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2014-05-13 06:10:37 PM  
Me have thinking problems? That unpossible.
 
2014-05-13 10:49:19 PM  
Fail tag for subby.
 
2014-05-13 10:51:03 PM  
I don't think "debunked" means what you think it means, smits.
 
2014-05-13 10:51:53 PM  
The second sentence is pointing out that correlation is not causation, but that doesn't negate the fact that the figures showed a correlation.

If I said "My uncle had a haircut and the next day he died" I could point out that the two were not necessarily connected but that wouldn't change the fact that my uncle did have a haircut and he did die.
 
2014-05-13 10:53:42 PM  

MisterTweak: I don't think "debunked" means what you think it means, smits.


That's what I came to say. There is nothing in the second sentence that debunks the study.
 
2014-05-13 10:58:12 PM  
Subby, perhaps you should have quit that job at the paint factory. I think you're having some thinking problems.

/also, wasn't it painfully obvious that solvents farked up the brain?
//I only need to smell that smell to know it's obviously bad news
///painters left thinner in one of the holds of the boat I work on, nasty, nasty stuff
 
2014-05-13 10:58:27 PM  
huh.. those more likely to be exposed to solvents more often because they are dumber in their youth and need to do more hands on work are still dumber in their old age?
wow
 
2014-05-13 10:59:11 PM  
I spent a morning removing rubber adhesive with acetone and was outright stoned the rest of the day. I can see a complaint if workers regularly got bombed from improperly ventilated fumes.

It doesn't take much to protect workers in maintenance posititons. It's just a matter of airing out the space.
 
2014-05-13 11:03:53 PM  

kvinesknows: huh.. those more likely to be exposed to solvents more often because they are dumber in their youth and need to do more hands on work are still dumber in their old age?
wow


I don't think I've seen anybody attempt to troll chemists like that. Good one.

I'm exposed regularly to xylene and formalin, but I have a hands on job in a pathology lab. If only I'd never tried weed.
 
2014-05-13 11:07:56 PM  
Subby's Headline:  Here is another headline about a study conclusion that is debunked in the article at a record pace of the second sentence.


Subby, FTFY
You're not too far off.  It's bullshiat that such things [leaving the impression that correlation = causation] get reported as news.

/yes, I know, a story is more important than science literacy, hence a story will be proclaimed even when none exists.
 
2014-05-13 11:13:47 PM  

kvinesknows: huh.. those more likely to be exposed to solvents more often because they are dumber in their youth and need to do more hands on work are still dumber in their old age?
wow


I was thinking this ....
That you would need an actual CONTROL GROUP before you could argue any kind of causation.
 
2014-05-13 11:16:14 PM  
the_cnidarian: but I have a hands on job in a pathology lab

chemistry: not even once
 
2014-05-13 11:20:22 PM  
There's a difference between "acknowledging the limits of what conclusions one should draw from the study" and "debunking."
 
2014-05-13 11:27:57 PM  
I'll be in the bunk
 
2014-05-13 11:30:12 PM  

ablank: There's a difference between "acknowledging the limits of what conclusions one should draw from the study" and "debunking."


Which is a diplomatic way of saying subby is a retard.
 
2014-05-13 11:35:26 PM  

the_cnidarian: kvinesknows: huh.. those more likely to be exposed to solvents more often because they are dumber in their youth and need to do more hands on work are still dumber in their old age?
wow

I don't think I've seen anybody attempt to troll chemists like that. Good one.

I'm exposed regularly to xylene and formalin, but I have a hands on job in a pathology lab. If only I'd never tried weed.


except this is not talking about the chemists.  its talking about the jo schmo utility workers who 30 to 50 years ago were told gargling agent orange and pcbs was coolio man....


chemists (presumably) know to always use protective gear
 
2014-05-13 11:36:58 PM  
When I was 16, I handled Xylene all the time.  With and without fabric gloves, and I will tell you today that I am the Decentrest Patriotic.
 
2014-05-13 11:49:08 PM  

kvinesknows: huh.. those more likely to be exposed to solvents more often because they are dumber in their youth and need to do more hands on work are still dumber in their old age?
wow


So people who make things for a living are dumb? What kind of crazy Randian universe do you live in?
 
2014-05-13 11:57:58 PM  
I can't imagine what subby thinks about climate change.
 
2014-05-14 12:16:01 AM  

Flint Ironstag: The second sentence is pointing out that correlation is not causation, but that doesn't negate the fact that the figures showed a correlation.

If I said "My uncle had a haircut and the next day he died" I could point out that the two were not necessarily connected but that wouldn't change the fact that my uncle did have a haircut and he did die.


This. Also, everyone knows benzene is really bad news. It's not really surprising if exposure to it causes long-term problems.
 
2014-05-14 12:20:57 AM  

Verrai: Flint Ironstag: The second sentence is pointing out that correlation is not causation, but that doesn't negate the fact that the figures showed a correlation.

If I said "My uncle had a haircut and the next day he died" I could point out that the two were not necessarily connected but that wouldn't change the fact that my uncle did have a haircut and he did die.

This. Also, everyone knows benzene is really bad news. It's not really surprising if exposure to it causes long-term problems.


But--my PROFITS.
 
2014-05-14 12:22:20 AM  
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2014-05-14 12:28:46 AM  

Flint Ironstag: The second sentence is pointing out that correlation is not causation, but that doesn't negate the fact that the figures showed a correlation.

If I said "My uncle had a haircut and the next day he died" I could point out that the two were not necessarily connected but that wouldn't change the fact that my uncle did have a haircut and he did die.


Well, it is directly linked to neural birth defects (as well as several types of cancer and many other health problems since at least the late 1940's). Definitely plausible, even though no, correlation does not equal causation, and no, the second sentence did not debunk the study and I presume subby didn't read his own linked article.
 
2014-05-14 12:41:57 AM  
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Were they walking on sunshine?
 
2014-05-14 01:06:12 AM  
Meh, I'd worry more about the health supplements people seem to jamming into themselves.

Don't people know those are all just chemicals?
 
2014-05-14 01:07:37 AM  

worlddan: MisterTweak: I don't think "debunked" means what you think it means, smits.

That's what I came to say. There is nothing in the second sentence that debunks the study.


What the second sentence does is show that the study doesn't show that the headline is true; which is not the same thing either.

It basically says: ZOMG! SOLVENTS CAUSE MEMORY LOSS!!...[second paragraph] maybe, maybe not.
 
2014-05-14 01:49:33 AM  
Well then, carbon tetrachloride, good or bad?  Because in my youth, I use to....um, something.  OK, forget about that!  How about farking around with mercury?  Back in the early 60's, we had a devil-may-care attitude about these chemically type of things.  Later 60's and 70's, copious drugs.  I'm now 63, and as fit as a fiddle, as they use to say, which may or may not be a good thing, because I don't know what violins have to do with health..
 
2014-05-14 02:32:07 AM  

Slam1263: Meh, I'd worry more about the health supplements people seem to jamming into themselves.

Don't people know those are all just chemicals?


Or my favorite: "Americans have the most expensive piss in the world" because all those 'supplements' generally don't get absorbed the way people think they do and just get excreted in the urine. So that vitamin Suzie Soccermom is taking that provides 100% of her daily calcium? Try again sweetheart: you're getting about 20-30%, max, of that DV of calcium from your $20 bottle of organic vitamins. Drink a farking glass of milk.
 
2014-05-14 02:35:37 AM  

Aigoo: Slam1263: Meh, I'd worry more about the health supplements people seem to jamming into themselves.

Don't people know those are all just chemicals?

Or my favorite: "Americans have the most expensive piss in the world" because all those 'supplements' generally don't get absorbed the way people think they do and just get excreted in the urine. So that vitamin Suzie Soccermom is taking that provides 100% of her daily calcium? Try again sweetheart: you're getting about 20-30%, max, of that DV of calcium from your $20 bottle of organic vitamins. Drink a farking glass of milk.


but she farts when she drinks milk
 
2014-05-14 03:48:15 AM  
I swear I read something similar about politicians somewhere.
 
2014-05-14 03:50:50 AM  

kvinesknows: Aigoo: Slam1263: Meh, I'd worry more about the health supplements people seem to jamming into themselves.

Don't people know those are all just chemicals?

Or my favorite: "Americans have the most expensive piss in the world" because all those 'supplements' generally don't get absorbed the way people think they do and just get excreted in the urine. So that vitamin Suzie Soccermom is taking that provides 100% of her daily calcium? Try again sweetheart: you're getting about 20-30%, max, of that DV of calcium from your $20 bottle of organic vitamins. Drink a farking glass of milk.

but she farts when she drinks milk


Why buy supplements when you can just drink the tap water.  Someone upstream is always pissing out supplements.  Or crapping out some illegal drug.
 
2014-05-14 06:12:49 AM  
Benzene and Chlorinated solvents are bad bad stuff, skin absorption and serious inhalation hazards. Can destroy your health with AIDS like symptoms or give you pneumonia like lung problems. Not to mention the whole death by cancer or liver failure thing.
 
2014-05-14 06:57:39 AM  
This is like black lung disease which has scientifically been proven not to exist and the pulmonary problems of all those poor Appalachian miners were due to their 3 pack a day smoking habit and not from coal dust. Of course science didn't stop the federal government from giving away your money for the last 41 years to keep the yokels well supplied with Black Jack and Camels.
 
2014-05-14 07:06:09 AM  
Nothing like the sweet smell of Trichloroethylene in the morning.
 
2014-05-14 12:01:02 PM  
That writer is in serious love with single sentence paragraphs.
 
2014-05-14 01:26:51 PM  

OscarTamerz: This is like black lung disease which has scientifically been proven not to exist and the pulmonary problems of all those poor Appalachian miners were due to their 3 pack a day smoking habit and not from coal dust. Of course science didn't stop the federal government from giving away your money for the last 41 years to keep the yokels well supplied with Black Jack and Camels.



And you heard that straight from your local "clean coal" company in conjunction with Fox News?
 
2014-05-14 04:29:43 PM  
Headline: "Workplace Solvents and Long-Term Memory Problems"

Er, I'm not seeing what's debunkable about this. It's not your typical "Will workplace solvents give you permanent memory loss?" headline that most news outlets use.
 
2014-05-14 04:35:24 PM  

OscarTamerz: This is like black lung disease which has scientifically been proven not to exist


Citation needed.
 
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