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(Rare.us)   This small American craft beer would taste so much better if it wasn't watered down with taxes and regulation   (rare.us) divider line 133
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2014-05-14 02:13:03 PM  
The Florida law is pure cronyism, true.  Her contention however that beer needs to be 100% untaxed is a bit far off for me.
 
2014-05-14 02:27:25 PM  
FTA:

The last six-pack of beer I bought ran me about $11.

Wow. How about you come to Canada and really lose your sh*t when you see how much we tax alcohol here.

$11 will buy you a six pretty mediocre beers round these parts.


Also FTA:

By the early 1980s, American beers were known for being bland and uniform, the variety and life sucked out of them by decades of prohibitions, high taxes, onerous regulations, and homebrewing bans which made it extremely difficult for new brewers to enter the market. The picture was grim.

Then, everything changed. Homebrewing was federally legalized in 1978, and as of last summer, it's legal in all 50 states. Today, there are over 1 million homebrewers nationwide, a change which has allowed thousands of new brewers to launch their small businesses out of their homes. Now, there are more than 2,400 craft brewers nationwide!


So let me get this straight.

Homebrewing was illegal and only the major beer manufacturers could survive and thrive. Homebrewing was made legal in 1978 and in the 36 years since, there are now 1,000,000 home brewers and 2,400 craft brewers?

You're doing a very poor job of blaming this on taxes and regulation. It appears that illegal homebrewing had more to do with stifling beer production than anything else.
 
2014-05-14 02:36:03 PM  
From The Beer Institute:

Beer taxes score a solid "F" in terms of tax regressivity. That's because many more beer drinkers are working men and women with modest incomes rather than wealthy people.

The Beer Institute scores a solid "F" on basic logic.

At what point are these working men and women forced to drink beer and pay these "regressive" taxes?
 
2014-05-14 02:53:20 PM  

Rev.K: At what point are these working men and women forced to drink beer and pay these "regressive" taxes?


Because they need something to dull the pain of their bland, soul-crushing existence?
 
2014-05-14 02:54:11 PM  

Rev.K: At what point are these working men and women forced to drink beer and pay these "regressive" taxes?


I am a big proponent of progressive taxation and I would argue that beer is a staple food and should be taxed as such (i.e. not a got damned red cent).
 
2014-05-14 03:16:35 PM  
I like how TFA correctly identifies that it's large breweries that are chucking gobs of money to pay for legislation that favours their distribution strategy, but then goes on to blame it on government.  She was that close to actually having figured out where the problem lies.  Swing and a miss.
 
2014-05-14 03:26:35 PM  
Boy, do I hate the term "craft beer".  Did the recipe come from an issue of Highlights magazine?
 
2014-05-14 03:27:03 PM  
PA has a big state tax on booze, tax free booze lives just across the border in Delaware. Can be as much a 30% cheaper.
 
2014-05-14 03:27:42 PM  

CarnySaur: Boy, do I hate the term "craft beer".  Did the recipe come from an issue of Highlights magazine?


I don't know but somebody will dump a barrel of hops into it to find out
 
2014-05-14 03:27:50 PM  

unyon: I like how TFA correctly identifies that it's large breweries that are chucking gobs of money to pay for legislation that favours their distribution strategy, but then goes on to blame it on government.  She was that close to actually having figured out where the problem lies.  Swing and a miss.


But money in politics isn't a problem because one time this democrat took money from a lobbyist and furthermore reasons.
 
2014-05-14 03:28:25 PM  

Rev.K: Also FTA:

By the early 1980s, American beers were known for being bland and uniform, the variety and life sucked out of them by decades of prohibitions, high taxes, onerous regulations, and homebrewing bans which made it extremely difficult for new brewers to enter the market. The picture was grim.

Then, everything changed. Homebrewing was federally legalized in 1978, and as of last summer, it's legal in all 50 states. Today, there are over 1 million homebrewers nationwide, a change which has allowed thousands of new brewers to launch their small businesses out of their homes. Now, there are more than 2,400 craft brewers nationwide!

So let me get this straight.

Homebrewing was illegal and only the major beer manufacturers could survive and thrive. Homebrewing was made legal in 1978 and in the 36 years since, there are now 1,000,000 home brewers and 2,400 craft brewers?

You're doing a very poor job of blaming this on taxes and regulation. It appears that illegal homebrewing had more to do with stifling beer production than anything else.


What I liked was the part where they used "Then, everything changed" to go from the early 1980's back in time to 1978.
 
2014-05-14 03:28:55 PM  
if the cost of beer is an actual financial burden on you, maybe drink a little less
 
2014-05-14 03:30:15 PM  
That's not that bad. In North Carolina liquior when sold is 88.1% markup including taxes bailment etc. There is zero competition in the state so the selection is also quite limited.
 
2014-05-14 03:31:27 PM  

CarnySaur: Boy, do I hate the term "craft beer".  Did the recipe come from an issue of Highlights magazine?


It's better than "artisanal".  I guess.
 
2014-05-14 03:32:05 PM  

unyon: I like how TFA correctly identifies that it's large breweries that are chucking gobs of money to pay for legislation that favours their distribution strategy, but then goes on to blame it on government.  She was that close to actually having figured out where the problem lies.  Swing and a miss.


To be fair, if those legislators didn't do something just because of "not at all bribes", then the breweries would be SOL.
 
2014-05-14 03:33:07 PM  

Jackson Herring: if the cost of beer is an actual financial burden on you, maybe drink a little less


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2014-05-14 03:34:38 PM  
The case of Mexican beers sampler at Sams was about that I think (Corona, Dos XX, Modelo, Tecate, ...), but of course they don't make their beer with cheese.
 
2014-05-14 03:34:56 PM  
I live in socialist, over taxed, over regulated, nanny state Europe. I pay around 4 dollars for a six pack for some of the best beer in the world.
 
2014-05-14 03:35:56 PM  
And who passed that legislation to make home brewing legal? Jimmy Carter.

And today we have a better choice in beer than Bud, Miller, and Coors.
 
2014-05-14 03:37:39 PM  
And I gotta hand it to small government conservatives. They say the problem is excess regulation and companies can police themselves when the truth usually turns out to be other corporations writing the laws to stifle competition.
 
2014-05-14 03:41:25 PM  

The Crepes of Wrath: CarnySaur: Boy, do I hate the term "craft beer".  Did the recipe come from an issue of Highlights magazine?

It's better than "artisanal".  I guess.


Care for a taste of my craft artisanal small-batch limited run underground barley wine?
 
2014-05-14 03:44:40 PM  
True story: some states tax 'mass produced' beer at a higher rate than 'craft/micro/artisanal beers.
 
2014-05-14 03:45:20 PM  

MinkeyMan: I live in socialist, over taxed, over regulated, nanny state Europe. I pay around 4 dollars for a six pack for some of the best beer in the world.


A growler of fantastic ipa here in Beer Heaven runs about $8-10.
 
2014-05-14 03:46:08 PM  

MinkeyMan: I live in socialist, over taxed, over regulated, nanny state Europe. I pay around 4 dollars for a six pack for some of the best beer in the world.


Average wage in the Czech Republic is 1/3 of what it is in the US.  If you're going to make an honest argument, that six pack is costing you the equivalent of $12.

I know that I pay some of the highest booze and smokes prices on the planet- but those taxes are instead of paying for public services through other taxes like income or property.  I can avoid those taxes and choose not to drink or smoke if I wish.
 
2014-05-14 03:46:13 PM  

Ring of Fire: That's not that bad. In North Carolina liquior when sold is 88.1% markup including taxes bailment etc. There is zero competition in the state so the selection is also quite limited.


I live in North Carolina an I've never considered the selection very limited. The liquor store near me carries at least a dozen brands of whatever liquor you want (not including different flavors). That's just my store, the one on the other side of town stocks completely different stuff and they'll order it for you if they don't have it. They're usually neighborhood small stores so they don't have a huge stock on hand but I've never not been able to get something if I was willing to wait a week or so.

NC does have a huge selection of wines and beer though and they're ridiculously cheap. The grocery store down the road prides itself on 200+ different beers.
 
2014-05-14 03:46:23 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: The Crepes of Wrath: CarnySaur: Boy, do I hate the term "craft beer".  Did the recipe come from an issue of Highlights magazine?

It's better than "artisanal".  I guess.

Care for a taste of my craft artisanal small-batch limited run underground barley wine?


Yes, thanks! Do you deliver via drone?
 
2014-05-14 03:46:38 PM  
But enough about Schlafly
 
2014-05-14 03:46:48 PM  
Craft beer?

www.blogaboutbeer.com

"You think this is enough to brew one case? I dunno... seems light on the hops to me."
/ most craft beer is craft because it's gross and nobody in their right mind would pay to drink it
 
2014-05-14 03:48:41 PM  

Jackson Herring: if the cost of beer is an actual financial burden on you, maybe drink a little less


You shut your whore mouth.
 
2014-05-14 03:50:01 PM  

Rev.K: FTA:

The last six-pack of beer I bought ran me about $11.

Wow. How about you come to Canada and really lose your sh*t when you see how much we tax alcohol here.

$11 will buy you a six pretty mediocre beers round these parts.


Also FTA:

By the early 1980s, American beers were known for being bland and uniform, the variety and life sucked out of them by decades of prohibitions, high taxes, onerous regulations, and homebrewing bans which made it extremely difficult for new brewers to enter the market. The picture was grim.

Then, everything changed. Homebrewing was federally legalized in 1978, and as of last summer, it's legal in all 50 states. Today, there are over 1 million homebrewers nationwide, a change which has allowed thousands of new brewers to launch their small businesses out of their homes. Now, there are more than 2,400 craft brewers nationwide!

So let me get this straight.

Homebrewing was illegal and only the major beer manufacturers could survive and thrive. Homebrewing was made legal in 1978 and in the 36 years since, there are now 1,000,000 home brewers and 2,400 craft brewers?

You're doing a very poor job of blaming this on taxes and regulation. It appears that illegal homebrewing had more to do with stifling beer production than anything else.


That is one of things I enjoy being down here. Beer is cheaper.
12pk of Sam Adams runs me about $13 at kroger, can't complain too much about that.
Though, I do wish I could get it in a full size case.
 
2014-05-14 03:50:14 PM  

skozlaw: most craft beer is craft because it's gross and nobody in their right mind would pay to drink it


Yeeeeaaahhh.... that's what it is.
 
2014-05-14 03:50:17 PM  

Arkanaut: Rev.K: Also FTA:

By the early 1980s, American beers were known for being bland and uniform, the variety and life sucked out of them by decades of prohibitions, high taxes, onerous regulations, and homebrewing bans which made it extremely difficult for new brewers to enter the market. The picture was grim.

Then, everything changed. Homebrewing was federally legalized in 1978, and as of last summer, it's legal in all 50 states. Today, there are over 1 million homebrewers nationwide, a change which has allowed thousands of new brewers to launch their small businesses out of their homes. Now, there are more than 2,400 craft brewers nationwide!

So let me get this straight.

Homebrewing was illegal and only the major beer manufacturers could survive and thrive. Homebrewing was made legal in 1978 and in the 36 years since, there are now 1,000,000 home brewers and 2,400 craft brewers?

You're doing a very poor job of blaming this on taxes and regulation. It appears that illegal homebrewing had more to do with stifling beer production than anything else.

What I liked was the part where they used "Then, everything changed" to go from the early 1980's back in time to 1978.


Came here to point this out as well.

I also thought this part was interesting:

By the early 1980s, American beers were known for being bland and uniform, the variety and life sucked out of them by decades of prohibitions, high taxes, onerous regulations, and homebrewing bans which made it extremely difficult for new brewers to enter the market.

It should have said:
By the early 1980s, American beers were known for being bland and uniform, the variety and life sucked out of them by decades of prohibitions, high taxes, onerous regulations, greedy mass market brewers who used inferior ingredients like rice and corn, rather then more expensive barley in an era of "anything to make a buck" business practices,  and homebrewing bans which made it extremely difficult for new brewers to enter the market.
 
2014-05-14 03:50:43 PM  
TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY
MY IPA NEEDS MOAR HOPZ
 
2014-05-14 03:50:53 PM  
 
2014-05-14 03:53:11 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: 12pk of Sam Adams runs me about $13 at kroger, can't complain too much about that.
Though, I do wish I could get it in a full size case.


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That reminds me! I have three more cases to go get...
 
2014-05-14 03:53:44 PM  

Evil High Priest: UrukHaiGuyz: The Crepes of Wrath: CarnySaur: Boy, do I hate the term "craft beer".  Did the recipe come from an issue of Highlights magazine?

It's better than "artisanal".  I guess.

Care for a taste of my craft artisanal small-batch limited run underground barley wine?

Yes, thanks! Do you deliver via drone?


Drones?! I'm no Philistine!

 My barley wine is only ever talon-delivered by majestic falcons stationed upon roving caravans of free range pack mules. Just write your order on an antique cast-iron frying pan and send it care of Number 2 Shartington Street, My Butt, 90210.
 
2014-05-14 03:54:52 PM  
The biggest problem with beer today is we left too much of the alcohol laws up to the states.
 
2014-05-14 03:56:46 PM  

skozlaw: Craft beer?

[www.blogaboutbeer.com image 575x381]

"You think this is enough to brew one case? I dunno... seems light on the hops to me."
/ most craft beer is craft because it's gross and nobody in their right mind would pay to drink it


Don't worry, we won't drink your Bud Light. In fact, there is probably some brewing in the nearest Men's Room.
 
2014-05-14 03:56:56 PM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: Ring of Fire: That's not that bad. In North Carolina liquior when sold is 88.1% markup including taxes bailment etc. There is zero competition in the state so the selection is also quite limited.

I live in North Carolina an I've never considered the selection very limited. The liquor store near me carries at least a dozen brands of whatever liquor you want (not including different flavors). That's just my store, the one on the other side of town stocks completely different stuff and they'll order it for you if they don't have it. They're usually neighborhood small stores so they don't have a huge stock on hand but I've never not been able to get something if I was willing to wait a week or so.

NC does have a huge selection of wines and beer though and they're ridiculously cheap. The grocery store down the road prides itself on 200+ different beers.



It's not the worst selection in the world, but not the best either. Over the past year or so the bourbon selection has gotten better, but it's basically just big name companies new products that they have been bringing in.  I just don't like the ABC system.  Think we should get rid of it and handle liquor just like beer and wine.  Then you would see prices drop and selection would go way up. Liquor at Costco in SC is a fraction of the price in NC
 
2014-05-14 03:59:40 PM  

Shostie: Rev.K: At what point are these working men and women forced to drink beer and pay these "regressive" taxes?

Because they need something to dull the pain of their bland, soul-crushing existence?


Wouldn't vodak be cheaper and quicker. Plus they might get away with drinking it at work.
 
2014-05-14 04:00:19 PM  
Let's see:

Red Nation
'Red is the Center'
Under: Regulation Nation
Blames government
Picture thanks Obama
State representative who received $3500 in donations from big brewers and is sponsoring the legislation: Rep. Ray Rodrigues, R-Fort Myers


Raising the dark specter of 'big gubmint' Obama to cover for their corporatism, SOP for the GOP. Walking pond scum.
 
2014-05-14 04:00:26 PM  

WinoRhino: skozlaw: most craft beer is craft because it's gross and nobody in their right mind would pay to drink it

Yeeeeaaahhh.... that's what it is.


I just wanted an excuse to take a shot at the crappy ones that only seem to be able to shove a ridiculous quantity of hops into a vat and call it a brew.

Too many "craft" brewers only seem to know how to do that and it's unfortunate. Maybe the tax should be based on IBU.
 
2014-05-14 04:01:32 PM  
I highly recommend the documentary Beer Wars. The parts following the three microbrewers is somewhat boring, but the parts about the whole three tier distribution system is very informative.
 
2014-05-14 04:02:34 PM  

Mikey1969: Don't worry, we won't drink your Bud Light. In fact, there is probably some brewing in the nearest Men's Room.


That's not a very nice thing to say about piss water.
 
2014-05-14 04:03:06 PM  

unyon: I like how TFA correctly identifies that it's large breweries that are chucking gobs of money to pay for legislation that favours their distribution strategy, but then goes on to blame it on government.  She was that close to actually having figured out where the problem lies.  Swing and a miss.



Came to pretty much say this.
So...

^^^THIS^^^
 
2014-05-14 04:03:34 PM  
NO!

Goddamn it. We've got to draw a line somewhere.

They may NOT politicize my farking beer. It's the last untainted thing left in America.
 
2014-05-14 04:04:19 PM  
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Here you go, sweetheart. $1.69 all day long.
 
2014-05-14 04:06:54 PM  

Arkanaut: What I liked was the part where they used "Then, everything changed" to go from the early 1980's back in time to 1978.


Indeed, everything about this article was absolutely crap. I think this is seriously a derp filled GOP outreach attempt. "Do you like beer? Then vote Republican!". Of course, not withstanding that large beer manufacturers routinely get tax breaks, or this bit of truth that somebody already pointed out:

MFAWG: True story: some states tax 'mass produced' beer at a higher rate than 'craft/micro/artisanal beers.


Do I think beer should be taxed? Hell yes. Are the taxes unfair? No, I think they are just about right in my state. I don't buy this "Well working class people drink beer so the taxes are unfair". Sorry, my dad was as working class as they came (A Vietnam veteran Postal Worker and my mom was a bank teller) and only a third of the time he drank beer. Sometimes he drank wine, but he mostly stuck to Scotch and Tequila, just like I do. Furthermore, the states set beer taxes, so if you don't like high beer taxes or dry counties, then remember to vote with a belly full of beer. Usually, it's Republicans who are behind these Volstead act holdovers.

And always remember:

2.bp.blogspot.com

Happy drinking!
 
2014-05-14 04:07:10 PM  
I just skimmed the article so perhaps I missed it, but how do taxes make beer less tasty? Are tears you shed over your lost freedom falling into the glass and diluting the brew?
 
2014-05-14 04:09:48 PM  

Wellon Dowd: I just skimmed the article so perhaps I missed it, but how do taxes make beer less tasty? Are tears you shed over your lost freedom falling into the glass and diluting the brew?


Apparently taxes and regulation forced mass brewers to make an inferior product.
 
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