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(Telegraph)   A look back at the history of the BMW M-series, the car that would put Chevy out of business if Corvette owners ever learned how to read   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 52
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2014-05-13 10:42:35 AM
Subby: The Ultimate Trolling Machine
 
2014-05-13 11:40:41 AM
BMW stands for Boston Motor Works? Or maybe Birmingham? Beloit?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2014-05-13 12:00:58 PM
Why do BMW owners get all excited about cars that look like something my grandmother would have driven?

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-13 12:19:05 PM

vpb: Why do BMW owners get all excited about cars that look like something my grandmother would have driven?

[img.fark.net image 212x183]


Let's compare:

blog.patmcgrathchevyland.com

Yeah...boy...I really don't understand why Corvette owners would choose that unsexy piece of junk over that awesome BMW.
 
2014-05-13 12:28:30 PM

Lando Lincoln: vpb: Why do BMW owners get all excited about cars that look like something my grandmother would have driven?

[img.fark.net image 212x183]

Let's compare:

[blog.patmcgrathchevyland.com image 300x224]

Yeah...boy...I really don't understand why Corvette owners would choose that unsexy piece of junk over that awesome BMW.


One drive like a land yacht, the other like it is on rails. Which one you prefer is up to you.
 
2014-05-13 12:31:07 PM

BadReligion: One drive like a land yacht, the other like it is on rails. Which one you prefer is up to you.


You sound like a guy that's never driven a land yacht before. It's pretty goddamn awesome.
 
2014-05-13 12:49:34 PM

BadReligion: Lando Lincoln: vpb: Why do BMW owners get all excited about cars that look like something my grandmother would have driven?

[img.fark.net image 212x183]

Let's compare:

[blog.patmcgrathchevyland.com image 300x224]

Yeah...boy...I really don't understand why Corvette owners would choose that unsexy piece of junk over that awesome BMW.

One drive like a land yacht, the other like it is on rails. Which one you prefer is up to you.


I live in Massachusetts, that 'on rails' drive turns into 'bruises and lost fillings' on these roads.  Gimme day yacht.
 
2014-05-13 12:56:34 PM
Call me when BMW makes a shagging wagon that can compare with a Chevy
 
2014-05-13 12:56:55 PM
In before 'But...but... Corvettes have leaf springs'
 
2014-05-13 01:13:30 PM
 four-door saloon

Well, next time I want some whiskey, billiards, or a gun fight I'll look into an M3.  I loved my C5 convertible.
 
2014-05-13 01:18:03 PM
Subby is a car fail. Nice article though.

Personally I love to own either an M3 or latest model vette. I had the little brother of the older vette (Ls1 Trans Am) and I've also owned the 335i. Having choices is a good thing, both cars excel and have different styling/performance etc.
 
2014-05-13 01:18:46 PM
Corvette = past middle aged douchebag

M3 = pre middle aged douchebag
 
2014-05-13 01:25:56 PM

H31N0US: Corvette = past middle aged douchebag

M3 = pre middle aged douchebag


BMW: guaranteed to drive like an asshole

Corvette: possibly will drive like an asshole

TheGreatGazoo: In before 'But...but... Corvettes have leaf springs'


I'm proud of Fark that no one has really said "Corvettes can't turn corners" yet because that line is about as fresh and relevant as 4NonBlondes' "What's up?"
 
2014-05-13 01:31:54 PM
I'd give my left nut for a 2014 R1200GS.  No, I take that back; I'll give $16,000.
 
2014-05-13 01:34:07 PM

Lando Lincoln: BMW stands for Boston Motor Works? Or maybe Birmingham? Beloit?


No, it stands for Broken Money Waster.

Did you know that BMW makes you buy proprietary windshield wiper blades?  Yep.  So if one flies off on the interstate at 11PM, you will have to wait for the dealership to open to get another.  You better believe they're a lot more expensive than an ordinary wiper, too.

Oh, and you also have to buy a proprietary battery.  It has to be "introduced" to the car by the dealer.  That costs like five times what it would to just buy a battery at Pep Boys.

Say what you want about the Corvette, but GM is a lot less ass-rapey than BMW.
 
2014-05-13 01:34:31 PM

H31N0US: Corvette = past middle aged douchebag

M3 = pre middle aged douchebag



People who like what I don't like are bad.
 
2014-05-13 01:41:08 PM

L.D. Ablo: Say what you want about the Corvette, but GM is a lot less ass-rapey than BMW.


This is a fact, not an opinion.  BMW makes great cars, but their parts are crazy expensive.  Audi is even worse.
 
2014-05-13 01:47:31 PM

factoryconnection: L.D. Ablo: Say what you want about the Corvette, but GM is a lot less ass-rapey than BMW.

This is a fact, not an opinion.  BMW makes great cars, but their parts are crazy expensive.  Audi is even worse.


Pfft. Amateurs....

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-13 01:51:17 PM
Anyone see these adds for Lexus' new F-series? Good god they are like Axe body spray commercials in car form.
 
2014-05-13 01:53:29 PM

Lando Lincoln: BadReligion: One drive like a land yacht, the other like it is on rails. Which one you prefer is up to you.

You sound like a guy that's never driven a land yacht before. It's pretty goddamn awesome.


I can see the appeal of driving what is basically a large sofa down the freeway.
 
2014-05-13 01:56:38 PM

L.D. Ablo: Lando Lincoln: BMW stands for Boston Motor Works? Or maybe Birmingham? Beloit?

No, it stands for Broken Money Waster.

Did you know that BMW makes you buy proprietary windshield wiper blades?  Yep.  So if one flies off on the interstate at 11PM, you will have to wait for the dealership to open to get another.  You better believe they're a lot more expensive than an ordinary wiper, too.

Oh, and you also have to buy a proprietary battery.  It has to be "introduced" to the car by the dealer.  That costs like five times what it would to just buy a battery at Pep Boys.

Say what you want about the Corvette, but GM is a lot less ass-rapey than BMW.


No, I didn't know that, and that's funny, because  I've replaced the battery and wiper blades on my E36 M3 myself, from things I bought online or at Autozone. In fact, the *only* maintenance I've had to take my BMW to the dealer for is to replace the ignition tumbler, which I didn't want some random shop grease monkey doing.

My car, thus far, has cost less to own than my wife's 10-year-newer Subaru.
 
2014-05-13 01:56:44 PM

nocturnal001: H31N0US: Corvette = past middle aged douchebag

M3 = pre middle aged douchebag


People who like what I don't like are bad.


People who don't like what I like or like what I don't like or buy what I couldn't afford or wouldn't buy also have little cocks.  They are making up for not being me by having tiny little peeners.  I'm not gay, I just think a lot about the size of other people's sausage.
 
2014-05-13 01:58:32 PM

H31N0US: M3 = pre middle aged douchebag


Only so long as the M3 is less than 5 years old, because then it's certain to have been purchased with Daddy's money, or the owner is flush because some app they coded to serve the most minimal functions of upper-class urban twats got VC funding from a 70-year-old that thinks taxes = slavery.

If the car is over 5 years old it's probably a Jalopnik-reading weekend hooner, and they have my full support.

/watched an Asian girl who could not have been old enough to drink spend 10 solid minutes trying to parallel park a brand-new, Cabernet-red M3 sedan in front of my apartment last week. Hills + stick shift = no parking
//she was gorgeous though. Which also falls into the "daddy's" money category :)
 
2014-05-13 02:01:20 PM

Geotpf: Lando Lincoln: BadReligion: One drive like a land yacht, the other like it is on rails. Which one you prefer is up to you.

You sound like a guy that's never driven a land yacht before. It's pretty goddamn awesome.

I can see the appeal of driving what is basically a large sofa down the freeway.


I learned to drive in a 1973 Buick LeSabre sedan.  2 bench seats.  Room for 8, though there weren't that many seat belts.
 
2014-05-13 02:33:59 PM

grinding_journalist: No, I didn't know that, and that's funny, because  I've replaced the battery and wiper blades on my E36 M3 myself, from things I bought online or at Autozone. In fact, the *only* maintenance I've had to take my BMW to the dealer for is to replace the ignition tumbler, which I didn't want some random shop grease monkey doing.

My car, thus far, has cost less to own than my wife's 10-year-newer Subaru.


I have an E36 BMW (330xi, AWD, 6-spd manual transmission) that is now 10 years old, though it's still pretty low miles for its age (under 80K).  When it was under warranty (the 5 year/50K mile warranty expired at 5 years from age, rather than from miles) it did not have a single warranty repair--scheduled maintenance was covered under the warranty, so I got oil changes from the dealer, and that was about it.  Since the warranty expired, here is the entire list of maintenance/repairs that have been done to the car, as far as I can recall:

--Tires
--Regular oil changes (which I do myself)
--Wiper blades (and yes, they're available from AutoZone or anywhere else, though I do choose to use the dealer OEM refills because they mold to the windshield perfectly)
--One set of brakes (which I replaced myself with the assistance of a friend who's better at it than I am)
--Replaced valve cover gasket (done by an independent BMW shop)
--Replaced one very slightly leaking radiator hose (leak noted from inspection done when the valve cover gasket was replaced, and replaced then)
--Replaced one headlight bulb (bought at AutoZone)

That's it.  Except for tires, I've probably spent around $1000 in total for all maintenance and repairs in 10 years.  Everything else--even regular maintenance items such as the battery, clutch, belts, hoses, and spark plugs--are the original items, and they show no sign of needing to be replaced.

I've owned a half-dozen BMWs over the years, and every one has been relatively similar to this one in terms of maintenance (except for an E34 540i I once owned, which was a bit of a pain in the ass and cost me some significant money to maintain).  For me, they've been among the most reliable and cheap-to-maintain cars I've ever owned.
 
2014-05-13 02:37:47 PM

Cyberluddite: grinding_journalist: No, I didn't know that, and that's funny, because  I've replaced the battery and wiper blades on my E36 M3 myself, from things I bought online or at Autozone. In fact, the *only* maintenance I've had to take my BMW to the dealer for is to replace the ignition tumbler, which I didn't want some random shop grease monkey doing.

My car, thus far, has cost less to own than my wife's 10-year-newer Subaru.


I have an E36 BMW (330xi, AWD, 6-spd manual transmission) that is now 10 years old,


Oops, my mistake.  Mine is obviously an  E46, not an E36.  The rest of my post is accurate, though.
 
2014-05-13 02:40:29 PM
They forgot an important piece of the //M legacy:
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-13 03:00:04 PM

OSULugan: They forgot an important piece of the //M legacy:
[img.fark.net image 832x624]


They also forgot the M Coupe (a.k.a. the "elf hearse" or "clown shoe"), which is understandable as it's certainly not BMW's finest styling effort, to say the least (though from what I've heard, they were a great to drive):

www.uneedapart.com
 
2014-05-13 03:14:05 PM
image.motortrend.com

or

www.gtspirit.com


One looks like a 4 door grocery getter and is pretty much indistinguishable from its stable mates, the other is a god damn corvette.
 
2014-05-13 03:26:16 PM

Cyberluddite: OSULugan: They forgot an important piece of the //M legacy:
[img.fark.net image 832x624]

They also forgot the M Coupe (a.k.a. the "elf hearse" or "clown shoe"), which is understandable as it's certainly not BMW's finest styling effort, to say the least (though from what I've heard, they were a great to drive):

[www.uneedapart.com image 400x300]


Hell, I'd roll that "clown shoe" just because it's so different.  The added cargo room helps as well.
 
2014-05-13 03:27:53 PM
... Maybe Corvette owners aren't interested in Douchemobiles (and the douchebags that drive them)?

/in the DC area, the safe assumption is that Lexus and BMW drivers are going to act like they own the road.  I saw a BMW be courteous once and slow down to let merging traffic in, gave him a big thumbs up.
 
2014-05-13 03:29:50 PM

Gary-L: Hell, I'd roll that "clown shoe" just because it's so different.  The added cargo room helps as well.


I think they're ugly as sin, but many who have driven them think they're the just about the best driver of any of the M cars.  I've never driven one, but I'd like to have the chance to check one out.
 
2014-05-13 03:32:13 PM

Gary-L: Hell, I'd roll that "clown shoe" just because it's so different.  The added cargo room helps as well.


The M coupe was my favorite BMW ever, although M5 wagon would have been pretty kick-ass as well.  I love the shooting brake idea in general.
 
2014-05-13 03:33:40 PM

Cyberluddite: Gary-L: Hell, I'd roll that "clown shoe" just because it's so different.  The added cargo room helps as well.

I think they're ugly as sin, but many who have driven them think they're the just about the best driver of any of the M cars.  I've never driven one, but I'd like to have the chance to check one out.


The Citroen DS23 wagon is so ugly I would love to roll it.  Why?  Because it's different.

s1.cdn.autoevolution.com
 
2014-05-13 03:54:18 PM
VIVA LA SHOOTING BRAKE

/M Coupe owner
 
2014-05-13 03:56:39 PM
BMW achieved automotive perfection with the E39 M5.
It's too bad about most of the stuff since then.
 
2014-05-13 04:10:53 PM

Land Ark: BMW achieved automotive perfection with the E39 M5. E9 3.0 CS
It's too bad about most of the stuff since then.


FTFY
 
2014-05-13 04:12:32 PM

L.D. Ablo: Lando Lincoln: BMW stands for Boston Motor Works? Or maybe Birmingham? Beloit?

No, it stands for Broken Money Waster.

Did you know that BMW makes you buy proprietary windshield wiper blades?  Yep.  So if one flies off on the interstate at 11PM, you will have to wait for the dealership to open to get another.  You better believe they're a lot more expensive than an ordinary wiper, too.

Oh, and you also have to buy a proprietary battery.  It has to be "introduced" to the car by the dealer.  That costs like five times what it would to just buy a battery at Pep Boys.

Say what you want about the Corvette, but GM is a lot less ass-rapey than BMW.


My brother just bought a 2004 model year M3 for around $20k earlier this year. I offered him congratulations and condolences at the same time.
 
2014-05-13 04:23:08 PM

H31N0US: Corvette = past middle aged douchebag

M3 = pre middle aged douchebag


At least is seems like most Corvette owners own a house and park their cars in the garage.

There's a douche that lives in the apartments up the street from me who leaves his M3 out in the rain, snow, hail and 100+ degree heat. Multiple reasons to punch him in the face.
 
2014-05-13 04:51:28 PM

L.D. Ablo: Lando Lincoln: BMW stands for Boston Motor Works? Or maybe Birmingham? Beloit?

No, it stands for Broken Money Waster.

Did you know that BMW makes you buy proprietary windshield wiper blades?  Yep.  So if one flies off on the interstate at 11PM, you will have to wait for the dealership to open to get another.  You better believe they're a lot more expensive than an ordinary wiper, too.

Oh, and you also have to buy a proprietary battery.  It has to be "introduced" to the car by the dealer.  That costs like five times what it would to just buy a battery at Pep Boys.

Say what you want about the Corvette, but GM is a lot less ass-rapey than BMW.


These statements are false.
 
2014-05-13 06:53:17 PM

Lando Lincoln: BMW stands for Boston Motor Works? Or maybe Birmingham? Beloit?


Break my windshield.
 
2014-05-13 07:39:18 PM

OSULugan: They forgot an important piece of the //M legacy:
[img.fark.net image 832x624]


This was my car, same color et al.  Sold it last year after 10 years of happy , expense free ownership.
 
2014-05-13 08:13:44 PM
My Stingray arrives in a couple of weeks, and I'm being fitted for my small penis as we speak.

Or I'm excited because I think it looks awesome.
 
2014-05-13 08:30:20 PM
BMW drivers rank just below the assholes with giant, lifted pickup trucks with fart pipes.

On my list of people to target for a drone strike, that is.
 
2014-05-13 08:55:30 PM
LOLWUT? As an owner of a 2008 Z06 Corvette, 2011 M3 (E92), 2011 M3 (E90) and 1997 M3 (E36), I am very much getting a kick out of these replies. ;-)
 
2014-05-13 11:25:41 PM
Saw a new Stingray at the local car show last week and it literally stopped me in my tracks. It's a gorgeous, badass-looking car.

That said, if I had the time and money to maintain one I'd love one of these:

i697.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-14 01:57:00 AM

aiiee: OSULugan: They forgot an important piece of the //M legacy:
[img.fark.net image 832x624]

This was my car, same color et al.  Sold it last year after 10 years of happy , expense free ownership.


I specifically mentioned it, because I just bought a black '98 //M Roadster less than a year ago.
 
2014-05-14 09:44:47 AM
This is the only M1 I want on the road, thank you very much:

www.fprado.com
 
2014-05-14 09:45:20 AM

BadReligion: Lando Lincoln: vpb: Why do BMW owners get all excited about cars that look like something my grandmother would have driven?

[img.fark.net image 212x183]

Let's compare:

[blog.patmcgrathchevyland.com image 300x224]

Yeah...boy...I really don't understand why Corvette owners would choose that unsexy piece of junk over that awesome BMW.

One drive like a land yacht, the other like it is on rails. Which one you prefer is up to you.


The Corvette accelerates faster, stops shorter, pulls more on the skidpad, and is faster at the track.

I guess that the BMW has a backseat, so it's got that going for it.
 
2014-05-14 10:21:20 AM

Cyberluddite: grinding_journalist: No, I didn't know that, and that's funny, because  I've replaced the battery and wiper blades on my E36 M3 myself, from things I bought online or at Autozone. In fact, the *only* maintenance I've had to take my BMW to the dealer for is to replace the ignition tumbler, which I didn't want some random shop grease monkey doing.

My car, thus far, has cost less to own than my wife's 10-year-newer Subaru.

I have an E36 BMW (330xi, AWD, 6-spd manual transmission) that is now 10 years old, though it's still pretty low miles for its age (under 80K).  When it was under warranty (the 5 year/50K mile warranty expired at 5 years from age, rather than from miles) it did not have a single warranty repair--scheduled maintenance was covered under the warranty, so I got oil changes from the dealer, and that was about it.  Since the warranty expired, here is the entire list of maintenance/repairs that have been done to the car, as far as I can recall:

--Tires
--Regular oil changes (which I do myself)
--Wiper blades (and yes, they're available from AutoZone or anywhere else, though I do choose to use the dealer OEM refills because they mold to the windshield perfectly)
--One set of brakes (which I replaced myself with the assistance of a friend who's better at it than I am)
--Replaced valve cover gasket (done by an independent BMW shop)
--Replaced one very slightly leaking radiator hose (leak noted from inspection done when the valve cover gasket was replaced, and replaced then)
--Replaced one headlight bulb (bought at AutoZone)

That's it.  Except for tires, I've probably spent around $1000 in total for all maintenance and repairs in 10 years.  Everything else--even regular maintenance items such as the battery, clutch, belts, hoses, and spark plugs--are the original items, and they show no sign of needing to be replaced.

I've owned a half-dozen BMWs over the years, and every one has been relatively similar to this one in terms of maintenance (except for an E34 540i I once owned, which was a bit of a pain in the ass and cost me some significant money to maintain).  For me, they've been among the most reliable and cheap-to-maintain cars I've ever owned.


My VW and Audi's have been about the same. They either work great, or you've got a maintenance monster. Still not as bad as a Mercedes, in any case. Not that Mercedes is of lower quality, per se, just that some models (and the favorite models are like this) have blindingly new car tech. I think it was Clarkson who noted this on Top Gear.

What Clarkson didn't mention is that all of the new car tech makes you a beta tester with a car that can spend as much time in the shop as on the road. Ford has had similar issues with MS Sync.

Subaru does make a pretty tough car though. All of the people I've known with Outbacks still have the things. They aren't rusted out maintenance nightmares, but they are pretty basic cars.

Still like my GTI and my Quattro. Wouldn't mind a proper M3, but you can keep the Vette.
 
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