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(Philly.com)   Pillaging convenience stores and shaking down businesses? You'd better believe that's a five year paid vacation   (philly.com) divider line 29
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2014-05-13 01:39:22 PM  
After it became clear that no criminal charges would be filed in connection with the alleged thefts and falsified warrants, the department began an internal investigation to see whether the officers had violated department policy.

"Listen - we can overlook the theft, fraud, and extortion.  But violating policy is a step too far, Mister!"
 
2014-05-13 05:07:13 PM  
img.fark.netOn the case:
 
2014-05-13 06:04:11 PM  
Officer Tom Tolstoy

I bet his police reports are REALLY long.

/cop threads go on the Politics Tab now?
 
2014-05-13 08:49:34 PM  
Ramsey's actions come after federal and local law enforcement officials declined to bring criminal charges against the officers.
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The U.S. Attorney's Office cited a lack of evidence and problems with witnesses' credibility.
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One bodega owner captured video of the officers cutting wires to security cameras during a raid, according to sources. Bologna, the supervisor, told investigators the camera was dismantled for safety reasons - to protect plainclothes officers' identities.


You've got these guys literally on tape trying to hide their crimes.  How is that insufficient evidence to at the very least fire all of them?
 
2014-05-13 08:51:53 PM  

Karac: Ramsey's actions come after federal and local law enforcement officials declined to bring criminal charges against the officers.
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The U.S. Attorney's Office cited a lack of evidence and problems with witnesses' credibility.
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One bodega owner captured video of the officers cutting wires to security cameras during a raid, according to sources. Bologna, the supervisor, told investigators the camera was dismantled for safety reasons - to protect plainclothes officers' identities.

You've got these guys literally on tape trying to hide their crimes.  How is that insufficient evidence to at the very least fire all of them?


How dare you impugn the integrity of our first responders.

The correct answer is ' Unions'.
 
2014-05-13 09:09:22 PM  
Pffft, guerilla marketing for a remake of The Sheild.
 
2014-05-13 09:13:06 PM  

Karac: Ramsey's actions come after federal and local law enforcement officials declined to bring criminal charges against the officers.
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The U.S. Attorney's Office cited a lack of evidence and problems with witnesses' credibility.
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One bodega owner captured video of the officers cutting wires to security cameras during a raid, according to sources. Bologna, the supervisor, told investigators the camera was dismantled for safety reasons - to protect plainclothes officers' identities.

You've got these guys literally on tape trying to hide their crimes.  How is that insufficient evidence to at the very least fire all of them?


It's insufficient evidence because the evidence was inadvertantly tainted by law enforcement officers, and thus inadmissable in court.

... or something.
 
2014-05-13 09:16:49 PM  

Karac: Ramsey's actions come after federal and local law enforcement officials declined to bring criminal charges against the officers.
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The U.S. Attorney's Office cited a lack of evidence and problems with witnesses' credibility.
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One bodega owner captured video of the officers cutting wires to security cameras during a raid, according to sources. Bologna, the supervisor, told investigators the camera was dismantled for safety reasons - to protect plainclothes officers' identities.

You've got these guys literally on tape trying to hide their crimes.  How is that insufficient evidence to at the very least fire all of them?


As dirty as these cops may be, keeping pc officers off camera is a valid goal.

One would think simply using uniformed folks only in any raids would make more sense.
 
2014-05-13 09:36:20 PM  
It takes an entire group of corrupt pigs to get one of them fired. Robbery, theft, assault, and one guy gets fired. No one faces charges.

If the bodega owner had smoked them all when they came around for their next re-up, he'd be rotting in prison. fark these pigs, and fark the commissioner that trotted out the "this doesn't represent the majority of officers" bullshiat.
 
2014-05-13 09:55:38 PM  
Where are the usual Fark police defenders?  Shouldn't they be here defending the police?

Here, I'll put some chum in the water:

Yet another incident that reveals that the US has a bigger problem with police than it does with criminals.  Our tax dollars pay these guys to be a street gang with badges and immunity from prosecution.
 
2014-05-13 09:55:39 PM  
I wish they really had been pillaging. Maybe even plundering. There's so little of that nowadays.
 
2014-05-13 09:59:28 PM  

Smackledorfer: Karac: Ramsey's actions come after federal and local law enforcement officials declined to bring criminal charges against the officers.
...
The U.S. Attorney's Office cited a lack of evidence and problems with witnesses' credibility.
...
One bodega owner captured video of the officers cutting wires to security cameras during a raid, according to sources. Bologna, the supervisor, told investigators the camera was dismantled for safety reasons - to protect plainclothes officers' identities.

You've got these guys literally on tape trying to hide their crimes.  How is that insufficient evidence to at the very least fire all of them?

As dirty as these cops may be, keeping pc officers off camera is a valid goal.

One would think simply using uniformed folks only in any raids would make more sense.


Except they could have just done what they did, take the videotape recording on their way out the door.  No need to damage the store owner's property and create the appearance that they've got something to hide besides their faces.
 
2014-05-13 10:22:43 PM  

Karac: Smackledorfer: Karac: Ramsey's actions come after federal and local law enforcement officials declined to bring criminal charges against the officers.
...
The U.S. Attorney's Office cited a lack of evidence and problems with witnesses' credibility.
...
One bodega owner captured video of the officers cutting wires to security cameras during a raid, according to sources. Bologna, the supervisor, told investigators the camera was dismantled for safety reasons - to protect plainclothes officers' identities.

You've got these guys literally on tape trying to hide their crimes.  How is that insufficient evidence to at the very least fire all of them?

As dirty as these cops may be, keeping pc officers off camera is a valid goal.

One would think simply using uniformed folks only in any raids would make more sense.

Except they could have just done what they did, take the videotape recording on their way out the door.  No need to damage the store owner's property and create the appearance that they've got something to hide besides their faces.


With live sending of recordings I suppose one could stretch a need to cut the recording completely.

Wires validly cut could be paid for by the city.


But who am I kidding, the preponderance evidence here is cops in the wrong. Enough for a criminal charge? I lack the information to say.
 
2014-05-13 11:22:18 PM  
The other 97% didn't get caught.
 
2014-05-13 11:44:53 PM  

MFAWG: Karac: Ramsey's actions come after federal and local law enforcement officials declined to bring criminal charges against the officers.
...
The U.S. Attorney's Office cited a lack of evidence and problems with witnesses' credibility.
...
One bodega owner captured video of the officers cutting wires to security cameras during a raid, according to sources. Bologna, the supervisor, told investigators the camera was dismantled for safety reasons - to protect plainclothes officers' identities.

You've got these guys literally on tape trying to hide their crimes.  How is that insufficient evidence to at the very least fire all of them?

How dare you impugn the integrity of our first responders.

The correct answer is ' Unions'.


This.


Of course, the main reason this all goes away is that the Federal government enjoys using the same tactics.  The DOJ, IRS, OSHA, SEC, FTC, and the FDA would be most displeased if they were forced to stop shaking down businesses.
 
m00
2014-05-14 01:12:55 AM  
In before: Cops exist to keep you unemployed hippies like you safe. How dare you criticize a noble Officer of the Law. Those businesses had it coming.
 
2014-05-14 01:18:21 AM  
they got away with corruption again.. wow.. color me unsurprised
 
2014-05-14 02:59:21 AM  
badcopnodonut.net
 
2014-05-14 03:27:26 AM  

Gyrfalcon: I wish they really had been pillaging. Maybe even plundering. There's so little of that nowadays.


FTFA: Cujdik and three of his colleagues have been on desk duty for five years, since a 2009 series in the Philadelphia Daily News reported that they had fabricated evidence, given gifts to informants, and robbed bodegas of cash and merchandise.

How do you define "pillaging"?

The newspaper also reported that one of the officers, Thomas Tolstoy, assaulted three women sexually. A criminal investigation into those allegations is ongoing.

Rape and pillage?

www.thepolicedaily.com

 
2014-05-14 03:55:25 AM  

ox45tallboy: Gyrfalcon: I wish they really had been pillaging. Maybe even plundering. There's so little of that nowadays.

FTFA: Cujdik and three of his colleagues have been on desk duty for five years, since a 2009 series in the Philadelphia Daily News reported that they had fabricated evidence, given gifts to informants, and robbed bodegas of cash and merchandise.

How do you define "pillaging"?

The newspaper also reported that one of the officers, Thomas Tolstoy, assaulted three women sexually. A criminal investigation into those allegations is ongoing.

Rape and pillage?

[www.thepolicedaily.com image 500x508]


I said pillaging and plundering. Even I don't want to throw rape into the mix.

Hm, now you made me go look up the actual definition of "pillaging" and "plundering":

pil·lage
verb (used with object), pil·laged, pil·lag·ing.
1.to strip ruthlessly of money or goods by open violence, as in war; plunder:
2.to take as booty.

 

plun·der
[pluhn-der]
verb (used with object)
1.to rob of goods or valuables by open force,
2. to rob, despoil, or fleece:



Hm, so I guess "pillaging" is more often done in war, and "plundering" is merely done in violent times; ergo, what the cops did was "plundering", like pirates or gangs.[Although in secondary definitions pillaging means plundering and plundering means pillaging.] Apparently soldiers pillage, pirates plunder.
 
2014-05-14 04:15:02 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Hm, so I guess "pillaging" is more often done in war, and "plundering" is merely done in violent times; ergo, what the cops did was "plundering", like pirates or gangs.[Although in secondary definitions pillaging means plundering and plundering means pillaging.] Apparently soldiers pillage, pirates plunder.


I think it's more like "pillaging" occurs after an act of violence which defeats an opponent, "plundering" occurs under threat of violence. A merry band of pirates would be pillaging a settlement if they landed and started shooting everyone in sight before sacking the town, but merely plundering if they surrounded it first and came out with weapons drawn and let everyone go after they took what they wanted.

So I guess technically the cops were plundering, not pillaging, since I doubt anyone fought back, and there's nothing in the reports about them actually shooting anyone before robbing them.

When I saw there were rape charges against one of the officers in addition to the pillaging/plundering, I naturally thought of Vikings. These cops were kickin' it old school.
 
2014-05-14 07:52:59 AM  
"Ramsey's actions come after federal and local law enforcement officials declined to bring criminal charges against the officers. "

OMG the state refused to prosecute itself.  Shocking.

The state above all else!
 
2014-05-14 09:21:06 AM  
I am (above) The Law.
 
2014-05-14 09:54:33 AM  

Karac: Ramsey's actions come after federal and local law enforcement officials declined to bring criminal charges against the officers.
...
The U.S. Attorney's Office cited a lack of evidence and problems with witnesses' credibility.
...
One bodega owner captured video of the officers cutting wires to security cameras during a raid, according to sources. Bologna, the supervisor, told investigators the camera was dismantled for safety reasons - to protect plainclothes officers' identities.

You've got these guys literally on tape trying to hide their crimes.  How is that insufficient evidence to at the very least fire all of them?


It's extremely difficult to convict police for any crime committed while on duty - even when you have a video of a gang of cops beating a homeless man to death while he begs for mercy and witness statements from Doctors that the police purposefully attempted to delay their victims treatment juries in the US are unlikely to convict them.
 
2014-05-14 10:14:32 AM  
how/why did it take 5 years to complete this probe?

They've been on desk duty since 2009!
 
2014-05-14 11:17:46 AM  
And look at all the free time he now has in order to act like a thug, on the taxpayer's dime no less.
 
2014-05-14 11:18:14 AM  
YOU'RE OUT OF CONTROL SMITH! GET YOUR ASS TO THAT DESK RIGHT NOW AND START ANSWERING THE PHONE!

If art imitated life.
 
m00
2014-05-14 11:27:38 AM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: It's extremely difficult to convict police for any crime committed while on duty - even when you have a video of a gang of cops beating a homeless man to death while he begs for mercy and witness statements from Doctors that the police purposefully attempted to delay their victims treatment juries in the US are unlikely to convict them.


I think it's cognitive dissonance. Most people do what a cop tells them to. Even if the reality is because they're scared, they'll convince themselves its because they respect the police. To acknowledge cops don't deserve respect is to acknowledge that those who obey them are cowards, and most men have a fantasy that they are brave. To preserve this fantasy, it is necessary to maintain the fiction that cops deserve our respect.
 
2014-05-14 03:17:39 PM  
Funny, I was arguing on here only a week or so ago with a sheltered suburban Philly idiot of a Farker who couldn't imagine a convienience store owner ever possibly being afraid of a cop in their store, because, like, the police are our friends!
 
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