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(Reuters)   Headline: New Mexico County goes Bundy and votes to defy BLM over grazing rights. Story: By a vote of 2-0, so Jim and Bob decided they didn't like the gubmint "pushing them around"   (reuters.com) divider line 185
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2014-05-14 12:06:16 PM  
You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.
 
2014-05-14 12:09:46 PM  
I wonder what could be prompting this ...

droughtmonitor.unl.edu

If only there were a program that existed for sharing and allocating water ...

"We are reacting to the infringement of the U.S. Forest Service on the water rights of our land-allotment owners," Otero County Commissioner Tommie Herrell told Reuters. "People have been grazing there since 1956."

Hm.

The American government established the New Mexico Territory on September 9, 1850.

Statehood was finally granted to New Mexico on January 6, 1912.

Source

Dumbasses.
All ya'all want to know why all of this is going down? It isn't because of the evil Government. It is because of drought. And we haven't helped our cause any. It's almost as if we are impacting the environment in some way ...
 
2014-05-14 12:41:42 PM  
FTFA: Sheriff Benny House to open a gate allowing nearly 200 head of cattle into the 23-acre area despite Forest Service restrictions.

Put a new lock on the gate, and this guy is out 200 head of cattle.  Problem solved.
 
2014-05-14 12:43:27 PM  
Yet another examplefof people believing they are entitled to use other people's property as if it were their own
 
2014-05-14 12:59:42 PM  

mrshowrules: You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.


Exactly.  This nonsense is going to spread unless there is a very clear demonstration of force.   Ideally I'd like to see the Bundy militia being led away in handcuffs, but I'm willing to accept ambulances if they don't cooperate.
 
2014-05-14 01:05:24 PM  
I'm no rancher, but don't cows drink milk, not water?
 
2014-05-14 01:13:34 PM  
"We are reacting to the infringement of the U.S. Forest Service on the water rights of our land-allotment owners," Otero County Commissioner Tommie Herrell told Reuters. "People have been grazing there since 1956."

That's one way for them to cut out the middle, uh, cow.

/Now off to deal with the Farside-esc mental image.
 
2014-05-14 01:16:44 PM  
Ah, the smell of freedom. Smells like natural spring water. Mixed with thousands of gallons of cow pee and cow flops.
 
2014-05-14 01:36:26 PM  
droughtmonitor.unl.edu

filmladd.com
 
2014-05-14 01:36:43 PM  
In the past I never would have believed myself to be siding with the government on an issue like this. Round them up and kick the shiat out of them.
 
2014-05-14 01:42:17 PM  

mrshowrules: You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.


I think the FBI is pursuing charges if not against Bundy, then against the geniuses who thought pointing loaded weapons at federal officers was a good idea.
 
2014-05-14 01:42:47 PM  
I really hope these bootstrappy 'muricans don't get any federal money for anything...
 
2014-05-14 01:50:46 PM  
And how shocking would it be if a natural disaster hit the area that they will be crying for government help?
 
2014-05-14 01:51:48 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: mrshowrules: You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.

Exactly.  This nonsense is going to spread unless there is a very clear demonstration of force.


I think you mean:

jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-05-14 01:51:55 PM  

NeverDrunk23: And how shocking would it be if a natural disaster hit the area that they will be crying for government help?


Uh the drought could be considered a natural disaster. In slow painful real time.
 
2014-05-14 01:52:11 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: mrshowrules: You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.

Exactly.  This nonsense is going to spread unless there is a very clear demonstration of force.   Ideally I'd like to see the Bundy militia being led away in handcuffs, but I'm willing to accept ambulances if they don't cooperate.


The use of force is exactly what is going to happen.  The left keeps forgetting though who controls the force.  It's people like you who give the orders but those who will carry them out aren't on your side.
 
2014-05-14 01:53:30 PM  
People have been grazing there since 1956.

Ancient and timeless, like Under God in the Pledge of Allegiance.
 
2014-05-14 01:54:00 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: TuteTibiImperes: mrshowrules: You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.

Exactly.  This nonsense is going to spread unless there is a very clear demonstration of force.   Ideally I'd like to see the Bundy militia being led away in handcuffs, but I'm willing to accept ambulances if they don't cooperate.

The use of force is exactly what is going to happen.  The left keeps forgetting though who controls the force.  It's people like you who give the orders but those who will carry them out aren't on your side.


lol @ the suggestion that FBI agents won't arrest people who are breaking federal law.
 
2014-05-14 01:55:52 PM  

NeverDrunk23: And how shocking would it be if a natural disaster hit the area that they will be crying for government help?


The drought kinda is and he's responding by stealing government property.
 
2014-05-14 01:57:40 PM  

qorkfiend: lol @ the suggestion that FBI agents won't arrest people who are breaking federal law.


Time is on their side.  At some point these people have to go home where there are no cameras and there will be a knock on the door.
 
2014-05-14 01:57:48 PM  

mrshowrules: You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.


This.

There are too many proto-tards out there waiting to see how this goes. If these dopes or Bundy get away with it the copycats will surely follow.
 
2014-05-14 01:58:28 PM  
Why do rugged individualists always assume they have a right to use shared resources without regard to the other owners' rights?
 
2014-05-14 02:00:00 PM  

Uzzah: TuteTibiImperes: mrshowrules: You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.

Exactly.  This nonsense is going to spread unless there is a very clear demonstration of force.

I think you mean:

[jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com image 618x347]


Pretty much. These "sovereign citizens" are going to force things, and it ain't going to be pretty, and it's only going to feed the Idiot Brigade's persecution complex. Rewarding Idiots for being ignorant asshats is the result of this nonsense...
 
2014-05-14 02:00:57 PM  

Aarontology: Yet another examplefof people believing they are entitled to use other people's property as if it were their own


Damn moochers! And off the ebil gubmint teat at that! Should be ashamed of themselves...
 
2014-05-14 02:01:03 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Why do rugged individualists always assume they have a right to use shared resources without regard to the other owners' rights?


...and the first to cry for help...
 
2014-05-14 02:05:02 PM  
The dispute is the latest squabble between federal authorities and conservative states' rights advocates in the West, who want to take back millions of acres of public land from central government agencies.

"Take back?"

Doesn't something have to have once been yours before you can take it back?
 
2014-05-14 02:05:48 PM  

Muta: qorkfiend: lol @ the suggestion that FBI agents won't arrest people who are breaking federal law.

Time is on their side.  At some point these people have to go home where there are no cameras and there will be a knock on the door.


Hell, I think they should invite a news crew to come along with the FBI away team.  I'd have more faith in a government that is willing to step up to the plate and bring the hammer down on these wahoos.
 
2014-05-14 02:05:56 PM  
if only the founding fathers had possessed the foresight to address such situations...


oh wait...they did...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause
 
2014-05-14 02:07:44 PM  

baka-san: I really hope these bootstrappy 'muricans don't get any federal money for anything...


They should actually be charged grazing fees, but I'm not sure if the Forest Service issues grazing permits.
 
2014-05-14 02:11:14 PM  
the funny part is how dependent these people are on the government for survival.

their rural county of 200 people covers tens of thousands of square miles.  and who pays for the roads?  and the power lines?  and the maintenance of all that?

I'll tell you what DOESN"T pay for it.  The tax base created by the 200 people in their thousands of square mile county.
 
2014-05-14 02:11:52 PM  
I'm willing to accept ambulances hearses if they don't cooperate

FTFY
 
2014-05-14 02:12:12 PM  
You know I'm getting tired of this. If ranchers and local counties keep doing this start pulling federal funding and subsidies from these guys and see how quickly they re-recognize the Federal Govt.
 
2014-05-14 02:12:34 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: The dispute is the latest squabble between federal authorities and conservative states' rights advocates in the West, who want to take back millions of acres of public land from central government agencies.

"Take back?"

Doesn't something have to have once been yours before you can take it back?


They're all for socialisms when it comes to public land, but only for their own profit...
 
2014-05-14 02:13:21 PM  

Stratohead: if only the founding fathers had possessed the foresight to address such situations...


oh wait...they did...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause


not to mention  Article Four, section 3, clause 2.  It's funny how these anti-federal types seem to forget that clause even exists.
 
2014-05-14 02:16:10 PM  

unyon: FTFA: Sheriff Benny House to open a gate allowing nearly 200 head of cattle into the 23-acre area despite Forest Service restrictions.

Put a new lock on the gate, and this guy is out 200 head of cattle.  Problem solved.


Here's the even more amazing followup to that statement:
He said the fence allows calves in and out of the area and there were other watering holes on the rancher's 28,850-acre grazing allotment some 45 miles southeast of Alamogordo.

Almost 29 THOUSAND acres, and he's worried about 23?

Chavez said the New Mexico meadow jumping mouse was expected to be listed as an endangered species in June, which would mean those 23 acres would be considered a critical habitat.
"I've never seen one of these mice, and the Forest Service claims they caught one last year," Herrell said.


I don't care if it's the Scarlet Crested Unicorn Fart, if the land you are butthurt about is .04% of the land that you are PERMITTED to graze, you need to STFU.

Never mind, I say GIVE them the access they want, fark the mouse. Just charge this asshole what fair market value on the land would actually be, not this sweetheart deal this greedy farkwit is already paying. Tell him that he can go back to his bargain basement prices for the low, low price of shutting the fark up.
 
2014-05-14 02:16:14 PM  
But a U.S. Forest Service spokesman said the fence has also been there for decades, protecting a delicate ecosystem surrounding a natural spring as well as an endangered species of mouse from being trampled by cattle.

I'm not one to side with lawbreakers, but I loathe mice with such a passion that I'd be willing to allow the cattle in for a few days to solve that problem.

Lionel Mandrake: Doesn't something have to have once been yours before you can take it back?


I think most of these problems are arising because the federal government has only recently (well, within the last 30-40 years) started restricting access to land that was previously open.  The BLM, EPA, and Forest Service are introducing new rules about usage.  Of course, that's what they are supposed to do, but people who have been there forever remember when there weren't any restrictions at all.
 
2014-05-14 02:16:25 PM  
All right, that Reuters page keeps making Firefox lock up for me.
 
2014-05-14 02:16:53 PM  

SpectroBoy: mrshowrules: You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.

This.

There are too many proto-tards out there waiting to see how this goes. If these dopes or Bundy get away with it the copycats will surely follow.


David Koresh certainly found out what happens when you defy the federal government.
 
2014-05-14 02:18:32 PM  

Cletus C.: SpectroBoy: mrshowrules: You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.

This.

There are too many proto-tards out there waiting to see how this goes. If these dopes or Bundy get away with it the copycats will surely follow.

David Koresh certainly found out what happens when you defy the federal government.


They'll let you commit suicide?
 
2014-05-14 02:18:38 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: TuteTibiImperes: mrshowrules: You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.

Exactly.  This nonsense is going to spread unless there is a very clear demonstration of force.   Ideally I'd like to see the Bundy militia being led away in handcuffs, but I'm willing to accept ambulances if they don't cooperate.

The use of force is exactly what is going to happen.  The left keeps forgetting though who controls the force.  It's people like you who give the orders but those who will carry them out aren't on your side.


What the hell are you on about?

Federal agents support people breaking clear-cut federal law, and only enforce said laws because reasons? That such enforcement goes against their ideals?

That's insane.
 
2014-05-14 02:19:23 PM  

Lsherm: I think most of these problems are arising because the federal government has only recently (well, within the last 30-40 years) started restricting access to land that was previously open. The BLM, EPA, and Forest Service are introducing new rules about usage. Of course, that's what they are supposed to do, but people who have been there forever remember when there weren't any restrictions at all.


Well, they may have legitimate complaints and concerns, but going all sovereign citizen isn't going to get them anything.

Their cunning plan....is not very cunning.
 
2014-05-14 02:20:04 PM  

Cletus C.: SpectroBoy: mrshowrules: You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.

This.

There are too many proto-tards out there waiting to see how this goes. If these dopes or Bundy get away with it the copycats will surely follow.

David Koresh certainly found out what happens when you defy the federal government reason and sanity.


fix that for you Cletus, those Branch Davidians are/were nucking futs.
 
2014-05-14 02:22:11 PM  
Yes, Smeggy, we get it. You are *Salivating* at the chance to 'justifiably' shoot some 'statists' (read: People you consider liberal).

We get it. You want the Turner Diaries to come to life, and are desperately talking up how you'll be on the 'right' side. farking chill already.
 
2014-05-14 02:23:23 PM  

Isitoveryet: Cletus C.: SpectroBoy: mrshowrules: You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.

This.

There are too many proto-tards out there waiting to see how this goes. If these dopes or Bundy get away with it the copycats will surely follow.

David Koresh certainly found out what happens when you defy the federal government reason and sanity.

fix that for you Cletus, those Branch Davidians are/were nucking futs.


Whereas, Cliven Bundy and his merry band of black helicopter-fearing gun-totters are the epitome of sanity and reason. Let me tell you something about the cattleman ...
 
2014-05-14 02:23:25 PM  

Mikey1969: unyon: FTFA: Sheriff Benny House to open a gate allowing nearly 200 head of cattle into the 23-acre area despite Forest Service restrictions.

Put a new lock on the gate, and this guy is out 200 head of cattle.  Problem solved.

Here's the even more amazing followup to that statement:
He said the fence allows calves in and out of the area and there were other watering holes on the rancher's 28,850-acre grazing allotment some 45 miles southeast of Alamogordo.

Almost 29 THOUSAND acres, and he's worried about 23?

Chavez said the New Mexico meadow jumping mouse was expected to be listed as an endangered species in June, which would mean those 23 acres would be considered a critical habitat.
"I've never seen one of these mice, and the Forest Service claims they caught one last year," Herrell said.

I don't care if it's the Scarlet Crested Unicorn Fart, if the land you are butthurt about is .04% of the land that you are PERMITTED to graze, you need to STFU.

Never mind, I say GIVE them the access they want, fark the mouse. Just charge this asshole what fair market value on the land would actually be, not this sweetheart deal this greedy farkwit is already paying. Tell him that he can go back to his bargain basement prices for the low, low price of shutting the fark up.


I like how he says that he's never seen one. Usually when something is "endangered" it means your chances of seeing one are probably pretty small.
 
2014-05-14 02:24:13 PM  

Stratohead: if only the founding fathers had possessed the foresight to address such situations...


oh wait...they did...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause


Tenthers seem to think the Tenth Amendment repealed that section of the Constitution, or at the very least that since Article One doesn't enumerate the ownership and maintenance of federal lands as one of Congress' powers it is Unconstitutional for there to be federal claims on property.
 
2014-05-14 02:24:53 PM  
The Feds know all about every member of the Bundy militia and the Feds have long memories. They don't want to get into a big shootout and so the militia guys think they've won. But what they've done is embarrass the Feds and piss them off, and the Feds have long memories. I foresee every one of those militia guys getting handcuffed and taken away over the next several years, when it is embarrassing and inconvenient for *them*.
Attending your daughter's high school graduation? Come with us, Mr. Militia.
Having a nice dinner with your wife on your twentieth anniversary? You're under arrest. Enjoy your meal, ma'am.
Sitting in class on Back-to-school-night? Hands on top of your head, Mr. Militia, Simon says.
These guys are committing serious criminal acts with Federal Prison level consequences. If they think they're going to get away with it they're as stupid as their behavior suggests.
And all this is costing the taxpayers money. Bundy owes a million+ dollars and there's no telling how much his little troupe of armed defenders is going to cost to round up and prosecute. But it has to happen and it's going to happen.
 
2014-05-14 02:25:05 PM  

NeverDrunk23: And how shocking would it be if a natural disaster hit the area that they will be crying for government help?


and a big heaping helpin' o' THIS.

these fools will cry the loudest when faced with a situation wherein their bootstraps provide no support.
these dolts would bite the hand that feeds them & complain that they hurt their tooth biting you!
 
2014-05-14 02:25:16 PM  

Cletus C.: SpectroBoy: mrshowrules: You let people flout the law and it will just get worse.  They need to back an tear Bundy a new one.

This.

There are too many proto-tards out there waiting to see how this goes. If these dopes or Bundy get away with it the copycats will surely follow.

David Koresh certainly found out what happens when you defy the federal government.


You should really start to think about it before you pick your martyrs.
 
2014-05-14 02:26:27 PM  

Grungehamster: Stratohead: if only the founding fathers had possessed the foresight to address such situations...


oh wait...they did...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supremacy_Clause

Tenthers seem to think the Tenth Amendment repealed that section of the Constitution, or at the very least that since Article One doesn't enumerate the ownership and maintenance of federal lands as one of Congress' powers it is Unconstitutional for there to be federal claims on property.


as Antimatter pointed out...  http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/tocs/a4_3_2.html

"Tenthers" are morons.
 
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