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(Think Progress)   "Senator Rubio, what evidence can you provide that human activity is not contributing to global warming?" Rubio: "The checks I receive from Big Oil are all the evidence anyone needs"   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 213
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2014-05-13 04:17:27 PM  
He could've just said "Got nothin. Now what, f*ckos?"
 
2014-05-13 04:25:42 PM  
Yes, please prove a negative
 
2014-05-13 04:30:38 PM  

ElvisThroop: Yes, please prove a negative


This. Regardless of your opinion on climate change, this is a stupid question
 
2014-05-13 04:49:06 PM  

ArkAngel: This. Regardless of your opinion on climate change, this is a stupid question


Fortunately, it wasn't the question.

At a National Press Club event, Rubio was asked by an audience member, via a moderator, "what information, reports, studies or otherwise are you relying on to inform and reach your conclusion that human activity is not to blame for climate change?"

They asked for a source or sources for his claims. He couldn't answer.
 
2014-05-13 05:19:53 PM  
Rubio's denials are especially infuriating because he represents the state with the most to lose from sea level rise. Plus, FL doesn't get much energy from coal, most is natural gas, oil, or nuclear (not that natural gas and oil are green, but they're better than coal).

He should be on a clean energy crusade, not selling out the people he represents to the highest bidder.
 
2014-05-13 05:32:49 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Rubio's denials are especially infuriating because he represents the state with the most to lose from sea level rise.


Meanwhile, the projections of the damage sea-level rise will do to major American cities show Miami faring worse than any other except New Orleans. A mere five-foot rise would flood 20 percent of Miami and 94 percent of Miami Beach (compared with a mere one percent of Baltimore and seven percent of New York.) A 12-foot-rise would flood all of Miami Beach and 73 percent of Miami.

Marco Rubio Denies Climate Change While His Hometown Drowns
 
2014-05-13 06:15:14 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: TuteTibiImperes: Rubio's denials are especially infuriating because he represents the state with the most to lose from sea level rise.

Meanwhile, the projections of the damage sea-level rise will do to major American cities show Miami faring worse than any other except New Orleans. A mere five-foot rise would flood 20 percent of Miami and 94 percent of Miami Beach (compared with a mere one percent of Baltimore and seven percent of New York.) A 12-foot-rise would flood all of Miami Beach and 73 percent of Miami.

Marco Rubio Denies Climate Change While His Hometown Drowns


Indeed.

pbs.twimg.com
 
2014-05-13 06:42:15 PM  
That is just God circumsizing America
 
2014-05-13 06:45:01 PM  

ArkAngel: ElvisThroop: Yes, please prove a negative

This. Regardless of your opinion on climate change, this is a stupid question


You guys might try RTFA once in a while.

What it comes down to is that he is a passionate denier but is unable to explain why
 
2014-05-13 07:26:52 PM  
If you have no education, no experience, and no expertise with a field of study, you can't have an opinion about it. This is not elitism -- climate science is simply outside of normal human existence. I can legitimately have an opinion about whether it's going to rain tomorrow, even though I am not a meteorologist, because I've lived here in Minnesota most of my life and I might have observed something about the clouds or changing winds that would permit me to have an opinion. This is not the case with climate science. We don't perceive things in decades-long timescales.
 
2014-05-13 07:32:10 PM  
If we ban all coal in the U.S., if we ban all carbon emissions in the United States, will it change the dramatic changes in climate and these dramatic weather impacts that we're now reading about?

Reductio ad absurdum

/your argument is invalid

IIRC, there was a scientist who came up with a plan to basically scrub the atmosphere with giant windmill like contraptions. Difficulty: it would cost trillions.
 
2014-05-13 07:39:45 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: ArkAngel: This. Regardless of your opinion on climate change, this is a stupid question

Fortunately, it wasn't the question.

At a National Press Club event, Rubio was asked by an audience member, via a moderator, "what information, reports, studies or otherwise are you relying on to inform and reach your conclusion that human activity is not to blame for climate change?"

They asked for a source or sources for his claims. He couldn't answer.


He should used Palin's line.  All of them put in front of me over the years.
 
2014-05-13 08:27:25 PM  
Single issue voters outraged!
 
2014-05-13 08:29:17 PM  

cchris_39: Single issue voters outraged!


Oh, no...Rubio's wrong about a great many things, there's no need to focus on just one.
 
2014-05-13 08:32:24 PM  
When will we ask real questions like what are we going to do about global warming?
 
2014-05-13 08:34:23 PM  
Oh no.  An article criticizing a republican from think progress.  Whatever will do.  (yawn)

The only thing think progress knows about climate change is what Al Gore told them.
 
2014-05-13 08:39:23 PM  
 
2014-05-13 08:40:37 PM  
bobthemagnificent, that was really effective sarcasm. Very clever.
 
2014-05-13 08:41:55 PM  
those checks are exactly as "incriminating" as Global Warming Alarmists' checks from the Government... to justify the statist policies that retard American economic growth.

The Academia-Government Complex is an active threat to the prosperity the Free Market brings to Free Men.
 
2014-05-13 08:42:04 PM  
While growing up in the midwest during the 70s and 80s, we had blizzard after blizzard that would dump eight to ten feet of snow each winter. Hell, some blizzards required us to open our door every couple of hours to keep the drift away so we could get out of the house after the storm passed. The past few years have been fairly mild (mild for snow-fall amount, ice storms on the other hand...). How is that not climate change within my lifetime?
 
2014-05-13 08:42:56 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Oh no.  An article criticizing a republican from think progress.  Whatever will do.  (yawn)

The only thing think progress knows about climate change is what Al Gore told them.


It's not so much "an article criticizing a republican" as it is an article proving that Rubio has no fkn idea what he's talking about.  But it was a pretty dirty trick by those libtards to record his rambling, nonsensical question dodging "answer"

AV equipment has a liberal bias.
 
2014-05-13 08:44:16 PM  

TuteTibiImperes: Rubio's denials are especially infuriating because he represents the state with the most to lose from sea level rise. Plus, FL doesn't get much energy from coal, most is natural gas, oil, or nuclear (not that natural gas and oil are green, but they're better than coal).

He should be on a clean energy crusade, not selling out the people he represents to the highest bidder.


Even many clean energy sources (like natural gas) contributes to global climate change.  Taking carbon out of the ground and throwing it out into the atmosphere is what is causing the warming.  We need to stop doing that.  We need to develop non-carbon sources of energy and biofuels (which is carbon neutral) and find ways to take carbon out of the atmosphere and sequester it in a nonburning form to reverse the effect.
 
2014-05-13 08:44:46 PM  

The Maha Rushie: The Academia-Government Complex is an active threat to the prosperity the Free Market brings to Free Men.


Are you serious?  Should I laugh even harder?
 
2014-05-13 08:45:59 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Al Gore


durr
 
2014-05-13 08:49:32 PM  

cchris_39: Single issue voters outraged!


I don't know, outrage sort of implies it was unexpected. I mean, this is a gotcha story, but it's like fishing for your own pet goldfish. Not a lot of payoff.
 
2014-05-13 08:52:25 PM  

The Maha Rushie: those checks are exactly as "incriminating" as Global Warming Alarmists' checks from the Government... to justify the statist policies that retard American economic growth.

The Academia-Government Complex is an active threat to the prosperity the Free Market brings to Free Men.


You don't get to label the majority of people who believe mainstream scientific consensus.

you cant say:

- tobacco health alarmists
- DDT hoaxers
- fetal alcohol danger hoaxers
- round-earthers

It makes you sound like ignorant.  There are global warming deniers, and then, there is the rest of us.
 
2014-05-13 08:58:37 PM  
mrshowrules: You don't get to label the majority of people who believe mainstream scientific consensus.

What consensus? 97% of leading climate scientists is only about 700 people. Are we really going to let one ten millionth of the world's population tell us how to run our businesses? That sounds like communism to me.
 
2014-05-13 09:01:10 PM  

Draq: mrshowrules: You don't get to label the majority of people who believe mainstream scientific consensus.

What consensus? 97% of leading climate scientists is only about 700 people. Are we really going to let one ten millionth of the world's population tell us how to run our businesses? That sounds like communism to me.


Yet, so many Conservative let a single human slug with a radio show tell them exactly what to think on a daily basis.
 
2014-05-13 09:01:37 PM  

Draq: That sounds like communism to me.


HAR!
 
2014-05-13 09:02:30 PM  
"Well, again, headlines notwithstanding, I've never disputed that the climate is changing..."

No, but your entire political party did.  The official GOP party platform in 2008 said that the climate is not changing and all of the data is a lie.

You don't get to move the goalposts, tacitly admit you were completely wrong, and then expect people to believe your new position.
 
2014-05-13 09:04:47 PM  

Draq: mrshowrules: You don't get to label the majority of people who believe mainstream scientific consensus.

What consensus? 97% of leading climate scientists is only about 700 people. Are we really going to let one ten millionth of the world's population tell us how to run our businesses? That sounds like communism to me.


I agree.  When doctors told me I was ill and needed to take medicine, I decided to walk door to door and ask random people if they thought I needed this medication.  Most of them agreed that I didn't look particularly sick, so I decided not to take the medicine.

There are a lot more non-doctors than doctors, so it seems right to not restrict myself to just the opinions of "experts"
 
2014-05-13 09:04:54 PM  
It's a trick question because a lot of these politicians don't form their opinions based on anything as concrete as evidence or studies, they form their opinions based on what their perceived constituents want to believe.

Which makes it really difficult when you're running for President becuase your constituency encompasses far more than the derp brigaide.
 
2014-05-13 09:07:02 PM  
Rubio will be seeking the Republican nomination so this is the position he needs to take in order to win.  Then he has to sell this position to Democrats and Independents.  Good luck with that.
 
2014-05-13 09:07:18 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Draq: mrshowrules: You don't get to label the majority of people who believe mainstream scientific consensus.

What consensus? 97% of leading climate scientists is only about 700 people. Are we really going to let one ten millionth of the world's population tell us how to run our businesses? That sounds like communism to me.

I agree.  When doctors told me I was ill and needed to take medicine, I decided to walk door to door and ask random people if they thought I needed this medication.  Most of them agreed that I didn't look particularly sick, so I decided not to take the medicine.

There are a lot more non-doctors than doctors, so it seems right to not restrict myself to just the opinions of "experts"


But I think he might be on to something. Global Warmunism could be a huge threat to muh freedoms.
 
2014-05-13 09:12:56 PM  

make me some tea: Dusk-You-n-Me: TuteTibiImperes: Rubio's denials are especially infuriating because he represents the state with the most to lose from sea level rise.

Meanwhile, the projections of the damage sea-level rise will do to major American cities show Miami faring worse than any other except New Orleans. A mere five-foot rise would flood 20 percent of Miami and 94 percent of Miami Beach (compared with a mere one percent of Baltimore and seven percent of New York.) A 12-foot-rise would flood all of Miami Beach and 73 percent of Miami.

Marco Rubio Denies Climate Change While His Hometown Drowns

Indeed.


That map seems to show Mexico entirely under water. Mexico City is 7943 ft above sea level. It is "scientific evidence" like this that causes skeptics to question the rigor of evidence put forward by climatologist.
 
2014-05-13 09:16:08 PM  

Lucky LaRue: It is "scientific evidence" like this that causes skeptics to question the rigor of evidence put forward by climatologist.


derp
 
2014-05-13 09:16:26 PM  
Empty suit senator won't be stooping for his water when the oceans began to rise.
 
2014-05-13 09:16:51 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Al Gore


DRINK!

pchouky: If you have no education, no experience, and no expertise with a field of study, you can't have an opinion about it. This is not elitism -- climate science is simply outside of normal human existence. I can legitimately have an opinion about whether it's going to rain tomorrow, even though I am not a meteorologist, because I've lived here in Minnesota most of my life and I might have observed something about the clouds or changing winds that would permit me to have an opinion. This is not the case with climate science. We don't perceive things in decades-long timescales.


Yup.  To borrow from John Oliver, we might as well ask Marco Rubio "Do owls exist?"  His opinion has no bearing on reality.
 
2014-05-13 09:17:17 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: The Maha Rushie: The Academia-Government Complex is an active threat to the prosperity the Free Market brings to Free Men.

Are you serious?  Should I laugh even harder?


The new derp in town. Of the "drop a turd in the punchbowl and run" school.
 
2014-05-13 09:17:46 PM  

bobothemagnificent: The only thing think progress knows about climate change is what Al Gore told them.


And what does bobothemagnificent know about climate change?  Oh, yes, here it is:  "Volcanic activity alone outstrips all human CO2 production."  i.e., what some retarded climate skeptic website told him.
 
2014-05-13 09:20:04 PM  

Ambitwistor: bobothemagnificent: The only thing think progress knows about climate change is what Al Gore told them.

And what does bobothemagnificent know about climate change?  Oh, yes, here it is:  "Volcanic activity alone outstrips all human CO2 production."  i.e., what some retarded climate skeptic website told him.


The really sad thing is that his material is from a good decade ago. It's not even exciting.
 
2014-05-13 09:20:26 PM  

DrBenway: Lionel Mandrake: The Maha Rushie: The Academia-Government Complex is an active threat to the prosperity the Free Market brings to Free Men.

Are you serious?  Should I laugh even harder?

The new derp in town. Of the "drop a turd in the punchbowl and run" school.


No so much derp, more like PN- or Lowell-esque performance art.
 
2014-05-13 09:20:47 PM  

whidbey: Lucky LaRue: It is "scientific evidence" like this that causes skeptics to question the rigor of evidence put forward by climatologist.

derp


Rather than trying to be an internet tough-guy, and responding with inarticulate grunting more appropriate to a middle school playground, why not look at the map, consider my argument, and make a rational rebuttal?
 
2014-05-13 09:21:06 PM  

The Maha Rushie: those checks are exactly as "incriminating" as Global Warming Alarmists' checks from the Government... to justify the statist policies that retard American economic growth.

The Academia-Government Complex is an active threat to the prosperity the Free Market brings to Free Men.


You're a loon.
 
2014-05-13 09:22:38 PM  

Lucky LaRue: make me some tea: Dusk-You-n-Me: TuteTibiImperes: Rubio's denials are especially infuriating because he represents the state with the most to lose from sea level rise.

Meanwhile, the projections of the damage sea-level rise will do to major American cities show Miami faring worse than any other except New Orleans. A mere five-foot rise would flood 20 percent of Miami and 94 percent of Miami Beach (compared with a mere one percent of Baltimore and seven percent of New York.) A 12-foot-rise would flood all of Miami Beach and 73 percent of Miami.


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Marco Rubio Denies Climate Change While His Hometown Drowns

Indeed.

That map seems to show Mexico entirely under water. Mexico City is 7943 ft above sea level. It is "scientific evidence" like this that causes skeptics to question the rigor of evidence put forward by climatologist.


Are you drunk?
 
2014-05-13 09:24:09 PM  

Lucky LaRue: whidbey: Lucky LaRue: It is "scientific evidence" like this that causes skeptics to question the rigor of evidence put forward by climatologist.

derp

Rather than trying to be an internet tough-guy, and responding with inarticulate grunting more appropriate to a middle school playground, why not look at the map, consider my argument, and make a rational rebuttal?


We're not even looking at the same map. Where are you seeing Mexico?
 
2014-05-13 09:25:06 PM  

pchouky: We don't perceive things in decades-long timescales.


I think we do. It's called history, and is examined from many disciplines.

1776. Pretty sure it was decades ago.
 
2014-05-13 09:25:18 PM  

Lucky LaRue: make me some tea: Dusk-You-n-Me: TuteTibiImperes: Rubio's denials are especially infuriating because he represents the state with the most to lose from sea level rise.

Meanwhile, the projections of the damage sea-level rise will do to major American cities show Miami faring worse than any other except New Orleans. A mere five-foot rise would flood 20 percent of Miami and 94 percent of Miami Beach (compared with a mere one percent of Baltimore and seven percent of New York.) A 12-foot-rise would flood all of Miami Beach and 73 percent of Miami.

Marco Rubio Denies Climate Change While His Hometown Drowns

Indeed.

That map seems to show Mexico entirely under water. Mexico City is 7943 ft above sea level. It is "scientific evidence" like this that causes skeptics to question the rigor of evidence put forward by climatologist.


Do you understand what projections are?
 
2014-05-13 09:28:47 PM  

whidbey: Lucky LaRue: whidbey: Lucky LaRue: It is "scientific evidence" like this that causes skeptics to question the rigor of evidence put forward by climatologist.

derp

Rather than trying to be an internet tough-guy, and responding with inarticulate grunting more appropriate to a middle school playground, why not look at the map, consider my argument, and make a rational rebuttal?

We're not even looking at the same map. Where are you seeing Mexico?


Ah jeeze I missed that derp. It's worse than I thought.
 
2014-05-13 09:29:49 PM  

Fart_Machine: Lucky LaRue: make me some tea: Dusk-You-n-Me: TuteTibiImperes: Rubio's denials are especially infuriating because he represents the state with the most to lose from sea level rise.

Meanwhile, the projections of the damage sea-level rise will do to major American cities show Miami faring worse than any other except New Orleans. A mere five-foot rise would flood 20 percent of Miami and 94 percent of Miami Beach (compared with a mere one percent of Baltimore and seven percent of New York.) A 12-foot-rise would flood all of Miami Beach and 73 percent of Miami.

Marco Rubio Denies Climate Change While His Hometown Drowns

Indeed.

That map seems to show Mexico entirely under water. Mexico City is 7943 ft above sea level. It is "scientific evidence" like this that causes skeptics to question the rigor of evidence put forward by climatologist.

Do you understand what projections are?


Sure I do. Do you know what projections that show a city 1.5 miles above sea level being underwater are?
 
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