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(PBS)   Two high school students give the world a lesson in tenacity and ingenuity by designing and 3D printing a functionally improved ketchup cap. In return they will receive a lesson in intellectual property theft as Big Condiment will likely steal it   (pbs.org ) divider line
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2014-05-13 03:02:15 PM  
the way it's designed, it'll be close to impossible to squeeze that last inch of ketchup out of the bottle, so I'd imagine "big condiment" will be all over this!
 
2014-05-13 03:14:27 PM  
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2014-05-13 03:52:47 PM  
"Wet bread is gross," said Thompson, explaining why they decided to tackle the problem

Why in the name of all that is holy would someone put ketchup onto bread?  That's disgusting.
 
2014-05-13 03:59:27 PM  
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2014-05-13 04:05:48 PM  
You wouldn't download a ketchup cap.
 
2014-05-13 04:25:30 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "Wet bread is gross," said Thompson, explaining why they decided to tackle the problem

Why in the name of all that is holy would someone put ketchup onto bread?  That's disgusting.


Hot dog buns are bread.
 
2014-05-13 04:42:06 PM  

R.A.Danny: Marcus Aurelius: "Wet bread is gross," said Thompson, explaining why they decided to tackle the problem

Why in the name of all that is holy would someone put ketchup onto bread?  That's disgusting.

Hot dog buns are bread.


That argument isn't going to help you with much of this crowd. The idiot brigade who think ketchup doesn't belong on hot dogs.
 
2014-05-13 04:51:57 PM  

ArkAngel: R.A.Danny: Marcus Aurelius: "Wet bread is gross," said Thompson, explaining why they decided to tackle the problem

Why in the name of all that is holy would someone put ketchup onto bread?  That's disgusting.

Hot dog buns are bread.

That argument isn't going to help you with much of this crowd. The idiot brigade who think ketchup doesn't belong on hot dogs.


I'm from Chicago. I just hope they find a way to use this wonderful new technology on mustard.
 
2014-05-13 04:53:23 PM  
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2014-05-13 04:54:21 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "Wet bread is gross," said Thompson, explaining why they decided to tackle the problem

Why in the name of all that is holy would someone put ketchup onto bread?  That's disgusting.


I generally apply ketchup between the cheese and the upper bun on many sandwiches that I prepare for personal consumption.
 
2014-05-13 04:54:41 PM  
http://R.A.Danny/

I'm from Chicago. I just hope they find a way to use this wonderful new technology on mustard.

I would assume the same if not very similar. I hope they are on the way to the patented office or layering up to meet with Heinz.
 
2014-05-13 04:55:05 PM  

ArkAngel: R.A.Danny: Marcus Aurelius: "Wet bread is gross," said Thompson, explaining why they decided to tackle the problem

Why in the name of all that is holy would someone put ketchup onto bread?  That's disgusting.

Hot dog buns are bread.

That argument isn't going to help you with much of this crowd. The idiot brigade who think ketchup doesn't belong on hot dogs.


I know, I know.  Everyone over the age of 14 has sold out to 'the man'.  We get it.  You go ahead and keep putting ketchup on your hot dogs for as long as you want.  Maybe after you finally wean your tastes will change.
 
2014-05-13 04:55:17 PM  
Who says that everything has been invented.

I actually agree with their idea here.  And my first thought (just like the teacher) was, "just shake the bottle".  But really, we all forget to do that.
Perhaps it is time for a new design.

These guys need to move fast, get a patent, and get those folks from Shark Tank to invest in the whole thing.
 
2014-05-13 04:55:57 PM  
If it's printed, surely it becomes "published", and protected by copyright (100+ years) rather than  a patent (20 years). ?
 
2014-05-13 04:56:13 PM  
One of the things that stories like this highlight for me isn't that these are super smart kids, but rather that big companies simply don't bother trying to improve their products or packaging.  I'd bet that you could put a dozen random farkers into a room and have five or six decent redesign ideas within a few hours.
 
2014-05-13 04:56:29 PM  

durbnpoisn: And my first thought (just like the teacher) was, "just shake the bottle"


That stops working as you get less and less product in the bottle.
 
2014-05-13 04:57:37 PM  
"on a hotdog" WTF
 
2014-05-13 04:57:52 PM  
Or you could give the ketchup a little shake before you pour it.
 
2014-05-13 04:59:50 PM  
"I said that they could just shake the bottle and that there is a free solution," Kisker said. "But they did a lot of research and they had me convinced that this problem really does exist."

Then Kisker is a dumbass.
You show me one farking teen that can't do this *makes jerking motion with his hands and wrist"
All you're doing is tooting your own 3-D printing horns.
You get your ass out there and 3-D print me something usefull, liek a farking Kidney (Oh? It's been done?)
Ok then a farknig 45 RPM recording of Dee Dee Sharp's "Mashed Potatoe Time" with "Doin' The Shottish" on the B side, and I'll be farking impressed.
3_D print that.
 
2014-05-13 05:00:15 PM  

Perducci: One of the things that stories like this highlight for me isn't that these are super smart kids, but rather that big companies simply don't bother trying to improve their products or packaging.  I'd bet that you could put a dozen random farkers into a room and have five or six decent redesign ideas within a few hours.


The design probably doesn't need improving.  You just shake the bottle.  As pointed out above, this cap will make it impossible to get the final 1 inch or so of ketchup out of the bottle, which will piss off consumers, and it will raise prices.
 
2014-05-13 05:00:37 PM  
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What about mustard?

 
2014-05-13 05:00:41 PM  

rippan taro: If it's printed, surely it becomes "published", and protected by copyright (100+ years) rather than  a patent (20 years). ?


Wouldn't that just protect the document detailing the cap, not the cap design itself?
 
2014-05-13 05:00:59 PM  
Or they could just set those 6 bottles the way they are DESIGNED to sit and they won't have water.
 
2014-05-13 05:02:09 PM  

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So you're saying that little girl gathered the petro-chemicals, mixed up the plastic, worked out what mineral concentrations to use for the dyes, made the injection molds for those blocks, built all the roads the raw ingredients had to travel on to reach that stage, AND had time to build a cute little tower?  All without relying on any element of support from the rest of society from transportation infrastructure, to the electrical grid, to water, to waste management, to hospitals to be born in and for her mother before her to be born in?  I'm impressed.
 
2014-05-13 05:02:10 PM  
these two idiots never learned to shake the bottle?  also what is with all the hunts?  Its Heinz or nothing!
 
2014-05-13 05:03:44 PM  

rippan taro: If it's printed, surely it becomes "published", and protected by copyright (100+ years) rather than  a patent (20 years). ?


Yes, that particular printed thing is protected by copyright. You can't take castings of it to make others, or take its measurements and make a copy. You can, however, freely make your own without infringing copyright. Patents would protect against the latter.
 
2014-05-13 05:05:23 PM  
Their first problem is buying Hunt's.
 
2014-05-13 05:05:33 PM  
And this is why my NDA specifies that arbitration will be done according to Salic law in case I and the other party cannot agree on who arbitrates. That means trial by combat.

It has happened twice and, to be fair, I lost the last instance because the other guy used to be a semi-pro fencer before starting his company -- we still had fun with it though.
 
2014-05-13 05:05:47 PM  
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2014-05-13 05:10:30 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: So you're saying that little girl gathered the petro-chemicals, mixed up the plastic, worked out what mineral concentrations to use for the dyes, made the injection molds for those blocks, built all the roads the raw ingredients had to travel on to reach that stage, AND had time to build a cute little tower? All without relying on any element of support from the rest of society from transportation infrastructure, to the electrical grid, to water, to waste management, to hospitals to be born in and for her mother before her to be born in? I'm impressed.


Don't be daft. God created the blocks.

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2014-05-13 05:12:15 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: ArkAngel: R.A.Danny: Marcus Aurelius: "Wet bread is gross," said Thompson, explaining why they decided to tackle the problem

Why in the name of all that is holy would someone put ketchup onto bread?  That's disgusting.

Hot dog buns are bread.

That argument isn't going to help you with much of this crowd. The idiot brigade who think ketchup doesn't belong on hot dogs.

I know, I know.  Everyone over the age of 14 has sold out to 'the man'.  We get it.  You go ahead and keep putting ketchup on your hot dogs for as long as you want.  Maybe after you finally wean your tastes will change.


Really? You're going to mock a guy as immature when talking about hot dog condiments? What's next, are you going to explain how the color of the velcro on your shoes is clearly the superior choice?
 
2014-05-13 05:12:17 PM  

under a mountain: [1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 600x800]

What about mustard?


That pic is, what, 10 years old? 20?  It still hasn't gotten old for me.
 
2014-05-13 05:14:41 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: the way it's designed, it'll be close to impossible to squeeze that last inch of ketchup out of the bottle, so I'd imagine "big condiment" will be all over this!


True the product is a distant second to the profit they make off the packaging.
 
2014-05-13 05:14:43 PM  

Perducci: One of the things that stories like this highlight for me isn't that these are super smart kids, but rather that big companies simply don't bother trying to improve their products or packaging.  I'd bet that you could put a dozen random farkers into a room and have five or six decent redesign ideas within a few hours.


I'll bet that you couldn't.  The status quo is awfully compelling.
 
2014-05-13 05:18:18 PM  

buckeyebrain: under a mountain: [1.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com image 600x800]

What about mustard?

That pic is, what, 10 years old? 20?  It still hasn't gotten old for me.


This is the first time I noticed there were other people in that picture.
 
2014-05-13 05:18:29 PM  
One wonders what else they might have accomplished with the mental energy they used to avoid lighly shaking a ketchup bottle.
 
2014-05-13 05:31:56 PM  
Doesn't anyone shake the f*cking bottle any more?
 
2014-05-13 05:32:04 PM  
"Market research conducted by the students indicates that this mushroom cap could be made for 22.6 cents and that consumers might be willing to pay up to $3.00 for the solution."

That's why I wasn't welcome to product pitches in college. I'd stand up and heckle stupid shiat like this. Your new design should be no more complicated than the current one; you want a half penny per unit as it gets taken up by Heinz. fark that dumbass $3 per unit impossibility.

Of course, my college product turned out to be in production when we started, on a slow boat from China around the time we put it to testing, and I bought one at Frys for $14.99 the weekend before presentations, which I ended with "if we had been in a rapid to market course we could have beaten this instead of putting a semester into something I'd find on the impulse rack!"
 
2014-05-13 05:33:03 PM  
In high school I got tendinitis from sports in my right arm, even shaking chocolate milk or a ketchup bottle was full of pain when i wasn't thinking about it before hand. It highlighted permanently disabled people's issues in those type of situations. If it adds 1 cent to the price of ketchup but helps some elderly or disabled people, I say good work and it is worth it.
 
2014-05-13 05:33:38 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Why in the name of all that is holy would someone put ketchup onto bread? That's disgusting.


Because the bread is wrapped around a hot dog or hamburger?
 
2014-05-13 05:34:39 PM  
Heinz already did that a while back. A much simpler design though.
 
2014-05-13 05:37:21 PM  
LowbrowDeluxe:
I know, I know.  Everyone over the age of 14 has sold out to 'the man'.  We get it.  You go ahead and keep putting ketchup on your hot dogs for as long as you want.  Maybe after you finally wean your tastes will change.

YOU ARE ARGUING OVER WHAT TOPPING YOU PUT ON A TUBE OF SMASHED ASSHOLES.
 
2014-05-13 05:38:57 PM  
Dudes, most ketchup bottles are now designed to be set on their caps. This means that the water goes to the non squirty end of the bottle.


Congratulations on successfully solving a non problem.
 
2014-05-13 05:43:08 PM  
Heinz had a cap that stopped this a few years back but they stopped making it, no idea why, instead of just a hole, it was a tube that went up into the bottle like half a cm, from a quick google it was called the "water trap cap", but i cant find a diagram, so here is a terrible one, the pink is the nasty ketchup water. 

i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-13 05:44:14 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "Wet bread is gross," said Thompson, explaining why they decided to tackle the problem

Why in the name of all that is holy would someone put ketchup onto bread?  That's disgusting.


For the same reason someone would put ketchup on a hot dog; it's regional.

Or as I like to think of it, "Just doesn't know any better." :p
 
2014-05-13 05:44:16 PM  
FTFA: "Wet bread is gross," said Thompson, explaining why they decided to tackle the problem"

Some people will go to extreme length to satisfy their fetishes or phobias. Maybe he is so terrified of wet bread the he thinks a belt and suspenders is best in case a simple shake fails to solve the wet bread problem.

https://www.google.com/search?q=wet+bread+phobia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naywWFrj_eQ
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phobia of wet bread by emvs47
Uploaded on Dec 7, 2007
a friend of mine is about to yak at the sight of wet bread
 
2014-05-13 05:44:31 PM  

Perducci: One of the things that stories like this highlight for me isn't that these are super smart kids, but rather that big companies simply don't bother trying to improve their products or packaging.  I'd bet that you could put a dozen random farkers into a room and have five or six decent redesign ideas within a few hours.


Companies only want to change the design if they can make the item cheaper. IF it will make the item BETTER but it will still coat the same the companies dont want it.
 
2014-05-13 05:45:26 PM  

farkin_Gary: Dudes, most ketchup bottles are now designed to be set on their caps. This means that the water goes to the non squirty end of the bottle.


Congratulations on successfully solving a non problem.


The "sphincter" bottles are terrible. You have to squeeze way to hard to get the initial flow going so you wind up with a huge spurt at the onset.
 
2014-05-13 05:45:44 PM  

Oldiron_79: Perducci: One of the things that stories like this highlight for me isn't that these are super smart kids, but rather that big companies simply don't bother trying to improve their products or packaging.  I'd bet that you could put a dozen random farkers into a room and have five or six decent redesign ideas within a few hours.

Companies only want to change the design if they can make the item cheaper. IF it will make the item BETTER but it will still coat the same the companies dont want it.


Coat=cost, stupid auto correct.
 
2014-05-13 05:52:59 PM  

Cyno01: farkin_Gary: Dudes, most ketchup bottles are now designed to be set on their caps. This means that the water goes to the non squirty end of the bottle.


Congratulations on successfully solving a non problem.

The "sphincter" bottles are terrible. You have to squeeze way to hard to get the initial flow going so you wind up with a huge spurt at the onset.


Don't ever "start" an unknown/unused condiment bottle over your food.

There, I negated the need for all of this nonsense.

Next up; magnets.
 
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