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(Al Jazeera)   There just might be a link between fracking and earthquakes if government officials in Texas feel like it's worth investigating   (america.aljazeera.com) divider line 46
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vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-14 12:31:31 PM  
Too many people say they feel the earth move while fracking for it to just be a coincidence.
 
2014-05-14 12:53:23 PM  
 
2014-05-14 12:54:58 PM  
m.quickmeme.com

Texas officials investigating. THAT'll happen.
 
2014-05-14 12:56:22 PM  
Jeesh.  Of all the things about fracking worth looking into, earthquakes should be at the bottom of the list.

 "Water contamination,  carcinogenic additives, local government corruption, that crap we can live with, but earthquakes scare us!"

No, I just don't see it.
 
2014-05-14 12:57:28 PM  
When you think about how the process works, how can it not weaken and change the supporting underground rock structure?  That is also why I do not think the waste water wells are safe either, and eventually will leak into everything.
 
2014-05-14 01:07:15 PM  
Thank God there's a news channel owned by Arab oil shieks willing to keep us infromed.
 
2014-05-14 01:08:47 PM  
If there was ever any chance of an investigation, it is now ruined after it appears on AJE.
 
2014-05-14 01:13:03 PM  

Laobaojun: Jeesh.  Of all the things about fracking worth looking into, earthquakes should be at the bottom of the list.

 "Water contamination,  carcinogenic additives, local government corruption, that crap we can live with, but earthquakes scare us!"

No, I just don't see it.


Everyone can feel an earthquake. As long as the water looks clean and no one they know has cancer at the moment, everything is fine!

However, this is the state where a chemical plant (located on the same block as an elementary school) blew up an entire volunteer fire department, and the legislature now thinks it might be able to pass a regulation that such plants should have sprinkler systems. But probably not. So I wouldn't hold my breath that they'd do anything here, either.
 
2014-05-14 01:14:01 PM  

Laobaojun: Jeesh.  Of all the things about fracking worth looking into, earthquakes should be at the bottom of the list.

 "Water contamination,  carcinogenic additives, local government corruption, that crap we can live with, but earthquakes scare us!"

No, I just don't see it.


Go to fracfocus.com and see for yourself.  Honestly, you are exposed to more carcinogens when you do the dishes and fuel your car.
 
2014-05-14 01:18:22 PM  

Mrbogey: Thank God there's a news channel owned by Arab oil shieks willing to keep us infromed.


Al Jazeera English is a well-respected news organization. You just make yourself look like an ass when you compare it to bottom-feeders like Fox.
 
2014-05-14 01:19:34 PM  

SauronWasFramed: Laobaojun: Jeesh.  Of all the things about fracking worth looking into, earthquakes should be at the bottom of the list.

 "Water contamination,  carcinogenic additives, local government corruption, that crap we can live with, but earthquakes scare us!"

No, I just don't see it.

Go to fracfocus.com and see for yourself.  Honestly, you are exposed to more carcinogens when you do the dishes and fuel your car.


I'm not even going to click on that website because I'm sure it's oil industry propaganda. Drilling companies are allowed to keep secret the chemicals they use in their hydraulic fracturing fluid. "it's safe, trust us."  yeah right.

If the chemicals used in fracking are so safe why do the industry insist on keep them secret? Trade secrets my ass.
 
2014-05-14 01:20:44 PM  

heavymetal: When you think about how the process works, how can it not weaken and change the supporting underground rock structure?  That is also why I do not think the waste water wells are safe either, and eventually will leak into everything.


One of my friends uses satellite radar interferometry to study vertical ground movement. He can show the ground sinking under cities and towns due to the ground water being pumped out and the support structure weakening. Houston is in danger of caving in.
 
2014-05-14 01:29:26 PM  

vpb: Too many people say they feel the earth move while fracking for it to just be a coincidence.


Really?  I have never heard of such a thing.

Maybe it is me.
 
2014-05-14 01:30:41 PM  

max_pooper: SauronWasFramed: Laobaojun: Jeesh.  Of all the things about fracking worth looking into, earthquakes should be at the bottom of the list.

 "Water contamination,  carcinogenic additives, local government corruption, that crap we can live with, but earthquakes scare us!"

No, I just don't see it.

Go to fracfocus.com and see for yourself.  Honestly, you are exposed to more carcinogens when you do the dishes and fuel your car.

I'm not even going to click on that website because I'm sure it's oil industry propaganda. Drilling companies are allowed to keep secret the chemicals they use in their hydraulic fracturing fluid. "it's safe, trust us."  yeah right.

If the chemicals used in fracking are so safe why do the industry insist on keep them secret? Trade secrets my ass.


It's fracfocus.org (but .com redirects you).

It's run by the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission which is a government agency (that's good) BUT a little more googling yields that some of the members are oil company cronies appointed by governors from the member states (that's bad).

So yeah, o&g industry propaganda.

/The yogurt is also cursed.
 
2014-05-14 01:32:14 PM  

spcMike: heavymetal: When you think about how the process works, how can it not weaken and change the supporting underground rock structure?  That is also why I do not think the waste water wells are safe either, and eventually will leak into everything.

One of my friends uses satellite radar interferometry to study vertical ground movement. He can show the ground sinking under cities and towns due to the ground water being pumped out and the support structure weakening. Houston is in danger of caving in.


Didn't even think about the effects on the areas where the ground water was removed.  That is asking for sinkholes.
 
2014-05-14 01:33:37 PM  

spcMike: Houston is in danger of caving in.


Houston, you have a problem.
 
2014-05-14 01:34:19 PM  

Laobaojun: Jeesh.  Of all the things about fracking worth looking into, earthquakes should be at the bottom of the list.

 "Water contamination,  carcinogenic additives, local government corruption, that crap we can live with, but earthquakes scare us!"

No, I just don't see it.


Speaking as someone who works at an underground mine in Texas...  I'm a bit concerned.

And man, I really wish eco terrorists or OBAMA or the state would shut down ever oil well within a mile of my shaft.
 
2014-05-14 01:35:58 PM  

powhound: spcMike: Houston is in danger of caving in.

Houston, you have a problem.


It might actually be an improvement.
 
2014-05-14 01:36:42 PM  

spcMike: One of my friends uses satellite radar interferometry to study vertical ground movement. He can show the ground sinking under cities and towns due to the ground water being pumped out and the support structure weakening. Houston is in danger of caving in.


ZOMG.

We have to move Karbach's brewery, quick.  The rest of the city can fall into the hole.
 
2014-05-14 01:42:48 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: spcMike: One of my friends uses satellite radar interferometry to study vertical ground movement. He can show the ground sinking under cities and towns due to the ground water being pumped out and the support structure weakening. Houston is in danger of caving in.

ZOMG.

We have to move Karbach's brewery, quick.  The rest of the city can fall into the hole.


But if all the hipsters in Houston fell into the hole, who would be around to drink Karbach's latest high gravity abomination?
 
2014-05-14 01:44:13 PM  

max_pooper: But if all the hipsters in Houston fell into the hole, who would be around to drink Karbach's latest high gravity abomination?


Eh, I'll try the seasonal stuff, usually just get a pint or two at the Alamo.

But Sympathy for the Lager and Hopadillo are good, get the occasional six pack or case of that.
 
2014-05-14 01:58:19 PM  
The earthquake thing is old hat to those of us in Colorado.  Back in the '70s, they pumped contaminated waste water from the Rocky Flats plant into the ground, and we'd have small earthquakes a couple of times a year.  Once they closed, no more earthquakes.
 
2014-05-14 02:02:30 PM  

Little Nikke: However, this is the state where a chemical plant (located on the same block as an elementary school) blew up an entire volunteer fire department, and the legislature now thinks it might be able to pass a regulation that such plants should have sprinkler systems. But probably not. So I wouldn't hold my breath that they'd do anything here, either.


Better to kill people than jobs.
 
2014-05-14 02:11:17 PM  

midigod: The earthquake thing is old hat to those of us in Colorado.  Back in the '70s, they pumped contaminated waste water from the Rocky Flats plant into the ground, and we'd have small earthquakes a couple of times a year.  Once they closed, no more earthquakes.



That's just a total coincidence. Earthquakes are caused by gay marriage.
 
2014-05-14 02:15:03 PM  
It may have to do with the fact that Oklahoma has had as many 3.5+ magnitude earthquakes in the past 5 months as it has had in the previous 100 years might have something to do with they wanting to review the science.
 
2014-05-14 02:41:41 PM  

spcMike: heavymetal: When you think about how the process works, how can it not weaken and change the supporting underground rock structure?  That is also why I do not think the waste water wells are safe either, and eventually will leak into everything.

One of my friends uses satellite radar interferometry to study vertical ground movement. He can show the ground sinking under cities and towns due to the ground water being pumped out and the support structure weakening. Houston is in danger of caving in.


ca.water.usgs.gov
 
2014-05-14 02:44:53 PM  

max_pooper: SauronWasFramed: Laobaojun: Jeesh.  Of all the things about fracking worth looking into, earthquakes should be at the bottom of the list.

 "Water contamination,  carcinogenic additives, local government corruption, that crap we can live with, but earthquakes scare us!"

No, I just don't see it.

Go to fracfocus.com and see for yourself.  Honestly, you are exposed to more carcinogens when you do the dishes and fuel your car.

I'm not even going to click on that website because I wish to remain willfully ignorant.


Fixed it for you.
 
2014-05-14 02:51:54 PM  
I find it most hilarious that the local county officials and mayors are GOP, and they are screaming to deaf ears (the GOP controlled State of Texas agencies) and their frikkin' counties voted overwhelmingly for Romney.
Such sweet schadenfreude.
 
2014-05-14 03:00:26 PM  

Maud Dib: I find it most hilarious that the local county officials and mayors are GOP, and they are screaming to deaf ears (the GOP controlled State of Texas agencies) and their frikkin' counties voted overwhelmingly for Romney.
Such sweet schadenfreude.


That's one thing I don't understand about the right wingers in this state.

The state and local governments are overwhelmingly Republican.
They biatch about "the government" ALL the time.   It's evil, can't do anything right, destroying them, etc etc.
Democrats are responsible for government being bad.
Obama is the fault of everything.

ANY state issue that's clearly 100 percent a state issue?  Still federal/government/Obama's fault.
 
2014-05-14 03:12:04 PM  

Laobaojun: Jeesh.  Of all the things about fracking worth looking into, earthquakes should be at the bottom of the list.

 "Water contamination,  carcinogenic additives, local government corruption, that crap we can live with, but earthquakes scare us!"

No, I just don't see it.


But, unfortunately it topped the list of reportable things.  "The general population of the area faces a 0.34% increased chance of birth defects as compared to control."  Simply doesn't sell ads like "the earth will shake and crab people will crawl out and take your baby"
 
2014-05-14 03:59:38 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Maud Dib: I find it most hilarious that the local county officials and mayors are GOP, and they are screaming to deaf ears (the GOP controlled State of Texas agencies) and their frikkin' counties voted overwhelmingly for Romney.
Such sweet schadenfreude.

That's one thing I don't understand about the right wingers in this state.

The state and local governments are overwhelmingly Republican.
They biatch about "the government" ALL the time.   It's evil, can't do anything right, destroying them, etc etc.
Democrats are responsible for government being bad.
Obama is the fault of everything.

ANY state issue that's clearly 100 percent a state issue?  Still federal/government/Obama's fault.


It's like that here in Alabama. It's not only state issues they do it with, but local too. I don't even think the federal government they blame is the actual real government, but some mythical strawman entity created in their minds by conservative media.
 
2014-05-14 04:00:52 PM  

SauronWasFramed: Laobaojun: Jeesh.  Of all the things about fracking worth looking into, earthquakes should be at the bottom of the list.

 "Water contamination,  carcinogenic additives, local government corruption, that crap we can live with, but earthquakes scare us!"

No, I just don't see it.

Go to fracfocus.com and see for yourself.  Honestly, you are exposed to more carcinogens when you do the dishes and fuel your car.


What is it we're supposed to see at that site?  It does have a list of chemicals, but it doesn't mention the concentrations used, nor does it say whether any of them are considered carcinogens, or even dangerous or safe, or at what levels.  You also can't locate a well's information unless you know the operator.  A slight misstep in their search engine, since the choices in previous dropdowns are reduced by the previous dropdown.  But not operator; every operator is shown as a choice for every well in the country.  Which means that I was not able to get any information on any well I looked at.

Here's the best information on that website: "You should not use the information obtained from this website, the USEPA Toxicology website or any other website to make decisions regarding the safety or drinkability of your water. "
 
2014-05-14 04:06:10 PM  

Mrbogey: Thank God there's a news channel owned by Arab oil shieks willing to keep us infromed.


Fox News?
 
2014-05-14 04:08:51 PM  
Remove organic liquids from the underground and replace them with aqueous liquids. What could possibly go wrong. Liquid is liquid, right?
 
2014-05-14 04:46:51 PM  

SauronWasFramed: Go to fracfocus.com and see for yourself.  Honestly, you are exposed to more carcinogens when you do the dishes and fuel your car.


"FracFocus, the website used by Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM) and other energy companies to disclose chemicals used in hydraulic fracturing, fails as a compliance tool for the 11 states that rely on it, a Harvard Law School study found."

"Using the voluntary registry for compliance with state disclosure requirements is "misplaced or premature" because of spotty reporting, lack of a searchable database and an "overly broad" allowance for trade secrets, according to the study published today by the Environmental Law Program at Harvard."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-23/fracfocus-fails-as-fracking -d isclosure-tool-study-finds.html
 
2014-05-14 04:51:06 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: SauronWasFramed: Go to fracfocus.com and see for yourself.  Honestly, you are exposed to more carcinogens when you do the dishes and fuel your car.

"FracFocus, the website used by Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM) and other energy companies to disclose chemicals used in hydraulic fracturing, fails as a compliance tool for the 11 states that rely on it, a Harvard Law School study found."

"Using the voluntary registry for compliance with state disclosure requirements is "misplaced or premature" because of spotty reporting, lack of a searchable database and an "overly broad" allowance for trade secrets, according to the study published today by the Environmental Law Program at Harvard."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-23/fracfocus-fails-as-fracking -d isclosure-tool-study-finds.html


nyrb.typepad.com
 
2014-05-14 05:11:08 PM  
Like most fracking related science, there is a way to get out of the consequences of fracking if one simply doesn't study the conditions before and during fracking.  See, with no evidence of it being wrong aside from anecdotes, then it is impossible for it to be a problem... since we don't have any science to back it up.

Science: if you don't do it, then bad things don't really exist.
 
2014-05-14 05:58:51 PM  

Maud Dib: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: SauronWasFramed: Go to fracfocus.com and see for yourself.  Honestly, you are exposed to more carcinogens when you do the dishes and fuel your car.

"FracFocus, the website used by Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM) and other energy companies to disclose chemicals used in hydraulic fracturing, fails as a compliance tool for the 11 states that rely on it, a Harvard Law School study found."

"Using the voluntary registry for compliance with state disclosure requirements is "misplaced or premature" because of spotty reporting, lack of a searchable database and an "overly broad" allowance for trade secrets, according to the study published today by the Environmental Law Program at Harvard."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-23/fracfocus-fails-as-fracking -d isclosure-tool-study-finds.html

[nyrb.typepad.com image 500x666]


Guy just sounded like a shill, you know? I had to look into it. Two seconds on Google and what do I find? Oh hey, he's either completely full of crap or just mislead. My guess is completely full of crap.
 
2014-05-14 07:42:40 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mrbogey: Thank God there's a news channel owned by Arab oil shieks willing to keep us infromed.

Al Jazeera English is a well-respected news organization. You just make yourself look like an ass when you compare it to bottom-feeders like Fox.


How is that any different from how he normally looks here?
 
2014-05-14 07:59:27 PM  

Fart_Machine: Just give them some pizza coupons.  Problem solved.


Pretty much sums up why I dont trust frackers.
 
2014-05-14 08:18:28 PM  

Truffle Kerfuffle: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mrbogey: Thank God there's a news channel owned by Arab oil shieks willing to keep us infromed.

Al Jazeera English is a well-respected news organization. You just make yourself look like an ass when you compare it to bottom-feeders like Fox.

How is that any different from how he normally looks here?


Give Sudo a few years.  Maybe he'll come up with a difference.  A minute one.
 
2014-05-14 11:00:21 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mrbogey: Thank God there's a news channel owned by Arab oil shieks willing to keep us infromed.

Al Jazeera English is a well-respected news organization. You just make yourself look like an ass when you compare it to bottom-feeders like Fox.


Lulz.  That's a good one.
 
2014-05-14 11:28:42 PM  

Ontos: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Mrbogey: Thank God there's a news channel owned by Arab oil shieks willing to keep us infromed.

Al Jazeera English is a well-respected news organization. You just make yourself look like an ass when you compare it to bottom-feeders like Fox.

Lulz.  That's a good one.


Fox News watcher detected.
 
2014-05-14 11:50:33 PM  
Not that 300 earthquakes since November isn't something to be concerned with, but why is that such a concern but this:

Fracking, or hydraulic fracturing, is a drilling method in which large volumes of water, sand and chemicals are shot at high pressures into rock formations underground in order to free oil and gas deposits. Afterward, large volumes of wastewater are shot underground at high pressure for disposal. Texas has more than 7,500 active disposal wells.

not something North Texans have been concerned with for a long time now? Even if it turns out that fracking has nothing to do with the seismic activity, this is still a huge concern. At least, it is to people who rely on clean water to live.
 
2014-05-15 12:19:28 AM  
Shrugs, you reap what you sow

I say, let 'em shake & bake
 
2014-05-15 02:04:34 AM  
Doesn't matter hurr durr you hippies think we can just get off fossil fuel like THAT

DURR
 
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