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2014-05-13 03:27:07 PM
Well duh, it takes a long time to create blood diamonds.
 
2014-05-13 04:21:16 PM
He's been hammering on this lately, probably because the Creationism malarkey is harming his bottom line and pushing people out of the Christian flock.  I mean, Christian opposition to gay marriage is probably a way bigger factor, but he can't go on about letting two people love each other regardless of their gender/sex, as it would cause him to lose more money.

If Creationism was drawing in more dough for him, he'd be singing it's praises.

//He's a businessman first, preacher second.
 
2014-05-13 05:23:52 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Well duh, it takes a long time to create blood diamonds.


How long does it take him to enjoy blue diamonds?
 
2014-05-13 05:24:41 PM

meat0918: He's been hammering on this lately, probably because the Creationism malarkey is harming his bottom line and pushing people out of the Christian flock.  I mean, Christian opposition to gay marriage is probably a way bigger factor, but he can't go on about letting two people love each other regardless of their gender/sex, as it would cause him to lose more money.

If Creationism was drawing in more dough for him, he'd be singing it's praises.

//He's a businessman first, preacher second.


I'm just waiting for the first mega-church leader to come out with the "Pat Robertson is not a true Christian." bit.  Then we can make some popcorn, put some brews on ice and watch the giant shiatstorm unfold before us.
 
2014-05-13 05:25:02 PM
Deaf, dumb AND blind, so just like Ann Frank.
 
2014-05-13 05:26:58 PM

Flappyhead: meat0918: He's been hammering on this lately, probably because the Creationism malarkey is harming his bottom line and pushing people out of the Christian flock.  I mean, Christian opposition to gay marriage is probably a way bigger factor, but he can't go on about letting two people love each other regardless of their gender/sex, as it would cause him to lose more money.

If Creationism was drawing in more dough for him, he'd be singing it's praises.

//He's a businessman first, preacher second.

I'm just waiting for the first mega-church leader to come out with the "Pat Robertson is not a true Christian." bit.  Then we can make some popcorn, put some brews on ice and watch the giant shiatstorm unfold before us.


Ken Ham has already called Pat " misinformed and deceived ", back in February.
 
2014-05-13 05:27:57 PM
No. No one deserves any pats on the back for acknowledging an actual fact.
 
2014-05-13 05:29:20 PM

meat0918: Flappyhead: meat0918: He's been hammering on this lately, probably because the Creationism malarkey is harming his bottom line and pushing people out of the Christian flock.  I mean, Christian opposition to gay marriage is probably a way bigger factor, but he can't go on about letting two people love each other regardless of their gender/sex, as it would cause him to lose more money.

If Creationism was drawing in more dough for him, he'd be singing it's praises.

//He's a businessman first, preacher second.

I'm just waiting for the first mega-church leader to come out with the "Pat Robertson is not a true Christian." bit.  Then we can make some popcorn, put some brews on ice and watch the giant shiatstorm unfold before us.

Ken Ham has already called Pat " misinformed and deceived ", back in February.


Wonder who 'misinformed and deceived' Pat?  Who was it?  Who could it possibly be?

s30.postimg.org
 
2014-05-13 05:29:34 PM

meat0918: Flappyhead: meat0918: He's been hammering on this lately, probably because the Creationism malarkey is harming his bottom line and pushing people out of the Christian flock.  I mean, Christian opposition to gay marriage is probably a way bigger factor, but he can't go on about letting two people love each other regardless of their gender/sex, as it would cause him to lose more money.

If Creationism was drawing in more dough for him, he'd be singing it's praises.

//He's a businessman first, preacher second.

I'm just waiting for the first mega-church leader to come out with the "Pat Robertson is not a true Christian." bit.  Then we can make some popcorn, put some brews on ice and watch the giant shiatstorm unfold before us.

Ken Ham has already called Pat " misinformed and deceived ", back in February.


That's the cauldron calling the kettle black and made of metal.
 
2014-05-13 05:30:30 PM

PluckYew: Deaf, dumb AND blind, so just like Ann Frank.  Tommy



FTFY.
 
TWX
2014-05-13 05:31:30 PM

From TFA:

Robertson may have to take this up with his own TV network, which promotes Young Earth Creationist material and publishes articles claiming that opposition to Young Earth Creationism is heretical.


Yep, it's about seeing a potential market that could be profitable and exploiting it.

I expect that we're just seeing one wealthy Mr. Robertson getting tired of maintaining the appearance of drinking his own Kool-aid. He's actively stated that he has no opposition to oral sex within the context of a married couple, he's stated no opposition to medical marijuana, and now he's stating that young-earth creationists are wrong. Sounds to me like he just can't bring himself to maintain the facade anymore and that his true opinions are leaking out. It probably doesn't help that his peers are slowly dying off too, making it harder to get the reinforcement that he'd probably need to publicly hold-fast to those original positions.

I'm just hoping that his followers will also start changing, but I find it unlikely. They'll just chock this up to him getting old or to him trying to appeal to a broader audience, or they'll simple ignore it altogether.
 
2014-05-13 05:38:07 PM
Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.
 
2014-05-13 05:42:06 PM
Man, I haven't seen this big a move in fundamentalist acknowledgment of obvious reality since they decided to drop Flat Earthism. What's next? Admitting that Jesus was just, like, this guy, y'know?
 
2014-05-13 05:43:11 PM

Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists thinking people to burn.

 
2014-05-13 05:43:50 PM
"Can a stopped watch be half right twice a day? " not if it is digital
 
2014-05-13 05:44:28 PM

Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


Nineteen percent of Protestant pastors polled in the U.S. isn't what I'd call "very few." It's a minority, but it's a sizable (and extremely ill-informed) one.
 
2014-05-13 05:45:38 PM

Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


There seem to be enough around to keep trying to push that shiat into public schools and in some cases succeeding (before getting the smackdown).
 
2014-05-13 05:46:26 PM

TWX: From TFA:
Robertson may have to take this up with his own TV network, which promotes Young Earth Creationist material and publishes articles claiming that opposition to Young Earth Creationism is heretical.

Yep, it's about seeing a potential market that could be profitable and exploiting it.

I expect that we're just seeing one wealthy Mr. Robertson getting tired of maintaining the appearance of drinking his own Kool-aid. He's actively stated that he has no opposition to oral sex within the context of a married couple, he's stated no opposition to medical marijuana, and now he's stating that young-earth creationists are wrong. Sounds to me like he just can't bring himself to maintain the facade anymore and that his true opinions are leaking out. It probably doesn't help that his peers are slowly dying off too, making it harder to get the reinforcement that he'd probably need to publicly hold-fast to those original positions.

I'm just hoping that his followers will also start changing, but I find it unlikely. They'll just chock this up to him getting old or to him trying to appeal to a broader audience, or they'll simple ignore it altogether.


Or he could be reaching new conclusions about life, the universe, and everything. I've known more than a couple hard line fundamentalists who wouldn't vote dem for millions in cash, but in later years started advocating for gay marriage, legalized marijuana, and liberal geopolitical policy. Shocked the hell outta me every time, but it seems to happen. People's world views change. This is good.

They weren't long standing (fundy) tv personalities tho, so not the same attention to detail paid to their every word.

It's funny, Pat Robertson always looked to me like Mr Rogers did - approachable, gentile, probably has some stories about where he was from or his time in the service, a nice retired dude. Then I'd unmute the tv and have to change the channel. Kind of jarring.
 
2014-05-13 05:49:31 PM
I will be the devil's advocate. (why me lord?) maybe there was this one lonely neuron. and before it gave into the ravages of senior dementia, like all before it, it fired off one cognizant thought, just to, well, say goodbye.
 
2014-05-13 05:51:12 PM

Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.



Don't be too sure about that...

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-13 05:51:14 PM

Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


If by "convenient strawman" you mean a terrifyingly influential vocal minority who managed to get in to places which matter, such as the House science committee, then sure.
 
2014-05-13 05:51:27 PM

Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.



As far as US Christians go you are hopelessly, utterly, wrong.
Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist view of the origin of humans is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, when Gallup first asked the question. About a third of Americans believe that humans evolved, but with God's guidance; 15% say humans evolved, but that God had no part in the process.


http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origins . aspx
 
2014-05-13 05:52:12 PM
And millions of dreams of raptor riding Jesus were crushed that day.  Ah, who am I kidding.  That would imply that millions listen to his dumbass.
 
2014-05-13 05:53:00 PM
Pat Robertson has been pushing OEC for a long time now. This isn't new. Christians are really good at employing mental gymnastics to ensure Biblical certainty while also appealing to scientific evidence. They don't see any contradictions.
 
2014-05-13 05:54:10 PM

Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


but strangely there no young earth Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. that atheists target outrage at. Odd, isn't it?
 
2014-05-13 05:56:09 PM

Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


Bullshiat!! Their are many of them. You just are trying to hide the fact that they are another member of the anti-evolution, global warming denier flock of the right.
 
2014-05-13 05:56:29 PM

Damnhippyfreak: Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


Don't be too sure about that...

[img.fark.net image 651x248]


I put limited stock in online polls
 
2014-05-13 05:58:07 PM

chitownmike: but strangely there no young earth Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. that atheists target outrage at. Odd, isn't it?


Actually, there are. All sorts of them. But none of them try to press any of their stupid beliefs into schools and/or legislation.
 
2014-05-13 06:00:24 PM

generallyso: Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


As far as US Christians go you are hopelessly, utterly, wrong.
Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist view of the origin of humans is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, when Gallup first asked the question. About a third of Americans believe that humans evolved, but with God's guidance; 15% say humans evolved, but that God had no part in the process.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origins . aspx


You know, I see these polls, and I know plenty of devout Christians, and none of them believe in young earth creationism. I sometimes wonder if the people that agree to take these polls are more likely to have these beliefs.
 
2014-05-13 06:00:42 PM

Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


If only that were true. I went to a family reunion in south western Kansas and discovered to my surprise that I was surrounded by them. They were all looking at me like I was a moron. This was over 30 years ago (pre-internet) & it didn't occur to me that evolution was still being contested.

Even my damn turn coat of a brother bailed on me. I'm now the agnostic atheist godparent of his daughter. Yeah, I don't get it either.
 
2014-05-13 06:02:14 PM

king_nacho: generallyso: Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


As far as US Christians go you are hopelessly, utterly, wrong.
Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist view of the origin of humans is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, when Gallup first asked the question. About a third of Americans believe that humans evolved, but with God's guidance; 15% say humans evolved, but that God had no part in the process.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origins . aspx

You know, I see these polls, and I know plenty of devout Christians, and none of them believe in young earth creationism. I sometimes wonder if the people that agree to take these polls are more likely to have these beliefs.


So do I. Its easy to find the fanatics in any human endeavor: they are the ones screaming into the nearest mic. Whether they be Theists or Atheists: if they are spreading intolerance and hate they are not being productive.
 
2014-05-13 06:02:59 PM

Ishkur: chitownmike: but strangely there no young earth Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. that atheists target outrage at. Odd, isn't it?

Actually, there are. All sorts of them. But none of them try to press any of their stupid beliefs into schools and/or legislation.


so you can't even finish a sentence before responding?
 
2014-05-13 06:03:19 PM

king_nacho: Damnhippyfreak: Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


Don't be too sure about that...

[img.fark.net image 651x248]

I put limited stock in online polls


How about Pew

www.pewforum.org

or Gallup?

whyevolutionistrue.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-05-13 06:03:36 PM

Ishkur: chitownmike: but strangely there no young earth Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. that atheists target outrage at. Odd, isn't it?

Actually, there are. All sorts of them. But none of them try to press any of their stupid beliefs into schools and/or legislation.


I suggest you verify this by going to Saudi Arabia and proclaiming that Adam and Eve and Noah are all fictional characters.

Let me know how that works out
 
2014-05-13 06:05:20 PM

SquiggsIN: he even came out in support of medical marijuana


He's said some stupid and hurtful things in the past, but you do have to give him credit for not just toeing a party line.  Maybe its for money/ratings, I don't know.
 
2014-05-13 06:07:08 PM

SewerSquirrels: Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.

If only that were true. I went to a family reunion in south western Kansas and discovered to my surprise that I was surrounded by them. They were all looking at me like I was a moron. This was over 30 years ago


Unpossible. The magical Sky Daddy only made the earth 26 years ago. Everything older than 26 was planted by the debbil to fool you.

/and everything female and under 26 was also planted by the debbil
 
2014-05-13 06:08:45 PM

king_nacho: generallyso: Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


As far as US Christians go you are hopelessly, utterly, wrong.
Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist view of the origin of humans is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, when Gallup first asked the question. About a third of Americans believe that humans evolved, but with God's guidance; 15% say humans evolved, but that God had no part in the process.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origins . aspx

You know, I see these polls, and I know plenty of devout Christians, and none of them believe in young earth creationism. I sometimes wonder if the people that agree to take these polls are more likely to have these beliefs.



Maybe. That or the people in your immediate social circle aren't necessarily representative of the US as a whole. I think such beliefs may be 'clumpy' - people with similar beliefs might be closer together, whether geographically or in terms of social connections.
 
2014-05-13 06:09:21 PM

dforkus: Ishkur: chitownmike: but strangely there no young earth Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. that atheists target outrage at. Odd, isn't it?

Actually, there are. All sorts of them. But none of them try to press any of their stupid beliefs into schools and/or legislation.

I suggest you verify this by going to Saudi Arabia and proclaiming that Adam and Eve and Noah are all fictional characters.

Let me know how that works out


That's Saudi Arabia's problem. Last I checked the Saudis don't get House and Senate seats, and haven't applied for statehood yet. When that happens they'll be our problem.

But in America it's overwhelmingly "fundamentalist" christians who are the ones trying to legislate their religion on the rest of us.
 
2014-05-13 06:10:50 PM

Damnhippyfreak: Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


Don't be too sure about that...

[img.fark.net image 651x248]


60% literally believe in the flood?  What the fark
 
TWX
2014-05-13 06:10:54 PM

Charlie Crews' Zen Master: Or he could be reaching new conclusions about life, the universe, and everything. I've known more than a couple hard line fundamentalists who wouldn't vote dem for millions in cash, but in later years started advocating for gay marriage, legalized marijuana, and liberal geopolitical policy. Shocked the hell outta me every time, but it seems to happen. People's world views change. This is good.

They weren't long standing (fundy) tv personalities tho, so not the same attention to detail paid to their every word.

It's funny, Pat Robertson always looked to me like Mr Rogers did - approachable, gentile, probably has some stories about where he was from or his time in the service, a nice retired dude. Then I'd unmute the tv and have to change the channel. Kind of jarring.


I certainly wouldn't mind if you're right, but it's been my experience that once people reach adulthood and have self-realization, their politics tend to drift towards the right as they age, not towards the left. This is usually after a period of initial adjustment post-adolescence where their politics start out mirroring their parents' only to change as they come to discover the world. In my case my politics started out moderately-conservative as I was brought up, shifted rather dramatically to the left in my adult-teen years as I stepped out from under my parents' views, and have normalized in the center-left area. I actually live very conservatively, but that doesn't mean that I feel that others should live as conservatively as I do. I do find myself having to confront issues that give me pause though, without adopting an automatic liberal stance. I expect as I age, more and more 'new' things will give me pause where I definitely have to stop and think about them, and I can't rule out that I'll eventually start drawing conclusions opposite of what will be liberal at the time. I admit though, I could be projecting, but I expect most people to slowly drift to the right over time.

It could well be that, like the temperance movement, Robertson's starting to see the ills of positions that he's either directly advocated for or else provided a platform for, but I find it much more likely that he simply didn't care about these issues and never really had much of a true position on them. Remember, his perspective on oral sex came up only in a discussion that confronted it, where he really didn't have a choice but to either agree with the other panelist or to rebuke them. Without stating positions, I expect that factions of his followers or even his lieutenants commingled their positions with his name, and since it was good for business, he did nothing to dispel them or otherwise stop the behavior. After all, it's a lot easier to agree with the straw-man you build when the real man doesn't challenge your positions. As a charismatic leader with an established base, the less that you actually reveal about yourself the better, as you don't want to put your base into conflict with you. They can simply assume that you feel the same as they do about everything and as long as your charisma appeals they'll continue to follow your agenda as you set it out for them. You start showing opinions that they disagree with then they might abandon you.
 
2014-05-13 06:12:31 PM

LazyMedia: Man, I haven't seen this big a move in fundamentalist acknowledgment of obvious reality since they decided to drop Flat Earthism.


I know....remember that? That was the craziest Friday ever.........
 
2014-05-13 06:12:44 PM

king_nacho: generallyso: Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


As far as US Christians go you are hopelessly, utterly, wrong.
Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist view of the origin of humans is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, when Gallup first asked the question. About a third of Americans believe that humans evolved, but with God's guidance; 15% say humans evolved, but that God had no part in the process.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origins . aspx

You know, I see these polls, and I know plenty of devout Christians, and none of them believe in young earth creationism. I sometimes wonder if the people that agree to take these polls are more likely to have these beliefs.


See, I've had the exact opposite experience.

I know a few devout Christian evangelicals, and they believe in young earth Creationism.  I have several of them in my neighborhood, and I live in the relatively heathen land of Oregon.  A couple of the kids have said their teachers (private school) have promised them a real sword and shield to defend the faith from evil. (Wish I was joking).

As another anecdote, one devout and otherwise superfundy (asked me to change the radio station once from Black Sabbath because it's satanic) Christian I know had to change churches because they found out he has a real geology degree and the church's pastor and attendees spent a lot of time trying to convince him he was wrong about the age of the earth being in the billions range rather than thousands.

A member of our neighborhood organization board wanted to make sure the school district didn't include evolution in their new science textbooks.

A couple of members of the women's choir my wife was in sent her a Ray Comfort book on why atheists and evolution are wrong.

Everyone has different experiences, mine have not been complimentary of the YEC segment of America.
 
2014-05-13 06:12:44 PM

chitownmike: so you can't even finish a sentence before responding?


???
 
2014-05-13 06:13:51 PM

dforkus: I suggest you verify this by going to Saudi Arabia and proclaiming that Adam and Eve and Noah are all fictional characters.


We're not talking about Saudi Arabia, we're talking about here in the United States.
 
2014-05-13 06:15:02 PM
Not in his case.
 
2014-05-13 06:15:25 PM
generallyso:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/hold-creationist-view-human-origin s . aspx

Well isn't that just depressing....  Until fairly recently, I'd always considered creationism to be more of an old testament and Islamic thing.
 
2014-05-13 06:16:51 PM

Flappyhead: meat0918: He's been hammering on this lately, probably because the Creationism malarkey is harming his bottom line and pushing people out of the Christian flock.  I mean, Christian opposition to gay marriage is probably a way bigger factor, but he can't go on about letting two people love each other regardless of their gender/sex, as it would cause him to lose more money.

If Creationism was drawing in more dough for him, he'd be singing it's praises.

//He's a businessman first, preacher second.

I'm just waiting for the first mega-church leader to come out with the "Pat Robertson is not a true Christian." bit.  Then we can make some popcorn, put some brews on ice and watch the giant shiatstorm unfold before us.


We're just waiting for him to die first. Can't give rebuttals when you're dead.
 
2014-05-13 06:20:28 PM

Prophet of Loss: Very few Christians are actually "Young Earth Creationists". They are just a convenient strawman for Atheists to burn.


According to Gallup 40% of Americans are Young Earth Creationists, though you get different results if you ask people questions about dinosaurs or moving continents without first asking any questions that would remind them of religion.  Those 40% pretty much have to come out of the 73-77% of Americans who are Christian, since only 0.8% of Americans are Muslim and not many of the 1.4% who are Jewish are strict biblical literalists.  Other religions are a drop in the bucket, and if you know of any atheist creationists, I would like to know the details.
 
2014-05-13 06:21:30 PM

Ishkur: chitownmike: so you can't even finish a sentence before responding?

???


The sentence you responded to regarding the outrage at those other groups. How do you remember to breathe?
 
2014-05-13 06:24:24 PM
There is a kind of strange humor involved when a religious nut job actually starts to make sense due to old age senility.
 
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