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(14 News Evansville)   Can't pay child support to your four children? That's no unprotected sex for you for the duration of your probation.... Unless you can come up with $100,000 in overdue support   (14news.com) divider line 139
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2014-05-15 12:53:37 AM
Interesting. I wonder how the "Christian Conservatives" will take this. If he does get a woman pregnant would the court force an abortion on her?
 
2014-05-15 01:09:38 AM

pgh9fan: Interesting. I wonder how the "Christian Conservatives" will take this. If he does get a woman pregnant would the court force an abortion on her?


Nah. They'd just put him in jail and leave the mother and child to fend for themselves. In a bootstrappy manner.
 
2014-05-15 01:15:30 AM

MrBallou: pgh9fan: Interesting. I wonder how the "Christian Conservatives" will take this. If he does get a woman pregnant would the court force an abortion on her?

Nah. They'd just put him in jail and leave the mother and child to fend for themselves. In a bootstrappy manner.


Well, it's not like he's doing much to support the kids he already has, so it likely wouldn't change anything for his new baby-mama whether he was in or out of jail.
 
2014-05-15 01:24:26 AM

TuteTibiImperes: MrBallou: pgh9fan: Interesting. I wonder how the "Christian Conservatives" will take this. If he does get a woman pregnant would the court force an abortion on her?

Nah. They'd just put him in jail and leave the mother and child to fend for themselves. In a bootstrappy manner.

Well, it's not like he's doing much to support the kids he already has, so it likely wouldn't change anything for his new baby-mama whether he was in or out of jail.


True. Best preventative would be to tattoo on his forehead, "Don't get knocked up by this deadbeat."
 
2014-05-15 01:27:01 AM

MrBallou: TuteTibiImperes: MrBallou: pgh9fan: Interesting. I wonder how the "Christian Conservatives" will take this. If he does get a woman pregnant would the court force an abortion on her?

Nah. They'd just put him in jail and leave the mother and child to fend for themselves. In a bootstrappy manner.

Well, it's not like he's doing much to support the kids he already has, so it likely wouldn't change anything for his new baby-mama whether he was in or out of jail.

True. Best preventative would be to tattoo on his forehead, "Don't get knocked up by this deadbeat."


Could you use that court order to convince a girl to do anal?

Sorry baby, gotta go in the back door, judges orders
 
2014-05-15 01:34:53 AM

hammer85: MrBallou: TuteTibiImperes: MrBallou: pgh9fan: Interesting. I wonder how the "Christian Conservatives" will take this. If he does get a woman pregnant would the court force an abortion on her?

Nah. They'd just put him in jail and leave the mother and child to fend for themselves. In a bootstrappy manner.

Well, it's not like he's doing much to support the kids he already has, so it likely wouldn't change anything for his new baby-mama whether he was in or out of jail.

True. Best preventative would be to tattoo on his forehead, "Don't get knocked up by this deadbeat."

Could you use that court order to convince a girl to do anal?

Sorry baby, gotta go in the back door, judges orders


It's the law, so bite the pillow
 
2014-05-15 02:31:49 AM
Child support is silly as the bare necessities of food, shelter, education, and healthcare should be free to all children.

It's time to move into a post currency economy. Basing everything on money ...
 
2014-05-15 02:42:47 AM
The better way to punish guys who father too many kids or women who carry too many babies to term is to force them to work in education.

They can take care of their kids or take care of everyone's kids.
 
2014-05-15 06:37:44 AM
If he gets a vasectomy, can he start going bareback again without paying?
 
2014-05-15 06:40:31 AM
How about we also hold some of these deadbeat women who are allowing themselves to be knocked up by this loser responsible for their actions.  They are having babies they can't provide for...
 
2014-05-15 07:09:07 AM
Link isn't mobile friendly
 
2014-05-15 07:12:00 AM
If he has a gun during sex, does that count as using protection?
 
2014-05-15 07:12:03 AM
Is Buck vs Bell still precedent?

/if you're a fan of Oliver Wendell Holmes, look that up
 
2014-05-15 07:15:48 AM
And how exactly will they enforce this?
 
2014-05-15 07:16:57 AM

doglover: The better way to punish guys who father too many kids or women who carry too many babies to term is to force them to work in education.

They can take care of their kids or take care of everyone's kids.


If having kids was free, it would just encourage "them" to reproduce and good, law-abiding w- working people would have to pick up the tab.
 
2014-05-15 07:21:14 AM
MrBallou:
Best preventative would be to tattoo on his forehead, "Don't get knocked up by this deadbeat." to make him wear one of these (NSFW)

The worthless asshat certainly deserves it.
 
2014-05-15 07:22:18 AM

Creoena: And how exactly will they enforce this?


Pay someone to follow the guy around and watch him have sex.
 
2014-05-15 07:22:20 AM
If you are not acquit, the glove must be a fit?

/or something like that
 
2014-05-15 07:22:41 AM
i635.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-15 07:24:04 AM

FirstNationalBastard: If he gets a vasectomy, can he start going bareback again without paying?


Vasectomies can be made to be reversible, so I would allow it if I were the judge.
I would also hold the medical practitioner liable if it fails. But that's what insurance is for.  Probably one of the cheaper malpractice suits.
He could also opt for a complete castration and then do whatever he wants.  Doesn't sound like he's much of a man, anyways.
 
2014-05-15 07:24:53 AM
I'm OK with this.  Since he  feels it's OK to have unprotected sex with so many women, I don't feel like paying for his STD treatments.
 
2014-05-15 07:28:55 AM
The appeals court cleverly stepped around this issue.

Though I'm one of the ones who believes that "It would be nice if they could force soandso to stop having kids", it's not generally acceptable in the US, and not in cases for financial ability.

However if it is found *legally* acceptable, can we also apply that order to Octomom until she repays the state for all of the money we've spent on her and her crotchfruit?  I'm sure she'll pop out some more kids when she gets desperate for more attention.
 
2014-05-15 07:30:05 AM

MrBallou: pgh9fan: Interesting. I wonder how the "Christian Conservatives" will take this. If he does get a woman pregnant would the court force an abortion on her?

Nah. They'd just put him in jail and leave the mother and child to fend for themselves. In a bootstrappy manner.


If he's in jail he won't be reproducing.


PhiloeBedoe: How about we also hold some of these deadbeat women who are allowing themselves to be knocked up by this loser responsible for their actions.  They are having babies they can't provide for...


That needs to happen as well.

Depending on how the sentence is worded, the judge may be out of line just a bit.

Ordering him to have no more children is over the line of acceptable sentences.  However, the judge could order him to take no actions that increase the amount of child support he would owe on a monthly basis.  Allowing him to have children while married (or exercising full custody of the child) so his right to reproduce is not infringed.
 
2014-05-15 07:31:56 AM

PhiloeBedoe: How about we also hold some of these deadbeat women who are allowing themselves to be knocked up by this loser responsible for their actions.  They are having babies they can't provide for...


Yes "ladies" you are 50% responsible for this problem.
 
2014-05-15 07:33:42 AM

PhiloeBedoe: How about we also hold some of these deadbeat women who are allowing themselves to be knocked up by this loser responsible for their actions.  They are having babies they can't provide for...


I had to take a friend to the "Family Planning Clinic" and I think I was the only male in the waiting room.

In the two hours I sat there I would say 90% of the women were having this conversation"That bastard got me pregnant".

You never hear a woman say "Yeah, I was horny and let the guy raw dog me, I am such an idiot".
 
2014-05-15 07:34:05 AM

Creoena: And how exactly will they enforce this?


TFA says the order was that he couldn't have more children.  Since legally in Ohio, an unmarried man is only a father if a woman claims him to be a father, he can still knock someone up and get her to not declare a father, or only sleep with married women (married men are presumed to be the father if their wife has a baby unless she and another man both agree otherwise.)

The ruling also means that if he breaks the condom, the court is basically requiring him to seek morning-after treatment.  It also means that the court has pre-emptively determined that no woman is allowed to procreate with him.  I wonder how that would be accepted by the women's reproductive rights lobby.  Don't they have the right to knowingly make bad, even devastating decisions?
 
2014-05-15 07:34:40 AM
Hey baby, chill. Just gotta wait until the PO comes over and checks to see if I'm wearin' a condom. These court ordered condoms are thin and ribbed for your pleasure, honey. Don' worry baby, jus' as soon as he shows up and gives me the okay, I'm a-gonna split you like a log, oh yeah. I'm gonna go all in on that and make you cry. How long until he gets here? Well, I woke him up and he's across town so about 45 minutes. We can wait, baby. We can wait.

You say, while we're waiting, we can do some foreplay? Foreplay? What's that?
 
2014-05-15 07:35:27 AM
Bring back forced sterilization
 
2014-05-15 07:38:22 AM

abhorrent1: Bring back forced sterilization


Just license procreation.  If you have a child without a license, it becomes a ward of the state.  Or tossed of the side of the mountain like the Spartans did.
 
2014-05-15 07:38:50 AM

Cold_Sassy: PhiloeBedoe: How about we also hold some of these deadbeat women who are allowing themselves to be knocked up by this loser responsible for their actions.  They are having babies they can't provide for...

Yes "ladies" you are 50% responsible for this problem.


Just because he's supposed to be paying child support doesn't mean that women couldn't support the children on their own, it just means he's not doing his part
Does the article say the women aren't able to provide for the children? Again, not mobile friendly
 
2014-05-15 07:45:14 AM
I'm conservative, but here are some nutjob liberals in my family who are life-long social workers. Their opinions on this sort of matter are just jaw-dropping. They pretty much advocate court ordered sterilization for anyone who has  a) demonstrated failed parenting, b) lack of means to care for additional children, c) various other reasons (criminal record, drug use, generational welfare, etc) These self-identified hard core liberals turn into hard core fascists after dealing with reality for a few decades. I'll also say, they are good people trying to help others, but damn, are they harsh once they get a few in them.
 
2014-05-15 07:46:42 AM
I thinking forced use of Jimmy Hats is a good thing for most people
 
2014-05-15 07:51:15 AM

BizarreMan: Ordering him to have no more children is over the line of acceptable sentences.

Are you kidding?  This kind of shiat is way overdue.  I'm just shocked they actually went there instead of cowering in fear of the fundies running amok in this country.
 
2014-05-15 07:52:24 AM

FirstNationalBastard: If he gets a vasectomy, can he start going bareback again without paying?


Every man who has had sex should understand there is always a cost.  ALWAYS.
 
2014-05-15 07:54:07 AM
My brother says that people like this should be offered $5,000.00 to undergo a free vasectomy.  He thinks that most of this sort would jump on it and it'd be a lot cheaper for the taxpayers in the long run.
 
2014-05-15 07:58:01 AM
Baliff, WHACK his peepee!
 
2014-05-15 07:58:11 AM

doglover: Child support is silly as the bare necessities of food, shelter, education, and healthcare should be free to all children.

It's time to move into a post currency economy. Basing everything on money ...


Just doesn't work comrade.
 
2014-05-15 08:04:35 AM

PhiloeBedoe: How about we also hold some of these deadbeat women who are allowing themselves to be knocked up by this loser responsible for their actions.  They are having babies they can't provide for...


I dont understand why he has to pay for them at all. The woman had the choice not to have them.
 
2014-05-15 08:06:03 AM

Deep Contact: doglover: Child support is silly as the bare necessities of food, shelter, education, and healthcare should be free to all children.

It's time to move into a post currency economy. Basing everything on money ...

Just doesn't work comrade.


They would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids!
 
2014-05-15 08:06:20 AM
No unprotected sex? How about no sex at all until you pay up, deadbeat?
 
2014-05-15 08:09:16 AM

I alone am best: PhiloeBedoe: How about we also hold some of these deadbeat women who are allowing themselves to be knocked up by this loser responsible for their actions.  They are having babies they can't provide for...

I dont understand why he has to pay for them at all. The woman had the choice not to have them.


"It's biology."

/court-ordered biology
 
2014-05-15 08:12:34 AM
Anyone else think that we ended the discussion on eugenics a tad to soon?
 
2014-05-15 08:23:35 AM
And how about no more counterfeiting for you until you learn to keep it in your pocket.
 
2014-05-15 08:23:57 AM
"Do not accept penis from:

Jake Gardner
Cal Johnston
Malik Abyojone
Russ Baxter
Asim Taylor "


Update your Bad Dick list, ladies.
 
2014-05-15 08:25:13 AM

WhoopAssWayne: I'm conservative, but here are some nutjob liberals in my family who are life-long social workers. Their opinions on this sort of matter are just jaw-dropping. They pretty much advocate court ordered sterilization for anyone who has  a) demonstrated failed parenting, b) lack of means to care for additional children, c) various other reasons (criminal record, drug use, generational welfare, etc) These self-identified hard core liberals turn into hard core fascists after dealing with reality for a few decades. I'll also say, they are good people trying to help others, but damn, are they harsh once they get a few in them.


Why does that shock you?  Is it because that's not how Fox news paints "liberals"?  I'm pretty darn liberal but I think forced sterilization should happen with failed parenting also.  There was a couple in PA that had a kid get sick and they tried to pray away the illness and the kid died, fast forward a few years and the next kid gets sick and dies because of them praying away the illness.  Those parents should be sterilized and put up for manslaughter.  I think they got 6 months probation for murdering 2 of their kids.
 
2014-05-15 08:30:09 AM
We often here more about the fathers with 8 kids by 6 moms, but the mothers rarely show up as to blame. In my line of work, we encounter the mothers much more frequently. It's not uncommon to see a mother with 5 kids by 4 or 5 dads. The big problem is that when I'm seeing these people it's because something has gone wrong and the state is stepping in to take control. So while the dad's may not be paying child support (and they rarely are), mom is doing very little to help provide for the children. Usually because having that many kids and no support leads to bad outcomes. Maybe they have a sister or mother who can help out for a little while, but mom often ends up homeless, in deplorable living conditions or an ability to discipline or properly care for this children. This shifts the burden to the state, and by extension, the taxpayers to support these children. In my opinion it's generally a failing on both parts, but even if one of those dad's was paying child support, it would do little to alleviate the problems.
 
2014-05-15 08:31:51 AM

Cold_Sassy: My brother says that people like this should be offered $5,000.00 to undergo a free vasectomy.  He thinks that most of this sort would jump on it and it'd be a lot cheaper for the taxpayers in the long run.


In my last job, I was one of 2 white guys on the job while all the others were black or hispanic... Almost all of them who were married also had a girlfriend on the side... This subject came up more than once. Since I had my vasectomy since '98, I was talking to them about it... Almost without fail, all of them were convinced that "You get cut, your shiat don't work no more"... I told them they should say that around Mrs Arcturus for her answer on that one, but still, no takers...

I even told them, since several of them were on the hook for child support, "If you get it done, no more worries about child support with that girlfriend on the side"... Nope, no takers...

The place was very interesting to work at sometimes... One guy's girlfriend was driving out at the same time his wife was driving in, with both of them bringing him lunch... And yes, I'm glad I no longer work there...

Oh, and for a slightly better link, with photos:  http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2014/05/13/appeals-court%E2%80%88h e -cant-children-pays-child-support/
 
2014-05-15 08:32:55 AM
Hasn't this already been discussed and ruled cruel and unusual punishment?  I guess, not exactly.  Sterilization is, but not just a forced "no unprotected sex" decree.  Walking a fine line there.  This will probably make it to the Supreme Court, which is why the 9th is gathering more information before drafting an opinion.
 
2014-05-15 08:35:00 AM
Totally in favor of having "parenting license" required to legally have a child.

/damn the consequences
 
2014-05-15 08:36:42 AM

MrBallou: TuteTibiImperes: MrBallou: pgh9fan: Interesting. I wonder how the "Christian Conservatives" will take this. If he does get a woman pregnant would the court force an abortion on her?

Nah. They'd just put him in jail and leave the mother and child to fend for themselves. In a bootstrappy manner.

Well, it's not like he's doing much to support the kids he already has, so it likely wouldn't change anything for his new baby-mama whether he was in or out of jail.

True. Best preventative would be to tattoo on his forehead, "Don't get knocked up by this deadbeat."


"But it'll be different with me, because I'm special"
 
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