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(Salon)   Years after the 2012 Election loss to Obama, Koch-sponsored conservative groups and think tanks are shocked at finding the reason: "Treating the poor like scum that should be brutally exterminated makes you look like monstrous a-holes and bad guys"   (salon.com) divider line 158
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2014-05-13 08:23:37 AM  
Glad to see Ric Romero is branching out. Making studies for political fanatic groups is an endless money pit.
 
2014-05-13 08:58:20 AM  
No moreso than the rest of the conservative/Republican/Libertarian politicos that also believe in demonizing the poor and anyone who wants to help them.
 
2014-05-13 09:10:06 AM  
The solution is clear: work to prevent poor people from voting.
 
2014-05-13 09:12:52 AM  

Dimensio: The solution is clear: work to prevent poor people from voting.


Or exterminate them.
 
2014-05-13 09:14:06 AM  
www.earthenspirituality.com
 
2014-05-13 09:16:31 AM  
My favorite part about 2012 was when the 47% video came out and Romney went weeks without trying to do any damage control because all the big name derpers thought it was awesome.
 
2014-05-13 09:18:18 AM  

Muta: Dimensio: The solution is clear: work to prevent poor people from voting.

Or exterminate them.


I'm betting that "Kill The Poor" is going to be played at the next Republican Convention.
 
2014-05-13 09:18:53 AM  
If only poor people would vote for their own self-interests like the rich do, they wouldn't be poor.
 
2014-05-13 09:19:34 AM  
classic republicans: 'we have a messaging problem, not a policy problem!'
 
KIA
2014-05-13 09:19:34 AM  
To be perfectly fair, it seems that a shockingly high number of farkers and some unknown number of "the poor" feel that "the rich" ought to be brutally exterminated and stripped of wealth too.
 
2014-05-13 09:22:30 AM  
"No, you just misunderstood us. If you understood us, you'd see that we're right."
 
2014-05-13 09:22:54 AM  

KIA: To be perfectly fair, it seems that a shockingly high number of farkers and some unknown number of "the poor" feel that "the rich" ought to be brutally exterminated and stripped of wealth too.


To be perfectly fair, civilization & society at large would benefit from the latter.
 
2014-05-13 09:24:10 AM  

Dimensio: The solution is clear: work to prevent poor people poors from voting.


/cuz poors aren't people, see
 
2014-05-13 09:24:20 AM  

Lexx: To be perfectly fair, civilization & society at large would benefit from the latter.


Nothing says "civilized society" like sanctioned murder and theft.
 
2014-05-13 09:25:22 AM  
During his acceptance speech for the nomination, Paul Ryan said this:

"A country is judged on how it treats its poor and its elderly."

Yes, that is a quote.  Yes, I did a double take and had to rewind it.

This quote is from a "numbers guy" who wants to gut or abolish the programs that take care of the poor and the elderly.

Republicans might keep saying "it's all about the messaging," but it's not.  People see the GOP's actions as the loathsome, despicable actions that they are.  They will never regain the presidency until they return to an area closer to the political center, not out on the fringe right wing that they currently occupy.
 
2014-05-13 09:26:46 AM  

KIA: To be perfectly fair, it seems that a shockingly high number of farkers and some unknown number of "the poor" feel that "the rich" ought to be brutally exterminated and stripped of wealth too.


The non rich are pretty much Nazis, trying to Holocaust the Koch Brothers with mean words.
 
2014-05-13 09:27:47 AM  

GoldSpider: Lexx: To be perfectly fair, civilization & society at large would benefit from the latter.

Nothing says "civilized society" like sanctioned murder and theft.


You think the rich aren't doing exactly this right now?
 
KIA
2014-05-13 09:28:46 AM  

Lexx: To be perfectly fair, civilization & society at large would benefit from the latter.


If you're going to play by those rules, why wouldn't the rich actually try to kill off the poor?

See, this is the fundamental problem of the socialists / progressives / whatever the flavor of the day is used to make theft seem more palatable: they want a separate set of rules to apply to certain groups but not themselves.
 
2014-05-13 09:30:32 AM  

KIA: Lexx: To be perfectly fair, civilization & society at large would benefit from the latter.

If you're going to play by those rules, why wouldn't the rich actually try to kill off the poor?

See, this is the fundamental problem of the socialists / progressives / whatever the flavor of the day is used to make theft seem more palatable: they want a separate set of rules to apply to certain groups but not themselves.


lolwut
 
2014-05-13 09:31:06 AM  

thanksagainandagain: You think the rich aren't doing exactly this right now?


Murdering the poor and stealing....  what exactly?
 
KIA
2014-05-13 09:31:20 AM  

Dog Welder: who wants to gut or abolish the programs that take care of the poor and the elderly.


Actually, the Ryan plan did neither.  It simply reduced the rate of increase in those programs by something like 2%.
 
2014-05-13 09:33:03 AM  

KIA: Lexx: To be perfectly fair, civilization & society at large would benefit from the latter.

If you're going to play by those rules, why wouldn't the rich actually try to kill off the poor?

See, this is the fundamental problem of the socialists / progressives / whatever the flavor of the day is used to make theft seem more palatable: they want a separate set of rules to apply to certain groups but not themselves.


neat, a taxes legal theft guy.
 
KIA
2014-05-13 09:34:59 AM  

Headso: neat, a taxes legal theft guy.


Are you saying it isn't?  Please explain.
 
2014-05-13 09:35:18 AM  

Richard C Stanford: Muta: Dimensio: The solution is clear: work to prevent poor people from voting.

Or exterminate them.

I'm betting that "Kill The Poor" is going to be played at the next Republican Convention.


Followed by an immediate lawsuit by the song's copyright owner, who is not very fond of Republicans.
 
2014-05-13 09:37:23 AM  

KIA: Headso: neat, a taxes legal theft guy.

Are you saying it isn't?  Please explain.


explaining that seems like a lot of work...
 
2014-05-13 09:39:18 AM  

KIA: Headso: neat, a taxes legal theft guy.

Are you saying it isn't?  Please explain.


You made a good point about the armchair revolutionaries on Fark. You should have quit while you were ahead.
 
2014-05-13 09:40:18 AM  

Richard C Stanford: Muta: Dimensio: The solution is clear: work to prevent poor people from voting.

Or exterminate them.

I'm betting that "Kill The Poor" is going to be played at the next Republican Convention.


Fark the Poor.
 
KIA
2014-05-13 09:41:34 AM  

Wendy's Chili: You made a good point about the armchair revolutionaries on Fark. You should have quit while you were ahead.


Lol - there is no winning here.  Only patiently continuing to try to sow seeds of wisdom.  It is mostly barren ground. Mostly.
 
2014-05-13 09:43:40 AM  

KIA: Lexx: To be perfectly fair, civilization & society at large would benefit from the latter.

If you're going to play by those rules, why wouldn't the rich actually try to kill off the poor?

See, this is the fundamental problem of the socialists / progressives / whatever the flavor of the day is used to make theft seem more palatable: they want a separate set of rules to apply to certain groups but not themselves.


Because the relationship is parasitic. The rich need the poor in order to be rich. The poor will be poor with or without the rich.

*thinks it is wrong to punish success
**thinks it is wrong to praise excess
***screw slashies!
 
2014-05-13 09:45:02 AM  
Not like they actually "learned" anything from it, they are hammering away with Tea-Party candidates in poor states and I heard a collection of morons (from Missouri or Mississippi) this morning on NPR talking about how we need to reduce spending despite the fact that the 7 term senator they are seeking to unseat has brought tons of money to that shiathole.
 
2014-05-13 09:45:18 AM  

GoldSpider: Lexx: To be perfectly fair, civilization & society at large would benefit from the latter.

Nothing says "civilized society" like sanctioned murder and theft.


Do you not understand what the word "latter" means?
 
2014-05-13 09:45:23 AM  

GoldSpider: Lexx: To be perfectly fair, civilization & society at large would benefit from the latter.

Nothing says "civilized society" like sanctioned murder and theft.


Which is how the wealthy got their wealth in the first place, of course.
 
2014-05-13 09:46:19 AM  
You can't be anti-poor voter, anti-immigrant and anti-birth control at the same time.  That's madness.
 
2014-05-13 09:47:36 AM  

Discordulator: KIA: Lexx: To be perfectly fair, civilization & society at large would benefit from the latter.

If you're going to play by those rules, why wouldn't the rich actually try to kill off the poor?

See, this is the fundamental problem of the socialists / progressives / whatever the flavor of the day is used to make theft seem more palatable: they want a separate set of rules to apply to certain groups but not themselves.

Because the relationship is parasitic. The rich need the poor in order to be rich. The poor will be poor with or without the rich.

*thinks it is wrong to punish success
**thinks it is wrong to praise excess
***screw slashies!


Two turds in a bowl.
 
MFK
2014-05-13 09:48:33 AM  

KIA: Headso: neat, a taxes legal theft guy.

Are you saying it isn't?  Please explain.


omfg.
 
2014-05-13 09:50:57 AM  

KIA: Are you saying it isn't? Please explain.


Because you can, at any point in time, choose to leave this society and cease paying taxes. Seriously. The border is that way. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out if you're tired of being 'robbed'.

Taxes are your rent for living in society. They pay for upkeep (And yes. Social services are a form of upkeep. Whether you like it or not.) Unless you're saying rent, or paying for things in general, is ALSO legal theft?
 
2014-05-13 09:51:12 AM  

MFK: KIA: Headso: neat, a taxes legal theft guy.

Are you saying it isn't?  Please explain.

omfg.


How DO they figure out how to use a web site?
 
KIA
2014-05-13 09:52:06 AM  

MFK: omfg.


Fantastic explanation.  Concise.  Terse, even.  Brilliant in its' exposition and keen in its' conclusion.  *slow clap*
 
2014-05-13 09:52:36 AM  

CorporatePerson: My favorite part about 2012 was when the 47% video came out and Romney went weeks without trying to do any damage control because all the big name derpers thought it was awesome.


You could advocate rounding up the poor and selling their organs to pay off the debt and you would get a solid 25% support from the GOP base.
 
KIA
2014-05-13 09:53:26 AM  

Felgraf: Unless you're saying rent, or paying for things in general, is ALSO legal theft?


Rent implies ownership.  Didn't we fight several wars to establish that Americans aren't owned, that a free people cannot be owned as chattel?
 
2014-05-13 09:54:15 AM  
The best part of all this is that my evangelist conservatard teaparty-esque aunt and uncle in MO are planning on NOT voting republican this round because, "They are liars and don't care about their fellow human beings".  I don't think they're going to vote against their beliefs, like for a full on lib, but they'd rather not vote at all than vote for the current republican/conservative mouthpieces.
 
2014-05-13 09:56:39 AM  

KIA: See, this is the fundamental problem of the socialists / progressives / whatever the flavor of the day is used to make theft seem more palatable: they want a separate set of rules to apply to certain groups but not themselves.


No....we want the same rules.  For everyone.  If you've been paying any attention at all, you'd know that the rich have been playing by a set of rules that they made up for themselves.  They don't get prosecuted when they commit crimes.  They don't pay nearly as much in taxes.  They get undue political influence.  They are able to pass laws requiring poor people to patronize their businesses (see Rick Scott).  They get tax breaks for moving jobs overseas.  They don't have to pay wages that keep up with gains in productivity or inflation.  They get to gamble with the poors' retirement money.  Etc., etc.

For the last 30-40 years, there has been "theft," but it's been done by the rich, to the poor.  That's what we want to end.  But if you want to keep being a retard and viewing THAT as theft, then go right ahead.  It's a free country, or at least it's as free as your masters allow it to be.
 
2014-05-13 09:58:15 AM  

KIA: To be perfectly fair, it seems that a shockingly high number of farkers and some unknown number of "the poor" feel that "the rich" ought to be brutally exterminated and stripped of wealth too.


Well, killing off the parasites infecting a host is usually the preferred method of dealing with a parasitic infection.
 
2014-05-13 09:59:13 AM  

KIA: Felgraf: Unless you're saying rent, or paying for things in general, is ALSO legal theft?

Rent implies ownership.  Didn't we fight several wars to establish that Americans aren't owned, that a free people cannot be owned as chattel?


... What?

Are you saying, then, that a person who rents an apartment is a 'slave' to the landlord?
 
2014-05-13 09:59:43 AM  

Felgraf: Unless you're saying rent, or paying for things in general, is ALSO legal theft?


The fact that I can't have a new sports car for free is legal theft.  The fact that beer costs money is legal theft.  Etc.
 
KIA
2014-05-13 10:00:19 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: For the last 30-40 years, there has been "theft," but it's been done by the rich, to the poor.


So, if they don't like it, why don't they leave?  That was the suggestion made above to the rich.

If the rich ever do leave - and you seem hell-bent on giving them any number of reasons to do so (Aristotle identified that dynamic more than 2000 years ago and explained why it is inevitable that they will be driven out) - who will the poor tax then to support themselves?
 
MFK
2014-05-13 10:00:45 AM  

KIA: MFK: omfg.

Fantastic explanation.  Concise.  Terse, even.  Brilliant in its' exposition and keen in its' conclusion.  *slow clap*


I know I shouldn't be shocked at the depths of utter cluelessness and stupidity that exist in our society but here we are.
 
2014-05-13 10:02:04 AM  
But mom, it's so hard to not be loathsome and despicable monsters.  Can't we just say we aren't?
 
2014-05-13 10:02:54 AM  

Richard C Stanford: Muta: Dimensio: The solution is clear: work to prevent poor people from voting.

Or exterminate them.

I'm betting that "Kill The Poor" is going to be played at the next Republican Convention.


DNC could counter with "eat the rich"
 
2014-05-13 10:04:08 AM  

KIA: Dog Welder: who wants to gut or abolish the programs that take care of the poor and the elderly.

Actually, the Ryan plan did neither.  It simply reduced the rate of increase in those programs by something like 2%.


Capped it at 0.5%, which doesn't even keep up with inflation.  Oh, and would cut $135 billion from SNAP, cap block amounts given to the states for SNAP (which would not allow states to respond to economic downturns when assistance is needed).  Then there's another $500 billion in "unspecified cuts" to parts of the budget that contain benefits to low income families, all the while giving tax handouts to corporations.  Because, hey, fark the poor and the hungry.  Isn't that inscribed on the Statue of Liberty or in the Bible somewhere?
 
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