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(Metro)   Selling your son's wrecked Honda Civic for a penny to teach him a lesson about driving dangerously? Whatever it costs cheapo dad, it's worth it for your son   (metro.co.uk) divider line 73
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2014-05-14 02:34:22 AM  
Dad seems pretty damned stupid as he could have parted it out and recovered some of his money.
The rims and tires alone are worth money, not to mention the engine and transmission.

Once you've picked it to the bone, you sell the scrap metal.
Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.
 
2014-05-14 02:41:33 AM  

TommyymmoT: Dad seems pretty damned stupid as he could have parted it out and recovered some of his money.
The rims and tires alone are worth money, not to mention the engine and transmission.

Once you've picked it to the bone, you sell the scrap metal.
Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.


Sometimes the lesson is worth more than the cost.
 
2014-05-14 03:01:13 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: TommyymmoT: Dad seems pretty damned stupid as he could have parted it out and recovered some of his money.
The rims and tires alone are worth money, not to mention the engine and transmission.

Once you've picked it to the bone, you sell the scrap metal.
Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.

Sometimes the lesson is worth more than the cost.


But having the kid do the disassembly pretty much hammers home the lesson.
He'll regret every minute of it, and won't soon forget it.
 
2014-05-14 03:46:47 AM  

TommyymmoT: Sometimes the lesson is worth more than the cost.


But having the kid


Exactly.
 
2014-05-14 03:58:06 AM  

violentsalvation: TommyymmoT: Sometimes
 the kid

Ex


Yep, 100%
 
2014-05-14 07:03:40 AM  
It's Scotland, nobody is going to offer more than a penny anyway.
 
2014-05-14 07:26:35 AM  
Brand new 2000 Honda Civic?
 
2014-05-14 07:28:49 AM  
HAHAHAHAHA - look at that ridiculous souped up crudmobile. It's a 1.4 Honda Civic! When will these boy racers learn that you can't paint a turd.
 
2014-05-14 07:33:19 AM  

bonno: HAHAHAHAHA - look at that ridiculous souped up crudmobile. It's a 1.4 Honda Civic! When will these boy racers learn that you can't paint a turd.


I too don't like other people's hobbies.  Especially when they can't engage in it at what I consider to be an adequate level.
 
2014-05-14 07:34:44 AM  

grokca: It's Scotland, nobody is going to offer more than a penny anyway.


doppiareicartoni.files.wordpress.com
They're the laughingstock of the town.
 
2014-05-14 07:37:15 AM  
A fool and his money are soon parted out?
 
2014-05-14 07:37:20 AM  
CSB time

I bought a 1975 280z for 500.00 that this father and son had rebuilt because the son was told not to drive his fathers mercedes while he was on vacation. So what did the son do he drove the old mans car and put it in a ditch, I just happened to be driving by there house when they were putting the for sale sign on it. The boy was crushed, but I got a sweet deal out of it.
 
2014-05-14 07:41:28 AM  

staplermofo: violentsalvation: TommyymmoT: Sometimes
 the kid

Ex

0%


There's brevity and then there plain ol' loss of information.
 
2014-05-14 07:44:13 AM  
Why not sell the thing for what it's worth, then use the proceeds to take a vacation on Mallorca or something?

/Oh wait, they're Scottish - direct sunlight would probably make them burst into flame
 
2014-05-14 07:46:22 AM  

wheatpennyandaglock: CSB time

I bought a 1975 280z for 500.00 that this father and son had rebuilt because the son was told not to drive his fathers mercedes while he was on vacation. So what did the son do he drove the old mans car and put it in a ditch, I just happened to be driving by there house when they were putting the for sale sign on it. The boy was crushed, but I got a sweet deal out of it.


I'm still pissed off, I could have talked him down had you not been there


img.fark.net
 
2014-05-14 07:52:48 AM  

bonno: HAHAHAHAHA - look at that ridiculous souped up crudmobile. It's a 1.4 Honda Civic! When will these boy racers learn that you can't paint a turd.


Yeah, why aren't teenagers out there driving real cars, like Ferraris?  WTF is their problem?!
 
2014-05-14 07:58:52 AM  
Wow, that was a helluva article.
 
2014-05-14 08:02:13 AM  

Public Savant: staplermofo: violentsalvation: TommyymmoT: Sometimes
 the kid

Ex

0%

There's brevity and then there plain ol' loss of information.


You know, this is what happens when you are searching for a comment and use control F.   I've had that happen and have learned to search for the previous comment and scroll down to the one I want to quote.
 
2014-05-14 08:15:03 AM  
"It seems his ambition outweighed his talent on this occasion."

Freak'n Classic! xD
 
2014-05-14 08:19:14 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: bonno: HAHAHAHAHA - look at that ridiculous souped up crudmobile. It's a 1.4 Honda Civic! When will these boy racers learn that you can't paint a turd.

Yeah, why aren't teenagers out there driving real cars, like Ferraris?  WTF is their problem?!



They could take a mk3 or mk4 TDI VW and get way more performance out of it with a lot less money and effort than they put into making a base model Civic look like it has performance. Hell forget even souping up the TDI it has more power at the lower end than a Civic anyway all they want to do is chirp their tires from red light to red light with the bass pumping leave the car stock.
 
2014-05-14 08:37:02 AM  

RTOGUY: HMS_Blinkin: bonno: HAHAHAHAHA - look at that ridiculous souped up crudmobile. It's a 1.4 Honda Civic! When will these boy racers learn that you can't paint a turd.

Yeah, why aren't teenagers out there driving real cars, like Ferraris?  WTF is their problem?!


They could take a mk3 or mk4 TDI VW and get way more performance out of it with a lot less money and effort than they put into making a base model Civic look like it has performance. Hell forget even souping up the TDI it has more power at the lower end than a Civic anyway all they want to do is chirp their tires from red light to red light with the bass pumping leave the car stock.


VW's are better than Civics like Rosie O'Donnell is better than Sandra Bernhard. No wait...They're both ugly, not fast, and straight men don't try to get in them.
 
2014-05-14 08:38:18 AM  
img4.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-05-14 08:41:53 AM  

nukeim: RTOGUY: HMS_Blinkin: bonno: HAHAHAHAHA - look at that ridiculous souped up crudmobile. It's a 1.4 Honda Civic! When will these boy racers learn that you can't paint a turd.

Yeah, why aren't teenagers out there driving real cars, like Ferraris?  WTF is their problem?!


They could take a mk3 or mk4 TDI VW and get way more performance out of it with a lot less money and effort than they put into making a base model Civic look like it has performance. Hell forget even souping up the TDI it has more power at the lower end than a Civic anyway all they want to do is chirp their tires from red light to red light with the bass pumping leave the car stock.

VW's are better than Civics like Rosie O'Donnell is better than Sandra Bernhard. No wait...They're both ugly, not fast, and straight men don't try to get in them.


YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH

/runs away crying
 
2014-05-14 08:42:57 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: TommyymmoT: Dad seems pretty damned stupid as he could have parted it out and recovered some of his money.
The rims and tires alone are worth money, not to mention the engine and transmission.

Once you've picked it to the bone, you sell the scrap metal.
Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.

Sometimes the lesson is worth more than the cost.


This.  I remember having an argument with my mother along the same lines when I was about 5 years old.  No, I didn't have a car at that age, but she did throw something of mine away to teach me a lesson.  I don't even remember what the specific lesson was, but I think I got the general idea.

Why did the article keep repeating Gumtree though?  It almost read like an advertisement.
 
2014-05-14 08:44:42 AM  

gfid: AlwaysRightBoy: TommyymmoT: Dad seems pretty damned stupid as he could have parted it out and recovered some of his money.
The rims and tires alone are worth money, not to mention the engine and transmission.

Once you've picked it to the bone, you sell the scrap metal.
Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.

Sometimes the lesson is worth more than the cost.

This.  I remember having an argument with my mother along the same lines when I was about 5 years old.  No, I didn't have a car at that age, but she did throw something of mine away to teach me a lesson.  I don't even remember what the specific lesson was, but I think I got the general idea.

Why did the article keep repeating Gumtree though?  It almost read like an advertisement.


Bad lessons.   Destroying my shiat as a kid only made me sure that it was ok to destroy my parents shiat in a lesson about destroying peoples shiat.
 
2014-05-14 08:46:35 AM  
i46.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-14 08:54:56 AM  
Teaser


Brand new 2000 Honda Civic?


Old news is exciting?
 
2014-05-14 08:54:57 AM  
CSB:
When I was something like 19, I crashed my dad's pickup truck.  It was a crap 1996 rwd Chevy S-10 and the thing just started sliding out from under me in the light rain.  I wasn't speeding, limit was 55 on that road.  The truck ended up in the woods, the bed folded up in half like a taco.  The rear wheels would have been almost touching if one wasn't sheared off when we hit the curb.

My dad collected the insurance payout, and then hit the internets to find a new truck.  When he found one, he printed out the listing, gave me that insurance check, and told me he wanted the truck.  I looked at him and told him the check wasn't enough.  He told me that I shouldn't have wrecked the perfectly good truck he already had, and that I should find some money to make up the difference.

Lessons were learned.

/CSB
 
2014-05-14 08:55:31 AM  

grokca: It's Scotland, nobody is going to offer more than a penny anyway.


So much for my "Good luck getting a penny from a Scot" joke.
 
2014-05-14 08:59:12 AM  

gfid: AlwaysRightBoy: TommyymmoT: Dad seems pretty damned stupid as he could have parted it out and recovered some of his money.
The rims and tires alone are worth money, not to mention the engine and transmission.

Once you've picked it to the bone, you sell the scrap metal.
Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.

Sometimes the lesson is worth more than the cost.

This.  I remember having an argument with my mother along the same lines when I was about 5 years old.  No, I didn't have a car at that age, but she did throw something of mine away to teach me a lesson.  I don't even remember what the specific lesson was, but I think I got the general idea.

Why did the article keep repeating Gumtree though?  It almost read like an advertisement.


A car is quite different than whatever your mom threw away.  And why take a bigger financial loss for what the kid did, part it out, and make the kid do it with dad.  It will make him get close and personal with the damage he caused and so he can have a longer time to think about treating cars better.  You just toss it out, the kid doesn't have to look at, but just be bummed he doesn't have wheels.  It's akin to time out times scale, as in how long a kid spends in time out by age.  The guideline is one minute for each year of life, and well I say that scale changes dramatically for teens.  Go with one day per year of life and you may get through their thick heads.  The kid spending a fortnight taking the car apart will give him a better understanding and appreciation for cars that just tossing it away will ever accomplish.  And dad can recoup a few more pounds.

I learned to take care of my bicycles and cars by having to fix them myself.  If the damage was by bad usage, I changed how I used them.
 
2014-05-14 09:03:16 AM  

Maul555: gfid: AlwaysRightBoy: TommyymmoT: Dad seems pretty damned stupid as he could have parted it out and recovered some of his money.
The rims and tires alone are worth money, not to mention the engine and transmission.

Once you've picked it to the bone, you sell the scrap metal.
Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.

Sometimes the lesson is worth more than the cost.

This.  I remember having an argument with my mother along the same lines when I was about 5 years old.  No, I didn't have a car at that age, but she did throw something of mine away to teach me a lesson.  I don't even remember what the specific lesson was, but I think I got the general idea.

Why did the article keep repeating Gumtree though?  It almost read like an advertisement.

Bad lessons.   Destroying my shiat as a kid only made me sure that it was ok to destroy my parents shiat in a lesson about destroying peoples shiat.


I think that's a valid point, depending on the kid it can send the wrong message. This kid's parents may find their "lesson" come back to bite them in the ass later in life.


Also, to subby, Hero tag was not earned here. The father has rightfully earned the dumbass tag for even allowing his kid to have a racer in the first place.

If you're not convinced that your teenage child can be responsible, their first vehicle should be something like a Ford Focus. An old one that you can teach the kid to fix up, not some over powered racer.
 
2014-05-14 09:08:06 AM  

TommyymmoT: Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.


NO DISASSEMBLE!

www.shinyshiny.tv
 
2014-05-14 09:08:46 AM  

WhiskeyBoy: CSB:
When I was something like 19, I crashed my dad's pickup truck.  It was a crap 1996 rwd Chevy S-10 and the thing just started sliding out from under me in the light rain.  I wasn't speeding, limit was 55 on that road.  The truck ended up in the woods, the bed folded up in half like a taco.  The rear wheels would have been almost touching if one wasn't sheared off when we hit the curb.

My dad collected the insurance payout, and then hit the internets to find a new truck.  When he found one, he printed out the listing, gave me that insurance check, and told me he wanted the truck.  I looked at him and told him the check wasn't enough.  He told me that I shouldn't have wrecked the perfectly good truck he already had, and that I should find some money to make up the difference.

Lessons were learned.

/CSB


Was one of those lessons was your dad learning to keep good tires on the back of rwd light trucks?  If not, he made you take the blame for his bad equipment.  I learned the lesson about the tires without breaking the truck, close but I saved it.
 
2014-05-14 09:11:11 AM  
Cheapo dad?

I prefer Psycho Dad.

img.fark.net

Who's that riding in the sun?
Who's the man with the itchy gun?
Who's the man who kills for fun?
Psycho Dad, Psycho Dad, Psycho Dad.
 
2014-05-14 09:12:04 AM  
Do these "lessons" ever actually work? I remember a few things like this from high school, and the kids just went on to become even more poorly behaved.
 
2014-05-14 09:14:53 AM  

Uncle_Sam's_Titties: nukeim: RTOGUY: HMS_Blinkin: bonno: HAHAHAHAHA - look at that ridiculous souped up crudmobile. It's a 1.4 Honda Civic! When will these boy racers learn that you can't paint a turd.

Yeah, why aren't teenagers out there driving real cars, like Ferraris?  WTF is their problem?!


They could take a mk3 or mk4 TDI VW and get way more performance out of it with a lot less money and effort than they put into making a base model Civic look like it has performance. Hell forget even souping up the TDI it has more power at the lower end than a Civic anyway all they want to do is chirp their tires from red light to red light with the bass pumping leave the car stock.

VW's are better than Civics like Rosie O'Donnell is better than Sandra Bernhard. No wait...They're both ugly, not fast, and straight men don't try to get in them.

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH

/runs away crying


Don't let him get to you it will be okay. I hope the TF sponsorship makes it a little better.
 
2014-05-14 09:17:56 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: TommyymmoT: Dad seems pretty damned stupid as he could have parted it out and recovered some of his money.
The rims and tires alone are worth money, not to mention the engine and transmission.

Once you've picked it to the bone, you sell the scrap metal.
Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.

Sometimes the lesson is worth more than the cost.


Its a shallow, two dimensional lesson. In my opinion he should of made his son work on the car or pay for the repairs.

Better yet, make him fix up the car to where he can use it in a rally or something similar.  If he wants to race then show him how it's really done.
 
2014-05-14 09:23:54 AM  
I have a friend who'd sold his first (used, beat-up but reliable) car to someone who was buying it for his son, and a week after selling it, the buyer called, asking if he'd still had insurance on it, because his son had just totalled it.  Um, no.  My friend was a little depressed that the car that he'd nursed through college (and his shotgun wedding) and paid with fast-food wages, which basically represented his ascendance to somewhat responsible adulthood was wasted on a kid with no appreciation for it.
 
2014-05-14 09:29:52 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Do these "lessons" ever actually work? I remember a few things like this from high school, and the kids just went on to become even more poorly behaved.


Yeah, I know a kid who failed to learn this lesson half a dozen times until he got decapitated by his sun roof while flipping his latest gift from daddy.
 
2014-05-14 09:31:30 AM  

bingo the psych-o: In my opinion he should of made his son work on the car or pay for the repairs.


...

Have. Should have. 'Should of' is up there with 'supposably'. No sense, sir. You make no sense.

/not a grammar nazi... really.
//I just play one on fark
 
2014-05-14 09:39:46 AM  

strangeluck: Also, to subby, Hero tag was not earned here. The father has rightfully earned the dumbass tag for even allowing his kid to have a racer in the first place.

If you're not convinced that your teenage child can be responsible, their first vehicle should be something like a Ford Focus. An old one that you can teach the kid to fix up, not some over powered racer.


Yup...  My first car was my grandmas old purple Plymouth voyager minivan.  It was also the car I learned to drive with, and I had to buy it from her.
 
2014-05-14 09:47:30 AM  

RTOGUY: Uncle_Sam's_Titties: nukeim: RTOGUY: HMS_Blinkin: bonno: HAHAHAHAHA - look at that ridiculous souped up crudmobile. It's a 1.4 Honda Civic! When will these boy racers learn that you can't paint a turd.

Yeah, why aren't teenagers out there driving real cars, like Ferraris?  WTF is their problem?!


They could take a mk3 or mk4 TDI VW and get way more performance out of it with a lot less money and effort than they put into making a base model Civic look like it has performance. Hell forget even souping up the TDI it has more power at the lower end than a Civic anyway all they want to do is chirp their tires from red light to red light with the bass pumping leave the car stock.

VW's are better than Civics like Rosie O'Donnell is better than Sandra Bernhard. No wait...They're both ugly, not fast, and straight men don't try to get in them.

YOU SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH

/runs away crying

Don't let him get to you it will be okay. I hope the TF sponsorship makes it a little better.


Thanks dude! <sniff> I'm going to go wrench on my 1.8t now, since it's always broken in some fashion.

/Seriously though, thank you, you've made this work day a bit less shiatty
 
2014-05-14 10:04:50 AM  

strangeluck: Maul555: gfid: AlwaysRightBoy: TommyymmoT: Dad seems pretty damned stupid as he could have parted it out and recovered some of his money.
The rims and tires alone are worth money, not to mention the engine and transmission.

Once you've picked it to the bone, you sell the scrap metal.
Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.

Sometimes the lesson is worth more than the cost.

This.  I remember having an argument with my mother along the same lines when I was about 5 years old.  No, I didn't have a car at that age, but she did throw something of mine away to teach me a lesson.  I don't even remember what the specific lesson was, but I think I got the general idea.

Why did the article keep repeating Gumtree though?  It almost read like an advertisement.

Bad lessons.   Destroying my shiat as a kid only made me sure that it was ok to destroy my parents shiat in a lesson about destroying peoples shiat.

I think that's a valid point, depending on the kid it can send the wrong message. This kid's parents may find their "lesson" come back to bite them in the ass later in life.


Also, to subby, Hero tag was not earned here. The father has rightfully earned the dumbass tag for even allowing his kid to have a racer in the first place.

If you're not convinced that your teenage child can be responsible, their first vehicle should be something like a Ford Focus. An old one that you can teach the kid to fix up, not some over powered racer.


Uh, the car in question was a 2000 Honda Civic. With a 1.4L engine, which is smaller than the smallest engine available in that car here in the states. It's NOT powerful, it's NOT fast. It's basically on par with the Ford Focus you're talking about in the capabilities category. Sure, the kid slapped stickers and crap on it to try and make it look like a race car, but it's still a 1.4 Civic.
 
2014-05-14 10:06:20 AM  
I hydroplaned and drove up some guide-wires, up to the top and then flipped over in a ditch when I was 16 or so. I had just gotten my license, they hadn't even given me my hard copy yet.

Mom's Suburban (heh) was totaled. She got a new one with TVs in the headrests with the money so I always tell her that I upgraded for her.
 
2014-05-14 10:11:41 AM  

lack of warmth: gfid: AlwaysRightBoy: TommyymmoT: Dad seems pretty damned stupid as he could have parted it out and recovered some of his money.
The rims and tires alone are worth money, not to mention the engine and transmission.

Once you've picked it to the bone, you sell the scrap metal.
Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.

Sometimes the lesson is worth more than the cost.

This.  I remember having an argument with my mother along the same lines when I was about 5 years old.  No, I didn't have a car at that age, but she did throw something of mine away to teach me a lesson.  I don't even remember what the specific lesson was, but I think I got the general idea.

Why did the article keep repeating Gumtree though?  It almost read like an advertisement.

A car is quite different than whatever your mom threw away.  And why take a bigger financial loss for what the kid did, part it out, and make the kid do it with dad.  It will make him get close and personal with the damage he caused and so he can have a longer time to think about treating cars better.  You just toss it out, the kid doesn't have to look at, but just be bummed he doesn't have wheels.  It's akin to time out times scale, as in how long a kid spends in time out by age.  The guideline is one minute for each year of life, and well I say that scale changes dramatically for teens.  Go with one day per year of life and you may get through their thick heads.  The kid spending a fortnight taking the car apart will give him a better understanding and appreciation for cars that just tossing it away will ever accomplish.  And dad can recoup a few more pounds.

I learned to take care of my bicycles and cars by having to fix them myself.  If the damage was by bad usage, I changed how I used them.


That actually sounds like a good idea.  Make the kid fix it.  Not only will he learn something about fixing cars, he'll have to think about why he shouldn't wreck them.

This timeout shiat is too complicated for me.  We didn't have timeouts when I was a kid.  Sometimes we had to stand in the corner facing the wall, but I guess its' the same thing.  The only problem is then you have to sit there and watch them to make sure they serve their sentence, so it's almost like you have to punish yourself to punish your kid.

That's just one reason why I don't want kids.  That and they'd probably wreck the car and even if I made them fix it themselves, I'd still have a wrecked car - or if they actually fixed it a car that was repaired by a teenager.
 
2014-05-14 10:25:21 AM  

gfid: AlwaysRightBoy: TommyymmoT: Dad seems pretty damned stupid as he could have parted it out and recovered some of his money.
The rims and tires alone are worth money, not to mention the engine and transmission.

Once you've picked it to the bone, you sell the scrap metal.
Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.

Sometimes the lesson is worth more than the cost.

This.  I remember having an argument with my mother along the same lines when I was about 5 years old.  No, I didn't have a car at that age, but she did throw something of mine away to teach me a lesson.  I don't even remember what the specific lesson was, but I think I got the general idea.

Why did the article keep repeating Gumtree though?  It almost read like an advertisement.


you mom threw away her virtue, but we had a sweet afternoon!
 
2014-05-14 10:31:52 AM  
I disagree with the idea of a parent throwing away boatloads of money to teach a lesson.  A friend once wrecked is stepson's laptop because he had misbehaved.  Not only did HE buy the laptop to begin with, the kid needed it for school.  It wasn't just a toy.  So I don't know what the hell kind of lesson that was supposed to teach.  "Don't piss me off!", maybe?

It's one thing to take away a priveledge to teach a lesson.  It's something altogether different to exact serious financial harm.
 
2014-05-14 10:32:24 AM  

Maul555: My first car was my grandmas old purple Plymouth voyager minivan.  It was also the car I learned to drive with, and I had to buy it from her.


lack of warmth: I learned to take care of my bicycles and cars by having to fix them myself. If the damage was by bad usage, I changed how I used them.


You want a car, kid? YOU buy it, YOU maintain it, and by FSM you'd better have insurance first of all!
 
2014-05-14 10:34:15 AM  

AlwaysRightBoy: TommyymmoT: Dad seems pretty damned stupid as he could have parted it out and recovered some of his money.
The rims and tires alone are worth money, not to mention the engine and transmission.

Once you've picked it to the bone, you sell the scrap metal.
Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.

Sometimes the lesson is worth more than the cost.


Also some people don't want a trashed, disassembles car up on blocks in their front yard.
 
2014-05-14 10:35:05 AM  

bingo the psych-o: AlwaysRightBoy: TommyymmoT: Dad seems pretty damned stupid as he could have parted it out and recovered some of his money.
The rims and tires alone are worth money, not to mention the engine and transmission.

Once you've picked it to the bone, you sell the scrap metal.
Better yet, make the SON disassemble the thing.

Sometimes the lesson is worth more than the cost.

Its a shallow, two dimensional lesson. In my opinion he should of made his son work on the car or pay for the repairs.

Better yet, make him fix up the car to where he can use it in a rally or something similar.  If he wants to race then show him how it's really done.



That's just like,  your opinion,   man


/sides with father still
/saved for my first $200 VW by cutting lawns
 
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