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2014-05-13 09:50:50 AM  
An interesting article on Fark.  It was just a matter of time I suppose.
 
2014-05-13 09:56:15 AM  
Anyone with half a brain knows by now there is no reason to continue "investigating" Benghazi.  The "new evidence" that keeps popping up is just the same old evidence, interpreted in a derpier light.

But the Republicans have to answer to a voter base that watches Fox News 24 hours a day (well, OK, they watch it 1 or 2 hours and doze the other 22-23 hours) and is being told that Benghazi is Watergate times 10,000 and what will finally end the evil Fartbongo regime.
 
2014-05-13 10:25:05 AM  
If I was the GOP, I would be starting committees on new topics.  Those veterans dying on a waiting list.  NSA wiretaps.  Do they really think there is something juicy behind Benghazi?

What could there be short of Obama or Hillary ordering someone to stop a rescue operation.  Even a fictional misdeed requires means, motive an opportunity.

I'm fine for exploring crazy conspiracy theories but at least make a semi-plausible narrative including the motivations of the players.


Someone please give me a theory juicier than initially releasing findings that the attacks arose from protests as opposed to a more coordinated attack by terrorists.
 
2014-05-13 10:31:20 AM  
There are three too many words at the end of that headline...
 
2014-05-13 10:47:47 AM  

mrshowrules: If I was the GOP, I would be starting committees on new topics.  Those veterans dying on a waiting list.  NSA wiretaps.  Do they really think there is something juicy behind Benghazi?
.


But, the reality is, the GOP doesn't care one way or the other about veterans. And they're pretty much all (except, God help me, RAND PAUL) in favor of NSA spying, whether they admit it or not.

As for Benghazi...they've allready reached the point where they claim that the absence of evidence IS evidence of ....some sort of massive conspriacy, involving Roswell, the JFK assassination, and, quite possibly, Elvis.
 
2014-05-13 10:49:13 AM  

mrshowrules: If I was the GOP, I would be starting committees on new topics.  Those veterans dying on a waiting list.


See...THIS is an actual scandal. True, its been in the making since 1999 and can't neatly be blamed on a single Administration, but damnation this is a real scandal. Secret waiting lists at every VA hospital? Opening enrollment to people like millionaires (PDF)? Creating hospitals in name only? A system designed for about 3 million people handling about 9 million without the resources to do it? THIS is a real scandal. This needs a major roto-rooter and overhaul. You would think Republicans would be chomping at the bit to look like the saviors of farking veterans!
 
2014-05-13 10:49:22 AM  

mrshowrules: If I was the GOP, I would be starting committees on new topics.  Those veterans dying on a waiting list.  NSA wiretaps.  Do they really think there is something juicy behind Benghazi?

What could there be short of Obama or Hillary ordering someone to stop a rescue operation.  Even a fictional misdeed requires means, motive an opportunity.

I'm fine for exploring crazy conspiracy theories but at least make a semi-plausible narrative including the motivations of the players.


Someone please give me a theory juicier than initially releasing findings that the attacks arose from protests as opposed to a more coordinated attack by terrorists.


Even that wouldn't actually be that big of a deal, because not sending a rescue team into a hostile situation that you don't have all of the facts about isn't a crime. Neither is hiding information about military operations from the public.

If they could prove that happened, it's be a major embarrassment and politically damaging, but that's about it. And the the farther we get from the event in time, and the more the Republicans beat that horse without turning anything of substance up, the less impact any hypothetical revelations in the future would have because most people would have tuned out of all the stupidity.

The only thing that would really give the Republicans material that warranted all of the crap they've gone through at this point would be if Obama personally ordered the attack, and Hillary was the ground commander for the raid and executed the four Americans herself.
 
2014-05-13 10:50:08 AM  
Except it's obvious on its face that the Benghazi bombing is not a scandal, not an issue of incompetence, and there's no issue to resolve or people to blame.

So, why are they having this committee? I still don't get it.
 
2014-05-13 10:53:06 AM  

jake_lex: Anyone with half a brain knows by now there is no reason to continue "investigating" Benghazi.  The "new evidence" that keeps popping up is just the same old evidence, interpreted in a derpier light.

But the Republicans have to answer to a voter base that watches Fox News 24 hours a day (well, OK, they watch it 1 or 2 hours and doze the other 22-23 hours) and is being told that Benghazi is Watergate times 10,000 and what will finally end the evil Fartbongo regime.


The GOP is really getting desperate for something fan the flame under that crowd, they are not looking for answers on Benghazi. The stock market is up, unemployment is down, the ACA is in place and the country did not dissolve into a zombie apocalypse so they keep trying to throw this turd at the wall to see if it will stick. Even my more right-wing friends see this is a distraction.
 
2014-05-13 10:53:44 AM  
Has Obama EVER came forth called the atrocity that uccured at Banghazi "terorism" yet? What's his excuse NOW?

//and no, "act of terror" doesn't count, mouth breathers
 
2014-05-13 10:54:35 AM  

mrshowrules: Those veterans dying on a waiting list.


BTW, excellent jaw-dropping discussion with the CNN investigative reporter who broke the story and a retired VA practitioner documenting extensive problems on Tom Ashbrook's show yesterday (NPR). Plus comments from the Republican chair of the House oversight committee and Bernie Sanders, who chairs the Senate oversight committee.
 
2014-05-13 10:55:10 AM  

hiker9999: And they're pretty much all (except, God help me, RAND PAUL)


rand paul has a history of being superficially against whatever obama is doing but being fine with oppressive nonsense at home
 
2014-05-13 10:57:48 AM  

mrshowrules: What could there be short of Obama or Hillary ordering someone to stop a rescue operation

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That is Obama on the left and Hillary on the right.

How come the White House didn't release this before?
 
2014-05-13 10:58:08 AM  

Somacandra: mrshowrules: If I was the GOP, I would be starting committees on new topics.  Those veterans dying on a waiting list.

See...THIS is an actual scandal. True, its been in the making since 1999 and can't neatly be blamed on a single Administration, but damnation this is a real scandal. Secret waiting lists at every VA hospital? Opening enrollment to people like millionaires (PDF)? Creating hospitals in name only? A system designed for about 3 million people handling about 9 million without the resources to do it? THIS is a real scandal. This needs a major roto-rooter and overhaul. You would think Republicans would be chomping at the bit to look like the saviors of farking veterans!


If those veterans were still fetuses, the GOP WOULD be helping them.
 
2014-05-13 10:58:20 AM  
The best result for you in game theory is if everyone else follows it and you don't.  If you're going to play the game, you have to hope your fellow players aren't sociopaths.
 
2014-05-13 11:00:18 AM  

Somacandra: mrshowrules: If I was the GOP, I would be starting committees on new topics.  Those veterans dying on a waiting list.

See...THIS is an actual scandal. True, its been in the making since 1999 and can't neatly be blamed on a single Administration, but damnation this is a real scandal. Secret waiting lists at every VA hospital? Opening enrollment to people like millionaires (PDF)? Creating hospitals in name only? A system designed for about 3 million people handling about 9 million without the resources to do it? THIS is a real scandal. This needs a major roto-rooter and overhaul. You would think Republicans would be chomping at the bit to look like the saviors of farking veterans!


The problem with investigating this is that one, it's connected across multiple Administrations, and the solution for a problem with 9 million people are being served with the resources that can handle 3 million is to increase those resources, which requires money.

And the Republicans don't want to admit - pretty much ever - that something can be solved with more money, unless said money is going to a defense contractor.
 
2014-05-13 11:01:43 AM  

Somacandra: mrshowrules: If I was the GOP, I would be starting committees on new topics.  Those veterans dying on a waiting list.

See...THIS is an actual scandal. True, its been in the making since 1999 and can't neatly be blamed on a single Administration, but damnation this is a real scandal. Secret waiting lists at every VA hospital? Opening enrollment to people like millionaires (PDF)? Creating hospitals in name only? A system designed for about 3 million people handling about 9 million without the resources to do it? THIS is a real scandal. This needs a major roto-rooter and overhaul. You would think Republicans would be chomping at the bit to look like the saviors of farking veterans!


I agree.  It's a real scandal.  The problem is that it will take money to fix and the GOP has backed themselves into such a corner on spending that they can't tackle any domestic issues other than "lower spending"  without looking like opportunistic, hypocritical idiots. Companies are leaving the US because of gridlock on issues like tax reform (the GOP will hear nothing but "lower rates at the top") and health care policy. The GOP half-heartedly says that this is because of "regulation" and our corporate income tax rate but then have nothing to say when companies move to countries with more regulation, socialized health care and a higher *effective* profits tax.  So....Benghazi.  The GOP has nothing left to offer.
 
2014-05-13 11:02:08 AM  
In the prisoners dilemma, don't play the game it's supposed to be played.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0qjK3TWZE8
 
2014-05-13 11:04:25 AM  

johnnyrocket: So, why are they having this committee? I still don't get it.


GOP doublespeak consultants Frank Luntz et al have determined that the word "benghazi" has the ideal phoneme structure for memetic transference.

Other phrases are limited by their time-specificity and reference to existing concepts which wax and wane in their applicability.  The "non-word" benghazi doesn't have those weaknesses.

All the GOP has to do is to successfully attach a non-specific emotional response to it through repeated application of "scandal seeking" association, and voila: the perfect and immortal trigger word.

The goal here is to merely utter the word and have the base react in a pavlovian way at any desired time, regardless of the situation, facts or relevance.

They're doing a pretty good job so far.  Just drop the word "benghazi" into any local pool of teatards and watch the reaction.  You don't even need to use it in a sentence, just say it, then stand back and observe.

It's actually quite amazing.
 
2014-05-13 11:04:49 AM  
I usually can intuit political motivations, but I'm just having trouble with this Benghazi stuff.  Nobody outside of the Fox News watching most rabid 20% or so of the population gives a shiat about Benghazi.  I pay very close attention to politics, and after 2 years I still have literally no clue what the "scandal" is.  It's not that I don't *believe* them, it's that I have no idea why they're mad or what their argument is.

The fact that Democrats are only protesting weakly at this point emphasizes how far off the deep end Republicans have gone.  Dems will just let them spin further and further into the echo chamber, and then Hillary will start campaigning in a year and just absolutely carve up these people for wasting untold millions of government money.  It will be magnificent.
 
2014-05-13 11:08:58 AM  

mrshowrules: An interesting article on Fark.  It was just a matter of time I suppose.


I'm more amazed at a popular news article that accurately and appropriately explains the Prisoners' Dilemma.
 
2014-05-13 11:09:58 AM  

IvyLady: Somacandra: mrshowrules: If I was the GOP, I would be starting committees on new topics.  Those veterans dying on a waiting list.

See...THIS is an actual scandal. True, its been in the making since 1999 and can't neatly be blamed on a single Administration, but damnation this is a real scandal. Secret waiting lists at every VA hospital? Opening enrollment to people like millionaires (PDF)? Creating hospitals in name only? A system designed for about 3 million people handling about 9 million without the resources to do it? THIS is a real scandal. This needs a major roto-rooter and overhaul. You would think Republicans would be chomping at the bit to look like the saviors of farking veterans!

I agree.  It's a real scandal.  The problem is that it will take money to fix and the GOP has backed themselves into such a corner on spending that they can't tackle any domestic issues other than "lower spending"  without looking like opportunistic, hypocritical idiots. Companies are leaving the US because of gridlock on issues like tax reform (the GOP will hear nothing but "lower rates at the top") and health care policy. The GOP half-heartedly says that this is because of "regulation" and our corporate income tax rate but then have nothing to say when companies move to countries with more regulation, socialized health care and a higher *effective* profits tax.  So....Benghazi.  The GOP has nothing left to offer.


When I point out to one of my tea party coworkers that high-skill workers and companies aren't suddenly flocking to Kansas now that the tax rates are practically negative and worker and environmental protections have been slashed to their minimums, she replies they just haven't been slashed enough.

That is, literally, their only solution to a problem. Cut taxes more, and reduce regulation more (even if one or both of those things hurts people, the environment, schools, health, safety, whatever). When the riches don't flood in (well, they do, to a few small groups and people), it must be that they weren't slashed enough!
 
2014-05-13 11:15:02 AM  
If ppl want to help relieve veterans healthcare affairs they should support the Medicaid expansion.

In Oklahoma it would mean thousands of vets wouldn't have to trek to Muskogee or OKc for healthcare for whatever malady they have.

Since many vets are disabled or have mental issues from service and find it hard to make a lot of money and hold a job with health insurance

My father's ability to do this still amazes me, he was genuinely the exception, but also died last year in Muskogee jack c Montgomery memorial hospital.
 
2014-05-13 11:17:21 AM  

G. Tarrant: And the Republicans don't want to admit - pretty much ever - that something can be solved with more money, unless said money is going to a defense contractor.


Mark my words, the republicans will now start pushing for privatization of the VA.
 
2014-05-13 11:19:07 AM  

johnnyrocket: Except it's obvious on its face that the Benghazi bombing is not a scandal, not an issue of incompetence, and there's no issue to resolve or people to blame.

So, why are they having this committee? I still don't get it.


Scary black man as President and biatchy white woman who wants the job next.
 
2014-05-13 11:20:02 AM  

Somacandra: mrshowrules: If I was the GOP, I would be starting committees on new topics.  Those veterans dying on a waiting list.

See...THIS is an actual scandal. True, its been in the making since 1999 and can't neatly be blamed on a single Administration, but damnation this is a real scandal. Secret waiting lists at every VA hospital? Opening enrollment to people like millionaires (PDF)? Creating hospitals in name only? A system designed for about 3 million people handling about 9 million without the resources to do it? THIS is a real scandal. This needs a major roto-rooter and overhaul. You would think Republicans would be chomping at the bit to look like the saviors of farking veterans!


Nah. They're partially responsible, they can't blame it all on the Black Guy, so they won't bother looking too far into that.
 
2014-05-13 11:20:25 AM  
The real problem is that the GOP spent so much time, effort, and money before, during, and immediately after the 2012 elections claiming that Benghazi was a scandal of some sort that much of their base now believes it and won't accept any result other than some sort of prosecution.

They can't say WHAT the scandal was, or WHAT was covered up, or WHY anyone would have done some of the things they sometimes claim, but that's all irrelevant.

They've had like 7 investigations already into this in the House. The last committee they formed actually created a report that pretty much said that there was no scandal, that there wasn't anything the President could have done, etc. Had you read Freeperland on that day you'd have seen the howls of "THE REPUBLICANS ARE IN ON IT!" "Obama bought them off!" and the like. But since they know there isn't actually any fire here, the only thing they can do is continually create new investigative panels that end up with no different results than the previous investigative panel. Hence why they've had 7 so far.
 
MFK
2014-05-13 11:25:09 AM  

Somacandra: mrshowrules: If I was the GOP, I would be starting committees on new topics.  Those veterans dying on a waiting list.

See...THIS is an actual scandal. True, its been in the making since 1999 and can't neatly be blamed on a single Administration, but damnation this is a real scandal. Secret waiting lists at every VA hospital? Opening enrollment to people like millionaires (PDF)? Creating hospitals in name only? A system designed for about 3 million people handling about 9 million without the resources to do it? THIS is a real scandal. This needs a major roto-rooter and overhaul. You would think Republicans would be chomping at the bit to look like the saviors of farking veterans!


no, because fixing this problem would require SPENDING.

While technically the VA's budget comes from the DOD's budget, there's no military contractors that can profit off of disabled veterans so it would fall into the category "social spending" which is anathema to Republicans.
 
2014-05-13 11:27:31 AM  
You know what prisoners are really having a dilemma? Inmates at Guantanamo. Why won't Congress do something?

Oh yeah, more BENGHAZI and crying about IMPEACH while not doing anything and then more OBAMACARE. You know, the important stuff.
 
2014-05-13 11:29:28 AM  
That sums up pretty much the entire situation with the mainstream republicans and the Tea Party faction, actually:

It would be much more beneficial if everyone just ignored the TP morons (because the Tea Party doesn't have anywhere near the resources to take revenge on even 30 or 40 house members at once), but if one person stuck their head up and admitted that TP = goddamned retard, they'd become the target for the reasonably substantial minority TP faction and its primary challenge nonsense.

So people kept their heads down for their individual benefit when even a substantial minority taking a stand together would have fixed the problem and made them all effectively immune to retaliation.

// Thankfully someone actually pointed this out to the GOP sometime in the last year or so and they've at least been trying to recover from the damage somewhat since.
 
2014-05-13 11:31:09 AM  

Somacandra: mrshowrules: Those veterans dying on a waiting list.

BTW, excellent jaw-dropping discussion with the CNN investigative reporter who broke the story and a retired VA practitioner documenting extensive problems on Tom Ashbrook's show yesterday (NPR). Plus comments from the Republican chair of the House oversight committee and Bernie Sanders, who chairs the Senate oversight committee.


These represent people dying daily.  Shows you that the GOP doesn't really give a fark about people serving their country.  Now if Hillary was the head of Veteran Affairs, they would be all over that shiat.  Disgusting politics is disgusting.
 
2014-05-13 11:34:14 AM  

Somacandra: mrshowrules: If I was the GOP, I would be starting committees on new topics.  Those veterans dying on a waiting list.

See...THIS is an actual scandal. True, its been in the making since 1999 and can't neatly be blamed on a single Administration, but damnation this is a real scandal. Secret waiting lists at every VA hospital? Opening enrollment to people like millionaires (PDF)? Creating hospitals in name only? A system designed for about 3 million people handling about 9 million without the resources to do it? THIS is a real scandal. This needs a major roto-rooter and overhaul. You would think Republicans would be chomping at the bit to look like the saviors of farking veterans!


This is a scandal I agree.  I don't know why the GOP is not all over this.  Perhaps, they don't want to draw attention to how many farking veterans their chicken-hawk policies have created.
 
2014-05-13 11:40:45 AM  
It's worse than that.

You've got to go derper to get to the real story.

I heard yesterday that Obama sacrificed those guys in Libya to cover up the US bombing the Syrian rebels with Syria's chemical weapons and that Putin is going to save the Free World.

//I wish on everything every human has ever held dear and sacred, that I was making that up, but I was inundated with that stream of derp from a coworker.
 
2014-05-13 11:45:06 AM  

johnnyrocket: Except it's obvious on its face that the Benghazi bombing is not a scandal, not an issue of incompetence, and there's no issue to resolve or people to blame.

So, why are they having this committee? I still don't get it.


So they don't get primaried.
 
2014-05-13 11:45:15 AM  
Even cynical political motivations don't make a whole lot of sense unless there's actual evidence that would damn the administration.

Incorrect.  They don't have to come up with actual evidence that would damn the administration, they just have to convince their base that such evidence exists.
 
2014-05-13 11:49:27 AM  

Karac: Even cynical political motivations don't make a whole lot of sense unless there's actual evidence that would damn the administration.

Incorrect.  They don't have to come up with actual evidence that would damn the administration, they just have to convince their base that such evidence exists.


Don't they eventually look inept when they fail to produce damning evidence revealing what the base "knows" beyond certainty- that this was clearly a criminally masterminded cover-up?
 
2014-05-13 11:58:17 AM  
MFK:

no, because fixing this problem would require SPENDING.

While technically the VA's budget comes from the DOD's budget, there's no military contractors that can profit off of disabled veterans so it would fall into the category "social spending" which is anathema to Republicans.



Yeah.... not even remotely true.
 
2014-05-13 11:59:30 AM  

G. Tarrant: The real problem is that the GOP spent so much time, effort, and money before, during, and immediately after the 2012 elections claiming that Benghazi was a scandal of some sort that much of their base now believes it and won't accept any result other than some sort of prosecution.

They can't say WHAT the scandal was, or WHAT was covered up, or WHY anyone would have done some of the things they sometimes claim, but that's all irrelevant.

They've had like 7 investigations already into this in the House. The last committee they formed actually created a report that pretty much said that there was no scandal, that there wasn't anything the President could have done, etc. Had you read Freeperland on that day you'd have seen the howls of "THE REPUBLICANS ARE IN ON IT!" "Obama bought them off!" and the like. But since they know there isn't actually any fire here, the only thing they can do is continually create new investigative panels that end up with no different results than the previous investigative panel. Hence why they've had 7 so far.


Boehner has no choice: if he does not give the Tea Party red meat, he will be their next meal.
 
2014-05-13 12:00:27 PM  
Too bad this is the GOPs prisoners' dilemma and not their Kobayashi Maru.
 
2014-05-13 12:13:09 PM  
The Obama administration should troll the GOP by leaking out a back-dated email claiming that Obama ordered stand-down, but make sure to use statements to refer to events that occurred post that date. That is, back-date the email to 9/12/2012, but make references to Congresswoman Tammy Duckworth, who only won the seat in Nov 2012, or even better, make references to more recent allegations by the GOP on how the Benghazi "conspiracy" occurred. Read some of their claims in 2013 or later, include them into the body of the email, word for word. Maybe include a link to an internal "skype video" from Obama to Susan Rice explaining to her how she should act in front of the media, and use the exact words that Rush or Hannity said about Rice's media appearance. Say something like, "Susan, make sure that when you go on Meet The Press, you say your lines so that Rush Limbaugh won't claim it as <exact words that Rush used> or Hannity would say you're <exact words that Hannity used>. And we definitely don't want Bill O'Reilly to say, '<exact words that O'Reilly used>'."

That would be total troll.
 
2014-05-13 12:16:53 PM  

cubic_spleen: Somacandra: mrshowrules: If I was the GOP, I would be starting committees on new topics.  Those veterans dying on a waiting list.

See...THIS is an actual scandal. True, its been in the making since 1999 and can't neatly be blamed on a single Administration, but damnation this is a real scandal. Secret waiting lists at every VA hospital? Opening enrollment to people like millionaires (PDF)? Creating hospitals in name only? A system designed for about 3 million people handling about 9 million without the resources to do it? THIS is a real scandal. This needs a major roto-rooter and overhaul. You would think Republicans would be chomping at the bit to look like the saviors of farking veterans!

If those veterans were still fetuses, the GOP WOULD be helping them.


I don't see the GOP actually helping fetuses. They just use them to slut shame the women carrying them.
 
2014-05-13 12:19:01 PM  
CSB: I was dumb enough to get into the Benghazi debate on FB. Was able to refute every talking point he had on the issue but the goalpost kept moving. Even using the armed services board testimony from Gen. Carter Ham explaining why air support wouldn't have made a damn difference for the 2 guys killed by indirect artillery fire- less than a dozen mortar rounds (mortars suck).  The final goalpost move was him saying that the general forgot the team had a laser designator that could have repealed the 5 am assault. After all was said and done that was the final argument he had and his question was "who's call was that?"

They can't win. They've invested way too much into the argument for there to be nothing. They'll ride this through midterm elections and possibly any Hillary campaign, then it will die a quiet death and be forgotten.
 
2014-05-13 12:23:05 PM  

UrukHaiGuyz: Karac: Even cynical political motivations don't make a whole lot of sense unless there's actual evidence that would damn the administration.

Incorrect.  They don't have to come up with actual evidence that would damn the administration, they just have to convince their base that such evidence exists.

Don't they eventually look inept when they fail to produce damning evidence revealing what the base "knows" beyond certainty- that this was clearly a criminally masterminded cover-up?


Nope.  At that point they just claim that there is a cover-up of the cover-up.

Anyone who thinks that "acts of terror" is logically different than "terrorism" will eat that shiat up with a spoon and ask for seconds.
 
2014-05-13 12:40:41 PM  

Delta1212: mrshowrules: If I was the GOP, I would be starting committees on new topics.  Those veterans dying on a waiting list.  NSA wiretaps.  Do they really think there is something juicy behind Benghazi?

What could there be short of Obama or Hillary ordering someone to stop a rescue operation.  Even a fictional misdeed requires means, motive an opportunity.

I'm fine for exploring crazy conspiracy theories but at least make a semi-plausible narrative including the motivations of the players.


Someone please give me a theory juicier than initially releasing findings that the attacks arose from protests as opposed to a more coordinated attack by terrorists.

Even that wouldn't actually be that big of a deal, because not sending a rescue team into a hostile situation that you don't have all of the facts about isn't a crime. Neither is hiding information about military operations from the public.

If they could prove that happened, it's be a major embarrassment and politically damaging, but that's about it. And the the farther we get from the event in time, and the more the Republicans beat that horse without turning anything of substance up, the less impact any hypothetical revelations in the future would have because most people would have tuned out of all the stupidity.

The only thing that would really give the Republicans material that warranted all of the crap they've gone through at this point would be if Obama personally ordered the attack, and Hillary was the ground commander for the raid and executed the four Americans herself.


He did and she did. Study it out.
 
2014-05-13 12:41:40 PM  
Is this an example of the Prisoner's Dilemma, or a fancy way of trying to justify the rationale behind this nonsense?  The Republicans have lost their minds and are starting to realize that, sooner or later, you have to GOVERN.  And they refuse to do so.  They toss out cutting taxes and some other catchphrases, but they have no real answers.

Benghazi isn't some trap for rational people, it's the results of a long con combined with bigotry that can only end one way, even if you do it multiple times because of an anti-government viewpoint.  We're trying to apply sense to people who cannot concieve of a world that doesn't fit their narrow viewpoints that are fiction.
 
2014-05-13 12:49:30 PM  
The GOP has forced themselves into a no-win scenario: They can either do something about the true problems of America and alienate the teabaggers, or do nothing and alienate the rest of America. In either case, they have only themselves to blame for their predicament.
 
2014-05-13 12:58:26 PM  

SurfaceTension: Too bad this is the GOPs prisoners' dilemma and not their Kobayashi Maru.


That one is easy. Blow the ship up. Blow up the Romulans in the neutral zone. Sell salvage rights to the metal to a buddy of some mid-level Federation douchenozzle.
 
2014-05-13 01:30:11 PM  

RminusQ: mrshowrules: An interesting article on Fark.  It was just a matter of time I suppose.

I'm more amazed at a popular news article that accurately and appropriately explains the Prisoners' Dilemma.


And I'm way amazed that it totally explains why we're still thrashing through BENGHAZI two whole years later.

Good find, subby.
 
2014-05-13 01:37:33 PM  
The argument suffers a fatal flaw in imagining the existence of a thing called a "rational Republican."
 
2014-05-13 01:49:35 PM  

Baz744: The argument suffers a fatal flaw in imagining the existence of a thing called a "rational Republican."


There used to be, but they either got driven out or consumed by the teabaggers.
 
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