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(Kotaku)   Microsoft finally realizes gamers don't want to pay an extra $100 for the mandatory Xbox One Kinect   (kotaku.com) divider line 65
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2014-05-13 02:05:51 PM
The new kinect certainly works better than the old one, but the gimmick wears off fast. If you live alone though, it's sometimes comforting to know Microsoft is always there with you.
 
2014-05-13 02:15:32 PM

serial_crusher: The new kinect certainly works better than the old one, but the gimmick wears off fast.


Yep, and that is their biggest problem. They were requiring a peripheral that's barely used. None of the big games that have come out actually utilize it (maybe some voice commands) and so it just sits there.

I went to my friend's office yesterday to check it out (starting there in a couple weeks). He's got a TV with Xbox One and PS4 in there. As we were talking he walked over and wiped the dust off the Kinect. I asked if he used it at all and he said not one bit since the first couple days.
 
2014-05-13 02:25:50 PM
Our XBox 360 was our main entertainment source.  Yes we occasionally played (and still do) games on it, but we streamed the shiat out of some shows.  Yes we found it annoying to pay what...$60 per year to access services we already paid for...yes, the Netflix update that borked the GUI was frustrating, but it all worked good enough.

Then I randomly picked up a Apple TV.

HO-LEE-SHIAT...so much more gooder than anything else I have ever used to stream entertainment.

Yeah, fark MSFT.
 
2014-05-13 02:41:50 PM
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2014-05-13 02:55:09 PM
The Kinect features are exactly what I didn't want. It was the breaking point with me. I don't want the damn thing.

I use my 360 as a replacement for a lot. Netflix, Hulu, and more. It's still cheaper than cable ever was, and I play a fair amount too. I might have to weigh the options for the Next Gen console now, because it was looking like it was going back to Playstation...
 
2014-05-13 03:10:54 PM

Endive Wombat: Our XBox 360 was our main entertainment source.  Yes we occasionally played (and still do) games on it, but we streamed the shiat out of some shows.  Yes we found it annoying to pay what...$60 per year to access services we already paid for...yes, the Netflix update that borked the GUI was frustrating, but it all worked good enough.

Then I randomly picked up a Apple TV.

HO-LEE-SHIAT...so much more gooder than anything else I have ever used to stream entertainment.

Yeah, fark MSFT.


I prefer Roku over AppleTV.  It's cheaper and has more features and a better UI.
 
2014-05-13 03:55:01 PM

Endive Wombat: Our XBox 360 was our main entertainment source.  Yes we occasionally played (and still do) games on it, but we streamed the shiat out of some shows.  Yes we found it annoying to pay what...$60 per year to access services we already paid for...yes, the Netflix update that borked the GUI was frustrating, but it all worked good enough.

Then I randomly picked up a Apple TV.

HO-LEE-SHIAT...so much more gooder than anything else I have ever used to stream entertainment.

Yeah, fark MSFT.


I've been using a PS3 as a streaming source and it works very well.  I only really use Netflix though, so no clue what other services it supports.

I've been holding off on the PS4 though because they followed the dumbass 'you have to pay for the premium online service to play games online' system that MS uses.
 
2014-05-13 03:59:32 PM

serial_crusher: Endive Wombat: Our XBox 360 was our main entertainment source.  Yes we occasionally played (and still do) games on it, but we streamed the shiat out of some shows.  Yes we found it annoying to pay what...$60 per year to access services we already paid for...yes, the Netflix update that borked the GUI was frustrating, but it all worked good enough.

Then I randomly picked up a Apple TV.

HO-LEE-SHIAT...so much more gooder than anything else I have ever used to stream entertainment.

Yeah, fark MSFT.

I prefer Roku over AppleTV.  It's cheaper and has more features and a better UI.


I got my fiance a Roku a few weeks ago. She farking loves it. Now I can play my game at full volume while she watches the smaller TV with headphones and the wireless remote. Cool little device. Definitely worth the money.
 
2014-05-13 04:00:52 PM

scottydoesntknow: I got my fiance a Roku a few weeks ago. She farking loves it. Now I can play my game at full volume while she watches the smaller TV with headphones and the wireless remote. Cool little device. Definitely worth the money.


hahaha, every relationship I've been in the solution would have been for me to wear the headphones with my games.  Looks like you found a keeper.
 
2014-05-13 04:38:46 PM

serial_crusher: scottydoesntknow: I got my fiance a Roku a few weeks ago. She farking loves it. Now I can play my game at full volume while she watches the smaller TV with headphones and the wireless remote. Cool little device. Definitely worth the money.

hahaha, every relationship I've been in the solution would have been for me to wear the headphones with my games.  Looks like you found a keeper.


Wow life will change if they have kids.  No more gaming.
 
2014-05-13 04:40:45 PM
Knew they would cave eventually. Maybe I'll pick one up when they go on sale this winter.
 
2014-05-13 04:45:27 PM
if only there was some other company that based its console development on gimmick hardware that microsoft could have looked to as an example/warning
 
2014-05-13 04:45:52 PM

Endive Wombat: Our XBox 360 was our main entertainment source.  Yes we occasionally played (and still do) games on it, but we streamed the shiat out of some shows.  Yes we found it annoying to pay what...$60 per year to access services we already paid for...yes, the Netflix update that borked the GUI was frustrating, but it all worked good enough.

Then I randomly picked up a Apple TV.

HO-LEE-SHIAT...so much more gooder than anything else I have ever used to stream entertainment.

Yeah, fark MSFT.


Starting in June Microsoft will finally stop requiring a subscription to Xbox Live to access entertainment apps such as Netflix.
 
2014-05-13 04:48:47 PM

sprawl15: if only there was some other company that based its console development on gimmick hardware that microsoft could have looked to as an example/warning


You mean Nintendo?  Because the WiiU failed but that's more on their terrible marketing of it than the gimmick.  Otherwise the Wii, DS and 3DS all sold very well for them.
 
2014-05-13 04:49:03 PM
Still overpriced by $50.
 
2014-05-13 04:49:28 PM

scottydoesntknow: I got my fiance a Roku a few weeks ago. She farking loves it. Now I can play my game at full volume while she watches the smaller TV with headphones and the wireless remote. Cool little device. Definitely worth the money.


I dumped my Roku recently for the Amazon Fire TV. I'm much happier with it. It's SO much faster than the Roku. The only negative so far has been that a few rare files in Plex don't want to pass through the highest-quality audio, but everything works. The Netflix is crazy-fast, the Hulu Plus is a decent interface that doesn't lag forever, and Amazon's own offerings queue up instantly. If you have Prime it's the best device there is for streaming Internet video. Even without Prime, it's impressive.

And the games and other apps are a nice bonus. It is shaping up to be what Google TV should have been.
 
2014-05-13 04:53:33 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Because the WiiU failed but that's more on their terrible marketing of it than the gimmick.


why not both dot jpg

using gimmick hardware creates a very strange situation - you basically need games that use the gimmick hardware to its fullest extent to be exclusives. games that don't want to be exclusive but still release on that platform need to shoehorn it in somehow, which rarely makes it feel like the extra expense for the hardware really adds anything. the wii/wiiu were more failures because the gimmick hardware was the controller and there wasn't an easy way around them, resulting in a dearth of games. the advertising snafu is certainly a huge strike against the wiiu but not the only strike

and in general, same principles apply to the kinect - you cannot cater to big cross platform AAA games while also trying to push novelty platform exclusive hardware
 
2014-05-13 04:56:39 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still overpriced by $50.


Yeah, I don't know why they didn't just sell it with the Kinect for $400 (399 whatever) they were selling it with a titanfall (or frenza) AND a year of Live for $450 for a while a few weeks back.
 
2014-05-13 04:58:03 PM
Now I'll only be saving $399 instead of $500 by not purchasing one. Damn you Microsoft!
 
2014-05-13 05:00:58 PM
Possibly the bigger news is that MS is also dropping the mandatory Live subscription for video streaming capability.
 
2014-05-13 05:01:56 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still overpriced by $50.


Maybe they could sell the controller separately.
 
2014-05-13 05:02:44 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Endive Wombat: Our XBox 360 was our main entertainment source.  Yes we occasionally played (and still do) games on it, but we streamed the shiat out of some shows.  Yes we found it annoying to pay what...$60 per year to access services we already paid for...yes, the Netflix update that borked the GUI was frustrating, but it all worked good enough.

Then I randomly picked up a Apple TV.

HO-LEE-SHIAT...so much more gooder than anything else I have ever used to stream entertainment.

Yeah, fark MSFT.

Starting in June Microsoft will finally stop requiring a subscription to Xbox Live to access entertainment apps such as Netflix.


I know.  But they should have done that 5 months ago when I bought my Apple TV.  Hell, now I even rent new releases through Apple/Itunes instead of XBox Video.

They lost, Apple won.
 
2014-05-13 05:05:02 PM

scottydoesntknow: I got my fiance a Roku a few weeks ago. She farking loves it. Now I can play my game at full volume while she watches the smaller TV with headphones and the wireless remote. Cool little device. Definitely worth the money.


I caution people about buying them without doing a bit of research first... Depending on your cable provider, some services like HBOGO won't work with Roku (Comcast doesn't let it play with Roku, at least in my area). Other services may also be reliant on whether or not your cable provider allows them, so it is a good idea to check to make sure someone isn't purchasing it for something, and it can't do what it was meant to.
 
2014-05-13 05:05:24 PM
I paid $450 for my XBone with Titanfall pack at Best Buy. Since the game is $60, I paid $390 for the console.
 
2014-05-13 05:09:58 PM

Endive Wombat: Lumbar Puncture: Endive Wombat: Our XBox 360 was our main entertainment source.  Yes we occasionally played (and still do) games on it, but we streamed the shiat out of some shows.  Yes we found it annoying to pay what...$60 per year to access services we already paid for...yes, the Netflix update that borked the GUI was frustrating, but it all worked good enough.

Then I randomly picked up a Apple TV.

HO-LEE-SHIAT...so much more gooder than anything else I have ever used to stream entertainment.

Yeah, fark MSFT.

Starting in June Microsoft will finally stop requiring a subscription to Xbox Live to access entertainment apps such as Netflix.

I know.  But they should have done that 5 months ago when I bought my Apple TV.  Hell, now I even rent new releases through Apple/Itunes instead of XBox Video.

They lost, Apple won.


Yeah, and they let themselves lose that battle too by not figuring this stuff out earlier.  Still glad they're catching on that people don't want a subscription service just to access their other subscription services.
 
2014-05-13 05:10:16 PM
cards fan by association


Possibly the bigger news is that MS is also dropping the mandatory Live subscription for video streaming capability.


One thing that really pisses me off as a Xbox gold member, for $50 a year I still get advertisements streamed to my main page like a non paying member.
 
2014-05-13 05:21:30 PM

BadReligion: I paid $450 for my XBone with Titanfall pack at Best Buy. Since the game is $60, I paid $390 for the console.


I paid $8.90 for my coffee this morning.
 
2014-05-13 05:25:30 PM

BumpInTheNight: BadReligion: I paid $450 for my XBone with Titanfall pack at Best Buy. Since the game is $60, I paid $390 for the console.

I paid $8.90 for my coffee this morning.


Sounds about right.
 
2014-05-13 05:32:11 PM
To reiterate, 'all I can say is HA HA! to all the myopic hipsters who were acting as though kinect would revolutionize the world. Or that the world would even want the crap Microsoft was peddling from last year.'

Kind of funny how much damage Mattrick did though.
 
2014-05-13 05:32:26 PM
I haven't been keeping up with the console wars over the booming sound of unceasing PC exclusives. I didn't realize the PS4 was winning so hard.

Ah well, it only took MSFT a year to backpedal. Cripes.
 
2014-05-13 05:34:41 PM
I probably won't be jumping in until the first hardware refresh. The only game I've played in the last year has been NHL 14.

But with 2 small kids, probably going to get the Kinect version, anyway.
 
2014-05-13 05:39:31 PM

Nix Nightbird: scottydoesntknow: I got my fiance a Roku a few weeks ago. She farking loves it. Now I can play my game at full volume while she watches the smaller TV with headphones and the wireless remote. Cool little device. Definitely worth the money.

I dumped my Roku recently for the Amazon Fire TV. I'm much happier with it. It's SO much faster than the Roku. The only negative so far has been that a few rare files in Plex don't want to pass through the highest-quality audio, but everything works. The Netflix is crazy-fast, the Hulu Plus is a decent interface that doesn't lag forever, and Amazon's own offerings queue up instantly. If you have Prime it's the best device there is for streaming Internet video. Even without Prime, it's impressive.

And the games and other apps are a nice bonus. It is shaping up to be what Google TV should have been.


Once my roku 2 XS dies, the fire tv is what I'm gonna get. As long as it has Plex and works fine I'll pony up for it. Just looking at it's specs its a winner for that price.
 
2014-05-13 05:54:23 PM
If Microsoft had admitted from the beginning that the always-online DRM and mandatory Kinect were business decision, I'd be willing to accept their product now. It would be as simple as "I didn't want what you were selling then, but now you're offering me what I want to pay for."

But f*** Microsoft. They lied to us. I will not let you all forget that their official PR press release in response to complaints after their pitiful console reveal was to say "Sorry; too late. The always-online DRM and mandatory spy camera are hard-wired into the fundamental architecture of the system. It would be impossible for us to remove them even if we wanted to."

Bullshiat. We weren't stupid then, and we don't forget now. No matter what, I will not buy an XBox One. They lost the generation for me when they lied.
 
2014-05-13 05:55:28 PM
I don't own a kinect nor do I want one, but the thing IS a lot of fun, at least before my buddy disabled voice commands to prevent us from giving them at inappropriate times while he was playing.
 
2014-05-13 05:59:14 PM

BMFPitt: I probably won't be jumping in until the first hardware refresh. The only game I've played in the last year has been NHL 14.

But with 2 small kids, probably going to get the Kinect version, anyway.


How is 14? I like 13, except for the commentary-seems even less varied than in 10.
 
2014-05-13 06:25:54 PM

Sword and Shield: How is 14? I like 13, except for the commentary-seems even less varied than in 10.


14 is good.  I tend to get the even numbered years, so I can't compare it to 13, but from what I hear the skating physics have improved a lot.

I mostly play with the sound down low so I don't pay much attention to the commentary.

The goalie positioning AI has some really infuriating moments, though.  A lot of goals allowed as they move to the center of the crease to get out of the way of a shot from the circle.
 
2014-05-13 06:52:03 PM

serial_crusher: scottydoesntknow: I got my fiance a Roku a few weeks ago. She farking loves it. Now I can play my game at full volume while she watches the smaller TV with headphones and the wireless remote. Cool little device. Definitely worth the money.

hahaha, every relationship I've been in the solution would have been for me to wear the headphones with my games.  Looks like you found a keeper.


This. Put a ring on that. NOW.
 
2014-05-13 07:33:10 PM

hubiestubert: The Kinect features are exactly what I didn't want. It was the breaking point with me. I don't want the damn thing.

I use my 360 as a replacement for a lot. Netflix, Hulu, and more. It's still cheaper than cable ever was, and I play a fair amount too. I might have to weigh the options for the Next Gen console now, because it was looking like it was going back to Playstation...


If you're not into multi-player gaming, cancel your Xbox Live Gold and buy a "smart" Blu-Ray player.  It will pay for itself running Netflix and Hulu without a subscription, plus hey, it's a Blu-Ray player.
 
2014-05-13 07:35:26 PM
A huge mistake on Microsoft's part in a string of huge mistakes regarding the X1.

This splits the user base and kills the only positive thing that X1 had vs the PS4.

They could have done so many other things to differentiate themselves.
1. They could have taken a loss on a Kinect version and just dropped the price to 399.
2. They could have stayed with the DL model for software, but dropped the price to 29.99 for all games.
3. XBLGold could have incorporated a netflix style rental system for new titles (day 1, DL)

But, all they have now is an underpowered system with a bulky controller and no compelling reason to buy one.

Microsoft better have cornered the market on gaming exclusives come E3 or they should close down the Xbox division.

Was Don Mattrick paid to destroy the business?
 
2014-05-13 07:42:22 PM

Virtual Pariah: This splits the user base and kills the only positive thing that X1 had vs the PS4


What positive thing are you talking about? We are talking about the Kinect, an accessory that was never considered a positive thing. Nobody bought an XBox because it had the Kinect. Millions bought an XBone despite have a Kinect.
 
2014-05-13 07:46:46 PM

sprawl15: if only there was some other company that based its console development on gimmick hardware that microsoft could have looked to as an example/warning


Well that company was given a license to print money a generation ago, and plenty of people told them they should have emulated that.
 
2014-05-13 07:55:41 PM

Tobin_Lam: Virtual Pariah: This splits the user base and kills the only positive thing that X1 had vs the PS4

What positive thing are you talking about? We are talking about the Kinect, an accessory that was never considered a positive thing. Nobody bought an XBox because it had the Kinect. Millions bought an XBone despite have a Kinect.


I still believe that the Kinect concept is a good one.
Microsoft has completely farked the implementation. Probably for a cost reason in all honestly. The device needed more on board brains and a shorter distance lens.

Hell, the dev community did more with Kinect 1.0 than MS did.
 
2014-05-13 08:49:57 PM
I don't care what other people say, I love my Kinect! Seriously, I can talk to my tv when I'm watching Netflix and it actually listens to what I say and does it. That is so cool to me.
 
2014-05-13 08:50:40 PM

Virtual Pariah: A huge mistake on Microsoft's part in a string of huge mistakes regarding the X1.

This splits the user base and kills the only positive thing that X1 had vs the PS4.

They could have done so many other things to differentiate themselves.
1. They could have taken a loss on a Kinect version and just dropped the price to 399.
2. They could have stayed with the DL model for software, but dropped the price to 29.99 for all games.
3. XBLGold could have incorporated a netflix style rental system for new titles (day 1, DL)

But, all they have now is an underpowered system with a bulky controller and no compelling reason to buy one.

Microsoft better have cornered the market on gaming exclusives come E3 or they should close down the Xbox division.

Was Don Mattrick paid to destroy the business?


Remember, he was in charge of the PS3 launch as well.

/did he buy his MBA off of ebay or something?
 
2014-05-13 09:07:28 PM

Electrify: Virtual Pariah: A huge mistake on Microsoft's part in a string of huge mistakes regarding the X1.

This splits the user base and kills the only positive thing that X1 had vs the PS4.

They could have done so many other things to differentiate themselves.
1. They could have taken a loss on a Kinect version and just dropped the price to 399.
2. They could have stayed with the DL model for software, but dropped the price to 29.99 for all games.
3. XBLGold could have incorporated a netflix style rental system for new titles (day 1, DL)

But, all they have now is an underpowered system with a bulky controller and no compelling reason to buy one.

Microsoft better have cornered the market on gaming exclusives come E3 or they should close down the Xbox division.

Was Don Mattrick paid to destroy the business?

Remember, he was in charge of the PS3 launch as well.

/did he buy his MBA off of ebay or something?


From PS3 launch hubris, to XB1 launch hubris, to Zynga (which to be fair, was already failing). Awesome. Can't wait to see which company he sabotages next!
 
2014-05-13 09:19:03 PM

scottydoesntknow: serial_crusher: Endive Wombat: Our XBox 360 was our main entertainment source.  Yes we occasionally played (and still do) games on it, but we streamed the shiat out of some shows.  Yes we found it annoying to pay what...$60 per year to access services we already paid for...yes, the Netflix update that borked the GUI was frustrating, but it all worked good enough.

Then I randomly picked up a Apple TV.

HO-LEE-SHIAT...so much more gooder than anything else I have ever used to stream entertainment.

Yeah, fark MSFT.

I prefer Roku over AppleTV.  It's cheaper and has more features and a better UI.

I got my fiance a Roku a few weeks ago. She farking loves it. Now I can play my game at full volume while she watches the smaller TV with headphones and the wireless remote. Cool little device. Definitely worth the money.


I like my Roku for the most part, except when it's streaming really slow, or when it randomly resets in the middle of a show/movie at least once per day, or when it doesn't want to respond to commands from the remote, or when it tells me there's no wireless connection after I select something to watch after scrolling through the menus that require a wireless connection to load. Except for those things, it's pretty good.
 
2014-05-13 09:37:18 PM

Mr. Breeze: scottydoesntknow: serial_crusher: Endive Wombat: Our XBox 360 was our main entertainment source.  Yes we occasionally played (and still do) games on it, but we streamed the shiat out of some shows.  Yes we found it annoying to pay what...$60 per year to access services we already paid for...yes, the Netflix update that borked the GUI was frustrating, but it all worked good enough.

Then I randomly picked up a Apple TV.

HO-LEE-SHIAT...so much more gooder than anything else I have ever used to stream entertainment.

Yeah, fark MSFT.

I prefer Roku over AppleTV.  It's cheaper and has more features and a better UI.

I got my fiance a Roku a few weeks ago. She farking loves it. Now I can play my game at full volume while she watches the smaller TV with headphones and the wireless remote. Cool little device. Definitely worth the money.

I like my Roku for the most part, except when it's streaming really slow, or when it randomly resets in the middle of a show/movie at least once per day, or when it doesn't want to respond to commands from the remote, or when it tells me there's no wireless connection after I select something to watch after scrolling through the menus that require a wireless connection to load. Except for those things, it's pretty good.


I have a roku I like a ton. My friend's wife who is a devoted apple fanatic has an apple TV, and wishes she had a Roku.

And mine never does any of the shiat you're describing. Maybe you have an old/bad unit?  Even solid state electronics can go bad if you use them all day every day?
 
2014-05-13 09:38:23 PM

Mr. Breeze: scottydoesntknow: serial_crusher: Endive Wombat: Our XBox 360 was our main entertainment source.  Yes we occasionally played (and still do) games on it, but we streamed the shiat out of some shows.  Yes we found it annoying to pay what...$60 per year to access services we already paid for...yes, the Netflix update that borked the GUI was frustrating, but it all worked good enough.

Then I randomly picked up a Apple TV.

HO-LEE-SHIAT...so much more gooder than anything else I have ever used to stream entertainment.

Yeah, fark MSFT.

I prefer Roku over AppleTV.  It's cheaper and has more features and a better UI.

I got my fiance a Roku a few weeks ago. She farking loves it. Now I can play my game at full volume while she watches the smaller TV with headphones and the wireless remote. Cool little device. Definitely worth the money.

I like my Roku for the most part, except when it's streaming really slow, or when it randomly resets in the middle of a show/movie at least once per day, or when it doesn't want to respond to commands from the remote, or when it tells me there's no wireless connection after I select something to watch after scrolling through the menus that require a wireless connection to load. Except for those things, it's pretty good.


That's why I switched to the Amazon Fire TV. It's super-fast, doesn't do that random reset stuff, and has an RF remote that just feels great and works wonderfully. It works with my faster 5 GHz connection on my dual-band router, too. The Netflix app is quick and responsive (loads fast, too), and the Amazon Prime videos usually start instantly. No lag. No delays.
 
2014-05-13 09:40:27 PM

meteorite: I don't care what other people say, I love my Kinect! Seriously, I can talk to my tv when I'm watching Netflix and it actually listens to what I say and does it. That is so cool to me.


I got bored with that after about a month. I prefer my Harmony Remote (for the Xbox 360 and most of my other hardware) and the RF remote on my Fire TV.

Besides, I got sick of covering the camera so Mrs. Nightbird and I could comfortably have sex in the living room without feeling like Big Brother was jerking off on the other side.
 
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2014-05-13 09:41:23 PM

Monaro: From PS3 launch hubris, to XB1 launch hubris, to Zynga (which to be fair, was already failing). Awesome. Can't wait to see which company he sabotages next!


Mattrick was EA->MS->Zynga. No Sony in there whatsoever.

Phil Harrison was involved in both MS and Sony
 
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