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2014-05-14 09:05:01 AM  
Aren't we all so glad the party of science canceled our lifter program...

... like they did the superconducting super collider
 
2014-05-14 09:10:39 AM  
You're right, M3, we should definitely do a lot more to appease Putin.  Him running roughshod over sovereign borders is nothing compared to having access to the ISS cut off.
 
2014-05-14 09:16:43 AM  
The US space agency NASA is working with companies to develop space taxis with the goal of restoring US transport to the station by 2017, but the United States currently pays Russia more than $60 million per person to fly its astronauts up.

It's hard to be serious about sanctions if we are writing $60M checks to them.
 
2014-05-14 09:17:08 AM  
OK, if they cut off our access, can we remotely shut things down?

/Probably not.
 
2014-05-14 09:31:00 AM  
It's too bad we don't have some sort of private company that could launch payloads to the ISS and even perhaps manufacture a capsule that could deliver people to orbit.
 
2014-05-14 09:37:17 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: It's too bad we don't have some sort of private company that could launch payloads to the ISS and even perhaps manufacture a capsule that could deliver people to orbit.


Or two, really, given United Launch Alliance's track record with satellite deployments.  Putin closes a door, perhaps opportunity comes a-knocking.
 
2014-05-14 09:39:55 AM  
Oh gosh, where will we film our videos of a guy in space playing the acoustic guitar?
 
2014-05-14 09:43:47 AM  
Nothing but a huge win for SpaceX.
 
2014-05-14 09:48:11 AM  

RobertBruce: Nothing but a huge win for SpaceX.


And American aerospace companies in general.  The US military has been buying rocket engines from Putin, and the sooner that stops, the better.
 
2014-05-14 09:57:20 AM  

James!: Oh gosh, where will we film our videos of a guy in space playing the acoustic guitar?


You're Canadian?
 
2014-05-14 09:59:49 AM  

dittybopper: James!: Oh gosh, where will we film our videos of a guy in space playing the acoustic guitar?

You're Canadian?


You bite your tongue! I've never been so insulted in all my life.
 
2014-05-14 10:04:03 AM  
www.ctvnews.ca
Here's one for the yanks & pinkos.
Come on, dudes! Talk it out & make-up already!

♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫
Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
Go ahead and cheat a friend.
Do it in the name of Heaven,
You can justify it in the end.
♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫
 
2014-05-14 10:04:45 AM  

James!: dittybopper: James!: Oh gosh, where will we film our videos of a guy in space playing the acoustic guitar?

You're Canadian?

You bite your tongue! I've never been so insulted in all my life.


Fark you both.  You are obviously jealous.
 
2014-05-14 10:05:39 AM  
it's all just muslim outreach anyway, right?
 
2014-05-14 10:08:21 AM  
Just wait until we hit 'nuclear zero' and... they don't. It's gonna be so fun wheeeeee...
 
2014-05-14 10:08:54 AM  
Necessity is the mother of procurement adjustments
 
2014-05-14 10:09:08 AM  

James!: dittybopper: James!: Oh gosh, where will we film our videos of a guy in space playing the acoustic guitar?

You're Canadian?


You bite your tongue! I've never been so insulted in all my life.
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Quiet, yank! I'm being awesome & strumming here!
 
2014-05-14 10:09:12 AM  

James!: dittybopper: James!: Oh gosh, where will we film our videos of a guy in space playing the acoustic guitar?

You're Canadian?

You bite your tongue! I've never been so insulted in all my life.


Well, you weren't smart enough to know that Chris Hadfield is Canadian.  Which in and of itself doesn't make one stupid,  of course, but when you make a statement implying that he is an American, you open yourself up for ridicule.
 
2014-05-14 10:11:50 AM  
Probably the fault of those big government spend-o-crats.
 
2014-05-14 10:12:01 AM  

oldfarthenry: [www.ctvnews.ca image 415x233]
Here's one for the yanks & pinkos.
Come on, dudes! Talk it out & make-up already!

♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫
Go ahead and hate your neighbor,
Go ahead and cheat a friend.
Do it in the name of Heaven,
You can justify it in the end.
♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫ ♫


We planing on sending Billy Jack up there to kick some rusky butts?
 
2014-05-14 10:12:58 AM  

dittybopper: James!: dittybopper: James!: Oh gosh, where will we film our videos of a guy in space playing the acoustic guitar?

You're Canadian?

You bite your tongue! I've never been so insulted in all my life.

Well, you weren't smart enough to know that Chris Hadfield is Canadian.  Which in and of itself doesn't make one stupid,  of course, but when you make a statement implying that he is an American, you open yourself up for ridicule.


Oh, you foolishly believed that I cared who was using the international space station as a concert venue and missed my actual point.

I'll be more clear.  If we're cut off from the international space station who gives a fark?
 
2014-05-14 10:17:14 AM  

factoryconnection: You're right, M3, we should definitely do a lot more to appease Putin.  Him running roughshod over sovereign borders is nothing compared to having access to the ISS cut off.


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2014-05-14 10:17:24 AM  

dittybopper: James!: dittybopper: James!: Oh gosh, where will we film our videos of a guy in space playing the acoustic guitar?

You're Canadian?

You bite your tongue! I've never been so insulted in all my life.

Well, you weren't smart enough to know that Chris Hadfield is Canadian.  Which in and of itself doesn't make one stupid,  of course, but when you make a statement implying that he is an American, you open yourself up for ridicule.


But who filmed him?  The poster said "our videos", not "our guy".  If the camera man was American, his statement is relatively accurate.

The general point stands.  IMHO, the ISS (and manned space flight in general) isn't especially useful for scientific research at this point, especially considering the high cost of such missions (IE, there are much more useful projects one could spend said money on back on Earth).
 
2014-05-14 10:22:28 AM  

Geotpf: The general point stands.  IMHO, the ISS (and manned space flight in general) isn't especially useful for scientific research at this point, especially considering the high cost of such missions (IE, there are much more useful projects one could spend said money on back on Earth).


That could be said for every farkin' manned mission into space since Yuri Gagarin's flight in 1961, *IF* you take the short-term view of things.

Actually, I would think that liberals would love it:  It's basically a welfare program for nerds.
 
2014-05-14 10:22:59 AM  

Geotpf: dittybopper: James!: dittybopper: James!: Oh gosh, where will we film our videos of a guy in space playing the acoustic guitar?

You're Canadian?

You bite your tongue! I've never been so insulted in all my life.

Well, you weren't smart enough to know that Chris Hadfield is Canadian.  Which in and of itself doesn't make one stupid,  of course, but when you make a statement implying that he is an American, you open yourself up for ridicule.

But who filmed him? The poster said "our videos", not "our guy".  If the camera man was American, his statement is relatively accurate.



He filmed himself, using his iPad.

http://www.cultofmac.com/227268/space-station-commander-chris-hadfie ld -filmed-edited-space-oddity-using-garageband-on-his-ipad/
 
2014-05-14 10:28:17 AM  
Russia is to deny the US future use of the International Space Station beyond 2020 and will also bar its rocket engines from launching US military satellites as it hits back at American sanctions imposed over Ukraine crisis.

Who write this shiat? Russia isn't banning anything. We can still USE the space station. What they're banning is the transit that gets us there. No, we can't get up there without Russia right now, but that is NOT the same as Russia banning us from the station itself. Since it isn't any one country's space station, that's an important distinction.
 
2014-05-14 10:29:57 AM  

dittybopper: Geotpf: The general point stands.  IMHO, the ISS (and manned space flight in general) isn't especially useful for scientific research at this point, especially considering the high cost of such missions (IE, there are much more useful projects one could spend said money on back on Earth).

That could be said for every farkin' manned mission into space since Yuri Gagarin's flight in 1961, *IF* you take the short-term view of things.

Actually, I would think that liberals would love it:  It's basically a welfare program for nerds.


Looks like Geotpf is one of those guys who can't understand why metallurgists are making stronger metal compounds when they could be curing cancer.
 
2014-05-14 10:30:03 AM  

dittybopper: Geotpf: The general point stands.  IMHO, the ISS (and manned space flight in general) isn't especially useful for scientific research at this point, especially considering the high cost of such missions (IE, there are much more useful projects one could spend said money on back on Earth).

That could be said for every farkin' manned mission into space since Yuri Gagarin's flight in 1961, *IF* you take the short-term view of things.

Actually, I would think that liberals would love it:  It's basically a welfare program for nerds.


Speaking of the long term, the one reason I think I could justify sending people into space would be for preparation for a long term plan for a permanent mission to the moon and/or Mars (IE, it's probably a good idea to have a few people stationed permanently somewhere other than Earth in case we manage to blow it up or something).

But yeah, currently NASA is basically welfare for nerds, and has been for a long time.
 
2014-05-14 10:30:09 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: It's too bad we don't have some sort of private company that could launch payloads to the ISS and even perhaps manufacture a capsule that could deliver people to orbit construct elaborate soundstages and use CGI to fool the sheeple into thinking mankind has ventured into space.


FTFY
 
2014-05-14 10:32:09 AM  

Mikey1969: dittybopper: Geotpf: The general point stands.  IMHO, the ISS (and manned space flight in general) isn't especially useful for scientific research at this point, especially considering the high cost of such missions (IE, there are much more useful projects one could spend said money on back on Earth).

That could be said for every farkin' manned mission into space since Yuri Gagarin's flight in 1961, *IF* you take the short-term view of things.

Actually, I would think that liberals would love it:  It's basically a welfare program for nerds.

Looks like Geotpf is one of those guys who can't understand why metallurgists are making stronger metal compounds when they could be curing cancer.


I just think most experiments performed on the ISS could be done for a quarter of the cost by an unmanned probe of some sort.
 
2014-05-14 10:32:52 AM  
Just cut Elon Musk a check, we'll be back up there in no time. Hell, if we spin this the right way to the flag-wavers, we might get a moon colony out of this.
 
2014-05-14 10:36:42 AM  

factoryconnection: You're right, M3, we should definitely do a lot more to appease Putin.  Him running roughshod over sovereign borders is nothing compared to having access to the ISS cut off.


The whole deal is, you can't sanction your dealer. Eurooe needs himnfor oil and we need him for space access.

We goofed in putting in that dependency.
 
2014-05-14 10:37:00 AM  
What we should really be focusing on is how to get stuff from the ground to space cheaper and more reliably. Having an expensive sleep away camp for adults is less useful.
 
2014-05-14 10:39:28 AM  

QuesoDelicioso: Just cut Elon Musk a check, we'll be back up there in no time. Hell, if we spin this the right way to the flag-wavers, we might get a moon colony out of this.


What lunatic is calling for a moon base?  Oh wait.

annexthemoon.com
 
2014-05-14 10:39:39 AM  

James!: What we should really be focusing on is how to get stuff from the ground to space cheaper and more reliably. Having an expensive sleep away camp for adults is less useful.


I dunno, depends on who you send away.
 
2014-05-14 10:45:21 AM  

Geotpf: Mikey1969: dittybopper: Geotpf: The general point stands.  IMHO, the ISS (and manned space flight in general) isn't especially useful for scientific research at this point, especially considering the high cost of such missions (IE, there are much more useful projects one could spend said money on back on Earth).

That could be said for every farkin' manned mission into space since Yuri Gagarin's flight in 1961, *IF* you take the short-term view of things.

Actually, I would think that liberals would love it:  It's basically a welfare program for nerds.

Looks like Geotpf is one of those guys who can't understand why metallurgists are making stronger metal compounds when they could be curing cancer.

I just think most experiments performed on the ISS could be done for a quarter of the cost by an unmanned probe of some sort.


Except that a lot of those experiments happen to be the effect of being in space for an extended amount of time on the human body, mind and spirit.

James!: What we should really be focusing on is how to get stuff from the ground to space cheaper and more reliably. Having an expensive sleep away camp for adults is less useful.


That IS the most important part. Been saying it for years. Setting off an explosion at the bottom of a pointed tube isn't really all that efficient. Once we get an established manufacturing and mining setup in space, our ships and exploration will be far cheaper, but getting off of the Earth will STILL be the most expensive part of the process until they fix it. I've also been saying for a long time that if NASA was run like a business, we'd have all of this already. I don't give a fig how much we spend on space, because I think it's all beneficial, I just wish we'd spend it more responsibly.
 
2014-05-14 10:49:41 AM  

Mikey1969: Geotpf: Mikey1969: dittybopper: Geotpf: The general point stands.  IMHO, the ISS (and manned space flight in general) isn't especially useful for scientific research at this point, especially considering the high cost of such missions (IE, there are much more useful projects one could spend said money on back on Earth).

That could be said for every farkin' manned mission into space since Yuri Gagarin's flight in 1961, *IF* you take the short-term view of things.

Actually, I would think that liberals would love it:  It's basically a welfare program for nerds.

Looks like Geotpf is one of those guys who can't understand why metallurgists are making stronger metal compounds when they could be curing cancer.

I just think most experiments performed on the ISS could be done for a quarter of the cost by an unmanned probe of some sort.

Except that a lot of those experiments happen to be the effect of being in space for an extended amount of time on the human body, mind and spirit.

James!: What we should really be focusing on is how to get stuff from the ground to space cheaper and more reliably. Having an expensive sleep away camp for adults is less useful.

That IS the most important part. Been saying it for years. Setting off an explosion at the bottom of a pointed tube isn't really all that efficient. Once we get an established manufacturing and mining setup in space, our ships and exploration will be far cheaper, but getting off of the Earth will STILL be the most expensive part of the process until they fix it. I've also been saying for a long time that if NASA was run like a business, we'd have all of this already. I don't give a fig how much we spend on space, because I think it's all beneficial, I just wish we'd spend it more responsibly.


This is an extremely rare occasion where I miss what Space Beverts could contribute to this thread.
 
2014-05-14 10:50:08 AM  

dittybopper: Geotpf: The general point stands.  IMHO, the ISS (and manned space flight in general) isn't especially useful for scientific research at this point, especially considering the high cost of such missions (IE, there are much more useful projects one could spend said money on back on Earth).

That could be said for every farkin' manned mission into space since Yuri Gagarin's flight in 1961, *IF* you take the short-term view of things.

Actually, I would think that liberals would love it:  It's basically a welfare program for nerds.


Space IS the ultimate resource zone. We need to develop technology, both public (government) and private (Corps like SpaceX) to exploit it. We do that, there's all sorts of interesting things that can be done.

/would love to see what can be done in zero g / near zero g for computers and metallurgy (alloys) alone.
 
2014-05-14 10:50:11 AM  
You guys are right. NASA is worthless. What have they ever done for us? Besides bringing us invisible braces, scratch-resistant lenses, memory foam, ear thermometers, shoe insoles, long-distance telecommunication, adjustable smoke and chemical detectors, safety grooving, cordless tools, motherfarking water filters, LEDs, VADs, artificial limbs, anti-icing systems, improved radial tires, video enhancing and analysis systems, numerous fire-resistant technologies, enriched baby food, portable vacuums, freeze drying, solar cells, structural analysis software, EWT software, work-out machines, modern swimsuits, joysticks, Super-Soakers, microchips, CAT scans, and powdered lube?
 
2014-05-14 10:54:40 AM  
The military launch industry is the biggest racket there is. ULA is full of ex military people who go tell their buddies at the DoD what they are going to pay them. They get all the launches with no questions asked, and can charge whatever they want.  Since anyone who opposes any reduction whatsoever of any portion of the military budget Hates Our Troops (tm), there is never any risk of the tap running dry. Of course when it comes to doing actual rocket science, well that's just too hard and expensive. So they just buy cheapass Russian parts.

Consider this: our most classified of military payloads are all launched, at 200 million a pop, on what is essentially a Russian rocket.
 
2014-05-14 10:57:18 AM  

Mikey1969: Geotpf: Mikey1969: dittybopper: Geotpf: The general point stands.  IMHO, the ISS (and manned space flight in general) isn't especially useful for scientific research at this point, especially considering the high cost of such missions (IE, there are much more useful projects one could spend said money on back on Earth).

That could be said for every farkin' manned mission into space since Yuri Gagarin's flight in 1961, *IF* you take the short-term view of things.

Actually, I would think that liberals would love it:  It's basically a welfare program for nerds.

Looks like Geotpf is one of those guys who can't understand why metallurgists are making stronger metal compounds when they could be curing cancer.

I just think most experiments performed on the ISS could be done for a quarter of the cost by an unmanned probe of some sort.

Except that a lot of those experiments happen to be the effect of being in space for an extended amount of time on the human body, mind and spirit.


Not ones making stronger metal compounds, though, as was mentioned earlier.  Sure, a few are like you say, but a good number aren't.
 
2014-05-14 10:58:55 AM  

Mikey1969: Geotpf: Mikey1969: dittybopper: Geotpf: The general point stands.  IMHO, the ISS (and manned space flight in general) isn't especially useful for scientific research at this point, especially considering the high cost of such missions (IE, there are much more useful projects one could spend said money on back on Earth).

That could be said for every farkin' manned mission into space since Yuri Gagarin's flight in 1961, *IF* you take the short-term view of things.

Actually, I would think that liberals would love it:  It's basically a welfare program for nerds.

Looks like Geotpf is one of those guys who can't understand why metallurgists are making stronger metal compounds when they could be curing cancer.

I just think most experiments performed on the ISS could be done for a quarter of the cost by an unmanned probe of some sort.

Except that a lot of those experiments happen to be the effect of being in space for an extended amount of time on the human body, mind and spirit.

James!: What we should really be focusing on is how to get stuff from the ground to space cheaper and more reliably. Having an expensive sleep away camp for adults is less useful.

That IS the most important part. Been saying it for years. Setting off an explosion at the bottom of a pointed tube isn't really all that efficient. Once we get an established manufacturing and mining setup in space, our ships and exploration will be far cheaper, but getting off of the Earth will STILL be the most expensive part of the process until they fix it. I've also been saying for a long time that if NASA was run like a business, we'd have all of this already. I don't give a fig how much we spend on space, because I think it's all beneficial, I just wish we'd spend it more responsibly.


NASA's primary goal is to get people into and out of space safely.

What kills is in space development is every congress critter demanding his / her due (jobs in their district) for supporting anything. NASA can't really do much because it has to design by congressional committee, to get the funds to even test the ideas for new lifters.

That, and Americans in general have forgotten what space can really give people: technology, health protocols, et al., so they don't push for NASA to get what it needs to up the game.

Elon isn't doing bad, but I want to see NASA return to doing what it does best: turning a wild idea into reality by throwing the manpower, brains, and money together to get the farking job done. To be given a real mandate to do something near impossible, something that will impact basic space technology, and will allow companies like SpaceX to build upon commercially.
 
2014-05-14 11:01:39 AM  

Mrbogey: We goofed in putting in that dependency.


Sometimes cold turkey is the only way to quit, but if there was no sacrifice on our part then this diplomatic and economic sanctions program would just be bullying.  This is what an actual boycott means: not me skipping Chick-Fil-A where I never eat, but actually denying ourselves of some resource to show how serious we are about something.
 
2014-05-14 11:03:04 AM  
We'll find out soon enough if these guys are serious--we are scheduled to launch a military spy satellite using Russian engines next week.
 
2014-05-14 11:04:19 AM  

Geotpf: Mikey1969: Geotpf: Mikey1969: dittybopper: Geotpf: The general point stands.  IMHO, the ISS (and manned space flight in general) isn't especially useful for scientific research at this point, especially considering the high cost of such missions (IE, there are much more useful projects one could spend said money on back on Earth).

That could be said for every farkin' manned mission into space since Yuri Gagarin's flight in 1961, *IF* you take the short-term view of things.

Actually, I would think that liberals would love it:  It's basically a welfare program for nerds.

Looks like Geotpf is one of those guys who can't understand why metallurgists are making stronger metal compounds when they could be curing cancer.

I just think most experiments performed on the ISS could be done for a quarter of the cost by an unmanned probe of some sort.

Except that a lot of those experiments happen to be the effect of being in space for an extended amount of time on the human body, mind and spirit.

Not ones making stronger metal compounds, though, as was mentioned earlier.  Sure, a few are like you say, but a good number aren't.


It's a simultaneous thing. They are running experiments up there, and are living experiments themselves.
 
2014-05-14 11:08:42 AM  

Wendy's Chili: You guys are right. NASA is worthless. What have they ever done for us? Besides bringing us invisible braces, scratch-resistant lenses, memory foam, ear thermometers, shoe insoles, long-distance telecommunication, adjustable smoke and chemical detectors, safety grooving, cordless tools, motherfarking water filters, LEDs, VADs, artificial limbs, anti-icing systems, improved radial tires, video enhancing and analysis systems, numerous fire-resistant technologies, enriched baby food, portable vacuums, freeze drying, solar cells, structural analysis software, EWT software, work-out machines, modern swimsuits, joysticks, Super-Soakers, microchips, CAT scans, and powdered lube?


NASA is good, the international space station is meh.
 
2014-05-14 11:14:58 AM  
So, ULA is screwed in another 6 years? Yeah, I think the folks at SpaceX are grinning from ear to ear right now.
 
2014-05-14 11:15:42 AM  

Wendy's Chili: You guys are right. NASA is worthless. What have they ever done for us? Besides bringing us invisible braces, scratch-resistant lenses, memory foam, ear thermometers, shoe insoles, long-distance telecommunication, adjustable smoke and chemical detectors, safety grooving, cordless tools, motherfarking water filters, LEDs, VADs, artificial limbs, anti-icing systems, improved radial tires, video enhancing and analysis systems, numerous fire-resistant technologies, enriched baby food, portable vacuums, freeze drying, solar cells, structural analysis software, EWT software, work-out machines, modern swimsuits, joysticks, Super-Soakers, microchips, CAT scans, and powdered lube?


Wat?
 
2014-05-14 11:16:43 AM  

dinch: Wendy's Chili: You guys are right. NASA is worthless. What have they ever done for us? Besides bringing us invisible braces, scratch-resistant lenses, memory foam, ear thermometers, shoe insoles, long-distance telecommunication, adjustable smoke and chemical detectors, safety grooving, cordless tools, motherfarking water filters, LEDs, VADs, artificial limbs, anti-icing systems, improved radial tires, video enhancing and analysis systems, numerous fire-resistant technologies, enriched baby food, portable vacuums, freeze drying, solar cells, structural analysis software, EWT software, work-out machines, modern swimsuits, joysticks, Super-Soakers, microchips, CAT scans, and powdered lube?

Wat?


You didn't realize Signs was historical fact?
 
2014-05-14 11:17:37 AM  
Time for your Daily Doom from some guy's blog.   Tune in tomorrow when Zero Hedge reports on the imminent market collapse which will happen any.day.now.
 
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