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(WBOY Clarksburg)   In the least shocking news of the day, it turns out that WV mine that was the scene of an accident Tuesday that killed two, had a long history of safety violations and MSHA was one step away from seeking a court order to shut it down completely   (wboy.com) divider line 24
    More: Followup, MSHA, accidentTuesday, West Virginia, safety violations, court orders, Nick Rahall, Health Administration, burden of proof  
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2014-05-15 02:58:33 PM  
5 votes:
I work at a mine / mining engineer, so I'm getting a etc etc.

"Long history of violations" is a bit meaningless.  Underground mines are inspected by MSHA four times a year and you'll get citations every visit, guaranteed.   And since violations are written under spec section, it can be easy to get a a real or accused pattern of violations for the same thing.  If you have 50 pieces of mobile equipment, all violations related to them can be written under the same section of the Act.  All electrical on the entire facility, etc etc...

That being said:
 In 2013, Brody Mine was issued 514 citations by MSHA.

God damn, man.

Since being placed on the POV, Brody Mine No. 1 has received 69 withdrawal orders.

Holy fark.

To get their violations:
http://www.msha.gov/drs/drshome.htm#MName

Search under "Brody," click Brody Mine No 1 (mine ID of 4609086), Get More iNformation button on the right.
Click "Get Report" in the lower right.

Gives you all man hours per year, tons produced, fines assessed, fines paid to date, citations vacated, written, etc etc.
2014-05-15 02:27:22 PM  
5 votes:
Here is how it works. Coal owns politics. Politics tells the state you don't need education, you need jobs. Coal jobs. So instead of getting a good education and getting the Fark of of that godforsaken shaithole of a state, the kids grow up stuck in wage hell underground.
In my hometown (coal town) we used to say any day above ground is a good day.
I got the fark out. But it's a rigged game.
Coal owns politics.
That is all.
2014-05-15 02:46:54 PM  
4 votes:
Really want to see improvement in safety? Make CEOs criminally responsible for needless deaths.
2014-05-15 02:43:36 PM  
4 votes:

Carn: Let's call Freedom Industries, they will clean up this mess.


This was the "Patriot" coal mine.  is it just me or does it seem the worse a company is, the more likely they are to have a name like that?
2014-05-15 02:34:36 PM  
4 votes:
West Virginia is what the west would be if we gave all the federal land over to local control. Two words: mountaintop removal.
2014-05-15 02:56:10 PM  
3 votes:

Magorn: Carn: Let's call Freedom Industries, they will clean up this mess.

This was the "Patriot" coal mine.  is it just me or does it seem the worse a company is, the more likely they are to have a name like that?


Avoid businesses with the word "Freedom" or "Patriot" in the title and groups with the word "Family" in their name, and you will lead a happy life.
2014-05-15 02:45:49 PM  
3 votes:

Cataholic: So, how were the violations related to the accident?


Well there WERE 250 of them and generally, call me cray but I think an occupational health and safety violation is automatically related to a workplace accident particularly a fatal one.   If nothing else the one reveals a disregard for worker safety than can create the second
2014-05-15 03:01:32 PM  
2 votes:

durbnpoisn: And then there was that one that happened yesterday.  My sone was like, "The people are blaming the company?!"
"Well, yeah.  It's Chile.  They have no safety rules there."
My wife walks in and says, "No.  That was in Turkey!".  "Whoah!  That's even worse!!  Well, same thing applies."


Turkey actually isn't too bad (two of my professors were mining engineers from Turkey).  Kind of a big problem since Erdogan took power is that he's scaled back regulation of firms of supporters or owned by members of his cabinet.

The mine disaster in Turkey took place at a mine owned by a major supporter of Erdogan.  IIRC, one of his aides is a part owner as well.
2014-05-15 03:01:09 PM  
2 votes:
stuffy


Really want to see improvement in safety? Make CEOs criminally responsible for needless deaths.


CEO's have money, jail is for the poor.
2014-05-15 02:37:47 PM  
2 votes:
You jest, subby, but I'm pretty damn surprised to learn that a regulatory agency was taking action on anything.
2014-05-15 02:24:37 PM  
2 votes:
But the rising cost of safety will TAKE THER JERBS!
2014-05-15 02:20:12 PM  
2 votes:
Meanwhile, in Turkey, pretty much the same thing.
2014-05-15 06:27:51 PM  
1 votes:

img.fark.net

Used to be a good sized hill there.

2014-05-15 04:28:58 PM  
1 votes:
And nothing will change.

MSHA will buckle to political pressure from the politicians that get their campaign money from the coal companies.

Workers that have bills and no skills due to a shiatty education system will keep going into the mine. Preachers will keep telling everyone God will protect them and that coal was put there by the almighty for them to provide for their families.

Mine owners will keep running their fear campaign of over-regulation killing the opportunities of hard working men and women. They will also keep looking for ways to shed pensions and health care for their retired employees that actually believed they would be taken care of after retirement.

The state should have gotten it's shiat straight a long time ago and taxed the hell out of coal and gas extraction. That money should have went to education and infrastructure.
2014-05-15 03:31:52 PM  
1 votes:

durbnpoisn: Okay. So maybe it's not exaclty worse than Chile. But aren't you still saying that lack of proper regulations was the reason for the accident?


Yes, but mainly due to recent political interference and not an indictment as the country as a whole.  Turkey was a case of "leave my friends alone" rather than "fark doing anything in the entire country."
2014-05-15 03:22:46 PM  
1 votes:
Over 250 violations and the mine was still open? Sounds like the Government failed.
2014-05-15 03:14:04 PM  
1 votes:

JoieD'Zen: Aren't they somehow all tied together?


Yep, they're all right wing dick bags.
2014-05-15 02:57:02 PM  
1 votes:
And then there was that one that happened yesterday.  My sone was like, "The people are blaming the company?!"
"Well, yeah.  It's Chile.  They have no safety rules there."
My wife walks in and says, "No.  That was in Turkey!".  "Whoah!  That's even worse!!  Well, same thing applies."
2014-05-15 02:35:39 PM  
1 votes:
If only there were fewer regulations in place, the free market would have already taken care of this.

More deregulation is obviously needed. And tax cuts for the mine owners, so they'll have an incentive to improve their mine.
2014-05-15 02:24:28 PM  
1 votes:
The free market in action.
2014-05-15 02:24:12 PM  
1 votes:
Those miners should have just free-marketed themselves into safer jobs, then.   I'm sure this government regulation stuff was just put in place to kill jobs.
2014-05-15 02:23:43 PM  
1 votes:

JoieD'Zen: I'm sure the owners will face appropriate charges.


I'm sure they'll all fit in that jail cell beside Jamie Dimon, Lloyd Blankfein, Hank Paulson, Dubya, Cheney, et al.


/Thanks, Obama.  Good thing you caved to Republicans' demands at every opportunity. Look at all the support you got  from them as a result.
2014-05-15 02:23:37 PM  
1 votes:

haemaker: I don't see a problem here... Job creation is job creation.


Exactly- two jobs just got created in the mining industry, plus additional work for the various lawyers.  Just think of how many more jobs we could create without the various mine regulations.

/Sadly, I suspect there are people who actually think this way.
2014-05-15 02:18:52 PM  
1 votes:
I bet they are getting pretty close to zero steps away now.
 
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