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2014-05-14 09:14:24 AM  
but most people get up in the am and pull on their shoes anyway.

I think the writer is a moron.  Writing crud designed to make everyone alienated from each other.  How great is that.  "Hey! Lookit this!  I wrote a throw-away article that'll make everyone look down their noses at everyone else!"

Author wrote it for money, not, out of knowledge or desire to share or improve our collective lot in life.
Author should go sit in a corner until they know better.
 
2014-05-14 09:16:03 AM  
The author of TFA seems to have noticed the "poll" was a self-selecting online survey. So those respondents could very well be smarter than the average person. Only a couple of you farkers pointed it out, and the rest of you should feel dumb.
 
2014-05-14 09:17:31 AM  

Marcintosh: but most people get up in the am and pull on their shoes anyway.

I think the writer is a moron.  Writing crud designed to make everyone alienated from each other.  How great is that.  "Hey! Lookit this!  I wrote a throw-away article that'll make everyone look down their noses at everyone else!"

Author wrote it for money, not, out of knowledge or desire to share or improve our collective lot in life.
Author should go sit in a corner until they know better.


That corner's going to be crowded, what with the National Journal being what it is.
 
2014-05-14 09:27:38 AM  

GrymReeper: TFA fails in the first sentence. I stopped reading.


Yep.  I don't know about the average American, but I'm sure as hell smarter than the author.
 
2014-05-14 09:43:19 AM  
I spend most of my time reading stuff people waaay smarter than me write so I'm typically insecure about my intelligence.

Then I'll have a conversation with a coworker who thinks nothing existed before Christianity or doesn't believe that vodka has calories because "you'd see them".

Being smart enough to know I'm a farking dumbass makes me a genius in these parts.
 
2014-05-14 09:48:54 AM  

enry: I think how smart the average American is. Now think about how half the country is dumber than that.

-Rand Paul


Rand Paul is ripping off George Carlin now?
 
2014-05-14 09:58:42 AM  
 Captain, the most elementary and valuable statement in science, the beginning of wisdom, is, "I do not know"

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2014-05-14 10:06:13 AM  
izquotes.com
 
2014-05-14 10:11:08 AM  

kdawg7736: dragonchild:

Too dumb average to use the Obvious tag, subby?  America is one of the worst places in the world for the illusory superiority variant of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I was about to say the same thing. Great minds think alike.


Oh come  on. I really am smarter than the average American. But that's not saying much: that's the shame.

By the way, if I tie a cinder block to the end of my penis and chuck it out the 2nd floor window will my IQ get higher?
 
2014-05-14 10:23:38 AM  

The One True TheDavid: kdawg7736: dragonchild:

Too dumb average to use the Obvious tag, subby?  America is one of the worst places in the world for the illusory superiority variant of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I was about to say the same thing. Great minds think alike.

Oh come  on. I really am smarter than the average American. But that's not saying much: that's the shame.

By the way, if I tie a cinder block to the end of my penis and chuck it out the 2nd floor window will my IQ get higher?


I actually meant the obvious tag thing. Sorry for not sounding clearer.
 
2014-05-14 10:27:25 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Well, the Tea Party is sort of playing low-end outlier, since they're a good few percent of the population that might be enough to put like 55 to 60% of Americans above the mean by shifting the median a couple relative points to the right.

// Ho, ho, politics jokes


Except it is the democrat party that gets the award for most high school educated or less voters.
 
2014-05-14 10:27:49 AM  
These statistics would likely be the same for most countries due to the dunning-kruger effect. However the internet can't get enough America bashing, so we might as well make it sound like it's just a US phenomenon.

Carry on then
 
2014-05-14 10:28:05 AM  

The One True TheDavid: kdawg7736: dragonchild:

Too dumb average to use the Obvious tag, subby?  America is one of the worst places in the world for the illusory superiority variant of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I was about to say the same thing. Great minds think alike.

Oh come  on. I really am smarter than the average American. But that's not saying much: that's the shame.

By the way, if I tie a cinder block to the end of my penis and chuck it out the 2nd floor window will my IQ get higher?


I don't know. Give it a try and report back your results.
 
2014-05-14 10:41:01 AM  
One of the joys of being stupid is that you don't know that you are stupid.

FTFA: "Of course, a Ph.D. doesn't necessarily measure intelligence, nor does how much money you make."

Oh, this is so true. A PhD in physics requires smart; a PhD in sociology does not. A very successful CEO friend of mine, who has made more money in a month than most of us will make in a lifetime, is one of the dimmest bulbs I've ever met. He got rich because he was just smart enough to hire smart people to build and run his company. This left him a lot of time to hone his biz-speak skills to impress others like him.
 
2014-05-14 10:43:21 AM  
My step dad thinks he's a genius, a true modern renaissance man.

He also thinks Obama has issued more executive orders than every President combined ten times over because an email said so.

/what a moran
 
2014-05-14 10:53:33 AM  

JackieRabbit: PhD in physics requires smart


I don't know about that; I know at least one physics PhD who's a complete idiot when it comes to every other field of knowledge.
 
2014-05-14 11:16:13 AM  
55% think they are better than average?  No more than 49.9% are wrong, and it could be as low as 5% wrong.  That's a lot better than the number of people whose political opinions are wrong. :)
 
2014-05-14 11:43:35 AM  
I used to think that I was just "an Average American." But now I realize that I'm actually one of the smarter ones - and that's just damn scary on so many levels.
 
2014-05-14 11:48:47 AM  

dragonchild: Too dumb average to use the Obvious tag, subby?  America is one of the worst places in the world for the illusory superiority variant of the Dunning-Kruger effect.


Came for this.
 
2014-05-14 11:50:39 AM  
Not guilty, and got the Mensa badge to prove it!
 
2014-05-14 11:59:17 AM  
I smarder den all you.
 
2014-05-14 12:11:39 PM  
Yup, the Chad Kroeger Effect...pretty well-known actually...
 
2014-05-14 12:35:57 PM  
One of the links in the article makes reference to this paper, with the notable figure below:

scienceblogs.com

Basically, part of being incompetent is not knowing you're incompetent.  Also, dumb people tend to hang around dumb people, and smart people tend to hang around smart people.  In all probability you will be close to your own personal experience of "average", likely without any real knowledge of about how your perceived average actually ranks on a more global scale.
 
2014-05-14 12:41:38 PM  

Loaf's Tray: Yup, the Chad Kroeger Effect...pretty well-known actually...


I thought it was Larry Kroger....

/jus' sayin'
 
2014-05-14 01:05:07 PM  
FTA:
The most competent individuals also tend to underestimate their ability, while incompetent people overestimate it.


I see this quite a bit with my math grad professors.  These are some of the most brilliant people on the planet, and they're also the most humble.  I think when you're at that level of intelligence, you're constantly exposed to what you don't know -- whereas the average Fox News viewer is simply spoon-fed the notion that they're always right.
 
2014-05-14 01:07:59 PM  

fredklein: Um, 50% of Americans ARE smarter than average.


No. That's not what average means.

/had to be said, sorry
//I believe that I'm smarter than most, same as everyone else
///hopefully I'm right
 
2014-05-14 02:25:16 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Well, the Tea Party is sort of playing low-end outlier, since they're a good few percent of the population that might be enough to put like 55 to 60% of Americans above the mean by shifting the median a couple relative points to the right.

// Ho, ho, politics jokes


and Fark Americans think they are smarter than everyone.

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/10/87474-yale-professors-surprising-dis co very-tea-party-supporters-scientifically-literate/
 
2014-05-14 03:11:56 PM  

LazyMedia: Marcintosh: but most people get up in the am and pull on their shoes anyway.

I think the writer is a moron.  Writing crud designed to make everyone alienated from each other.  How great is that.  "Hey! Lookit this!  I wrote a throw-away article that'll make everyone look down their noses at everyone else!"

Author wrote it for money, not, out of knowledge or desire to share or improve our collective lot in life.
Author should go sit in a corner until they know better.

That corner's going to be crowded, what with the National Journal being what it is.


it's okay, it's a big tent with lots of room for everyone in lots of corners.
 
2014-05-14 04:14:26 PM  
There's a sure-fire way to determine if somebody is Mensa material or not.  If they spell it "MENSA" in uppercase letters as if it were an acronym, then they're not Mensa material.  "Mensa" is simply the Latin word for "table", similar to "mesa" in Spanish.  It is not an acronym for "Mentally Egregious Nerd Seeking Attention".
 
2014-05-14 04:39:11 PM  

Kinetic King: There's a sure-fire way to determine if somebody is Mensa material or not.  If they spell it "MENSA" in uppercase letters as if it were an acronym, then they're not Mensa material.  "Mensa" is simply the Latin word for "table", similar to "mesa" in Spanish.  It is not an acronym for "Mentally Egregious Nerd Seeking Attention".


I'll thank you not to defame the Making Earth Neat Society of America that way.
 
2014-05-14 06:10:39 PM  
55% of Americans think that they are smarter than the average American

Since in a perfect reality only 50% of Americans would think that, this sounds like a pretty accurate survey, having a margin of error of only 5%.
 
2014-05-14 09:33:35 PM  

rnatalie: [izquotes.com image 850x400]


Came for that. Thanks
 
2014-05-14 10:40:56 PM  
I took a Mensa at-home pre-test one flu-encrusted February night in 1993; they scored it at 137 and invited me to take the $25 proctored test. $25 was a lot of money to me then (and still is) so I didn't: the pre-test was hard enough that I feared wasting a month's heat money on failure, or worse passing and finding myself the dumbest person in the local chapter and the only one who wasn't a math/physics whiz. Keep in mind the neighborhood university was Johns Hopkins, which is packed with geniuses, and that I'm more like Rimbaud than Rain Man. (And a terrible driver as well.)

Seriously: imagine being the dumbest Mensa member, the only one who doesn't like hard Sci Fi and can't even figure sales tax in his head. That would suck worse than being the smartest troll on Fark.
 
2014-05-14 11:29:38 PM  
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/done
 
2014-05-14 11:44:32 PM  
fark you guys. I'm smart.
 
2014-05-15 02:12:22 AM  

The One True TheDavid: I took a Mensa at-home pre-test one flu-encrusted February night in 1993; they scored it at 137 and invited me to take the $25 proctored test. $25 was a lot of money to me then (and still is) so I didn't: the pre-test was hard enough that I feared wasting a month's heat money on failure, or worse passing and finding myself the dumbest person in the local chapter and the only one who wasn't a math/physics whiz. Keep in mind the neighborhood university was Johns Hopkins, which is packed with geniuses, and that I'm more like Rimbaud than Rain Man. (And a terrible driver as well.)

Seriously: imagine being the dumbest Mensa member, the only one who doesn't like hard Sci Fi and can't even figure sales tax in his head. That would suck worse than being the smartest troll on Fark.


Actually, Mensa doesn't want one dimensional math geeks.   For example, a very high verbal GRE score by itself will get you in (even if you bomb the math section), but a perfect math score won't.    It is just a social club and they want people who can engage in thoughtful conversation and apparently they have decided that those pure math types are incapable of that.
 
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