bad it's such a hassle to vote with your wallet on this, but I'll be doing what I can when I can do it.
 
2014-05-15 02:12:15 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I'd really like to know how many Comcast investors actually use Comcast.


Aside from the price and the customer-unfriendly business practices the service itself is very good.  Granted, I don't have Google Fiber or really any other options other than crappy DSL, but I've always been satisfied with the quality of the actual Internet service.

Now, their cable TV on the other hand.... I'm willing to spend a good bit more per month to get my TV through Dosh Network and my Internet through Comcast just so I don't have to deal with the Comcast TV service.
 
2014-05-15 02:14:13 PM  

meat0918: Yeah, usage fees are going to get me to switch to the guy that doesn't do it.

I don't care if it's crappy wireless broadband.  It doesn't cost any more to deliver 10MB to me than it does 100MB or 1000MB.


So far At&t Uverse(non DSL) don't do it yet, because they have no real way of telling ..........yet
/But they'll be happy to see what sites your on and sell that data it to the highest bidder
 
2014-05-15 02:29:27 PM  

Delta1212: anfrind: Slaves2Darkness: And then internet companies like Amazon and Netflix wonder why their profits drop like a stone. Well in a rational world people would just tell Comcast to go fark themselves and turn off the internet. If only we lived in a rational world, but we don't.

Amazon, Netflix, and other Internet companies know exactly what's going on.  That's why they have been lobbying so hard against this.

And most Comcast subscribers live in areas where there is no other choice for Internet service, so they can't vote with their wallets.

Believe me, I would drop Comcast in a farking heartbeat.

I plan on moving out of state in a couple years, and ISP availability is very high on my list when looking at locations. Too bad it's such a hassle to vote with your wallet on this, but I'll be doing what I can when I can do it.


If you happen to move to the SF bay area, look into Sonic.net.  Admittedly they mostly do DSL, so it's not the fastest service (although they're slowly rolling out fiber to the home), but they have excellent customer service, and they have enough of a spine to demand that the FBI prove that it has legal authority to seize a customer's data before allowing them to do so.
 
2014-05-15 02:42:09 PM  
I could academically entertain pay per volume on internet usage.  50/10 with a minimal subscription fee (~$10) and then $.05 a gb might work out for me.

Lord help me when my boy discovers pron.  Excluding my wifes usage, I might see a doubling of internet usage.
 
2014-05-15 02:44:15 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: CtrlAltDestroy: So, anyone who wants to stream video or download games over Steam or GoG (at 2-15 GB per) is going to be farked. As soon as concrete info and dates hit you can bet that I'm going to order several terabytes worth of hard drives and spend a couple of months getting a few years worth of shows and movies prepared.

Google, please come to the Chicago area sometime soon...

Seriously, why the fark haven't they? It's a huge market.

I figure it's because this

[img.fark.net image 493x366]

is a lot easier to manage than doing this

[img.fark.net image 800x450]

or even this

[img.fark.net image 720x405]


Yeah and every town government along the way wants their payoff to approve your zoning permit.

Ohhh you want to run fiber... it just so happens that our waste water system needs an upgrade...
 
2014-05-15 02:47:25 PM  

CtrlAltDestroy: So, anyone who wants to stream video or download games over Steam or GoG (at 2-15 GB per) is going to be farked. As soon as concrete info and dates hit you can bet that I'm going to order several terabytes worth of hard drives and spend a couple of months getting a few years worth of shows and movies prepared.

Google, please come to the Chicago area sometime soon...

Seriously, why the fark haven't they? It's a huge market.


Chicago already has  http://www.silverip.com/.  Pretty sure they really only do bulk installs in high rises and the like, though.  Still, they're fast and cheap (though a little bit slow maintenance wise).
 
2014-05-15 02:48:25 PM  
And of course, as a part of the deal for them to buy Time-Warner, they had to swap some territories with Charter. One of which is mine. Farked.
 
2014-05-15 02:52:41 PM  
Comcast defines customers as "share holders", so of course this is going to be good for their customers.
 
2014-05-15 02:56:11 PM  

anfrind: Delta1212: anfrind: Slaves2Darkness: And then internet companies like Amazon and Netflix wonder why their profits drop like a stone. Well in a rational world people would just tell Comcast to go fark themselves and turn off the internet. If only we lived in a rational world, but we don't.

Amazon, Netflix, and other Internet companies know exactly what's going on.  That's why they have been lobbying so hard against this.

And most Comcast subscribers live in areas where there is no other choice for Internet service, so they can't vote with their wallets.

Believe me, I would drop Comcast in a farking heartbeat.

I plan on moving out of state in a couple years, and ISP availability is very high on my list when looking at locations. Too bad it's such a hassle to vote with your wallet on this, but I'll be doing what I can when I can do it.

If you happen to move to the SF bay area, look into Sonic.net.  Admittedly they mostly do DSL, so it's not the fastest service (although they're slowly rolling out fiber to the home), but they have excellent customer service, and they have enough of a spine to demand that the FBI prove that it has legal authority to seize a customer's data before allowing them to do so.


I'm a former Sonic customer and loved them.  I moved and the new location was not inside their premium speed range, so I had to switch to comcast to get decent bandwidth.  If they ever offer fiber in my new location, I'm jumping right back to them.

Also, they do not keep long term logs as a way of protecting their customer's privacy.  I think they keep them for two weeks for diagnostic purposes.
 
2014-05-15 02:59:29 PM  

under a mountain: So I go back to watching porn on DVD, what's the problem?


Blu-Ray porn please.

I wanna see the herpes!
 
2014-05-15 03:30:50 PM  
Everybody hates their ISP.

ISP's don't change and seem to be getting worse.

Free market FTW.
 
2014-05-15 03:46:33 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: CtrlAltDestroy: So, anyone who wants to stream video or download games over Steam or GoG (at 2-15 GB per) is going to be farked. As soon as concrete info and dates hit you can bet that I'm going to order several terabytes worth of hard drives and spend a couple of months getting a few years worth of shows and movies prepared.

Google, please come to the Chicago area sometime soon...

Seriously, why the fark haven't they? It's a huge market.

I figure it's because this

[img.fark.net image 493x366]

is a lot easier to manage than doing this

[img.fark.net image 800x450]

or even this

[img.fark.net image 720x405]


Yeah, rocks make things harder: [Google Maps StreetView Link]

It's been like that for some five years or so.
 
2014-05-15 03:58:48 PM  
Seems like Adam Smith's "Invisible Hand" is once again fisting

nocturnal001: Everybody hates their ISP.

ISP's don't change and seem to be getting worse.

Free market FTW.


This.   We keep on pretending there is a possibility for consumer choice when the fact is that the physical requirements to actually lay down line makes monopolies inevitable.    Line-based ISPs need to be treated and regulated like any other utility - garbage, water, sewage, etc.  

/why yes, the internet *is* made of pipes
 
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