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(Yahoo)   US aircraft are now flying over Nigeria looking for the kidnapped schoolgirls, because if anything can find a Muslim wedding it's a predator drone   (uk.news.yahoo.com) divider line 96
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2014-05-13 08:36:50 AM
Ouch. Nice headline subby.
 
2014-05-13 08:37:34 AM
That is true Headline of the Year material.
 
2014-05-13 08:38:01 AM
Ignored the piles of bodies.
 
2014-05-13 08:39:49 AM
Magnificent headline.  Horrible situation.  Any rescue operation is going to be extremely tricky and could turn to shiat in a heartbeat.  I don't envy the people who are trying to solve this, but I am hoping for a positive outcome.
 
2014-05-13 08:40:51 AM
The headline is funny because the Nigerian's are Muslim and the implication is they'll be forced to "marry" (have sex) with their captors.  Right?

Because I get the drone blowing up a Muslim wedding reference, I just don't get how it applies here.
 
2014-05-13 08:41:32 AM
Hm.

/golfclap
 
2014-05-13 08:42:30 AM
I thought we weren't the policemen of the world?
 
2014-05-13 08:44:59 AM

toadist: I thought we weren't the policemen of the world?


Oh we totally aren't, until something happens that the public doesn't like and then it's OMFG why aren't we doing something!
 
2014-05-13 08:46:19 AM
Oooh. Wow. That was a dandy...
 
2014-05-13 08:46:35 AM
These guys are so farking dead.  They just keep digging their own graves.
 
2014-05-13 08:47:44 AM
ObamaDrones
 
2014-05-13 08:50:08 AM

toadist: I thought we weren't the policemen of the world?


If we don't do it, Putin will.

/and as Crimea is finding out, he does it very wrong indeed
 
2014-05-13 08:50:37 AM
Are they still having genocide in the Congo on a daily basis that we don't give a shiat about?  Why do we care about this?
 
2014-05-13 08:51:17 AM
I larfed.

Hey subby, drones don't have seats, so I guess we're just gonna have to climb on the thing and ride it to Hell.
 
2014-05-13 08:52:14 AM
I support this action nut I'm pretty sure Fark progressive types would be going batshiat crazy if their boy weren't in office.
 
2014-05-13 08:52:52 AM

debug: Are they still having genocide in the Congo on a daily basis that we don't give a shiat about?  Why do we care about this?


Because Michelle had a sad.
 
2014-05-13 08:53:16 AM
Epic cringe laugh Subby. +1
 
2014-05-13 08:53:55 AM
Action nut...Freudian or typo...hmmm.
 
2014-05-13 08:54:03 AM

debug: Are they still having genocide in the Congo on a daily basis that we don't give a shiat about?  Why do we care about this?


Central African Republic.
 
2014-05-13 08:55:10 AM

lennavan: The headline is funny because the Nigerian's are Muslim and the implication is they'll be forced to "marry" (have sex) with their captors.  Right?

Because I get the drone blowing up a Muslim wedding reference, I just don't get how it applies here.


Boko Haram is more formally called "Congregation of the People of Tradition for Proselytism and Jihad".  It is a militant Islamic fundamentalist group.

The girls are going to be sold into sexual slavery, according to the leader of Boko Haram.

Make sense now?
 
2014-05-13 08:55:33 AM

Ring of Fire: debug: Are they still having genocide in the Congo on a daily basis that we don't give a shiat about?  Why do we care about this?

Central African Republic.


Very difficult to put out a CAR on fire.
 
2014-05-13 08:56:44 AM
And I thought hash tag diplomacy was working. Who knew taking a picture of yourself holding a sign wouldn't work on a group capable of kidnapping 200 girls.
 
2014-05-13 08:57:04 AM

Friction8r: I support this action nut I'm pretty sure Fark progressive types would be going batshiat crazy if their boy weren't in office.


Why on earth would you possibly think that's the case?  It's one of the precise few situations- protection of human rights - where progressives regularly argue for action.
 
2014-05-13 08:57:33 AM

pag1107: toadist: I thought we weren't the policemen of the world?

Oh we totally aren't, until something happens that the public doesn't like and then it's OMFG why aren't we doing something!


it's the Parker Doctrine - with great power comes greats responsibility.

Snark aside, we have the largest and most capable military in the world.  We should either use it for good or reduce it. Our schizophrenia over this prevents us from doing either wisely.
 
2014-05-13 08:58:07 AM

abfalter: These guys are so farking dead.  They just keep digging their own graves.


If it is like other drone strikes, a few of the girls will die too.
 
2014-05-13 08:59:46 AM
Excellent work, subby.
 
2014-05-13 08:59:57 AM

unyon: Friction8r: I support this action nut I'm pretty sure Fark progressive types would be going batshiat crazy if their boy weren't in office.

Why on earth would you possibly think that's the case?  It's one of the precise few situations- protection of human rights - where progressives regularly argue for action.


Next time a conservative gets into office and actually kills a terrorist we'll let you know.  Don't hold your breath.
 
2014-05-13 09:01:28 AM

unyon: Friction8r: I support this action nut I'm pretty sure Fark progressive types would be going batshiat crazy if their boy weren't in office.

Why on earth would you possibly think that's the case?  It's one of the precise few situations- protection of human rights - where progressives regularly argue for action.


Human rights... you mean like protesting the campus airing of a documentary on female genital mutilation on campus. Liberals are not regularly arguing against abuses on women in the muslim world. See Brandeis and other protests against airing the documentary. This is one area progressives really cant argue.
 
2014-05-13 09:03:15 AM

debug: Are they still having genocide in the Congo on a daily basis that we don't give a shiat about?  Why do we care about this?


That have oil, dumba$$
 
2014-05-13 09:03:45 AM
dude, nice headline. wowza.
 
2014-05-13 09:04:35 AM
I snerted.  Nice work subby.
 
2014-05-13 09:05:08 AM
We need a cops theme for the drone
 
2014-05-13 09:06:16 AM

unyon: Friction8r: I support this action nut I'm pretty sure Fark progressive types would be going batshiat crazy if their boy weren't in office.

Why on earth would you possibly think that's the case?  It's one of the precise few situations- protection of human rights - where progressives regularly argue for action.


Too many years of seeing other presidents taking action to preserve human rights in other countries and seeing progressives lose their freaking minds over it. Also, drones are handy. I'm glad we spend so much on the military to get such cool technology.
 
2014-05-13 09:08:12 AM
HOTY Candidate fo sho!
 
2014-05-13 09:10:49 AM
They do send combat troops every now and then to Africa when bad guys hit the news.

Don't know if it does any good.   The same kind of bad stories pop up each year.

http://www.africanglobe.net/africa/joseph-kony-dressed-africas-bin-l ad ed/

2011 it was Joe Kony.   Now Boko Haram.
 
2014-05-13 09:11:47 AM

lilbordr: HOTY Candidate fo sho!


I think that unless Macauley Culkin kidnaps Miley Cyrus in order to impregnate her in his Fortress of Doom that voting can closed now. This headline has it locked up.
 
2014-05-13 09:12:23 AM

Friction8r: unyon: Friction8r: I support this action nut I'm pretty sure Fark progressive types would be going batshiat crazy if their boy weren't in office.

Why on earth would you possibly think that's the case?  It's one of the precise few situations- protection of human rights - where progressives regularly argue for action.

Too many years of seeing other presidents taking action to preserve human rights in other countries and seeing progressives lose their freaking minds over it. Also, drones are handy. I'm glad we spend so much on the military to get such cool technology.


Is the word "progressives" a new slang for liberals and left-wingers?  Cause it is quite a compliment, really.

You should be wary when your president says they want to take military action to preserve human rights in other countries.  Vietnam was originally a "human rights" issue, we just went in to "protect" them.  And then we bombed the ever loving shiat out of them.  Same with Iraq.  Hell, thats what Putin keeps saying about Crimea, that he will use military action to protect the human rights of Crimeans.

Part of the problem with military spending is that not all of it goes to R&D new technologies that could be used in the civilian sector.  Most of it goes to buy more copies of existing technology.  Like tanks.  Nobody uses, needs, or wants main battle tanks any more, but we keep pouring money into them to keep people working in factories and keep the factory owners paying taxes.
 
2014-05-13 09:14:57 AM
Well done Smitty! Well done!
 
2014-05-13 09:15:17 AM

nekom: Magnificent headline.  Horrible situation.  Any rescue operation is going to be extremely tricky and could turn to shiat in a heartbeat.  I don't envy the people who are trying to solve this, but I am hoping for a positive outcome.


It's got to be like defusing a bomb with a pair of tweezers while riding a very bumpy roller coaster.
Not a lot of fun, but if you can do it then you're a hero.
 
2014-05-13 09:15:41 AM

JNowe: debug: Are they still having genocide in the Congo on a daily basis that we don't give a shiat about?  Why do we care about this?

Because Michelle had a sad.


This. Where was Michelle in Feb when they burned alive nearly 100 schoolboys?
 
2014-05-13 09:16:17 AM

lennavan: The headline is funny because the Nigerian's are Muslim and the implication is they'll be forced to "marry" (have sex) with their captors.  Right?

Because I get the drone blowing up a Muslim wedding reference, I just don't get how it applies here.


The kidnappers are crazy radical muslim terrorists who think forcibly marrying off young girls is ok, and they kinda just kidnapped a couple hundred of them.  Chances are they will probably "marry" a few of them.  How does that not apply?
 
2014-05-13 09:16:25 AM

Friction8r: oo many years of seeing other presidents taking action to preserve human rights in other countries and seeing progressives lose their freaking minds over it.


Sometime today, there will be an Iraqi kid who will make the mistake of kicking a remnant unexploded bomblet from a cluster bomb and lose a leg.  I'll make sure to remind him to thank you for that freedom bomblet.
 
2014-05-13 09:17:12 AM
This whole thing is a joke (a very bad one).  The girls have probably been split up and I'd bet more than a few have already been sold or killed.

There is something like 26,000 square kilometers of jungle where they could be - that is if they're even still in Nigeria.

They may very well be in Chad or Niger.

It would be great if we - or anyone - could locate and rescue them, but any such mission is likely to end in a massacre of not only terrorists, but the schoolgirls as well.
 
2014-05-13 09:17:32 AM
Just look for the stink lines.
 
2014-05-13 09:19:53 AM

brimed03: Ouch. Nice headline subby.


angryjd: That is true Headline of the Year material.

 
2014-05-13 09:20:20 AM
I'm issuing a fatwa on Abubakar Shekau. There's a month of Total Fark for the person that brings me his head.
 
2014-05-13 09:22:53 AM
Bravo, subby
 
2014-05-13 09:23:39 AM
Is Niger pleased?
 
2014-05-13 09:24:21 AM

Egoy3k: unyon: Friction8r: I support this action nut I'm pretty sure Fark progressive types would be going batshiat crazy if their boy weren't in office.

Why on earth would you possibly think that's the case?  It's one of the precise few situations- protection of human rights - where progressives regularly argue for action.

Next time a conservative gets into office and actually kills a terrorist we'll let you know.  Don't hold your breath.


Well, they might not kill any terrorists, but they'll hire 1,000 more TSA agents. We'll be safer and it will increase employment. Win-win.
 
2014-05-13 09:24:51 AM

unyon: Friction8r: oo many years of seeing other presidents taking action to preserve human rights in other countries and seeing progressives lose their freaking minds over it.

Sometime today, there will be an Iraqi kid who will make the mistake of kicking a remnant unexploded bomblet from a cluster bomb and lose a leg.  I'll make sure to remind him to thank you for that freedom bomblet.


That's thoughtful of you. While you're at it, remind him that his former leader gassed, tortured, starved, falsely imprisoned and bullied his own citizens for decades while building palaces for himself.
 
2014-05-13 09:25:01 AM

moeburn: Friction8r: unyon: Friction8r: I support this action nut I'm pretty sure Fark progressive types would be going batshiat crazy if their boy weren't in office.

Why on earth would you possibly think that's the case?  It's one of the precise few situations- protection of human rights - where progressives regularly argue for action.

Too many years of seeing other presidents taking action to preserve human rights in other countries and seeing progressives lose their freaking minds over it. Also, drones are handy. I'm glad we spend so much on the military to get such cool technology.

Is the word "progressives" a new slang for liberals and left-wingers?  Cause it is quite a compliment, really.

You should be wary when your president says they want to take military action to preserve human rights in other countries.  Vietnam was originally a "human rights" issue, we just went in to "protect" them.  And then we bombed the ever loving shiat out of them.  Same with Iraq.  Hell, thats what Putin keeps saying about Crimea, that he will use military action to protect the human rights of Crimeans.

Part of the problem with military spending is that not all of it goes to R&D new technologies that could be used in the civilian sector.  Most of it goes to buy more copies of existing technology.  Like tanks.  Nobody uses, needs, or wants main battle tanks any more, but we keep pouring money into them to keep people working in factories and keep the factory owners paying taxes.


You really think the owners of the tank factories pay even one dime in taxes?

(Corporate) Welfare doesn't count as taxable income, you know.
 
2014-05-13 09:29:40 AM
One of the things the Aircraft is looking for is cell phone signals, and with that many teenage girls, you would think one of them would have a cell phone.

/OMG LOL
 
2014-05-13 09:32:06 AM
there was an awareness thing about this on facebooked
I hit 'like'
and I know someone who prayed for this to be over

that'll take care of it
 
2014-05-13 09:32:52 AM

MyRandomName: abfalter: These guys are so farking dead.  They just keep digging their own graves.

If it is like other drone strikes, a few of the girls will die too.


Johnathan is okay with this. Boko Haram offered to return the girls in exchange for freedom of their own terrorists, and the Nigerian government politely told them to go fark themselves.

It's a horrible thing and if it were my kid in there I'd be in agony over it, but it's also totally the right decision for the government to make.
 
2014-05-13 09:33:03 AM
Need this guy...

content.internetvideoarchive.com

Lets turn it around...
 
2014-05-13 09:37:02 AM

natas6.0: there was an awareness thing about this on facebooked
I hit 'like'
and I know someone who prayed for this to be over

that'll take care of it


Did you take a selfie with a handwritten note and post it to twitter AND Facebook? If not, how can you just sit there?
 
2014-05-13 09:39:59 AM

Friction8r: unyon: Friction8r: oo many years of seeing other presidents taking action to preserve human rights in other countries and seeing progressives lose their freaking minds over it.

Sometime today, there will be an Iraqi kid who will make the mistake of kicking a remnant unexploded bomblet from a cluster bomb and lose a leg.  I'll make sure to remind him to thank you for that freedom bomblet.

That's thoughtful of you. While you're at it, remind him that his former leader gassed, tortured, starved, falsely imprisoned and bullied his own citizens that were in open rebellion against his country as well as Turkey in order to form Greater Kurdistan for decades while building palaces for himself.


/FTFY
 
2014-05-13 09:42:45 AM
+1 on the headline subby.
 
2014-05-13 09:46:26 AM
It's the smell, isn't it?
 
2014-05-13 09:49:57 AM
Is it bad that when I first saw the headline the last word was cut off and I still thought it was a pretty good headline?
 
2014-05-13 09:52:48 AM

MyRandomName: And I thought hash tag diplomacy was working. Who knew taking a picture of yourself holding a sign wouldn't work on a group capable of kidnapping 200 girls.



i112.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-13 09:54:53 AM
I know that a lot of folks are taking this opportunity to make swipes at OTHER policies, and reduce the issue as tangential to important things, like Benghazi or Bridgegate or head trauma or even the mess that is the Congo--which I'd welcome their insight on what anyone should do about that particular mess, with the influx of Chinese investment that sort of frames part of the issue in a nutshell--and trivialize the awareness campaign that has taken months to get rolling, and see effort not just on the part of the Nigerian government that sort of wanted to ignore the whole damn thing, but at the heart of all that deflection comes the important part of the issue: girls were taken because they wanted an education, and even their own damn people didn't see the value of action. What kind of dead inside, cold hearted asshat sees something like this, and says to himself, "Hey, let's make fun of the trafficking of girls, because that's always funny." Or rather, "let's make fun of folks becoming aware of some absolutely horrendous sh*t going on, and calling folks to action by shaming them into it."

Yeah. It's not going to be easy, the trail is fair cold, because the Nigerians themselves didn't want to make a big deal about this, which says something about the whole mess right there, but with attention on this, that puts pressure now on a lot of folks to see something done. You know, like the pressure exerted by folks who organize because they think that millionaires pay too much in taxes already. You know, like folks who want to investigate the deaths of four Americans at the hands of Islamic extremists--while ignoring the numbers of deaths at OTHER incidents, because it was on the wrong guy's watch. Public awareness pushes governments to action. And the poo pooing of campaign to make folks aware, that pretty much sh*ts on ANY actions, and making folks aware, and moving towards putting some steel jacketed greetings on these sh*theads who desperately deserve it, while shaming their own unresponsive and uncaring government, and it only shows the character of the folks who are denigrating the public and action in general...
 
2014-05-13 09:56:15 AM

Nemo's Brother: This. Where was Michelle in Feb when they burned alive nearly 100 schoolboys?


You can rescue the kidnapped. But you can't resurrect the dead.
 
2014-05-13 09:59:16 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Friction8r: unyon: Friction8r: oo many years of seeing other presidents taking action to preserve human rights in other countries and seeing progressives lose their freaking minds over it.

Sometime today, there will be an Iraqi kid who will make the mistake of kicking a remnant unexploded bomblet from a cluster bomb and lose a leg.  I'll make sure to remind him to thank you for that freedom bomblet.

That's thoughtful of you. While you're at it, remind him that his former leader gassed, tortured, starved, falsely imprisoned and bullied his own citizens that were in open rebellion against his country as well as Turkey in order to form Greater Kurdistan for decades while building palaces for himself.

/FTFY


Not sure how many cluster bombs there are lying around in Kurdish areas. Saddam never had the best control of that area, and once the army moved south to fight the Americans, the Kurds more or less ran things on their own. The bulk of the US fighting was in Sunni/shiate contested areas in southeastern Iraq.
 
2014-05-13 10:01:31 AM
I don't have Facebook or twitter,  so can I just put a magnet ribbon on the back of my car ?

That should do it.
 
2014-05-13 10:02:16 AM

gfid: This whole thing is a joke (a very bad one).  The girls have probably been split up and I'd bet more than a few have already been sold or killed.

There is something like 26,000 square kilometers of jungle where they could be - that is if they're even still in Nigeria.

They may very well be in Chad or Niger.

It would be great if we - or anyone - could locate and rescue them, but any such mission is likely to end in a massacre of not only terrorists, but the schoolgirls as well.


You point out some real problems.  Your scenario of any rescue mission ending badly is not only likely but nearly unavoidable.  It is impossible to negotiate with someone for whom death is a promotion.

I cannot foresee a scenario where this ends well, well being defined as terrorist captured or killed and all the girls rescued.  I can't even foresee a scenario where a majority of the girls get out of this alive.  Can you?
 
2014-05-13 10:03:18 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Friction8r: unyon: Friction8r: oo many years of seeing other presidents taking action to preserve human rights in other countries and seeing progressives lose their freaking minds over it.

Sometime today, there will be an Iraqi kid who will make the mistake of kicking a remnant unexploded bomblet from a cluster bomb and lose a leg.  I'll make sure to remind him to thank you for that freedom bomblet.

That's thoughtful of you. While you're at it, remind him that his former leader gassed, tortured, starved, falsely imprisoned and bullied his own citizens that were in open rebellion against his country as well as Turkey in order to form Greater Kurdistan for decades while building palaces for himself.

/FTFY


Awww cute liberal revisionist history. Yet liberals are always begging the UN to resolve these things while forgetting the 14 UN resolutions the dirtbag violated while trying to bluff the world. Oh and he never attacked Kuwait either. It was all just teh evil Republicans wanting to blow stuff up. How cutesy! Liberals are their own version of Baghdad Bob.
 
2014-05-13 10:04:44 AM

hubiestubert: Public awareness pushes governments to action. And the poo pooing of campaign to make folks aware, that pretty much sh*ts on ANY actions, and making folks aware,


I poo pooed the First Lady's photo and was told "at least she is doing something." Then I suggested that she could have done more, like make a speech or write an article to go along with the photo to highlight the big issues in Nigeria, and was told that the First Lady isnt supposed to speak to foreign policy issues.

My question was (in a slow thread so I never got an answer) why is it okay for the First Lady to post a picture related to human rights but not start a dialog about it? Is it now okay for the First Lady to speak to human rights issues abroad as long as it is limited to a photo?

Probably not the point you are making but I have been thinking about it recently.
 
2014-05-13 10:11:47 AM

Mr. Right: gfid: This whole thing is a joke (a very bad one).  The girls have probably been split up and I'd bet more than a few have already been sold or killed.

There is something like 26,000 square kilometers of jungle where they could be - that is if they're even still in Nigeria.

They may very well be in Chad or Niger.

It would be great if we - or anyone - could locate and rescue them, but any such mission is likely to end in a massacre of not only terrorists, but the schoolgirls as well.

You point out some real problems.  Your scenario of any rescue mission ending badly is not only likely but nearly unavoidable.  It is impossible to negotiate with someone for whom death is a promotion.

I cannot foresee a scenario where this ends well, well being defined as terrorist captured or killed and all the girls rescued.  I can't even foresee a scenario where a majority of the girls get out of this alive.  Can you?


I sure as hell don't. They'll be "martyred" the moment the first terrorist scouts even hear a helicopter. Doesn't stop the government from capturing these guys and setting them on fire anyway.
 
2014-05-13 10:15:07 AM

Friction8r: tinfoil-hat maggie: Friction8r: unyon: Friction8r: oo many years of seeing other presidents taking action to preserve human rights in other countries and seeing progressives lose their freaking minds over it.

Sometime today, there will be an Iraqi kid who will make the mistake of kicking a remnant unexploded bomblet from a cluster bomb and lose a leg.  I'll make sure to remind him to thank you for that freedom bomblet.

That's thoughtful of you. While you're at it, remind him that his former leader gassed, tortured, starved, falsely imprisoned and bullied his own citizens that were in open rebellion against his country as well as Turkey in order to form Greater Kurdistan for decades while building palaces for himself.

/FTFY

Awww cute liberal revisionist history. Yet liberals are always begging the UN to resolve these things while forgetting the 14 UN resolutions the dirtbag violated while trying to bluff the world. Oh and he never attacked Kuwait either. It was all just teh evil Republicans wanting to blow stuff up. How cutesy! Liberals are their own version of Baghdad Bob.


LoL if Saddam hadn't stopped the Iran-Iraq war we would still be backing him. Also really you don't know about the Kurds? lulz liberal revisionism, hehehehe..
 
2014-05-13 10:18:58 AM

Gunny Highway: hubiestubert: Public awareness pushes governments to action. And the poo pooing of campaign to make folks aware, that pretty much sh*ts on ANY actions, and making folks aware,

I poo pooed the First Lady's photo and was told "at least she is doing something." Then I suggested that she could have done more, like make a speech or write an article to go along with the photo to highlight the big issues in Nigeria, and was told that the First Lady isnt supposed to speak to foreign policy issues.

My question was (in a slow thread so I never got an answer) why is it okay for the First Lady to post a picture related to human rights but not start a dialog about it? Is it now okay for the First Lady to speak to human rights issues abroad as long as it is limited to a photo?

Probably not the point you are making but I have been thinking about it recently.


My take is that the First Lady didn't make a speech or do MOAR because that would turn the spotlight away from the actual issue: which is to say, the girls. The mere fact that the First Lady joined an international campaign to raise awareness has taken some of the spotlight away, because there are folks in the US who see anything she does as a Sign of Creeping Tyranny--which is exactly what has happened in this case, because we have an entrenched body of folks whose entire job is to spin ANY action by the President and anyone associated with him as THE WORST THING EVAR. Subsuming her voice to a throng of folks united across the world to bring this issue to the fore, that is in itself a fairly bold statement. Not pontificating, but a simple message: bring the girls home. It doesn't need elaboration. Do the right gottverdammt thing. Simplicity, in this case, speaks far more deeply. And it shows a bankruptcy of spirit when folks try to turn the spotlight away from the real issue: girls kidnapped by asshats for sale. Nothing more. Nothing less.
 
2014-05-13 10:23:37 AM

Friction8r: tinfoil-hat maggie: Friction8r: unyon: Friction8r: oo many years of seeing other presidents taking action to preserve human rights in other countries and seeing progressives lose their freaking minds over it.

Sometime today, there will be an Iraqi kid who will make the mistake of kicking a remnant unexploded bomblet from a cluster bomb and lose a leg.  I'll make sure to remind him to thank you for that freedom bomblet.

That's thoughtful of you. While you're at it, remind him that his former leader gassed, tortured, starved, falsely imprisoned and bullied his own citizens that were in open rebellion against his country as well as Turkey in order to form Greater Kurdistan for decades while building palaces for himself.

/FTFY

Awww cute liberal revisionist history. Yet liberals are always begging the UN to resolve these things while forgetting the 14 UN resolutions the dirtbag violated while trying to bluff the world. Oh and he never attacked Kuwait either. It was all just teh evil Republicans wanting to blow stuff up. How cutesy! Liberals are their own version of Baghdad Bob.


Liberals get cognitive dissonance from the fact that the torture, starvation, children's prisons, etc existed BEFORE the Kurd Rebellion, and only ended in places that successfully rebelled against Saddam. Violence can never be allowed to solve problems, so MinTru has to rewrite it.

/there was a radio show clip of an Iraqi political defector being interviewed just before Operation Iraqi Freedom
//when asked if he was worried about his family being killed in the war, he pointed out that if the war didn't happen, his family was guaranteed to die at Saddam's hands
///the interviewer immediately went into a shrieking, blubbering, hysterical fit on the air
 
2014-05-13 10:26:55 AM

hubiestubert: Gunny Highway: hubiestubert: Public awareness pushes governments to action. And the poo pooing of campaign to make folks aware, that pretty much sh*ts on ANY actions, and making folks aware,

I poo pooed the First Lady's photo and was told "at least she is doing something." Then I suggested that she could have done more, like make a speech or write an article to go along with the photo to highlight the big issues in Nigeria, and was told that the First Lady isnt supposed to speak to foreign policy issues.

My question was (in a slow thread so I never got an answer) why is it okay for the First Lady to post a picture related to human rights but not start a dialog about it? Is it now okay for the First Lady to speak to human rights issues abroad as long as it is limited to a photo?

Probably not the point you are making but I have been thinking about it recently.

My take is that the First Lady didn't make a speech or do MOAR because that would turn the spotlight away from the actual issue: which is to say, the girls. The mere fact that the First Lady joined an international campaign to raise awareness has taken some of the spotlight away, because there are folks in the US who see anything she does as a Sign of Creeping Tyranny--which is exactly what has happened in this case, because we have an entrenched body of folks whose entire job is to spin ANY action by the President and anyone associated with him as THE WORST THING EVAR. Subsuming her voice to a throng of folks united across the world to bring this issue to the fore, that is in itself a fairly bold statement. Not pontificating, but a simple message: bring the girls home. It doesn't need elaboration. Do the right gottverdammt thing. Simplicity, in this case, speaks far more deeply. And it shows a bankruptcy of spirit when folks try to turn the spotlight away from the real issue: girls kidnapped by asshats for sale. Nothing more. Nothing less.


Is the kidnapping the real issue or the inaction of the Nigerian government, the constant killing and terror tactics of the BH?  Does bringing the girls home do anything to prevent them from being blown up or shot the next day?

And since when is it okay for our leaders (I recognize the First Lady is not elected but she does speak on these issues) shy away from a subject because of the spinmeisters?  Is that where we are?
 
2014-05-13 10:27:50 AM
Well, at least Michelle Obama stepped out of her ivory (ha!) tower to do something about the crisis.  Writing a vague, wishful statement on a piece of paper is how international crises get solved.

And how girls get asked to prom, sometimes.


Stupid FLOTUS.
 
2014-05-13 10:36:55 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Friction8r: tinfoil-hat maggie: Friction8r: unyon: Friction8r: oo many years of seeing other presidents taking action to preserve human rights in other countries and seeing progressives lose their freaking minds over it.

Sometime today, there will be an Iraqi kid who will make the mistake of kicking a remnant unexploded bomblet from a cluster bomb and lose a leg.  I'll make sure to remind him to thank you for that freedom bomblet.

That's thoughtful of you. While you're at it, remind him that his former leader gassed, tortured, starved, falsely imprisoned and bullied his own citizens that were in open rebellion against his country as well as Turkey in order to form Greater Kurdistan for decades while building palaces for himself.

/FTFY

Awww cute liberal revisionist history. Yet liberals are always begging the UN to resolve these things while forgetting the 14 UN resolutions the dirtbag violated while trying to bluff the world. Oh and he never attacked Kuwait either. It was all just teh evil Republicans wanting to blow stuff up. How cutesy! Liberals are their own version of Baghdad Bob.

LoL if Saddam hadn't stopped the Iran-Iraq war we would still be backing him. Also really you don't know about the Kurds? lulz liberal revisionism, hehehehe..


Quite familiar with the Kurds, and the fact he had previously gassed them. Thus, when he popped off about WMDs and ignored the various sanctions, he was hankering for a beatdown. We gave it to him. Of course the nation's of the middle east at will always be at war. It's in their genes.
 
2014-05-13 10:46:15 AM

Gunny Highway: Is the kidnapping the real issue or the inaction of the Nigerian government, the constant killing and terror tactics of the BH?  Does bringing the girls home do anything to prevent them from being blown up or shot the next day?

And since when is it okay for our leaders (I recognize the First Lady is not elected but she does speak on these issues) shy away from a subject because of the spinmeisters?  Is that where we are?


I think that recognizing that there is a larger campaign that goes beyond the US is sort of the thing here. That folks are united on their outrage, that these girls are equal to any of our daughters is the issue. It is that simple.

I recall a case a while back, about the death of a transexual girl who was murdered by a man who spent nearly three days in her home, and then bashed her skull in, and robbed the place. He claimed "gay rage" because when you spend three days boning someone, leaving copious physical evidence, and even taking the time to eat and shower, you're suddenly "surprised" to find out that your flame is a pre-op transexual. The issue was never about "gay rage" or "surprise" or any of the other attempts to paint the case as anything other than the cold blooded murder of a human being, and then taking the time to rob the place before he left. All the rest? Obfuscation away from the cold blooded murder of a human being. A person. The case was cast as a hate crime, and I thought that just muddied the issue. The case was, by itself, more than horrifying enough.

Sometimes, simplicity is far stronger. Girls have been kidnapped, and the asshats are going to sell them, and the justifications that they're trying to use to make it seem "right" in their own heads, that's irrelevant. In this case, I think the message is far stronger without much elaboration. And unity of purpose and unity of message speaks far stronger.

I am a wordy motherf*cker. I generally post in complete paragraphs. The message in this campaign is far stronger than any of the words I've put into this thread already, because it is just that simple. Bring the girls home. They are folks' daughters. They've been kidnapped and they're looking to be sold, and this campaign has done more to shame folks to action, than any of the in depth stories, because of that simplicity of message. Yes, it needs framing of context, but the First Lady isn't in Nigeria. She is adding her voice--and not to mention her position sitting next to the POTUS--to lend an added voice to the throng. That in itself is a message. Far stronger than anything I've put into this thread. That I have had to elaborate for the mouth breathing crowd that wants to denigrate and obfuscate, and minimalize the actual issue, says more about the folks who aren't outraged at the issue of girls being taken. And the Buddhist in me wants to extend compassion to these bruised, battered, and broken souls that can't recognize the real issue, but the bouncer that I was just wants to beat some f*cking heads in...
 
2014-05-13 10:51:40 AM
Your sister gets passed around more than a set of jumper cables at a Mexican funeral Muslim wedding.
 
2014-05-13 11:08:04 AM
+1
 
2014-05-13 11:20:48 AM
All the politics aside, this is probably the most efficient way to help.  Use our intelligence gathering capabilities to find these guys and send in their soldiers in to engage Boko Haram and free the girls.
 
2014-05-13 11:23:42 AM

Pumpernickel bread: All the politics aside, this is probably the most efficient way to help.  Use our intelligence gathering capabilities to find these guys and send in their soldiers in to engage Boko Haram and free the girls.


Their soldiers may not be capable of what's needed.  Sure, they'll be able to kill the terrorists, but will they be able to do so with precision time on target simultaneous entries in a quick enough manner to prevent them from killing the girls?
 
2014-05-13 11:25:46 AM
Psst. PROTIP: Do not invite Muslim terrorists to your wedding.
 
2014-05-13 11:31:36 AM
invite the Poles to your wedding, you will achieve new levels of drunkeness.
 
2014-05-13 12:22:41 PM

wildlifer: invite the Poles to your wedding, you will achieve new levels of drunkeness.


You say that like it is a bad thing.
 
2014-05-13 12:26:19 PM

nekom: Pumpernickel bread: All the politics aside, this is probably the most efficient way to help.  Use our intelligence gathering capabilities to find these guys and send in their soldiers in to engage Boko Haram and free the girls.

Their soldiers may not be capable of what's needed.  Sure, they'll be able to kill the terrorists, but will they be able to do so with precision time on target simultaneous entries in a quick enough manner to prevent them from killing the girls?


That's the thing that worries me.  As much as I should be against it, I think this would be a job for US Special Forces or someone else who's competent, because I really get the feeling that the Nigerians are going to take the Russian approach to this if they're given first crack at it.

/maybe not with tear gas, but there's going to be bodies
//also see: Beslan school disaster
 
2014-05-13 12:31:17 PM
Lets create a hash tag and then argue about who created it first because that will really solve the problem.
 
2014-05-13 12:34:13 PM

moeburn: You should be wary when your president says they want to take military action to preserve human rights in other countries.  Vietnam was originally a "human rights" issue, we just went in to "protect" them.  And then we bombed the ever loving shiat out of them.  Same with Iraq.  Hell, thats what Putin keeps saying about Crimea, that he will use military action to protect the human rights of Crimeans.


I agree that the military is the wrong tool to "keep or enforce peace". Attack dogs do not make good pacifiers.

As a proud prior-serviceman, I've always understood that the U.S. military is the world's largest terrorist organization. You blow up a bus; we'll blow up a city. But we're not policemen, just like policemen are not military.

However, should this "Boko Haram" group cause lasting harm to these girls, leaving us with no way to redeem them, then I am all for military eradication of Boko Haram. To the last adherant. Kill them all. Make an example of them, as a warning to others

/cleansing fire
 
2014-05-13 12:34:21 PM
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2014-05-13 01:34:34 PM
Oooooooof well done on the title, subby.
 
2014-05-13 01:46:26 PM

lennavan: The headline is funny because the Nigerian's are Muslim and the implication is they'll be forced to "marry" (have sex) with their captors. Right?


I'm going to go out on a limb and state that pretty much any time girls are kidnapped prior to their wedding, rape is immanent.
 
2014-05-13 02:08:59 PM
Just stopping to leave a "Good on ya, mate!" to a future HOTY candidate.

The combination of jaded sarcasm, dark humor, situational awareness, and knowledge of "current" events is like a magical little summary of The Internet.
 
2014-05-13 02:15:46 PM

dittybopper: lennavan: The headline is funny because the Nigerian's are Muslim and the implication is they'll be forced to "marry" (have sex) with their captors.  Right?

Because I get the drone blowing up a Muslim wedding reference, I just don't get how it applies here.

Boko Haram is more formally called "Congregation of the People of Tradition for Proselytism and Jihad".  It is a militant Islamic fundamentalist group.

The girls are going to be sold into sexual slavery, according to the leader of Boko Haram.

Make sense now?


You missed the part about sex and marriage.

Also HOT stubby brilliant
 
2014-05-13 02:46:49 PM
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If anyone believes these two should not be wed.
Let him speak now or forev...
 
2014-05-13 03:28:21 PM

angryjd: That is true Headline of the Year material.


seriously brilliant actually....
 
2014-05-13 03:33:52 PM

AntonChigger: lennavan: The headline is funny because the Nigerian's are Muslim and the implication is they'll be forced to "marry" (have sex) with their captors.  Right?

Because I get the drone blowing up a Muslim wedding reference, I just don't get how it applies here.

The kidnappers are crazy radical muslim terrorists who think forcibly marrying off young girls is ok, and they kinda just kidnapped a couple hundred of them.  Chances are they will probably "marry" a few of them.  How does that not apply?


It was an honest question.  I haven't paid much attention to this story, pretty much entirely because I've been busy with work.  Sorry to be Capt. Buzzkill.

dittybopper: Boko Haram is more formally called "Congregation of the People of Tradition for Proselytism and Jihad". It is a militant Islamic fundamentalist group.

The girls are going to be sold into sexual slavery, according to the leader of Boko Haram.

Make sense now?


Actually yes.  Thanks =)
 
2014-05-13 08:39:21 PM

nekom: Magnificent headline.  Horrible situation.  Any rescue operation is going to be extremely tricky and could turn to shiat in a heartbeat.  I don't envy the people who are trying to solve this, but I am hoping for a positive outcome.


We already got a positive outcome. A likely headline of the year.

/window seat please, first class
 
2014-05-13 08:43:28 PM
Best headline today.
 
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