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(RealClear)   Concern rises that holding the trial of the Boston Marathon bomber anywhere near Boston would not result in a fair trial. Lawyers suggest a more neutral location...like perhaps Mars or Outer Mongolia   (realclear.com) divider line 51
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2014-05-13 09:22:25 AM  
... still waiting for the 2 dozen or so fark-tards that bet that the Boston Boming was done by the Tea Party to pay up.

/// not really. Liberals never pay their debts.
 
2014-05-13 10:20:43 AM  
The guy is not "the Boston Marathon Bomber".  He's accused.  Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing in this country, though he was already tried and convicted by the media.
 
2014-05-13 10:51:47 AM  

serpent_sky: The guy is not "the Boston Marathon Bomber".  He's accused.  Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing in this country, though he was already tried and convicted by the media.


Uh huh.
 
2014-05-13 11:10:49 AM  

OnlyM3: ... still waiting for the 2 dozen or so fark-tards that bet that the Boston Boming was done by the Tea Party to pay up.

/// not really. Liberals never pay their debts.


Citation(s) please.
 
2014-05-13 11:59:06 AM  
Hold it in NYC... they hate terrorists and Boston equally, so it will even out.
 
2014-05-13 12:01:24 PM  
Will videos from the spectators be submitted?  That could land the people recording the events in jail on felony charges.

/yeah, somewhat of a troll, sorry...still steaming about the recorded-police-during-arrest thread
//massholes
 
2014-05-13 12:02:45 PM  

serpent_sky: The guy is not "the Boston Marathon Bomber".  He's accused.  Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing in this country, though he was already tried and convicted by the media.


Well, the pictures of him planting the bombs, and the video of him shooting at and throwing pipe bombs at the police certainly don't help his case... but I'm willing to hear his explanation... I think he's probably gonna plead mental defect though, not that he didn't do it.
 
2014-05-13 12:05:06 PM  
Suppose we could bury his ass in some deep dark hole till everyone forgets. But then theres that whole speedy trial thing.
 
2014-05-13 12:06:29 PM  
Well, his client could save everyone such trouble by, you know, pleading gulity.
 
2014-05-13 12:09:35 PM  

OnlyM3: ... still waiting for the 2 dozen or so fark-tards that bet that the Boston Boming was done by the Tea Party to pay up.

/// not really. Liberals never pay their debts.


LIIIIBS! LIBS LIBS LIIIIIIBS!!!!

GAAAAAAAH!

I BET THE LIBERALS DID THIS!
 
2014-05-13 12:12:07 PM  

serpent_sky: The guy is not "the Boston Marathon Bomber".  He's accused.  Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing in this country, though he was already tried and convicted by the media.


The guy in the article is not even the guy accused of being "the Boston Marathon Bomber":
Three college friends of Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokhar Tsarnaev are asking a federal judge to have their cases tried outside of Massachusetts.
Attorneys recently filed change of venue motions for Dias Kadyrbayev, Azamat Tazhayakov and Robel Phillipos...
Kadyrbayev and Tazhayakov... are charged with tampering with evidence for removing Tsarnaev's laptop and a backpack containing fireworks from his college dorm room shortly after last year's fatal bombing. Kadyrbayev also faces conspiracy and obstruction of justice charges. He and Tazhayakov have been held without bail for more than a year.
Phillipos, of Cambridge, is accused of lying to investigators and wants his case to be tried separately. He has been held under house arrest.


And honestly, the charges they're accused of are so incredibly minor in comparison to the bombing that they may be right that they won't receive a fair trial here. I mean, honestly, a charge of "lying to investigators" could be as stupid as someone asking him if he and Tsarnaev were in any classes together and him not remembering that they had attended a lecture together once.
 
2014-05-13 12:12:45 PM  

Rwa2play: Well, his client could save everyone such trouble by, you know, pleading gulity.


Feds aren't taking the death penalty off the table...not that they should. This would be one of those times that capital punishment would be justified in the eyes of some Farkers who disagree with the application of the punishment and not the punishment itself...

He did it. It being terrorism. If he was in Russia (he's a Chechen, so go with me on this) and pulled that shiat, he'd wish he was executed. This is where they send the worst prisoners. Some of them are just called "maniacs"

https://www.google.co.th/search?q=black+dolphin+prison&ie=UTF-8&oe=UT F -8&hl=en&client=safari&gws_rd=cr&ei=NERyU7P5IYiF8gWf_YLgCQ
 
2014-05-13 12:13:26 PM  
I'm still pissed that they are letting the federal government prosecute him.  Maybe it was inevitable that it would of been moved to the Feds, but I would of preferred that the state had put up some sort of a stink and said that it happened here, we have adequate laws to prosecute him here, buzz off Feds.

/we don't have the death penalty I guess...
 
2014-05-13 12:19:23 PM  
Haha like the Feds care about a fair trial, they prefer summary execution.
 
2014-05-13 12:19:38 PM  

Slam Bradley: I'm still pissed that they are letting the federal government prosecute him.  Maybe it was inevitable that it would of been moved to the Feds, but I would of preferred that the state had put up some sort of a stink and said that it happened here, we have adequate laws to prosecute him here, buzz off Feds.

/we don't have the death penalty I guess...


Nothing would stop the state from prosecuting him too. The whole dual sovereign doctrine gets them around double jeopardy. Just...what would be the point?
 
2014-05-13 12:19:40 PM  
www.fototime.com

Seems like a good place for a trial
 
2014-05-13 12:22:31 PM  

Slam Bradley: I'm still pissed that they are letting the federal government prosecute him.  Maybe it was inevitable that it would of been moved to the Feds, but I would of preferred that the state had put up some sort of a stink and said that it happened here, we have adequate laws to prosecute him here, buzz off Feds.

/we don't have the death penalty I guess...


Say "of" ONE more time. I dare you. I double-dare you motherfocker.
 
2014-05-13 12:23:24 PM  

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Slam Bradley: I'm still pissed that they are letting the federal government prosecute him.  Maybe it was inevitable that it would of been moved to the Feds, but I would of preferred that the state had put up some sort of a stink and said that it happened here, we have adequate laws to prosecute him here, buzz off Feds.

/we don't have the death penalty I guess...

Nothing would stop the state from prosecuting him too. The whole dual sovereign doctrine gets them around double jeopardy. Just...what would be the point?


The feds can hang him and then he can serve out his sentence under a Massachusetts prison basketball court.
 
2014-05-13 12:25:59 PM  

Slam Bradley: I'm still pissed that they are letting the federal government prosecute him.


For legal reasons, the audio transcripts had to be something people could listen to and understand.
 
2014-05-13 12:31:25 PM  
Uh subby? You accidentally all the defendants.

/this is about his friends
//not him
 
2014-05-13 12:37:45 PM  

Killroy69: Slam Bradley: I'm still pissed that they are letting the federal government prosecute him.  Maybe it was inevitable that it would of been moved to the Feds, but I would of preferred that the state had put up some sort of a stink and said that it happened here, we have adequate laws to prosecute him here, buzz off Feds.

/we don't have the death penalty I guess...

Say "of" ONE more time. I dare you. I double-dare you motherfocker.


"of"?
 
2014-05-13 12:38:56 PM  
So the 3 friends - all of whom are charged with relatively minor offenses - are concerned that a Bostonian jury will hang them by proxy since they're tenuously connected to the accused Boston Bomber?
Yeah, I can't say I blame them.
 
2014-05-13 12:50:47 PM  
Crime happened in Boston, he's from Chechnya, so it would be biased in either of those places. Clearly there must be a middle neutral ground.

i.imgur.com

I believe that the Shetland Islands are almost exactly equidistant.

They were once Viking, so have the trial there and if guilty the sentence can be blood eagle!
 
2014-05-13 12:52:07 PM  

megarian: OnlyM3: ... still waiting for the 2 dozen or so fark-tards that bet that the Boston Boming was done by the Tea Party to pay up.

/// not really. Liberals never pay their debts.

LIIIIBS! LIBS LIBS LIIIIIIBS!!!!

GAAAAAAAH!

I BET THE LIBERALS DID THIS!


Actually there were some extreme farktard bigots in the original threads trying to desperately blame this on either militant Christians and/or teatards.
 
2014-05-13 12:54:10 PM  

ShadowKamui: megarian: OnlyM3: ... still waiting for the 2 dozen or so fark-tards that bet that the Boston Boming was done by the Tea Party to pay up.

/// not really. Liberals never pay their debts.

LIIIIBS! LIBS LIBS LIIIIIIBS!!!!

GAAAAAAAH!

I BET THE LIBERALS DID THIS!

Actually there were some extreme farktard bigots in the original threads trying to desperately blame this on either militant Christians and/or teatards.


There always are, but as many as two dozen? I find that hard to believe.
 
2014-05-13 01:02:24 PM  

KingKauff: Killroy69: Slam Bradley: I'm still pissed that they are letting the federal government prosecute him.  Maybe it was inevitable that it would of been moved to the Feds, but I would of preferred that the state had put up some sort of a stink and said that it happened here, we have adequate laws to prosecute him here, buzz off Feds.

/we don't have the death penalty I guess...

Say "of" ONE more time. I dare you. I double-dare you motherfocker.

"of"?


would have = would've
 
2014-05-13 01:07:11 PM  

Slaxl: Actually there were some extreme farktard bigots in the original threads trying to desperately blame this on either militant Christians and/or teatards.

There always are, but as many as two dozen? I find that hard to believe.


I don't know if it was desperately trying to blame so much as theorizing about something that nobody knew about.

It stood as much of a chance of being either of them as anyone else at that point.

/I, personally, don't believe I had a theory that day but I do remember the thread.  Far more were screaming Islam/Muslim than Tea Party/Christians, at least be honest.
 
2014-05-13 01:21:36 PM  

serpent_sky: The guy is not "the Boston Marathon Bomber".  He's accused.  Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing in this country, though he was already tried and convicted by the media.


This is so true.
Yes.  He's guilty.  And yes, his defense is going to come up with the most absurd things they can find, to try to prove him innocent.

But here's the thing.  That's the way is HAS TO BE.
He has to have a fair trial.  And not just for the obvious reasons, like the consitution, bla bla bla.  But because it needs to be proven BEYOND DOUBT that he actually comitted the crime.  This means that every plausable scrap of evidence must be brought to light, no matter how silly or remote it seems to the outsiders.  Then, and only then, can he be found guilty.  And it will have been shown conclusively to be so.
 
2014-05-13 01:37:12 PM  

Rwa2play: Well, his client could save everyone such trouble by, you know, pleading gulity.


..and then eating a bullet.
 
2014-05-13 01:56:45 PM  

durbnpoisn: serpent_sky: The guy is not "the Boston Marathon Bomber".  He's accused.  Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing in this country, though he was already tried and convicted by the media.

This is so true.
Yes.  He's guilty.  And yes, his defense is going to come up with the most absurd things they can find, to try to prove him innocent.

But here's the thing.  That's the way is HAS TO BE.
He has to have a fair trial.  And not just for the obvious reasons, like the consitution, bla bla bla.  But because it needs to be proven BEYOND DOUBT that he actually comitted the crime.  This means that every plausable scrap of evidence must be brought to light, no matter how silly or remote it seems to the outsiders.  Then, and only then, can he be found guilty.  And it will have been shown conclusively to be so.


And we're lucky it's that way.  Because it works for ALL OF US to be innocent until proven guilty. While everyone is up in arms about Tsarnaev getting a fair trial, as is his right in America, they lose it in threads on Amanda Knox and how screwed up Italian courts are.
 
2014-05-13 01:59:09 PM  

Slaxl: ShadowKamui: megarian: OnlyM3: ... still waiting for the 2 dozen or so fark-tards that bet that the Boston Boming was done by the Tea Party to pay up.

/// not really. Liberals never pay their debts.

LIIIIBS! LIBS LIBS LIIIIIIBS!!!!

GAAAAAAAH!

I BET THE LIBERALS DID THIS!

Actually there were some extreme farktard bigots in the original threads trying to desperately blame this on either militant Christians and/or teatards.

There always are, but as many as two dozen? I find that hard to believe.


Probably more like 2 or 3 real humans and a few fake accounts between them to make their bigoted/racist circle jerk appear bigger
 
2014-05-13 02:07:31 PM  
It's a valid concern if the US walks the talk.
 
2014-05-13 02:28:21 PM  

OnlyM3: ... still waiting for the 2 dozen or so fark-tards that bet that the Boston Boming was done by the Tea Party to pay up.

/// not really. Liberals never pay their debts.


To be fair, people from Tsarnaev's part of the world do drink an awful lot of tea.
 
2014-05-13 02:32:28 PM  
Ok, have it in Texas.
 
2014-05-13 02:34:24 PM  
I think the most important thing we should worry about is what does Nancy Grace think about this?
 
2014-05-13 02:35:04 PM  
They need to come off making this a death penalty case. California spends something like $3 million on every death penalty defendant from start to finish, and I'm sure it's even MORE expensive in federal courts and prisons. You give up the moral high ground on a case with international political dimensions, enabling terrorist apologists to say, "they're killers, too." Just stupid. Life-with-out-parole in Supermax generally makes people go insane from isolation, so it's not like he'd be getting off easy.
 
2014-05-13 02:41:51 PM  

durbnpoisn: He has to have a fair trial. And not just for the obvious reasons, like the consitution, bla bla bla. But because it needs to be proven BEYOND DOUBT that he actually comitted the crime. This means that every plausable scrap of evidence must be brought to light, no matter how silly or remote it seems to the outsiders. Then, and only then, can he be found guilty. And it will have been shown conclusively to be so.


and I wouldn't be shocked if they try to use the BPD and Boston's FBI branch being generally shady to discredit any/all evidence that they discovered, and that may actually work in MA.

/still curious what actually happened in Florida with the friend that the state police/FBI shot in his house

ShadowKamui: Actually there were some extreme farktard bigots in the original threads trying to desperately blame this on either militant Christians and/or teatards.


If I recall, there were also the usual Tea Party whining in the run up to that day (since it was tax day) so it wouldn't have been shocking that it was someone protesting the concept of taxes. Hoping that it was them? No, just wouldn't be shocked if it was. There's a difference.
 
2014-05-13 02:48:37 PM  

somedude210: If I recall, there were also the usual Tea Party whining in the run up to that day (since it was tax day) so it wouldn't have been shocking that it was someone protesting the concept of taxes. Hoping that it was them? No, just wouldn't be shocked if it was. There's a difference.


Also, remember that day is a holiday in MA only - "Patriot Day" - "patriot" being a word tea partiers love.
 
2014-05-13 02:50:25 PM  

somedude210: /still curious what actually happened in Florida with the friend that the state police/FBI shot in his house


Me too... there are 10,000 shady inconsistencies in this case.

And I am rarely one for conspiracy theories, but I don't buy most of this.
 
2014-05-13 03:03:56 PM  

serpent_sky: somedude210: If I recall, there were also the usual Tea Party whining in the run up to that day (since it was tax day) so it wouldn't have been shocking that it was someone protesting the concept of taxes. Hoping that it was them? No, just wouldn't be shocked if it was. There's a difference.

Also, remember that day is a holiday in MA only - "Patriot Day" - "patriot" being a word tea partiers love.


It's not just tax day that's popular with homicidal wing nuts. There's April 15 for the IRS haters. There's April 19 (anniversary of Lexington and Concord and the Oklahoma City bombing) for tree-of-liberty waterers. And there's April 20 for Der Fuehrer's birthday and the Columbine massacre, for FPS Nazis. So little wonder that any terrorist attack around those dates leads people to suspect dipshiats whose radios are permanently tuned to Glenn Beck and Alex Jones.
 
2014-05-13 03:04:09 PM  

serpent_sky: somedude210: If I recall, there were also the usual Tea Party whining in the run up to that day (since it was tax day) so it wouldn't have been shocking that it was someone protesting the concept of taxes. Hoping that it was them? No, just wouldn't be shocked if it was. There's a difference.

Also, remember that day is a holiday in MA only - "Patriot Day" - "patriot" being a word tea partiers love.


Or remember the fact that none of them have ever gone all pipe bomby before, unlike Muslim terrorist or even white power groups

But then that would require actual thought and no longer conform to massive bigotry and irrational fear of a bunch fools w/ tea packets on their hats
 
2014-05-13 03:07:48 PM  

ShadowKamui: serpent_sky: somedude210: If I recall, there were also the usual Tea Party whining in the run up to that day (since it was tax day) so it wouldn't have been shocking that it was someone protesting the concept of taxes. Hoping that it was them? No, just wouldn't be shocked if it was. There's a difference.

Also, remember that day is a holiday in MA only - "Patriot Day" - "patriot" being a word tea partiers love.

Or remember the fact that none of them have ever gone all pipe bomby before, unlike Muslim terrorist or even white power groups

But then that would require actual thought and no longer conform to massive bigotry and irrational fear of a bunch fools w/ tea packets on their hats


Oh, here comes the No True Scotsman defense of tea partiers. Just because the vast majority of them are harmless old coots on Hoverrounds doesn't mean that crazy, apocalyptic rhetoric is a completely harmless form of free speech. Enough clowns talk about using guns to "take our country back," some lunatic is going to take them seriously.

www.journalscape.com
 
2014-05-13 03:09:07 PM  

serpent_sky: Also, remember that day is a holiday in MA only - "Patriot Day" - "patriot" being a word tea partiers love.


exactly. It would not have been completely out of the realm of possibility that a deranged Tea Partier saw that day as their duty to act against the evil government.

serpent_sky: Me too... there are 10,000 shady inconsistencies in this case.

And I am rarely one for conspiracy theories, but I don't buy most of this.


I'm tend to go for conspiracy theories on anything that involves MA law enforcement doing shady things.
 
2014-05-13 04:01:06 PM  

serpent_sky: The guy is not "the Boston Marathon Bomber".  He's accused.  Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing in this country, though he was already tried and convicted by the media.


That only refers to innocence in the eyes of the state, or do you think something actually changes in the world when his sentence is passed down and then, and only then, he becomes the person who did it?

As in right now he is not "the Boston Marathon Bomber" but would become "the Boston Marathon Bomber" if convicted? If that is your position I think you hold a little to much faith in the court systems ability to alter reality on a gross scale.

But I agree he shouldn't be sentenced before trial if that is your point.
 
2014-05-13 04:48:08 PM  
Why did I get a notification for this thread?

Weird.
 
2014-05-13 05:19:39 PM  

The first thing I looked at: That only refers to innocence in the eyes of the state, or do you think something actually changes in the world when his sentence is passed down and then, and only then, he becomes the person who did it?

As in right now he is not "the Boston Marathon Bomber" but would become "the Boston Marathon Bomber" if convicted? If that is your position I think you hold a little to much faith in the court systems ability to alter reality on a gross scale.

But I agree he shouldn't be sentenced before trial if that is your point.


Until convicted of the crimes he is accused of, he is only "accused Boston Marathon Bomber Dzhokar Tsarnaev". If and only if he is convicted do you and anyone else referring to him can drop the "accused" bit in the beginning. He is still innocent until found guilty by a jury of his peers, until then, he is the accused bomber, not the bomber.
 
2014-05-13 05:20:41 PM  

The first thing I looked at: That only refers to innocence in the eyes of the state, or do you think something actually changes in the world when his sentence is passed down and then, and only then, he becomes the person who did it?

As in right now he is not "the Boston Marathon Bomber" but would become "the Boston Marathon Bomber" if convicted? If that is your position I think you hold a little to much faith in the court systems ability to alter reality on a gross scale.

But I agree he shouldn't be sentenced before trial if that is your point.


No, but in a legal system where everyone is innocent until proven guilty, calling him anything but the accused bomber is incorrect under our own laws.

If he did it, he did it, but the terminology prior to trial does matter.  He's not yet had his day in court. He's accused of doing it but it has not been proven in a court of law. He did not plead guilty.  He absolutely should not be sentenced or declared the bomber until after trial and a guilty verdict.

Subby, eh.  Just another one of us.  But the media has often left out accused (the attached article, not even about him, was careful to always say accused) and that's rubbish. They don't get to declare guilt or innocence.

Also, with the friends, and Tsarnaev himself, what the hell happened to a speedy trial when they have been held for over a year?
 
2014-05-13 05:38:40 PM  
2wolves [TotalFark]


OnlyM3: ... still waiting for the 2 dozen or so fark-tards that bet that the Boston Boming was done by the Tea Party to pay up.

/// not really. Liberals never pay their debts.

Citation(s) please.

7701093
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Sliding Carp [TotalFark]
2013-04-15 03:37:17 PM
(favorite: blamed tea-party 4 boston (offered $5 bet))

pnkgtr: I'd like to call it early - domestic terrorism.

Put me down for $5 on Southie tea-baggers.

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MaliFinn
2013-04-15 03:50:55 PM
(favorite: 7701093 blamed tea-party 4 boston (offered bet))


I'd wager it's a tea party bastard. It is tax day after all.

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NostroZ
2013-04-15 04:01:44 PM 7701093 blamed tea-party 4 boston (offered bet)
I'd put my money down on a PATRIOT AMERICAN right now that did this.

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Zoophagous
2013-04-15 04:21:18 PM

Reports are these were "small homemade" bombs.

So yeah, home grown right wing nut bags are my bet for being responsible.

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there's more, but citation accomplished.
 
2014-05-13 06:37:27 PM  

serpent_sky: The first thing I looked at: That only refers to innocence in the eyes of the state, or do you think something actually changes in the world when his sentence is passed down and then, and only then, he becomes the person who did it?

As in right now he is not "the Boston Marathon Bomber" but would become "the Boston Marathon Bomber" if convicted? If that is your position I think you hold a little to much faith in the court systems ability to alter reality on a gross scale.

But I agree he shouldn't be sentenced before trial if that is your point.

No, but in a legal system where everyone is innocent until proven guilty, calling him anything but the accused bomber is incorrect under our own laws.

If he did it, he did it, but the terminology prior to trial does matter.  He's not yet had his day in court. He's accused of doing it but it has not been proven in a court of law. He did not plead guilty.  He absolutely should not be sentenced or declared the bomber until after trial and a guilty verdict.

Subby, eh.  Just another one of us.  But the media has often left out accused (the attached article, not even about him, was careful to always say accused) and that's rubbish. They don't get to declare guilt or innocence.

Also, with the friends, and Tsarnaev himself, what the hell happened to a speedy trial when they have been held for over a year?


If it were the jud

somedude210: The first thing I looked at: That only refers to innocence in the eyes of the state, or do you think something actually changes in the world when his sentence is passed down and then, and only then, he becomes the person who did it?

As in right now he is not "the Boston Marathon Bomber" but would become "the Boston Marathon Bomber" if convicted? If that is your position I think you hold a little to much faith in the court systems ability to alter reality on a gross scale.

But I agree he shouldn't be sentenced before trial if that is your point.

Until convicted of the crimes he is accused of, he is only "accused Boston Marathon Bomber Dzhokar Tsarnaev". If and only if he is convicted do you and anyone else referring to him can drop the "accused" bit in the beginning. He is still innocent until found guilty by a jury of his peers, until then, he is the accused bomber, not the bomber.


So you do think something changes in the world when the court decides something. Huh.

Either he did it or he didn't. This can not be caused by something that happened later.

I'm not sure how crimes are actually committed in your world. I mean at this stage it seems you would say that no one can be the bomber, as no one has been convicted of that crime yet. But if no one is the bomber, how did the bombs go off?
 
2014-05-13 06:42:48 PM  

OnlyM3: 2wolves [TotalFark]


OnlyM3: ... still waiting for the 2 dozen or so fark-tards that bet that the Boston Boming was done by the Tea Party to pay up.

/// not really. Liberals never pay their debts.

Citation(s) please.
7701093
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Sliding Carp [TotalFark]
2013-04-15 03:37:17 PM
(favorite: blamed tea-party 4 boston (offered $5 bet))

pnkgtr: I'd like to call it early - domestic terrorism.

Put me down for $5 on Southie tea-baggers.
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MaliFinn
2013-04-15 03:50:55 PM
(favorite: 7701093 blamed tea-party 4 boston (offered bet))


I'd wager it's a tea party bastard. It is tax day after all.
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NostroZ
2013-04-15 04:01:44 PM 7701093 blamed tea-party 4 boston (offered bet)
I'd put my money down on a PATRIOT AMERICAN right now that did this.
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Zoophagous
2013-04-15 04:21:18 PM

Reports are these were "small homemade" bombs.

So yeah, home grown right wing nut bags are my bet for being responsible.
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there's more, but citation accomplished.


Indeed.  I've only ever heard of sliding carp but no matter.
 
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