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(Sun Sentinel)   "Marijuana is not a boon for Florida agriculture," says Florida's Agriculture Commissioner. "There won't be fields of it growing in the state or pot shops on every corner next to gymnastics studios and tae kwon do studios where our kids are"   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 85
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2014-05-15 10:08:41 AM  

theorellior: Probably because there's no way Governor Voldemort could shunt some of that grow money to his wife or somehow bill Medicare for growing it.


With any luck Scott will be thrown out on his ass in favor of Charlie Crist this November.  Crist has spent time working for one of Florida's biggest law firms, and the head attorney there, John Morgan, has been a big marijuana legalization advocate.
 
2014-05-15 10:12:17 AM  

moothemagiccow: But beer and tobacco are fine. The govt-run liquor stores here in NC are generally a stone's throw from gymnastics and karate schools, parks and neighborhoods are named Tobacco this and Tobacco that and no one gives a shiat.


Well duh...that's why NC and other progressive, Libertarian leaning states like yours are leading the charge to liberalize cannabis laws. It's just another plant the hardworking farmers of NC can grow organically and sell to willing mature adult customers. That's all.

North Carolina? No...we're talking about Northern California, right? :^)
 
2014-05-15 10:16:57 AM  

mike_d85: I get the odd sensation that this was taken completely out of context and he's not the raging idiot you guys think he is.  He said "Medical marijuana is not a boon for Florida agriculture" and that it will be grown "indoors in controlled conditions".

Methinks he was telling a reporter how marijuana could turn into a raging Kuzu beast armed with pythons.  The reporter asked if he was against medical marijuana and got 2 sound bytes that sound stupid next to each other.


As anyone who's ever met him knows, he is far from a raging idiot.  The question was whether or not growing marijuana could economically offset for some of the serious losses the state is about to take due to citrus greening.
 
2014-05-15 10:24:17 AM  
Anybody else think that legalized hemp growing is going to turn out to be a big meh? I mean, it'll probably be a viable crop, but not profitable enough to really take off. Kind of like bamboo.
 
2014-05-15 10:28:06 AM  

untaken_name: mike_d85: untaken_name: mike_d85: Methinks he was telling a reporter how marijuana could turn into a raging Kuzu beast armed with pythons.

How would that NOT be a boon for Florida agriculture, though? If many new businesses open up to grow weed, and employ lots of people who are either not currently employed or are underemployed, that would be BAD for Florida? Wouldn't a massive explosion of new industry be good?

Because invasive species have a knack for annihilating Florida and the costs associated with allowing the pot to grow in open fields would be extreme (stopping it from spreading and stopping theft from fields).  The costs to grow it in indoor hydroponic greenhouses is much more practical for the public, but very costly to the farmer and would take a huge swath out of the farmers who are able to get licensed AND put up the capital to start farms.  Meaning only a handful of already well funded farmers would reap the profits of pot farming.  Which are thin because of upfront capital costs.

Failing to contain the pot would saturate the market and create an uncontrollable supply of illegal, wild, untaxed, not profitable to anyone pot to the public.

Yeah um...that's not really the way weed works, bro. It's already growing in Florida. If it were going to take over, it would have taken over the entire world by now, since it is currently growing in every state in the US and just about every country in the world. But nice fear-mongering over fact, though. Well done.


http://www.cabi.org/isc/datasheet/14497
 
2014-05-15 10:38:22 AM  

untaken_name: A Republican who hates the free market? You don't say. This is my shocked face. :|


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2014-05-15 10:40:43 AM  

mike_d85: untaken_name: mike_d85: Methinks he was telling a reporter how marijuana could turn into a raging Kuzu beast armed with pythons.

How would that NOT be a boon for Florida agriculture, though? If many new businesses open up to grow weed, and employ lots of people who are either not currently employed or are underemployed, that would be BAD for Florida? Wouldn't a massive explosion of new industry be good?

Because invasive species have a knack for annihilating Florida and the costs associated with allowing the pot to grow in open fields would be extreme (stopping it from spreading and stopping theft from fields).  The costs to grow it in indoor hydroponic greenhouses is much more practical for the public, but very costly to the farmer and would take a huge swath out of the farmers who are able to get licensed AND put up the capital to start farms.  Meaning only a handful of already well funded farmers would reap the profits of pot farming.  Which are thin because of upfront capital costs.

Failing to contain the pot would  saturate the market and create an uncontrollable supply of illegal, wild, untaxed, not profitable to anyone pot to the public.


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2014-05-15 10:41:17 AM  
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drugpolicycentral.com

Marijuana. Not even once.
 
2014-05-15 10:57:38 AM  
Big Marijuana disagrees
 
2014-05-15 11:01:54 AM  

LazyMedia: Anybody else think that legalized hemp growing is going to turn out to be a big meh? I mean, it'll probably be a viable crop, but not profitable enough to really take off. Kind of like bamboo.


Do you know many potheads? I am one, trust me, it will be huge once its fully legalized. Think about the wine market. In Cali, its a billion dollar industry. I think pot will be the same (and I can't wait!).
 
2014-05-15 11:02:57 AM  

mongbiohazard: mike_d85: I get the odd sensation that this was taken completely out of context and he's not the raging idiot you guys think he is.  He said "Medical marijuana is not a boon for Florida agriculture" and that it will be grown "indoors in controlled conditions".

Methinks he was telling a reporter how marijuana could turn into a raging Kuzu beast armed with pythons.  The reporter asked if he was against medical marijuana and got 2 sound bytes that sound stupid next to each other.

C'mon, this is Florida we're talking about here. It's relatively safe to assume he did mean it in the dumbest way possible.


I am a Floridian and as a tree hugger I've been following this guy for a while since there's a good chance he will be governor. For a conservative he's about as good as you could possibly want. He takes environmental threats seriously, does a great job of confronting agricultural problems and is continuously promoting the "Fresh from Florida" Ag. program. He's not perfect but he is a long way from a raving lunatic.
 
2014-05-15 11:06:24 AM  
Nobody grows the pots outdoors anymore.

It's too likely to be fertilized and mad useless by hemp plants in the area, whose pollen can travel for miles.
 
2014-05-15 11:17:12 AM  

CruiserTwelve: There are still states debating medical marijuana?

/Colorado resident


Dude, it's Thursday. Put the bong down and GO TO WORK!!!
 
2014-05-15 11:18:15 AM  
www.raisingarizonakids.com
 
2014-05-15 11:34:28 AM  

CruiserTwelve: There are still states debating medical marijuana?

/Colorado resident


Are active duty LEOs permitted recreational cannabis in Colorado? Serious question...not snark.

/my LEAP membership is current
//non-toker
 
2014-05-15 11:52:31 AM  
My only problem is I'm pretty sure adult swim wouldn't exist except for weed so the whole thing is a toss up.
 
2014-05-15 11:59:18 AM  
In Michigan, all the dispensaries are in the seedier parts of the city.

The hydroponics shops are all in the country-side of the towns.


trappedspirit: My only problem is I'm pretty sure adult swim wouldn't exist except for weed so the whole thing is a toss up.


I never got high in my life, and I LOVE The Venture Bros. -- It's the best show, ever. I also like Robot Chicken, Space Ghost Coast to Coast, the Brak Show, AquaTeen shows, and others.

However, Tim & Eric shows MUST require copious amounts of drugs.
 
2014-05-15 12:21:20 PM  
Yeah, well, that's just like your opinion, man.
www.hispanicallyspeakingnews.com
 
2014-05-15 12:28:14 PM  

FTDA: kronicfeld: Putnam opposes the proposed constitutional amendment on medical marijuana on the Nov. 4 ballot, but acknowledged that polling shows passage is likely.
If that happens, he said he wants enough to avoid "a pot shop on every corner next to gymnastics studios and tae kwon do studios where our kids are."

Once again, a concern that makes no rational sense in a world where grocery stores sell beer and wine two aisles away from candy, and where liquor stores populate strip malls containing the very same "tae kwon do studios where our kids are."

Don't forget that you can buy alcohol and cigarettes in CVS and Walgreens.


Don't forget that Rite Aid announced in Feb that would cease all sales of tobacco products by October...
 
2014-05-15 12:30:41 PM  

theflatline: FTDA: kronicfeld: Putnam opposes the proposed constitutional amendment on medical marijuana on the Nov. 4 ballot, but acknowledged that polling shows passage is likely.
If that happens, he said he wants enough to avoid "a pot shop on every corner next to gymnastics studios and tae kwon do studios where our kids are."

Once again, a concern that makes no rational sense in a world where grocery stores sell beer and wine two aisles away from candy, and where liquor stores populate strip malls containing the very same "tae kwon do studios where our kids are."

Don't forget that you can buy alcohol and cigarettes in CVS and Walgreens.

Don't forget that Rite Aid announced in Feb that would cease all sales of tobacco products by October...


I meant CVS.
 
2014-05-15 12:35:48 PM  

raerae1980: LazyMedia: Anybody else think that legalized hemp growing is going to turn out to be a big meh? I mean, it'll probably be a viable crop, but not profitable enough to really take off. Kind of like bamboo.

Do you know many potheads? I am one, trust me, it will be huge once its fully legalized. Think about the wine market. In Cali, its a billion dollar industry. I think pot will be the same (and I can't wait!).


LazyMedia was talking about hemp, not pot.
 
2014-05-15 12:36:42 PM  

Stone Meadow: CruiserTwelve: There are still states debating medical marijuana?

/Colorado resident

Are active duty LEOs permitted recreational cannabis in Colorado? Serious question...not snark.

/my LEAP membership is current
//non-toker


Employers still have the ability to set policies prohibiting use and testing to enforce. So if a department forbids it - and they probably all do - then no.
 
2014-05-15 12:41:05 PM  
I appreciate that he used the term "is not".  Not the term "will not be".  Buddy, when it's legal, it will be and it will be defacto accomplished.
 
2014-05-15 01:35:38 PM  

Skirl Hutsenreiter: Stone Meadow: CruiserTwelve: There are still states debating medical marijuana?

/Colorado resident

Are active duty LEOs permitted recreational cannabis in Colorado? Serious question...not snark.

/my LEAP membership is current
//non-toker

Employers still have the ability to set policies prohibiting use and testing to enforce. So if a department forbids it - and they probably all do - then no.


Yes, same here in California. I should have been clear that I was asking if there was an LEO policy written into the law.
 
2014-05-15 01:37:53 PM  
Without nuclear power, Florida will be "virtually entirely dependent on natural gas." If a hurricane disrupts a transfer station on a gas pipeline "and it goes down for three days, we're in the dark. And that is a very vulnerable position to be in."

Nope, nothing could go wrong with a nuclear plant in the middle of a category 5 hurricane and mass flooding, no sirree bob!
 
2014-05-15 02:24:49 PM  

raerae1980: LazyMedia: Anybody else think that legalized hemp growing is going to turn out to be a big meh? I mean, it'll probably be a viable crop, but not profitable enough to really take off. Kind of like bamboo.

Do you know many potheads? I am one, trust me, it will be huge once its fully legalized. Think about the wine market. In Cali, its a billion dollar industry. I think pot will be the same (and I can't wait!).


Not pot, hemp. The stuff they make the uncomfortable clothes out of.
 
2014-05-15 03:27:12 PM  

untaken_name: mike_d85: Because invasive species have a knack for annihilating Florida and the costs associated with allowing the pot to grow in open fields would be extreme (stopping it from spreading and stopping theft from fields).  The costs to grow it in indoor hydroponic greenhouses is much more practical for the public, but very costly to the farmer and would take a huge swath out of the farmers who are able to get licensed AND put up the capital to start farms.  Meaning only a handful of already well funded farmers would reap the profits of pot farming.  Which are thin because of upfront capital costs.

Failing to contain the pot would saturate the market and create an uncontrollable supply of illegal, wild, untaxed, not profitable to anyone pot to the public.

Yeah um...that's not really the way weed works, bro. It's already growing in Florida. If it were going to take over, it would have taken over the entire world by now, since it is currently growing in every state in the US and just about every country in the world. But nice fear-mongering over fact, though. Well done.


I prefer to think of it as a colorful narrative.  And you KNOW security would be an issue with the farms.  I mean c'mon... a field of pot?
 
2014-05-15 03:33:52 PM  
Watching politicians squirm as they are forced to do an about face on weed regulation(s) is a beautiful thing.

I always wondered what it would be like to speak and not relate to or believe one thing that comes out of my mouth.
 
2014-05-15 04:07:55 PM  
I'm sure the reason they want it indoors is for "control and security". So random kids can't jump a fence snip some buds and make a run for it.

I'm sure to be a "legal" grower the requirements will be so high and the security you'd have to provide so great, no one but big pharma will be able to do it.

Multiple chain link fences. armed security. freedom to inspect/raid any time. plant DNA finger printing. must be 47 miles from a school. armored cars required for transportation. I'm sure they'll find ways to make it even more insane that that.
 
2014-05-15 04:11:46 PM  

LazyMedia: raerae1980: LazyMedia: Anybody else think that legalized hemp growing is going to turn out to be a big meh? I mean, it'll probably be a viable crop, but not profitable enough to really take off. Kind of like bamboo.

Do you know many potheads? I am one, trust me, it will be huge once its fully legalized. Think about the wine market. In Cali, its a billion dollar industry. I think pot will be the same (and I can't wait!).

Not pot, hemp. The stuff they make the uncomfortable clothes out of.


It's only uncomfortable because the kind of people who want hemp clothes also don't want their clothes treated with 'chemicals'.  They eventually get softer via washing and wearing.

They import hemp from saner countries as it is so there will be a small market at least.
 
2014-05-15 05:04:28 PM  

Stone Meadow: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Stone Meadow: CruiserTwelve: There are still states debating medical marijuana?

/Colorado resident

Are active duty LEOs permitted recreational cannabis in Colorado? Serious question...not snark.

/my LEAP membership is current
//non-toker

Employers still have the ability to set policies prohibiting use and testing to enforce. So if a department forbids it - and they probably all do - then no.

Yes, same here in California. I should have been clear that I was asking if there was an LEO policy written into the law.


Nope.  There's nothing in Amendment 64 that mentions LEOs or any other profession specifically.

It's technically possible the legislature has done so since then, but I seriously doubt it.  It's not like there's a prohibition against showing up to work drunk as an LEO in the statute either.  Why try to carve a bunch of specific stuff into state law that really belongs in employment contracts and departmental policies?
 
2014-05-15 08:29:05 PM  

aseras: I'm sure the reason they want it indoors is for "control and security". So random kids can't jump a fence snip some buds and make a run for it.

I'm sure to be a "legal" grower the requirements will be so high and the security you'd have to provide so great, no one but big pharma will be able to do it.

Multiple chain link fences. armed security. freedom to inspect/raid any time. plant DNA finger printing. must be 47 miles from a school. armored cars required for transportation. I'm sure they'll find ways to make it even more insane that that.


It is even more insane (at least for the moment). Florida has been divided into 5 regions: Panhandle, North, Central, and SE & SW. Each Region can have ONE nursery (for a total of 5 statewide) and that nursery will be selected from a list of places that are in good standing AND have been in continuous business for the past 30 years.

And then things get stupid....


/forget it, Jake, it's Chinatown Florida
 
2014-05-16 12:33:34 AM  

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Is it just me, or does that mother look like she has her arm tied off?
 
2014-05-16 03:34:18 AM  

Stone Meadow: CruiserTwelve: There are still states debating medical marijuana?

/Colorado resident

Are active duty LEOs permitted recreational cannabis in Colorado? Serious question...not snark.

/my LEAP membership is current
//non-toker


No. As long as it's still against federal law, we can't touch the stuff. No law against it, but it comes under our departmental directives that prohibit us from violating any federal, state of municipal laws.
 
2014-05-16 09:50:11 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Stone Meadow: CruiserTwelve: There are still states debating medical marijuana?

/Colorado resident

Are active duty LEOs permitted recreational cannabis in Colorado? Serious question...not snark.

/my LEAP membership is current
//non-toker

No. As long as it's still against federal law, we can't touch the stuff. No law against it, but it comes under our departmental directives that prohibit us from violating any federal, state of municipal laws.


Got it...thanks. That's what I expected, but haven't seen the issue directly addressed in what I've read.
 
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