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(National Journal)   U.S. News & World Report will not include sexual-assault data in its annual college rankings, just football team strength and the availability of on-campus alcohol   (nationaljournal.com) divider line 79
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2014-05-13 07:55:32 AM  
A reasonable proxy
 
2014-05-13 08:48:06 AM  
Done in one.
 
2014-05-13 09:59:30 AM  
Yep.
 
2014-05-13 09:59:50 AM  
You don't need excel and a macro to do the "football team strength and the availability of on-campus alcohol " math on sexual assault.
 
2014-05-13 09:59:51 AM  
It's getting harder and harder to find a school that offers a good curriculum and a chance for surprise buttsecks.
 
2014-05-13 10:00:33 AM  
Bah, just sexism against men, nothing more. 95% of those "assaults" are just chicks who got too drunk and feel bad about it. Real stats.

Duke Lacrosse!
 
2014-05-13 10:02:10 AM  
Good idea, but I imagine all it will end up doing is rewarding the schools that do a better job at keeping crimes from being officially reported.

A better use of Congress' time would be creating stiff penalties for schools obfuscate crime rates on and off campus.
 
2014-05-13 10:03:50 AM  
...and why would they?
 
2014-05-13 10:05:27 AM  
Due to the fact that we could not decide whether to list sexual assault as a positive or negative we have left it out this year. We will try to decide which category to put it into next year. Half of us were of the opinion that it is a terrible crime, the other half thought it was a fun leisure activity. Once again sorry for this, we plan to implement a sexual assault program over this next year to feel out everyone's true views.
Got to go someone showed up to ass rape me.
 
2014-05-13 10:06:21 AM  

thornhill: Good idea, but I imagine all it will end up doing is rewarding the schools that do a better job at keeping crimes from being officially reported.

A better use of Congress' time would be creating stiff penalties for schools obfuscate crime rates on and off campus.


You need a stiffer penalty than the complete removal of govt money to the school and availability of fed student loans and grants to the student body?
 
2014-05-13 10:07:09 AM  
FTA "Any crime data anywhere is tough to collect, as you know. And campus crime data has been for many years particularly notorious for being unreliable. The reporting is sketchy, the definitions of crimes is sometimes sketchy, schools are inconsistent in what they report, students are inconsistent with what they report"

That's a pretty good reason. If campus sexual assault reporting is anywhere near military sexual assault reporting, I'd day a very large portion of reported cases are either entirely made up for dubious reasons or a case of "now that I'm sober, I regret sleeping with him he raped me". I've been an MP in the Army for 8 years and I've seen quite a few cases of reported sexual assault and harassment. A great deal of them end up being totally false with hard evidence showing that the claims were made up. Of course sexual assault happens in the military, and in college, as it does anywhere else. But false reporting happens too. A lot. I think it's pretty smart not to bias people against a school based of a very questionable and unverifiable set of criteria such as that. Perhaps include cases that were successfully prosecuted in court. That would at least be something demonstrable. But just including the reports is basically saying all accusations are true and should be held against the alleged perpetrator and school as a whole. That's just not right.
 
2014-05-13 10:09:01 AM  
Why bother putting in the stats since it is under reported anyway.

And why the fark is Congress pleading for this?
 
2014-05-13 10:11:12 AM  
No on campus drugs?
 
2014-05-13 10:13:08 AM  

Saiga410: thornhill: Good idea, but I imagine all it will end up doing is rewarding the schools that do a better job at keeping crimes from being officially reported.

A better use of Congress' time would be creating stiff penalties for schools obfuscate crime rates on and off campus.

You need a stiffer penalty than the complete removal of govt money to the school and availability of fed student loans and grants to the student body?


As we've learned from Wall St., penalties don't seem to do much. And punishing the whole university for the failings of a few people is unfair.

Hold people accountable in criminal court. If college admins are cooking the books, they should go to jail.
 
2014-05-13 10:14:00 AM  
If you're the victim of an on-campus crime, the best thing to do is get REAL cops and lawyers involved.
This also solves the whole "under-reported statistics" thing, too.
 
2014-05-13 10:19:42 AM  

taurusowner: FTA "Any crime data anywhere is tough to collect, as you know. And campus crime data has been for many years particularly notorious for being unreliable. The reporting is sketchy, the definitions of crimes is sometimes sketchy, schools are inconsistent in what they report, students are inconsistent with what they report"

That's a pretty good reason. If campus sexual assault reporting is anywhere near military sexual assault reporting, I'd day a very large portion of reported cases are either entirely made up for dubious reasons or a case of "now that I'm sober, I regret sleeping with him he raped me". I've been an MP in the Army for 8 years and I've seen quite a few cases of reported sexual assault and harassment. A great deal of them end up being totally false with hard evidence showing that the claims were made up. Of course sexual assault happens in the military, and in college, as it does anywhere else. But false reporting happens too. A lot. I think it's pretty smart not to bias people against a school based of a very questionable and unverifiable set of criteria such as that. Perhaps include cases that were successfully prosecuted in court. That would at least be something demonstrable. But just including the reports is basically saying all accusations are true and should be held against the alleged perpetrator and school as a whole. That's just not right.


We had a thread a few months ago which brought up false reports.  One of the more interesting aspects of it was the variance.  As I recall the official stats for false reports was 9% however that only covered provable false reporting and various studies were linked indicating that no one knew for certain what the amount of false reporting was but it varied roughly between 10% to 25%.
 
2014-05-13 10:20:29 AM  
The thing is, campuses work hard to fark up sexual assault data anyways... it's not a good metric to compare because it there's no way to tell which campuses have lower sexual assault rates v. which campuses have police officers who re-write reports to make it seem more like a simple battery than a sexual assault v. campuses where cops refuse to take a report at all.

I mean, not even sexual, but when i was at Oklahoma State (more than a decade ago), there was trouble with a local branch of the KKK, which had had some events on the yard of a fraternity on-campus. I wrote a letter that got co-signed by a few dozen other presidents of campus groups and organizations asking for the decking funds of the fraternity to be removed, indicating that while we support free speech, we don't want the bill for that particular kind of speech. Two days later, my apartment got smashed up, and amongst other things, they put rubbing alcohol in the water bottles that were in the fridge (not sure how they didn't think we'd notice that), they spray painted a bit on the walls, a big circle with the triangles in it, and "fark off fagots [sic]" on the wall. The campus police (as my room was on campus, real police deferred to them) entered, and the first words, I shiat you not, out of the cops mouth were "we'll probably never know who did this."

i left Oklahoma that year, I don't even go back to visit my family that lives there, I make them come visit me in CO. Anyways, campus police suck, no matter what your problem is, they don't give a fark, their job is to keep crime reporting low, so the campus looks safer on paper, regardless of reality.
 
2014-05-13 10:20:47 AM  
Worked for a campus PD for a while, and one of our biggest contributing factors to sexual assault, was the large number of homeless near our campus.  Now most homeless guys are not rapist, but most of them have figured out a long time ago, that they have nothing to lose.  Add to that a large dose of alcohol, narcotics, mental problems, and people who are homeless simply because they are on the run from the law for some pretty serious things, you then find yourself with an unusually high number of rapist within the population of homeless people.  Again, it isn't most homeless, as out of the hundreds that we had, only probably a dozen were rapey.
 
2014-05-13 10:21:14 AM  
Reps. Jackie Speier, D-Calif., and Patrick Meehan, R-Pa., who were among 12 House members who sent a letter to U.S. News last month asking that the data be included, said that the publication had not alerted them of its decision. But Speier expressed disappointment.

Congress has access to all sorts of data. Perhaps they can report it instead. Just a thought.
 
2014-05-13 10:22:30 AM  
Some of the towns these colleges are in (like my alma mater) still charge you for indecent exposure for being seen peeing on the back wall of the laundromat. Which can be counted as a sexual assault crime and get you on the offender list.

The numbers are skewed. Especially if they come from the Judicial boards (served on mine) where the burden of proof is slightly higher than "j'accuse!".
 
2014-05-13 10:22:49 AM  
Almost got my everything rearranged for stopping a Brah from carrying my gf's friend upstairs (she was drugged i think) at a shiatty frat party

Only thing that saved me was a couple other non-bros figuring out what was going on and helping me out

Must have dated a half dozen girls in college that eventually told me they'd been raped at that school... and that was an engineering school, not a party school

The looking-the-other-way that must occurr at places like wvu or osu?? Farking freightening to think about

And the wealthy elite that run these schools work to undermine the truth. They profit off people not knowing they are sending their kids to rape factories.

But thats american capitalism in the 21st century. Profiting off rape of one form or another
 
2014-05-13 10:23:07 AM  

taurusowner: FTA "Any crime data anywhere is tough to collect, as you know. And campus crime data has been for many years particularly notorious for being unreliable. The reporting is sketchy, the definitions of crimes is sometimes sketchy, schools are inconsistent in what they report, students are inconsistent with what they report"

That's a pretty good reason. If campus sexual assault reporting is anywhere near military sexual assault reporting, I'd day a very large portion of reported cases are either entirely made up for dubious reasons or a case of "now that I'm sober, I regret sleeping with him he raped me". I've been an MP in the Army for 8 years and I've seen quite a few cases of reported sexual assault and harassment. A great deal of them end up being totally false with hard evidence showing that the claims were made up. Of course sexual assault happens in the military, and in college, as it does anywhere else. But false reporting happens too. A lot. I think it's pretty smart not to bias people against a school based of a very questionable and unverifiable set of criteria such as that. Perhaps include cases that were successfully prosecuted in court. That would at least be something demonstrable. But just including the reports is basically saying all accusations are true and should be held against the alleged perpetrator and school as a whole. That's just not right.


I think the crap of it is, cops get exposed to false reports, you don't get exposed to anything when someone gets raped and doesn't report it. =/ The availability heuristics may not lead to an accurate assessment of overall percentages.
 
2014-05-13 10:23:37 AM  

NutWrench: If you're the victim of an on-campus crime, the best thing to do is get REAL cops and lawyers involved.
This also solves the whole "under-reported statistics" thing, too.


Problem being that a lot of times the "real cops" (city, county and state) will likely shrug and say that any crime occurring on campus is the responsibility of the crack campus police to investigate.
 
2014-05-13 10:25:32 AM  

NutWrench: If you're the victim of an on-campus crime, the best thing to do is get REAL cops and lawyers involved.
This also solves the whole "under-reported statistics" thing, too.


Agreed.
The only reasonable response to being a victim of a crime is to report it to the PROPER authorities.
Not your RA.
Not your school nurse.

Also, Learn some martial arts, ladies.
 
2014-05-13 10:26:00 AM  

doubled99: ...and why would they?


It really is something to consider.  Some places have a culture of taking assault seriously and some (**cough** penn state, UMBC**) do not.  If I were a young woman about to head into an environment full of guys who had never been ungoverned and where the whole place was chock full 'o booze and drugs, it would be something to consider.  Probably more important than the standings of it's NCAA program.
 
2014-05-13 10:26:09 AM  
In other news, they still publish US News & World Report.
 
2014-05-13 10:27:43 AM  
From their letter:  "Institutions that fail to adequately respond to sexual violence should not receive accolades from your publication "

a) Raw data on the number of assaults does not provide enough information as to how well the institution responds to sexual violence.
b) why not push for all crime statistics.  Why is sexual assault the guiding stat on campus safety?
 
2014-05-13 10:28:57 AM  

Thunderpipes: Bah, just sexism against men, nothing more. 95% of those "assaults" are just chicks who got too drunk and feel bad about it. Real stats.

Duke Lacrosse!


Please tell me this is sarcasm and/or a case of Poe's law.

Please?
 
2014-05-13 10:29:32 AM  
Why would they include sexual assault data? Why not also include non-sexual assault data, theft data, or drunk driving data?
 
2014-05-13 10:29:33 AM  

firefly212: I think the crap of it is, cops get exposed to false reports, you don't get exposed to anything when someone gets raped and doesn't report it. =/ The availability heuristics may not lead to an accurate assessment of overall percentages.


That's a very accurate statement. We can't pursue what we don't hear about. The problem is that due to the severe mental trauma that actual rape usually causes, the real cases end up not being reported far more than the fake ones. The real victims stay quiet because they're going through one of the roughest mental states of their lives and bringing it up over and over for investigators and lawyers, not to mention how public it becomes exacerbates the anguish. The fakers on the other hand aren't suffering any of that. They're not going through the same emotional pain since it didn't really happen. So they are much more comfortable reporting something, particularly if they have something to gain from it (revenge or diffusing their own regret usually).
 
2014-05-13 10:30:53 AM  

fireclown: doubled99: ...and why would they?

It really is something to consider.  Some places have a culture of taking assault seriously and some (**cough** penn state, UMBC**) do not.  If I were a young woman about to head into an environment full of guys who had never been ungoverned and where the whole place was chock full 'o booze and drugs, it would be something to consider.  Probably more important than the standings of it's NCAA program.


This is so farking sexist and you probably don't even realize it and/or care.
 
2014-05-13 10:37:04 AM  
Is FSU #1?

/Lives in Tallahassee
//Loves FSU football
///Hates what some football players have become
 
2014-05-13 10:37:05 AM  

Gergesa: taurusowner: FTA "Any crime data anywhere is tough to collect, as you know. And campus crime data has been for many years particularly notorious for being unreliable. The reporting is sketchy, the definitions of crimes is sometimes sketchy, schools are inconsistent in what they report, students are inconsistent with what they report"

That's a pretty good reason. If campus sexual assault reporting is anywhere near military sexual assault reporting, I'd day a very large portion of reported cases are either entirely made up for dubious reasons or a case of "now that I'm sober, I regret sleeping with him he raped me". I've been an MP in the Army for 8 years and I've seen quite a few cases of reported sexual assault and harassment. A great deal of them end up being totally false with hard evidence showing that the claims were made up. Of course sexual assault happens in the military, and in college, as it does anywhere else. But false reporting happens too. A lot. I think it's pretty smart not to bias people against a school based of a very questionable and unverifiable set of criteria such as that. Perhaps include cases that were successfully prosecuted in court. That would at least be something demonstrable. But just including the reports is basically saying all accusations are true and should be held against the alleged perpetrator and school as a whole. That's just not right.

We had a thread a few months ago which brought up false reports.  One of the more interesting aspects of it was the variance.  As I recall the official stats for false reports was 9% however that only covered provable false reporting and various studies were linked indicating that no one knew for certain what the amount of false reporting was but it varied roughly between 10% to 25%.


Would you happen to remember any sources from that thread? I'd always heard that false reporting rates for rape was similar to false reporting for other crimes.
 
2014-05-13 10:38:05 AM  

Prey4reign: NutWrench: If you're the victim of an on-campus crime, the best thing to do is get REAL cops and lawyers involved.
This also solves the whole "under-reported statistics" thing, too.

Problem being that a lot of times the "real cops" (city, county and state) will likely shrug and say that any crime occurring on campus is the responsibility of the crack campus police to investigate.


And they would be correct if the campus has an actual police department and not just a security department. Jurisdiction is a real thing and it can tie a lot of hands. If the campus is covered by an actual sworn law enforcement agency, prosecution of crimes within that jurisdiction is their responsibility, however of a shiatty job they do at it. And if they are doing a shiatty job, more parents and community members need to step up and get involved in campus policy wherever they can. Those shiatty cops all report to someone and get a paycheck from the university. Be proactive, find out who makes those calls and signs those checks and start making noise. That goes for all communities with shiatty cops. Get enough people to show up at enough town meetings and things can change. But just saying "cops suck" and going back to your day to day doesn't cut it. Cops are employees. Their community is the boss. Be a vigilant boss and start calling them out for their shiat. Write letters, go to meetings, get a group together and do some demonstrations, hell run for office.  Influence the people who hire and fire cops. Do something other than complain.

That town that's going after the cop who shot the 93 year old is on the right track. I actually think it was probably a good shoot and that cop did the right thing. She was armed and threatening deadly force against others. But right or wrong, a community is entitled to the kind of police they want. And the only way to make that happen is to make noise until it does. They're making noise that they want that cop fired, and if they keep it up long enough, it will probably happen. That's how you change a police department. Be proactive and force them to change. You're their employer.
 
2014-05-13 10:45:24 AM  
vudukungfu

Also, Learn some martial arts, ladies.
Most MA schools are a joke. For women 99 out of 100 even if they got a black belt they're just not going to be able to go toe-to-toe w/ a man. The most they'll get out of it is some situational awareness that might help them identify a dangerous situation before they walk into it.

/// feminists want to argue? First address that the Marines can't get women to do 1 chin up after 6 months of 24 hr a day training.
 
2014-05-13 10:45:34 AM  
Then there was the ever-present football player rapist.
 
2014-05-13 10:46:42 AM  

NutWrench: If you're the victim of an on-campus crime, the best thing to do is get REAL cops and lawyers involved.
This also solves the whole "under-reported statistics" thing, too.


Damned right.
 
2014-05-13 10:58:15 AM  

draypresct: Gergesa: taurusowner: FTA "Any crime data anywhere is tough to collect, as you know. And campus crime data has been for many years particularly notorious for being unreliable. The reporting is sketchy, the definitions of crimes is sometimes sketchy, schools are inconsistent in what they report, students are inconsistent with what they report"

That's a pretty good reason. If campus sexual assault reporting is anywhere near military sexual assault reporting, I'd day a very large portion of reported cases are either entirely made up for dubious reasons or a case of "now that I'm sober, I regret sleeping with him he raped me". I've been an MP in the Army for 8 years and I've seen quite a few cases of reported sexual assault and harassment. A great deal of them end up being totally false with hard evidence showing that the claims were made up. Of course sexual assault happens in the military, and in college, as it does anywhere else. But false reporting happens too. A lot. I think it's pretty smart not to bias people against a school based of a very questionable and unverifiable set of criteria such as that. Perhaps include cases that were successfully prosecuted in court. That would at least be something demonstrable. But just including the reports is basically saying all accusations are true and should be held against the alleged perpetrator and school as a whole. That's just not right.

We had a thread a few months ago which brought up false reports.  One of the more interesting aspects of it was the variance.  As I recall the official stats for false reports was 9% however that only covered provable false reporting and various studies were linked indicating that no one knew for certain what the amount of false reporting was but it varied roughly between 10% to 25%.

Would you happen to remember any sources from that thread? I'd always heard that false reporting rates for rape was similar to false reporting for other crimes.


I apologize, this was months ago.
 
2014-05-13 11:01:16 AM  

OnlyM3: /// feminists want to argue? First address that the Marines can't get women to do 1 chin up after 6 months of 24 hr a day training.


Eh, not all. I can say that one of the most squared away Marines I've ever met was a chick. And I watched her do 10 chinups in full gear with a rucksack on her back. Yeah 10 isn't a whole lot, but with an extra 100+ lbs of crap, I was impressed. And one of the most badass unarmed self defense instructors I had in the police academy was a woman as well. I know you were being snarky, but the point still stands.

As for martial arts, as they are often taught in the US now, they're all junk for men and women. You're training to do flashy moves and compete in staged fights for points. That's essentially useless. If you want real training, try Krav Maga. That shiat works for both genders. Yes the average untrained male can overpower the average untrained female, but real training is a force multiplier that's hard to beat.
 
2014-05-13 11:02:13 AM  

OnlyM3: vudukungfu

Also, Learn some martial arts, ladies. Most MA schools are a joke. For women 99 out of 100 even if they got a black belt they're just not going to be able to go toe-to-toe w/ a man. The most they'll get out of it is some situational awareness that might help them identify a dangerous situation before they walk into it.

/// feminists want to argue? First address that the Marines can't get women to do 1 chin up after 6 months of 24 hr a day training.


You don't necessarily have to be able to beat someone up in a ring to keep from being robbed or raped by them.

That being said, any training/weapons/situational awareness improves your odds, but nothing is 100%. Even being an Olympic-level boxer may not be enough (ref. Sugar Ray).
 
2014-05-13 11:04:17 AM  

Needlessly Complicated: Thunderpipes: Bah, just sexism against men, nothing more. 95% of those "assaults" are just chicks who got too drunk and feel bad about it. Real stats.

Duke Lacrosse!

Please tell me this is sarcasm and/or a case of Poe's law.

Please?


Come on man, we went almost a whole page without feeding this guy.
 
2014-05-13 11:04:36 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: fireclown: doubled99: ...and why would they?

It really is something to consider.  Some places have a culture of taking assault seriously and some (**cough** penn state, UMBC**) do not.  If I were a young woman about to head into an environment full of guys who had never been ungoverned and where the whole place was chock full 'o booze and drugs, it would be something to consider.  Probably more important than the standings of it's NCAA program.

This is so farking sexist and you probably don't even realize it and/or care.


It is, I do in fact care, and I apologize.  I do not mean to lessen the severity of assault either of men or by women.  My experience with this aspect of life is through the rape of a friend of mine.  She is a woman, and I tend to view the whole thing through those red lenses.  She went the route of the "university justice system", who made EVERY effort to downplay or ignore the charges. In the end, it went nowhere.

The point is, if you are raped, don't call an administrator.  Lawyer up and call a real cop.
 
2014-05-13 11:09:25 AM  

Empty H: Needlessly Complicated: Thunderpipes: Bah, just sexism against men, nothing more. 95% of those "assaults" are just chicks who got too drunk and feel bad about it. Real stats.

Duke Lacrosse!

Please tell me this is sarcasm and/or a case of Poe's law.

Please?

Come on man, we went almost a whole page without feeding this guy.


Sorry, my bad.
 
2014-05-13 11:10:01 AM  
Good.  That would be a really crappy addition to the 'stats colleges feel forced to stretch the truth about.'
 
2014-05-13 11:13:44 AM  

draypresct: OnlyM3: vudukungfu

Also, Learn some martial arts, ladies. Most MA schools are a joke. For women 99 out of 100 even if they got a black belt they're just not going to be able to go toe-to-toe w/ a man. The most they'll get out of it is some situational awareness that might help them identify a dangerous situation before they walk into it.

/// feminists want to argue? First address that the Marines can't get women to do 1 chin up after 6 months of 24 hr a day training.

You don't necessarily have to be able to beat someone up in a ring to keep from being robbed or raped by them.

That being said, any training/weapons/situational awareness improves your odds, but nothing is 100%. Even being an Olympic-level boxer may not be enough (ref. Sugar Ray).


I think it's less about perfecting fighting skills, and more about not being stuck in a helpless victim mindset. You might not be able to knock a giant meathead out with one punch, but seeing someone willing to fight like their life depends on it kind of kills the mood.

Or not. You could still get beat up pretty bad.

I guess I'm not helping much here.
 
2014-05-13 11:13:47 AM  

taurusowner: Prey4reign: NutWrench: If you're the victim of an on-campus crime, the best thing to do is get REAL cops and lawyers involved.
This also solves the whole "under-reported statistics" thing, too.

Problem being that a lot of times the "real cops" (city, county and state) will likely shrug and say that any crime occurring on campus is the responsibility of the crack campus police to investigate.

And they would be correct if the campus has an actual police department and not just a security department. Jurisdiction is a real thing and it can tie a lot of hands. If the campus is covered by an actual sworn law enforcement agency, prosecution of crimes within that jurisdiction is their responsibility, however of a shiatty job they do at it. And if they are doing a shiatty job, more parents and community members need to step up and get involved in campus policy wherever they can. Those shiatty cops all report to someone and get a paycheck from the university. Be proactive, find out who makes those calls and signs those checks and start making noise. That goes for all communities with shiatty cops. Get enough people to show up at enough town meetings and things can change. But just saying "cops suck" and going back to your day to day doesn't cut it. Cops are employees. Their community is the boss. Be a vigilant boss and start calling them out for their shiat. Write letters, go to meetings, get a group together and do some demonstrations, hell run for office.  Influence the people who hire and fire cops. Do something other than complain.

That town that's going after the cop who shot the 93 year old is on the right track. I actually think it was probably a good shoot and that cop did the right thing. She was armed and threatening deadly force against others. But right or wrong, a community is entitled to the kind of police they want. And the only way to make that happen is to make noise until it does. They're making noise that they want that cop fired, and if they keep it up ...


/CSB
In Iowa, at least at the regent universities, all campus police are *technically* state police (although the State Troopers would argue it) and therefore outrank the local police in jurisdiction. Usually this doesn't matter much, but there have been times where the relationship between the two has gotten a little dicey.

Ames, home of Iowa State, also has the DOT Headquarters, a major USDA facility, a Highway running strait through it with Troopers on it, and a large DNR office nearby. If you include the local police and sheriffs office it means that assuming you do something boneheaded on Lincoln Way you can be pulled over by no less then seven different agencies, four of which are either state or federal in nature.

/ To be fair, the USDA doesn't concern itself with much other then the animal disease lab complex in the north of town.
// And you have to be doing something fairly special to get directly pulled over by the DNR or the DOT (but god help you if they do)
/// Of course there presence didn't stop boneheaded students from rioting and trashing a school tradition.
 
2014-05-13 11:18:07 AM  

fireclown: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: fireclown: doubled99: ...and why would they?

It really is something to consider.  Some places have a culture of taking assault seriously and some (**cough** penn state, UMBC**) do not.  If I were a young woman about to head into an environment full of guys who had never been ungoverned and where the whole place was chock full 'o booze and drugs, it would be something to consider.  Probably more important than the standings of it's NCAA program.

This is so farking sexist and you probably don't even realize it and/or care.

It is, I do in fact care, and I apologize.  I do not mean to lessen the severity of assault either of men or by women.  My experience with this aspect of life is through the rape of a friend of mine.  She is a woman, and I tend to view the whole thing through those red lenses.  She went the route of the "university justice system", who made EVERY effort to downplay or ignore the charges. In the end, it went nowhere.

The point is, if you are raped, don't call an administrator.  Lawyer up and call a real cop.


Agreed!
 
2014-05-13 11:34:51 AM  

Big Beef Burrito: I think it's less about perfecting fighting skills, and more about not being stuck in a helpless victim mindset. You might not be able to knock a giant meathead out with one punch, but seeing someone willing to fight like their life depends on it kind of kills the mood.Or not. You could still get beat up pretty bad.I guess I'm not helping much here.


I get what you're saying. I agree that there isn't a 'one size fits all' to any sort of assault situation.

/For example, I would think that screaming for help if you're being robbed would be a good idea, but the police in Brazil seem to think otherwise.
 
2014-05-13 12:02:16 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: fireclown: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: fireclown: doubled99: ...and why would they?

It really is something to consider.  Some places have a culture of taking assault seriously and some (**cough** penn state, UMBC**) do not.  If I were a young woman about to head into an environment full of guys who had never been ungoverned and where the whole place was chock full 'o booze and drugs, it would be something to consider.  Probably more important than the standings of it's NCAA program.

This is so farking sexist and you probably don't even realize it and/or care.

It is, I do in fact care, and I apologize.  I do not mean to lessen the severity of assault either of men or by women.  My experience with this aspect of life is through the rape of a friend of mine.  She is a woman, and I tend to view the whole thing through those red lenses.  She went the route of the "university justice system", who made EVERY effort to downplay or ignore the charges. In the end, it went nowhere.

The point is, if you are raped, don't call an administrator.  Lawyer up and call a real cop.

Agreed!


**fistbump**
 
2014-05-13 12:09:12 PM  

firefly212: The thing is, campuses work hard to fark up sexual assault data anyways... it's not a good metric to compare because it there's no way to tell which campuses have lower sexual assault rates v. which campuses have police officers who re-write reports to make it seem more like a simple battery than a sexual assault v. campuses where cops refuse to take a report at all.

I mean, not even sexual, but when i was at Oklahoma State (more than a decade ago), there was trouble with a local branch of the KKK, which had had some events on the yard of a fraternity on-campus. I wrote a letter that got co-signed by a few dozen other presidents of campus groups and organizations asking for the decking funds of the fraternity to be removed, indicating that while we support free speech, we don't want the bill for that particular kind of speech. Two days later, my apartment got smashed up, and amongst other things, they put rubbing alcohol in the water bottles that were in the fridge (not sure how they didn't think we'd notice that), they spray painted a bit on the walls, a big circle with the triangles in it, and "fark off fagots [sic]" on the wall. The campus police (as my room was on campus, real police deferred to them) entered, and the first words, I shiat you not, out of the cops mouth were "we'll probably never know who did this."

i left Oklahoma that year, I don't even go back to visit my family that lives there, I make them come visit me in CO. Anyways, campus police suck, no matter what your problem is, they don't give a fark, their job is to keep crime reporting low, so the campus looks safer on paper, regardless of reality.


I think I was around for that one too. Some frat had a costume party and a guy showed up in blackface in prisoner garb with another guy holding his chains dressed up as a jailer. Then their picture showed up on the party pix website and the shiat hit the fan.
Or maybe that was a different frat full of morons and a different incident.
 
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