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(Salon)   Frasier proves there is a limit to internet nostalgia   (salon.com) divider line 116
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2014-05-13 11:59:43 PM  
Frasier was brilliant.
 
2014-05-14 12:07:36 AM  
Roger, at Cornell University they have an incredible piece of scientific equipment known as the Tunneling Electron Microscope. Now, this microscope is so powerful that by firing electrons you can actually see images of the atom, the infinitesimally minute building blocks of our universe. Roger, if I were using that microscope right now, I still wouldn't be able to locate my interest in your problem.
 
2014-05-14 12:56:06 AM  
Or Becker
 
2014-05-14 12:57:57 AM  
Didn't he bang his big boobed babysitter?
 
2014-05-14 01:02:28 AM  
www.kisax.com


www.onlyhotchicas.com

there was only one reason I watched Frasier.
 
2014-05-14 01:07:19 AM  
Niles ironing his pants.  Best scene in the whole damned series.
 
2014-05-14 01:13:54 AM  
Frasier was a paradigm of sitcom structure blended with an elegant frisson of classic drawing room stage humor akin to the finer works of Noel Coward. By comparison, this article is, as they say in France, merde.

/Eddie get off the couch
 
2014-05-14 01:15:17 AM  

Miss Stein: Niles ironing his pants.  Best scene in the whole damned series.


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I respectfully disagree.
 
2014-05-14 01:15:33 AM  
OK cool...blogs are starting to talk about stuff that I might reminisce about. I guess I'm getting old. And I'm loving it.
 
2014-05-14 01:18:28 AM  

Beerguy: [www.kisax.com image 850x637]


[www.onlyhotchicas.com image 581x800]

there was only one reason I watched Frasier.


An open question: if my ever-faulty memories serve me anywhere near correctly, during the first coupla episodes of the series, her character was written as having something akin to psychic powers. Then the rest of the season this aspect of her character was dropped. For a multitude of reasons, I stopped watching the show. Did that aspect of her character ever re-appear at any time during the remainder of the series's lengthy run?
 
2014-05-14 01:24:53 AM  
Sinbox:  An open question: if my ever-faulty memories serve me anywhere near correctly, during the first coupla episodes of the series, her character was written as having something akin to psychic powers. Then the rest of the season this aspect of her character was dropped. For a multitude of reasons, I stopped watching the show. Did that aspect of her character ever re-appear at any time during the remainder of the series's lengthy run?

It came up a few times throughout the show. I remember that Daphne had a psychic vision that her one true love would possess a dragon, and that episode ended with Niles holding a dragon statue. So it stuck around for quite a few seasons.
 
2014-05-14 01:29:05 AM  

Beerguy: Miss Stein: Niles ironing his pants.  Best scene in the whole damned series.

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I respectfully disagree.


Okay, I amend mine to "funniest".
 
2014-05-14 01:30:30 AM  

soporific: Sinbox:  An open question: if my ever-faulty memories serve me anywhere near correctly, during the first coupla episodes of the series, her character was written as having something akin to psychic powers. Then the rest of the season this aspect of her character was dropped. For a multitude of reasons, I stopped watching the show. Did that aspect of her character ever re-appear at any time during the remainder of the series's lengthy run?

It came up a few times throughout the show. I remember that Daphne had a psychic vision that her one true love would possess a dragon, and that episode ended with Niles holding a dragon statue. So it stuck around for quite a few seasons.


Ah...merci beaucoup.
 
2014-05-14 01:39:13 AM  
Others in this thread have already said everything I could and better than I could. I am simply posting this to show support.
 
2014-05-14 01:39:29 AM  

Dr.Zom: Frasier was a paradigm of sitcom structure blended with an elegant frisson of classic drawing room stage humor akin to the finer works of Noel Coward. By comparison, this article is, as they say in France, merde.


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I read that in his voice.
 
2014-05-14 01:44:43 AM  
I never could like Frasier, it's hard for me to like a show about a bunch of snobby, wannabe British, Americans. The best characters were the dad, the dog, and the hot British chick. The brothers gave me serious douche chills.
 
2014-05-14 01:50:32 AM  

TheJoe03: I never could like Frasier, it's hard for me to like a show about a bunch of snobby, wannabe British, Americans. The best characters were the dad, the dog, and the hot British chick. The brothers gave me serious douche chills.


Part of the joke of the show was how snobby and out of touch they were. That's like hating on All in the Family because the main character was a bigot.
 
2014-05-14 01:59:18 AM  
--I always thought the actress that played Lilith was cute. Didn't really get into the show that much tho.
/ yes, Daphne and Roz (especially in the "O" costume) were hot too
 
2014-05-14 02:00:12 AM  
daphne plus lilith plus me equals.....yeah, you know what I'm talking about
 
2014-05-14 02:00:44 AM  

B.L.Z. Bub: TheJoe03: I never could like Frasier, it's hard for me to like a show about a bunch of snobby, wannabe British, Americans. The best characters were the dad, the dog, and the hot British chick. The brothers gave me serious douche chills.

Part of the joke of the show was how snobby and out of touch they were. That's like hating on All in the Family because the main character was a bigot.


Well I've known more Archies than Frasiers in my life, Frasier was really hard to relate to as a member of the middle class. It's why I can't stand Kroll Show, most of his skits are about rich people and I just don't relate.
 
2014-05-14 02:05:04 AM  
While I enjoyed the show, it was basically the same 6 or so sitcom plots redone over and over again. It wasn't as noticeable as a weekly sitcom, but when you watch it in blocks on Netflix, it becomes apparent.
 
2014-05-14 02:08:34 AM  
Salon is really hitting bottom of the barrel with its daily articles attacking various comedians. Used to write for them too
 
2014-05-14 02:18:30 AM  

TheJoe03: B.L.Z. Bub: TheJoe03: I never could like Frasier, it's hard for me to like a show about a bunch of snobby, wannabe British, Americans. The best characters were the dad, the dog, and the hot British chick. The brothers gave me serious douche chills.

Part of the joke of the show was how snobby and out of touch they were. That's like hating on All in the Family because the main character was a bigot.

Well I've known more Archies than Frasiers in my life, Frasier was really hard to relate to as a member of the middle class. It's why I can't stand Kroll Show, most of his skits are about rich people and I just don't relate.


Well, I've never known any doctors on a personal level, nor have I ever been personally acquainted with people who have been to war (unless you count my grandpa who died when I was a small child), but I thought MASH was funny.

/Shrugs
 
2014-05-14 02:21:45 AM  
i.imgur.com

Frasier's daughter
 
2014-05-14 02:25:29 AM  
I think the reason there's no internet nostalgia is that nostalgia is dominated by 20-30-somethings fond for their childhoods. Fraiser was popular among older people, who aren't as nostalgic for something that was only 10 years ago.
 
2014-05-14 02:33:58 AM  
Hey everybody! Remember Ally McBeal?

...but it was a cultural touchstone of the 1990's! Like pogs! Except we talk more about pogs these days!
 
2014-05-14 02:45:43 AM  
Seriously, though, I had no problem with Frasier. That show was one of the masters of Making Things Go Completely And Rapidly To Hell.

The secret is randomly lighting things on fire.
 
2014-05-14 02:48:13 AM  
I think the real reason no one cares about Frasier is because it sucked big donkey's balls
 
2014-05-14 02:58:23 AM  

Gosling: Hey everybody! Remember Ally McBeal?

...but it was a cultural touchstone of the 1990's! Like pogs! Except we talk more about pogs these days!


sadgirlsguide.com
 
2014-05-14 03:02:15 AM  

B.L.Z. Bub: TheJoe03: B.L.Z. Bub: TheJoe03: I never could like Frasier, it's hard for me to like a show about a bunch of snobby, wannabe British, Americans. The best characters were the dad, the dog, and the hot British chick. The brothers gave me serious douche chills.

Part of the joke of the show was how snobby and out of touch they were. That's like hating on All in the Family because the main character was a bigot.

Well I've known more Archies than Frasiers in my life, Frasier was really hard to relate to as a member of the middle class. It's why I can't stand Kroll Show, most of his skits are about rich people and I just don't relate.

Well, I've never known any doctors on a personal level, nor have I ever been personally acquainted with people who have been to war (unless you count my grandpa who died when I was a small child), but I thought MASH was funny.

/Shrugs


Not trying to be a dick, but I never got why boomers loved that show so much. When the Super Bowl beat out the record MASH broke a couple years ago I was shocked it had the record in the first place. I might just be a douchebag millennial.
 
2014-05-14 03:54:19 AM  
The current wave of '90s nostalgia comes from people who were children and teens then. They weren't watching  Frasier. There's also the fact that the show was about five years past its peak when it ended.
 
2014-05-14 04:41:55 AM  
I burned out on sitcoms by the end of the 80's, and have never recovered.

Saw a handful of Frasier episodes.
 
2014-05-14 04:46:22 AM  

Scythed: The current wave of '90s nostalgia comes from people who were children and teens then. They weren't watching  Frasier. There's also the fact that the show was about five years past its peak when it ended.


Nailed it. Once they moved towards Niles and Daphne getting married it was all downhill.. Niles inability to get the girl was a cornerstone to the show.
 
2014-05-14 05:58:23 AM  
Wow, somebody got paid to actually write that.
 
2014-05-14 06:06:38 AM  
Always preferred Lilith over Daphne.
 
2014-05-14 06:57:34 AM  
Frasier started great and was always written very well, but the final seasons devolved into a sophisticated Three's Company.

It was VERY "farce":

Frasier enters room as Niles quickly exits room, Daphne is hiding in closet from Frasier who is looking for Niles.  Dad is in the other room on the phone talking about hiring a chef for a surprise party but Roz hears bits of the conversation from the bathroom and thinks he's ordering a hitman to kill Daphne, world keeps-a-spinnin'!
 
2014-05-14 07:01:24 AM  
I remember many, many scenes from Frasier...and none from Friends.

Guess that makes me something.
 
2014-05-14 07:10:31 AM  

Naritai: I think the reason there's no internet nostalgia is that nostalgia is dominated by 20-30-somethings fond for their childhoods. Fraiser was popular among older people, who aren't as nostalgic for something that was only 10 years ago.


I think it has more to do with Grammer being a raging douche who burned up all his good will with the fandom years and years ago. There's also the question of how relevant it is to the contemporary concerns of that 20-30 set. Friends was about some 20 somethings trying to make a living in NYC and figure out their relationships, and it included as many women as men in the main cast. Millennials, facing a rough economy at the time in their lives where most folks start families and an older gen responsible for the probs they face but temperamentally indisposed to taking responsibility for their decisions, can now relate to this show that they once watched as kids simply because they thought it was a bit funny.

Fraiser was a show about two men, where both recurring female character's lives revolved entirely around the men of the main cast, and the older generation was portrayed as a more conservative voice of reason. That the lives of women are largely treated as tangential and unworthy of exploration in the show writes half of its potential viewers out of the nostalgia-stakes and, since women have long been the driving creative force behind fandom generally, specifically the half most likely to keep the show's fandom alive and productive. Fraiser was a show about the lives and problems of the petit rich during the 90s, a class who arose out of the egalitarian social policies of the post-war era only to shut the door to similar such social mobility for those following them through their thoughtless embrace of the political and economic philosophies of Ayn Rand and The Birch Society during the 70s and 80s. A show like that has little of relevance to say to a gen dealing with the shiatty pay, job scarcity, workplace unsafety, massive wealth disparity, the slow but now apparent Jim Crowification of the Republican party, and general deregulation that the Boomers created.

It isn't relevant to modern lives, it doesn't speak to those who keep fandoms going,  and its main actor is a conservative prick with obnoxious views on women and the young who only occasionally knows when to keep his mouth shut. Why Millennials wouldn't feel any particular sense of nostalgia for the show makes perfect sense to me without any need to speculate that the show was simply "above" them when they were kids.
 
2014-05-14 07:30:38 AM  

Naritai: I think the reason there's no internet nostalgia is that nostalgia is dominated by 20-30-somethings fond for their childhoods. Fraiser was popular among older people, who aren't as nostalgic for something that was only 10 years ago.


I think old people are pretty nostalgic. It's just that they aren't generally spending so much time on Twitter and Facebook.

For me, Frasier is one of the best comedy series ever. Probably the greatest. No other series ran for so long and sustained such a high standard that I can think of. Good comedic farce is rare. Most of it is half-baked and irritating. In Frasier, the thing that the story hinges on is normally right there, at the start and treated as something so insignificant that you don't even notice it. But it also had, at times, genuine emotional depth without becoming mawkish. And most of that was because of David Hyde Pierce's brilliant performance as Niles, who made his pain believable.
 
2014-05-14 07:49:12 AM  

Gosling: Hey everybody! Remember Ally McBeal?

...but it was a cultural touchstone of the 1990's! Like pogs! Except we talk more about pogs these days!


At least it's not Murphy Brown.

When Murphy Brown was on the air, it was one of the most talked-about shows on TV.  But when Season 1 of the show was released on DVD it sold so poorly that they never bothered releasing the second season on DVD.  It's also rarely seen in syndication.

I guess nobody these days cares about Dan Quayle jokes.
 
2014-05-14 07:50:07 AM  
People get nostalgic about things they loved as kids, teens, or in college. People that were those things ten years ago get nostalgic about Friends and Mean Girls because they featured prominently in those times of their lives. These are also the people that are now your working writers and editors at most websites.

Frazier was a show for grown ups. Call it 30+. That means today you're 40+. You may have loved the show, but you're far less likely to enthuse about it on the Information Superhighway.

This isn't that hard a thing to understand. That writer is just being obtuse. Unless it's an in-joke?
 
2014-05-14 07:56:17 AM  
... possibly has something to do with basically no one caring about the anniversaries of show season finales at all, pretty much ever?

I mean, we don't even really consume media in that fashion anymore.  I watch game of thrones in like 3-episode bursts every month or so, for instance.  Why would I even know what month the seasons close in, much less care?
 
2014-05-14 07:58:26 AM  

whistleridge: That writer is just being obtuse


takemycountryback.com

What did you just call me??
 
2014-05-14 08:04:20 AM  

TheJoe03: B.L.Z. Bub: TheJoe03: I never could like Frasier, it's hard for me to like a show about a bunch of snobby, wannabe British, Americans. The best characters were the dad, the dog, and the hot British chick. The brothers gave me serious douche chills.

Part of the joke of the show was how snobby and out of touch they were. That's like hating on All in the Family because the main character was a bigot.

Well I've known more Archies than Frasiers in my life, Frasier was really hard to relate to as a member of the middle class. It's why I can't stand Kroll Show, most of his skits are about rich people and I just don't relate.


How sad for you that you lack the imagination to empathize with people who have had experiences different from your own.
 
2014-05-14 08:12:46 AM  
It was a decent how I guess but that Niles guy was just a ripoff of Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.
 
2014-05-14 08:13:37 AM  

Heron: Naritai: I think the reason there's no internet nostalgia is that nostalgia is dominated by 20-30-somethings fond for their childhoods. Fraiser was popular among older people, who aren't as nostalgic for something that was only 10 years ago.

I think it has more to do with Grammer being a raging douche who burned up all his good will with the fandom years and years ago. There's also the question of how relevant it is to the contemporary concerns of that 20-30 set. Friends was about some 20 somethings trying to make a living in NYC and figure out their relationships, and it included as many women as men in the main cast. Millennials, facing a rough economy at the time in their lives where most folks start families and an older gen responsible for the probs they face but temperamentally indisposed to taking responsibility for their decisions, can now relate to this show that they once watched as kids simply because they thought it was a bit funny.

Fraiser was a show about two men, where both recurring female character's lives revolved entirely around the men of the main cast, and the older generation was portrayed as a more conservative voice of reason. That the lives of women are largely treated as tangential and unworthy of exploration in the show writes half of its potential viewers out of the nostalgia-stakes and, since women have long been the driving creative force behind fandom generally, specifically the half most likely to keep the show's fandom alive and productive. Fraiser was a show about the lives and problems of the petit rich during the 90s, a class who arose out of the egalitarian social policies of the post-war era only to shut the door to similar such social mobility for those following them through their thoughtless embrace of the political and economic philosophies of Ayn Rand and The Birch Society during the 70s and 80s. A show like that has little of relevance to say to a gen dealing with the shiatty pay, job scarcity, workplace unsafety, massiv ...


OMG YOU ARE ANNOYING! Wahhhhh we have it tough wahhhhhh, Hey guess what every generation has it tough and yet they get past their pissing and moaning and make something of their lives.
Also Frasier was a great show.
 
2014-05-14 08:18:59 AM  

TheJoe03: B.L.Z. Bub: TheJoe03: B.L.Z. Bub: TheJoe03: I never could like Frasier, it's hard for me to like a show about a bunch of snobby, wannabe British, Americans. The best characters were the dad, the dog, and the hot British chick. The brothers gave me serious douche chills.

Part of the joke of the show was how snobby and out of touch they were. That's like hating on All in the Family because the main character was a bigot.

Well I've known more Archies than Frasiers in my life, Frasier was really hard to relate to as a member of the middle class. It's why I can't stand Kroll Show, most of his skits are about rich people and I just don't relate.

Well, I've never known any doctors on a personal level, nor have I ever been personally acquainted with people who have been to war (unless you count my grandpa who died when I was a small child), but I thought MASH was funny.

/Shrugs

Not trying to be a dick, but I never got why boomers loved that show so much. When the Super Bowl beat out the record MASH broke a couple years ago I was shocked it had the record in the first place. I might just be a douchebag millennial.


Yep,, You hit the nail on the head.
 
2014-05-14 08:24:56 AM  
The only joke I remember on the show was Niles had to get a rental car and he kept calling it a hunchback instead of a hatchback.
 
2014-05-14 08:25:29 AM  

praymantis: Heron: Naritai: I think the reason there's no internet nostalgia is that nostalgia is dominated by 20-30-somethings fond for their childhoods. Fraiser was popular among older people, who aren't as nostalgic for something that was only 10 years ago.

I think it has more to do with Grammer being a raging douche who burned up all his good will with the fandom years and years ago. There's also the question of how relevant it is to the contemporary concerns of that 20-30 set. Friends was about some 20 somethings trying to make a living in NYC and figure out their relationships, and it included as many women as men in the main cast. Millennials, facing a rough economy at the time in their lives where most folks start families and an older gen responsible for the probs they face but temperamentally indisposed to taking responsibility for their decisions, can now relate to this show that they once watched as kids simply because they thought it was a bit funny.

Fraiser was a show about two men, where both recurring female character's lives revolved entirely around the men of the main cast, and the older generation was portrayed as a more conservative voice of reason. That the lives of women are largely treated as tangential and unworthy of exploration in the show writes half of its potential viewers out of the nostalgia-stakes and, since women have long been the driving creative force behind fandom generally, specifically the half most likely to keep the show's fandom alive and productive. Fraiser was a show about the lives and problems of the petit rich during the 90s, a class who arose out of the egalitarian social policies of the post-war era only to shut the door to similar such social mobility for those following them through their thoughtless embrace of the political and economic philosophies of Ayn Rand and The Birch Society during the 70s and 80s. A show like that has little of relevance to say to a gen dealing with the shiatty pay, job scarcity, workplace unsafety, massiv ...

OMG YOU ARE ANNOYING! Wahhhhh we have it tough wahhhhhh, Hey guess what every generation has it tough and yet they get past their pissing and moaning and make something of their lives.
Also Frasier was a great show.


Lol. Let me guess you are a boomer. You really have no idea...
 
2014-05-14 08:29:30 AM  

Heron: Naritai: I think the reason there's no internet nostalgia is that nostalgia is dominated by 20-30-somethings fond for their childhoods. Fraiser was popular among older people, who aren't as nostalgic for something that was only 10 years ago.

I think it has more to do with Grammer being a raging douche who burned up all his good will with the fandom years and years ago. There's also the question of how relevant it is to the contemporary concerns of that 20-30 set. Friends was about some 20 somethings trying to make a living in NYC and figure out their relationships, and it included as many women as men in the main cast. Millennials, facing a rough economy at the time in their lives where most folks start families and an older gen responsible for the probs they face but temperamentally indisposed to taking responsibility for their decisions, can now relate to this show that they once watched as kids simply because they thought it was a bit funny.

Fraiser was a show about two men, where both recurring female character's lives revolved entirely around the men of the main cast, and the older generation was portrayed as a more conservative voice of reason. That the lives of women are largely treated as tangential and unworthy of exploration in the show writes half of its potential viewers out of the nostalgia-stakes and, since women have long been the driving creative force behind fandom generally, specifically the half most likely to keep the show's fandom alive and productive. Fraiser was a show about the lives and problems of the petit rich during the 90s, a class who arose out of the egalitarian social policies of the post-war era only to shut the door to similar such social mobility for those following them through their thoughtless embrace of the political and economic philosophies of Ayn Rand and The Birch Society during the 70s and 80s. A show like that has little of relevance to say to a gen dealing with the shiatty pay, job scarcity, workplace unsafety, massiv ...


Wow! Loosen the hair bun sugar-tits and just watch Murphy Brown. Not every show has to pander to your sandy vagina demographic.
 
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