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(Politico)   You thought Fox linking Boko Haram to Benghazi was bad? Politico ups the ante by actually trying to make a case for the connection. Your move, Birthers   (politico.com ) divider line
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2014-05-13 10:31:27 AM  
This reminds me of the good ol days, when Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda used to have those backyard BBQs and then the men would get drunk and go into Hussein's bunker and play Xbox and make Anthrax and WMDs.

Good times.
 
2014-05-13 11:49:39 AM  
I'm not sure "connection" is the right word to use here.  "Consequence" seems more fitting.
 
2014-05-13 11:50:36 AM  
media.salon.com
 
2014-05-13 11:51:23 AM  

Diogenes: I'm not sure "connection" is the right word to use here.  "Consequence" seems more fitting.


Even then, it's not strictly a consequence of Benghazi, but of the Libyan uprising and civil war in general.
 
2014-05-13 11:53:43 AM  
Boko Haram isn't our problem, even less so than Ukraine.
 
2014-05-13 11:54:26 AM  

Arkanaut: Diogenes: I'm not sure "connection" is the right word to use here.  "Consequence" seems more fitting.

Even then, it's not strictly a consequence of Benghazi, but of the Libyan uprising and civil war in general.


A lighter shade of potatoe
 
2014-05-13 11:55:10 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-13 11:56:56 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Boko Haram isn't our problem, even less so than Ukraine.


What is in the long term political interests of the US though?  You don't want Nigeria to become another Yemen.
 
2014-05-13 11:57:17 AM  

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 850x949]


I CAN SEE GOD
 
2014-05-13 11:58:05 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Boko Haram isn't our problem, even less so than Ukraine.


I don't think that anyone's advocating doing much other than hopefully shaming the Nigerian goverment to, you know, manage it's own sovereignty in a responsible manner.  If my country had an organization running around kidnapping kids, I would hope and expect there'd be some pressure from the wider world to make the government take some kind of action.
 
2014-05-13 11:59:05 AM  
I fondly remember when Benghazi was a funny demented obsession for the right. Now it is just pathetically sad.
 
2014-05-13 12:00:31 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-13 12:01:12 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 850x949]

I CAN SEE GOD


You shoulda made it a stereogram of his face, too, Herring.

Anyway, fark you, Politico. Fark you. The only reason you're posting this insipid tripe is so it'll be reblogged by Drudge and trumpeted throughout the derposphere in badly cited form, giving you hundreds of thousands of page views.
 
2014-05-13 12:01:32 PM  

mrshowrules: HotWingConspiracy: Boko Haram isn't our problem, even less so than Ukraine.

What is in the long term political interests of the US though?  You don't want Nigeria to become another Yemen.


Nigeria needs to request assistance if they want it, they have a competent military and intel service that generally prefer to handle their internal affairs on their own.

They finally have requested support, but nothing we did or didn't do prior to this would have changed anything.
 
2014-05-13 12:01:45 PM  
it was partly rooted in a larger effort by the Obama administration to narrowly define al Qaeda and deemphasize the rise of its new affiliates

That is so stupid that it can't even be put into words. Al Qaeda means "The Base". Base for what, you might ask? AFFILIATES. It's like deemphasizing the Marines or Navy in an effort to target the US government.
 
2014-05-13 12:03:14 PM  
The amazingly incompetent Nigerian government is really to blame here. The authorities had advances warning and instead of sending reinforcements they fled and left the girls to fend for themselves.
Goodluck Johnathan didn't even make an official statement on the abductions for 19 farking days.
The Nigerian government either has no intrest or is to inept to combat boko haram.
 
2014-05-13 12:04:03 PM  
The point of not giving them recognition as a terrorist organization was to avoid increasing their ranks due to the notoriety that made groups like Al Qaeda into brand names.  We've been working with the Nigerian Government since 2011 coordinating against these guys.
 
2014-05-13 12:05:20 PM  

Mercutio74: HotWingConspiracy: Boko Haram isn't our problem, even less so than Ukraine.

I don't think that anyone's advocating doing much other than hopefully shaming the Nigerian goverment to, you know, manage it's own sovereignty in a responsible manner.  If my country had an organization running around kidnapping kids, I would hope and expect there'd be some pressure from the wider world to make the government take some kind of action.


I wouldn't have an issue with lending them some intel or recon support, or Special Forces advisers (which I think they're doing already), but I'm not keen on SEAL teams chasing those dudes around.
 
2014-05-13 12:09:12 PM  
FTFA: According to current and former U.S. officials, the reluctance of Hillary Clinton's State Department to designate Boko Haram as a foreign terrorist organization in the summer of 2012 was no isolated case; it was partly rooted in a larger effort by the Obama administration to narrowly define al Qaeda and deemphasize the rise of its new affiliates, especially in Africa.

And? A big problem with the war of terror is that there really is very little structure to the system: you've got a few high profile/influential groups of Salafist jihadis who have money connections and literally hundreds of smaller groups who have to prove themselves in order to actually be put into contact with the money men.

You take out the money men, you take out the high profile members, you cut off the head. You take too long or make too many missteps and you allow the next generation of leadership to make a name for itself and establish influence in their own region. Ideally you want to take out these low-level groups without giving them infamy in the process, and calling every Salafist jihadi group al Qaeda gives them a higher profile then most deserve. It's still ridiculous Clinton resisted the terrorist label for the group at all after the car bombing at the UN building, but not calling them al Qaeda makes sense when they have little if anything to do with al Qaeda beyond common beliefs. Same with Ansar al-Sharia; the "al Qaeda link" is that some senior members were connected to Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat which eventually was renamed al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (the same group that Boko Haram is connected to). Chances are both groups have little if any actual connection to the people involved in the attacks on 9/11/2001 or various other acts attributed to al Qaeda beyond wanting to impress them. Actually getting money, weapons, or marching orders from al Qaeda proper is incredibly unlikely.
 
2014-05-13 12:09:32 PM  
Let me see if I got this right: Boko Harem is connected to Benghazi which is connected to Malaysion flight 370 which means the Obama is responsible for those girls getting kidnapped.
 
2014-05-13 12:16:27 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: it was partly rooted in a larger effort by the Obama administration to narrowly define al Qaeda and deemphasize the rise of its new affiliates

That is so stupid that it can't even be put into words. Al Qaeda means "The Base". Base for what, you might ask? AFFILIATES. It's like deemphasizing the Marines or Navy in an effort to target the US government.


That implies that the Marines or Navy are rag tag teams that primarily have to throw together what elements they have available to win skirmishes and tries to use those wins as justification to obtain federal funding.

This isn't an ever expanding series of branches of a military organization. This is neighborhood roughs trying to make a name for themselves to prove to Big Tony they have what it takes to join The Family.
 
2014-05-13 12:18:09 PM  

Wendy's Chili: [media.salon.com image 750x500]


someone just skipped the light fandango.
 
2014-05-13 12:18:26 PM  

Diogenes: I'm not sure "connection" is the right word to use here.  "Consequence" seems more fitting.


But a single policy that results in two consequences seems a bit of a connection. Not that that action could have prevented either, so actually, it's neither a consequence or connection.
 
2014-05-13 12:18:52 PM  

KingKauff: Let me see if I got this right: Boko Harem is connected to Benghazi which is connected to Malaysion flight 370 which means the Obama is responsible for those girls getting kidnapped.


If only it was that simple.
 
2014-05-13 12:22:25 PM  

Grungehamster: You take out the money men, you take out the high profile members, you cut off the head.


Just so we're clear: this sort of "decapitation" can't kill this sort of organizational structure by definition. However, any sort of revolt/insurgency/whatever is going to need resources to survive and thrive, and there has to either be local failure to quell an uprising or outside help to bring a group from creation to actually being a regional threat. You can suffocate a lot of movements by eliminating the source of their resources.
 
2014-05-13 12:30:43 PM  
*tosses picket ripped off of fence away, lies wearily down on the grass*

I'm just too blown out by the unending two years worth of BENGHAZI!!1! derp to give anymore of a sh*t.

It's like being in Hell.
 
2014-05-13 12:30:58 PM  
www.spectacularry.com

SAY BENGHAZI AGAIN! SAY BENGHAZI AGAIN! I DARE YOU, I DOUBLE-DARE YOU, MOTHERF*CKER! SAY BENGHAZI ONE MORE GODDAMN TIME!
 
2014-05-13 12:31:49 PM  

Fart_Machine: The point of not giving them recognition as a terrorist organization was to avoid increasing their ranks due to the notoriety that made groups like Al Qaeda into brand names.  We've been working with the Nigerian Government since 2011 coordinating against these guys.


Because, heaven forbid they would go out and do something else to get attention.
 
2014-05-13 12:32:02 PM  

Grungehamster: Noam Chimpsky: it was partly rooted in a larger effort by the Obama administration to narrowly define al Qaeda and deemphasize the rise of its new affiliates

That is so stupid that it can't even be put into words. Al Qaeda means "The Base". Base for what, you might ask? AFFILIATES. It's like deemphasizing the Marines or Navy in an effort to target the US government.

That implies that the Marines or Navy are rag tag teams that primarily have to throw together what elements they have available to win skirmishes and tries to use those wins as justification to obtain federal funding.

This isn't an ever expanding series of branches of a military organization. This is neighborhood roughs trying to make a name for themselves to prove to Big Tony they have what it takes to join The Family.


Do you think the KLA, our ground troops in the war against the Serbs, were al qaeda?

Bin Laden himself trained those guys himself in Algeria before Clinton made them his ground troops. I ask because I've always noted a certain convenience aspect in regards to those groups that Democrats want to deem al qaeda or not al qaeda.

.
 
2014-05-13 12:34:20 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: [www.spectacularry.com image 500x328]

SAY BENGHAZI AGAIN! SAY BENGHAZI AGAIN! I DARE YOU, I DOUBLE-DARE YOU, MOTHERF*CKER! SAY BENGHAZI ONE MORE GODDAMN TIME!


WHAT?
 
2014-05-13 12:35:24 PM  

Bith Set Me Up: [www.spectacularry.com image 500x328]

SAY BENGHAZI AGAIN! SAY BENGHAZI AGAIN! I DARE YOU, I DOUBLE-DARE YOU, MOTHERF*CKER! SAY BENGHAZI ONE MORE GODDAMN TIME!


Benghazi. Nice hairdoo, biatch.
 
2014-05-13 12:36:04 PM  

Grungehamster: Grungehamster: You take out the money men, you take out the high profile members, you cut off the head.

Just so we're clear: this sort of "decapitation" can't kill this sort of organizational structure by definition. However, any sort of revolt/insurgency/whatever is going to need resources to survive and thrive, and there has to either be local failure to quell an uprising or outside help to bring a group from creation to actually being a regional threat. You can suffocate a lot of movements by eliminating the source of their resources.


real money men rarely source a single entity.  the wise also source the enemy of the entity.
 
2014-05-13 12:41:41 PM  
There is a reason Charles P. Pierce calls Politico, Tiger Beat on The Potomac, and regularly posts entries titled, Things In Politico That Make Me Want to Guzzle Antifreeze, Part the Infinity.

What a worthless publication.
 
2014-05-13 12:51:00 PM  

mrshowrules: HotWingConspiracy: Boko Haram isn't our problem, even less so than Ukraine.

What is in the long term political interests of the US though?  You don't want Nigeria to become another Yemen.



Maybe you care. No one else does.
 
2014-05-13 12:53:38 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 850x949]

I CAN SEE GOD


strangely enough, if you stare hard enough, you get this:
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-13 12:53:39 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: Grungehamster: Noam Chimpsky: it was partly rooted in a larger effort by the Obama administration to narrowly define al Qaeda and deemphasize the rise of its new affiliates

That is so stupid that it can't even be put into words. Al Qaeda means "The Base". Base for what, you might ask? AFFILIATES. It's like deemphasizing the Marines or Navy in an effort to target the US government.

That implies that the Marines or Navy are rag tag teams that primarily have to throw together what elements they have available to win skirmishes and tries to use those wins as justification to obtain federal funding.

This isn't an ever expanding series of branches of a military organization. This is neighborhood roughs trying to make a name for themselves to prove to Big Tony they have what it takes to join The Family.

Do you think the KLA, our ground troops in the war against the Serbs, were al qaeda?

Bin Laden himself trained those guys himself in Algeria before Clinton made them his ground troops. I ask because I've always noted a certain convenience aspect in regards to those groups that Democrats want to deem al qaeda or not al qaeda.

.

The hell does that have to do with anything? I'm saying until a group actually is getting resources from al Qaeda and not in contact with a group who is in contact with a group who has al Qaeda members treating them as a part of al Qaeda is a stretch. It treats the strength of of al Qaeda as massively huge that hundreds of local militias that have one or two dozen young zealots out to make a name for themselves as a separate al Qaeda cell based solely on a shared religious belief but no actual links to the group. You run into the opposite problem of what you're suggesting: putting every insurgency group we fought in Iraq in the "al Qaeda" category lead to us spinning our wheels while sounding like we were making any progress against the actual people responsible for dozens of attacks on US targets domestic and abroad.

Calling a group terrorists is absolutely reasonable to me, but labeling them al Qaeda is simplistic and misses the nuances of who exactly we are fighting. Boko Haram is a terrorist group, but they aren't al Qaeda.
 
2014-05-13 12:56:00 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: mrshowrules: HotWingConspiracy: Boko Haram isn't our problem, even less so than Ukraine.

What is in the long term political interests of the US though?  You don't want Nigeria to become another Yemen.

Nigeria needs to request assistance if they want it, they have a competent military and intel service that generally prefer to handle their internal affairs on their own.

They finally have requested support, but nothing we did or didn't do prior to this would have changed anything.


foreign policy is complex.  I rarely claim to have the answer for anything but I sure as hell have more confidence in the Obama administration then something like a McCain or Romney administration or anything else the GOP would offer except possibly Huntsman.
 
2014-05-13 01:05:53 PM  

qorkfiend: KingKauff: Let me see if I got this right: Boko Harem is connected to Benghazi which is connected to Malaysion flight 370 which means the Obama is responsible for those girls getting kidnapped.

If only it was that simple.


True if Obama wasn't there stealing the kids himself, why hasn't he spoken up.  The truth is that he is a secret mooslim Boko Harammunist.  Have you noticed the B, K, and the O in the Boko and the fact that Haram starts with H, like Hussein, which is Saddam's last and Barack's middle name.
 
2014-05-13 01:09:12 PM  
It's a good thing that our politics is focused on important issues of our time.

BTW, the other day scientists announced that the Antarctic ice shelf has begun collapsing, which is nearly certain to lead to sea level rise and other nasty things.

But keep on derping about Benghazi.  The GOP has been remarkably successful in getting the media to focus on the most inane bullshiat, rather than actual problems our country is facing (which, incidentally, the GOP has made the conscious policy decision to do absolutely nothing about to the point of denying that they are problems to begin with).
 
2014-05-13 01:21:31 PM  
Boko Haram has as much to do with al Queda as that guy who shot up the Sikh temple in Wisconsin because they were Muslims does with the guy who killed George Tiller because he performed abortions.
 
2014-05-13 01:34:17 PM  

Cataholic: Fart_Machine: The point of not giving them recognition as a terrorist organization was to avoid increasing their ranks due to the notoriety that made groups like Al Qaeda into brand names.  We've been working with the Nigerian Government since 2011 coordinating against these guys.

Because, heaven forbid they would go out and do something else to get attention.


So you're saying they were going to stop once they got international attention as a recognized terrorist group? Sure worked with Al Qaeda. Oh...
 
2014-05-13 01:35:44 PM  
I haven't seen this much straw-grasping since the last time I farked a scarecrow!
 
2014-05-13 01:38:10 PM  
Well, both events happened in Africa.
That is one f*cked up country.
 
2014-05-13 01:46:44 PM  
Our media is going to destroy us.
 
2014-05-13 01:48:51 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: it was partly rooted in a larger effort by the Obama administration to narrowly define al Qaeda and deemphasize the rise of its new affiliates

That is so stupid that it can't even be put into words. Al Qaeda means "The Base". Base for what, you might ask? AFFILIATES. It's like deemphasizing the Marines or Navy in an effort to target the US government.


I'll bite, against my better judgment.

My opinion, it's smart to de-emphasize al Qaeda (or any other organization for that matter) when the White House or other branch of the U.S. government comments publicly, since doing so increases their stature. If they're soft-pedaling connections even when they do exist, it's most likely a policy that's informed by what happened a few years ago back when mentioning terrorism and al Qaeda in every breath helped them recruit.

Not much different than how the news media learned to deal with street gangs in the '80s -- the more times a gang was named in the local media, the more street cred they acquired, and pretty soon they realized it was best to not mention the names of the street gangs when reporting on crimes.

Does that make any sense to you?
 
2014-05-13 01:52:09 PM  

Jackson Herring: [i.imgur.com image 850x949]


I stared at that for enough time for it to stereograph and a cold cup of kool-aid came out of my monitor. It all makes sense now. Thanks!
 
2014-05-13 02:09:57 PM  
Go home Politico, you're drunk.
 
2014-05-13 02:12:45 PM  
Boko Haram is an islamic terrorist group. An islamic terrorist group attacked Benghazi. Benghazi is in Libya. Libyan nationalists were in Back to the Future with Christopher Lloyd. Christopher Lloyd was in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest with Jack Nicholson. Jack Nicholson was in A Few Good Men with...Kevin Bacon.

Checkmate, liberals.
 
2014-05-13 02:56:26 PM  

Draq: Boko Haram is an islamic terrorist group. An islamic terrorist group attacked Benghazi. Benghazi is in Libya. Libyan nationalists were in Back to the Future with Christopher Lloyd. Christopher Lloyd was in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest with Jack Nicholson. Jack Nicholson was in A Few Good Men with...Kevin Bacon.

Checkmate, liberals.


that is the sanest argument I've heard in this entire thing
 
2014-05-14 01:53:56 AM  
Odd, considering the renewed interest in Benghazi happened right around the same time the Cliven Bundy debacle blew up in conservatives' faces.

Odd, indeed.
 
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