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(Ars Technica)   Microsoft: Maybe forcing people to pay for access to services that they already subscribe to (and that are free to access on every other device in existence) isn't the greatest idea we've ever had   (arstechnica.com) divider line 127
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2014-05-13 12:38:43 AM
i290.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-13 12:49:30 AM
What's the point of having an Xbox without Xbox Live?
 
2014-05-13 01:20:23 AM
A la carte is the greatest thing ever invented.  You just have to make sure your carte has the right slots in it.

I swear to God that Gates saw UNIX in 1976, and he couldn't handle the truth.
 
2014-05-13 02:35:20 AM
Xbox sucks
 
2014-05-13 02:53:21 AM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Xbox sucks


Combine that with streaming porn and I might buy one.
 
2014-05-13 04:58:17 AM
It may not have been the greatest idea, but that's kind of like trying to pick out Michael Jordan's best shot.  If anything, people should pay more in order to use applications on the Xbox One™ home entertainment system, the world's leader in interactive entertainment.  Whether I'm starting my day with the Nike Trainer™, falsifying business reports with Microsoft Word™, or threatening younger children on Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare™, it's no contest: Xbox One is less powerful and more expensive than the competition.  Wow.  I can't wait to see what surprises are on my next paycheck from Microsoft™.
 
2014-05-13 06:26:06 AM
FTFA: Either way, we've been told that the possible change in policy is directly linked to a changing of the Xbox guard after Don Mattrick left the company to become Zynga's CEO.

I think pretty much everyone had concluded that Mattrick was pushing all the decisions that nearly buried the XBO before it was ever released, but it's nice to hear the company actually admit it.  God, Zynga is the perfect fit for him.  I can hardly wait to hear how their next web game requires a monthly subscription to expand the window larger than the default size, or some similar garbage.


Anyway, in other news, I might actually buy an XBO now.  I mean, if I ever get money.  Still, the "paywall for services you already pay for" idiocy was really the last objection I had to it, other than the Metro interface being a disorganized mess.  That I can at least live with.  And I do like the Dead Rising series.
 
2014-05-13 06:34:23 AM

clancifer: What's the point of having an Xbox without Xbox Live?


Don't want to pay for another membership especially so I can stream Netflix. I have an XBox Live membership once, and played GTA 4 multiplayer. Real unpleasant, more than a few players always acted like jerks no matter what group I was in. Was way worse than playing in MMoRPGs like Everquest or World of Warcraft. After my three month Live membership was due for renewal, I just let it end.
 
2014-05-13 06:48:54 AM

clancifer: What's the point of having an Xbox without Xbox Live?


Single player games.
 
2014-05-13 06:52:45 AM
Nobody tell Drew about this, OK?
 
2014-05-13 07:03:20 AM
Still better than the half ass shiat Sony gives you
/Wake me up when Sony sells a million copies for PS4 of a single game
//Wait! Wake me up when it's a AAA game for PS4
 
2014-05-13 07:08:17 AM
A good book will provide hours of top notch entertainment and only costs a couple bucks plus you don't need to deal with all these stupid hassles.
 
2014-05-13 07:24:59 AM
Perhaps paying anything for Gold Live is for suckers, but paying full price for Gold Live is for bigger suckers.
 
2014-05-13 07:25:22 AM

Muta: A good book will provide hours of top notch entertainment and only costs a couple bucks plus you don't need to deal with all these stupid hassles.


A couple of bucks? When is the last time you bought a book, 1986?
 
2014-05-13 07:39:23 AM

Muta: A good book will provide hours of top notch entertainment and only costs a couple bucks plus you don't need to deal with all these stupid hassles.


That's nice.  We're talking about video games now.
 
2014-05-13 07:40:24 AM
I'm surprised it took them this long.

they already set precedent with BBC iPlayer, as that is available on the free Xbox Live service due to the BBC refusing to let them stick it behind the paywall (due to BBC licensing issues, you are not alowed to charge for BBC services).
 
2014-05-13 07:55:53 AM

Pinko_Commie: I'm surprised it took them this long.

they already set precedent with BBC iPlayer, as that is available on the free Xbox Live service due to the BBC refusing to let them stick it behind the paywall (due to BBC licensing issues, you are not alowed to charge for BBC services).


If that surprises you, you underestimate the sheer bloody-mindedness of Microsoft.  They will nickel-and-dime you every chance they get.
 
2014-05-13 08:01:38 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: Still better than the half ass shiat Sony gives you
/Wake me up when Sony sells a million copies for PS4 of a single game
//Wait! Wake me up when it's a AAA game for PS4


Not sure if serious but PS4 has 7 million+ sellers while XB1 has 5 so far. CoD:G tops  both systems easily, but they both have at least bone exclusive million+ seller (infamous for PS4).
 
2014-05-13 08:10:59 AM

yukichigai: I think pretty much everyone had concluded that Mattrick was pushing all the decisions that nearly buried the XBO before it was ever released, but it's nice to hear the company actually admit it.


Mattrick had a lot of good ideas, and nutjob "gamers" afraid of change buried the Xbone. All digital? Digital sharing and selling? He was halfway to making a better version of Steam but it was clear he kept having to compromise. They could've cut the optical drive and put in a huge HDD.

Instead they dialed it all back and just put out a 360 with better specs. Who needs that?
 
2014-05-13 08:16:03 AM

yukichigai: FTFA: Either way, we've been told that the possible change in policy is directly linked to a changing of the Xbox guard after Don Mattrick left the company to become Zynga's CEO.

I think pretty much everyone had concluded that Mattrick was pushing all the decisions that nearly buried the XBO before it was ever released, but it's nice to hear the company actually admit it.  God, Zynga is the perfect fit for him.  I can hardly wait to hear how their next web game requires a monthly subscription to expand the window larger than the default size, or some similar garbage.


Anyway, in other news, I might actually buy an XBO now.I mean, if I ever get money.  Still, the "paywall for services you already pay for" idiocy was really the last objection I had to it, other than the Metro interface being a disorganized mess.  That I can at least live with.  And I do like the Dead Rising series.


Don't do it.

nunyadang: Muta: A good book will provide hours of top notch entertainment and only costs a couple bucks plus you don't need to deal with all these stupid hassles.

A couple of bucks? When is the last time you bought a book, 1986?


HAHA, yea no shiat.
 
2014-05-13 08:19:37 AM

moothemagiccow: yukichigai: I think pretty much everyone had concluded that Mattrick was pushing all the decisions that nearly buried the XBO before it was ever released, but it's nice to hear the company actually admit it.

Mattrick had a lot of good ideas, and nutjob "gamers" afraid of change buried the Xbone. All digital? Digital sharing and selling? He was halfway to making a better version of Steam but it was clear he kept having to compromise. They could've cut the optical drive and put in a huge HDD.

Instead they dialed it all back and just put out a 360 with better specs. Who needs that?


Yeah, vendor lock-in and the end of game ownership are great changes to make.
 
2014-05-13 08:19:57 AM

ryarger: drjekel_mrhyde: Still better than the half ass shiat Sony gives you
/Wake me up when Sony sells a million copies for PS4 of a single game
//Wait! Wake me up when it's a AAA game for PS4

Not sure if serious but PS4 has 7 million+ sellers while XB1 has 5 so far. CoD:G tops  both systems easily, but they both have at least bone exclusive million+ seller (infamous for PS4).


7 million units sold yet only 18 million games sold in 6 months. Every time Sony sells one it's at a loss. They need those license fees from games bad since the whole company is going to shiat. Selling off their stake in Square, No 4K TV's anytime soon, lower than expected Blu-Ray sales, and on and on.
/Sony has no other choice but to keep saying it's PS4 sales numbers every month to keep investors from running.
 
2014-05-13 08:20:29 AM

clancifer: What's the point of having an Xbox without Xbox Live?


Playing games...?
 
2014-05-13 08:30:02 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: ryarger: drjekel_mrhyde: Still better than the half ass shiat Sony gives you
/Wake me up when Sony sells a million copies for PS4 of a single game
//Wait! Wake me up when it's a AAA game for PS4

Not sure if serious but PS4 has 7 million+ sellers while XB1 has 5 so far. CoD:G tops  both systems easily, but they both have at least bone exclusive million+ seller (infamous for PS4).

7 million units sold yet only 18 million games sold in 6 months. Every time Sony sells one it's at a loss. They need those license fees from games bad since the whole company is going to shiat. Selling off their stake in Square, No 4K TV's anytime soon, lower than expected Blu-Ray sales, and on and on.
/Sony has no other choice but to keep saying it's PS4 sales numbers every month to keep investors from running.


You misunderstand, there are seven games for the PS4 that have sold a million+ copies. XB1 has had only five.
 
2014-05-13 08:32:41 AM

HeartBurnKid: moothemagiccow: yukichigai: I think pretty much everyone had concluded that Mattrick was pushing all the decisions that nearly buried the XBO before it was ever released, but it's nice to hear the company actually admit it.

Mattrick had a lot of good ideas, and nutjob "gamers" afraid of change buried the Xbone. All digital? Digital sharing and selling? He was halfway to making a better version of Steam but it was clear he kept having to compromise. They could've cut the optical drive and put in a huge HDD.

Instead they dialed it all back and just put out a 360 with better specs. Who needs that?

Yeah, vendor lock-in and the end of game ownership are great changes to make.


As opposed to what? Using discs like it's 1998? People do nothing but champion Steam for doing the exact same thing, and Apple didn't exactly fail for making you use the App Store. You can't sell your Steam or AppStore games, but you could have sold and shared your Xbone games. The problem is they watered it down because vocal "gamers" hate change.
 
2014-05-13 08:53:01 AM

moothemagiccow: ttrick had a lot of good ideas, and nutjob "gamers" afraid of change buried the Xbone. All digital? Digital sharing and selling? He was halfway to making a better version of Steam but it was clear he kept having to compromise. They could've cut the optical drive and put in a huge HDD.


Yeah, this.  The original XBO design was clearly taking on steam in the living room as a main competitor and pretty much ignoring the PS4.  The design fit my usage fine, I wasn't super keen on the 24 hour check in but since that framework would allow me to trade and loan games to my brother who lives some distance away I was willing to put up with it.  I don't really blame the outrage on the gamers though.  A small portion of the outrage was from PC master race members and Sony fanboys but mostly it was ordinary folks who just didn't understand what was being presented and honestly the fault for poor communication lies with Microsoft.  They were off message more than they were on it and they did nothing to sell the benefits.  They let the drawbacks dominate the conversation and pretended that they weren't bad at all.  The only problem about this is that the whole conversation became about what was wrong and nobody stopped to say what was right. Anybody who tried was shouted down and accused of being a shill by a bunch of emotionally stunted man children who no perspective.
 
2014-05-13 08:53:14 AM

drjekel_mrhyde: ryarger: drjekel_mrhyde: Still better than the half ass shiat Sony gives you
/Wake me up when Sony sells a million copies for PS4 of a single game
//Wait! Wake me up when it's a AAA game for PS4

Not sure if serious but PS4 has 7 million+ sellers while XB1 has 5 so far. CoD:G tops  both systems easily, but they both have at least bone exclusive million+ seller (infamous for PS4).

7 million units sold yet only 18 million games sold in 6 months. Every time Sony sells one it's at a loss. They need those license fees from games bad since the whole company is going to shiat. Selling off their stake in Square, No 4K TV's anytime soon, lower than expected Blu-Ray sales, and on and on.
/Sony has no other choice but to keep saying it's PS4 sales numbers every month to keep investors from running.


I'm not sure where you are getting your figures from, but so far you'd been wrong pretty much every time.

Sony isn't at 18 million software, it's at 20.5 million  as of last month.  That's just a shade under 3 games per console, which is pretty good for this early.  Ditto fo increased psplus sales as well.  IIRC, they only need to sell a single game to be profitable for the ps4.

Likewise, they have several million sellers so far, including two exclusives: Infamous SS (1 million), and Killzone SF (2 million).

They already have a 4k TV as well, iirc, but they are spinning off their TV business.  Square isn't really to profitable these days, and being multiplatform, their share isn't buying them too many exclusives from them.

Also, what the hell does any of this have to do with the article?  MS was the only maker forcing you rto pay extra to use subscriptions to services outside their control.  It was a stupid as hell decision that was pure greed form MS.  No one else, be it a console maker, PC maker, etc, changed extra for those services.
 
2014-05-13 09:01:05 AM

yukichigai: FTFA: Either way, we've been told that the possible change in policy is directly linked to a changing of the Xbox guard after Don Mattrick left the company to become Zynga's CEO.

I think pretty much everyone had concluded that Mattrick was pushing all the decisions that nearly buried the XBO before it was ever released, but it's nice to hear the company actually admit it.  God, Zynga is the perfect fit for him.  I can hardly wait to hear how their next web game requires a monthly subscription to expand the window larger than the default size, or some similar garbage.


Anyway, in other news, I might actually buy an XBO now. I mean, if I ever get money.  Still, the "paywall for services you already pay for" idiocy was really the last objection I had to it, other than the Metro interface being a disorganized mess.  That I can at least live with.  And I do like the Dead Rising series.


Mattrik may have been the publicized face for the always online DRM, but Microsoft backed his play 100% until they realized that gamers weren't as stupid as they thought. Then they let him take all the heat. That way they can save face and get their customers back (bolded part of your second paragraph proves it's working). Don't even think for a second that Microsoft wanted nothing to do with the heavy-handed DRM features that they attempted to pull off. The board member all had to see their doctors due to erections lasting longer than 4 hours when they thought of what they might get away with.

/dons foil hat
 
2014-05-13 09:13:42 AM

Egoy3k: moothemagiccow: ttrick had a lot of good ideas, and nutjob "gamers" afraid of change buried the Xbone. All digital? Digital sharing and selling? He was halfway to making a better version of Steam but it was clear he kept having to compromise. They could've cut the optical drive and put in a huge HDD.

Yeah, this.  The original XBO design was clearly taking on steam in the living room as a main competitor and pretty much ignoring the PS4.  The design fit my usage fine, I wasn't super keen on the 24 hour check in but since that framework would allow me to trade and loan games to my brother who lives some distance away I was willing to put up with it.  I don't really blame the outrage on the gamers though.  A small portion of the outrage was from PC master race members and Sony fanboys but mostly it was ordinary folks who just didn't understand what was being presented and honestly the fault for poor communication lies with Microsoft.  They were off message more than they were on it and they did nothing to sell the benefits.  They let the drawbacks dominate the conversation and pretended that they weren't bad at all.  The only problem about this is that the whole conversation became about what was wrong and nobody stopped to say what was right. Anybody who tried was shouted down and accused of being a shill by a bunch of emotionally stunted man children who no perspective.


Mattrick was an industrial-sized douche-nozzle. He should have spent his time winning people over. Instead, he spent his time criticizing and mocking the people he expected to buy his console--people with legitimate questions.   I use Steam, and love it. But with Mattrick's all-digital system, you would never have seen a $14.99 AAA title, or two HUGE annual sales ($5 off the season pass doesn't count as a sale, it counts as a promotion). It would have been $60+ for everything. 1-year old game? F- you pay me. 3-year old game? F- you, pay me.

And there were too many ambiguities about how the whole thing would work. This overwhelming feeling that we were all going to get screwed once we got home and plugged in.  They wouldn't answer direct questions, which further indicated that they either didn't know, or wouldn't say. Both of which indicated it wasn't ready for release.

And pardon me, but I don't think asking for details and clarification qualifies as being emotionally stunted. It's indicative of someone who has played video games for decades, and is used to being routinely screwed by fine-print and omissions. Man-child? Sure, I'll own that.  But I got perspective for days, son.
 
2014-05-13 09:14:50 AM

moothemagiccow: HeartBurnKid: moothemagiccow: yukichigai: I think pretty much everyone had concluded that Mattrick was pushing all the decisions that nearly buried the XBO before it was ever released, but it's nice to hear the company actually admit it.

Mattrick had a lot of good ideas, and nutjob "gamers" afraid of change buried the Xbone. All digital? Digital sharing and selling? He was halfway to making a better version of Steam but it was clear he kept having to compromise. They could've cut the optical drive and put in a huge HDD.

Instead they dialed it all back and just put out a 360 with better specs. Who needs that?

Yeah, vendor lock-in and the end of game ownership are great changes to make.

As opposed to what? Using discs like it's 1998?


Well, they could use flash cards or something, but what's wrong with discs exactly?

People do nothing but champion Steam for doing the exact same thing,

Steam charges very little for games much of the time, and there's no vendor lock-in on PC.

and Apple didn't exactly fail for making you use the App Store.

Yeah, I'm not a fan of Apple either.

You can't sell your Steam or AppStore games, but you could have sold and shared your Xbone games.

You could have sold and shared your Xbone games if the publishers let you.  You forget that part.  The entire thing was a sop to the publishers who spent the entire X360/PS3 generation complaining about the used game market.

As for not being able to sell Steam games, when I bought a $50 game for $10, I'm OK with not being able to sell it.  At that point, I just consider it a perpetual rental.

The problem is they watered it down because vocal "gamers" hate change.

No, the problem is you're a myopic fanboy.
 
2014-05-13 09:26:36 AM

clancifer: What's the point of having an Xbox without Xbox Live?


Coming from the ps3 world where Netflix was free to use I was shocked, shocked! To be asked to pay for a service that I'm already paying for and didn't have to pay another firm to use.

Eat a bag of virtual dicks MSFT.

Oh and it didn't help that after they took $60 out of my pet cats mouth 3 months later I got an email from them saying the subscription was cancelled. 3 hours later after chatting with tech support they gave me some free credits.

I have no faith in msft accounting system either.
 
2014-05-13 09:31:43 AM

Egoy3k: A small portion of the outrage was from PC master race members and Sony fanboys but mostly it was ordinary folks who just didn't understand what was being presented and honestly the fault for poor communication lies with Microsoft.


That is a pretty broad brush you are painting with. I absolutely understood what they were trying to pull and it absolutely convinced me to not buy an XBONE. I might not have a typical scenario, but I work offshore and overseas. A region locked, always online system is not unfeasible and even if it were, I would not support them in their efforts. I think the opposite is true, in that most of the people supporting their efforts didn't understand what was presented. Does a NES still work 25 years down the road? It doesnt need a server structure to tell it to work so yes, it does. Would the XBONE have continued to work 25 years down the road? We will never know as they wisely changed theirs stance, but the smart money would be on no, no it wouldn't.
 
2014-05-13 09:35:08 AM
I'm a 41-year old guy who stopped buying CD's for Spotify, transferred his existing CD's to MP3's and put them in the Cloud and ripped his DVD collection to a local server.

Why the fark do I have to look at video game boxes and swap out media?

It was farking ridiculous.
 
2014-05-13 09:37:44 AM
I guess they figured with all the streaming service providers like Netflix have to pay ISP's now that it was time to stop.  I never really understood needing to have gold to use those services.  Paying to play I understood.  Keeping up a network like that is costly and Xbox Live has always been superior to PSN as far as reliability and security goes which is why I think Sony wised up and started making people pay to play for the PS4.
 
2014-05-13 09:41:03 AM

lelio: Oh and it didn't help that after they took $60 out of my pet cats mouth


If at any point you had to sit down and ask yourself "should I pay for [insert form of entertainment here] or feed my pets", then maybe even having a houseplant is too much responsibility for you. Microsoft didn't come to your house, force you to purchase a $300 console, then another $60 for XBL.

/cheap owner is bad owner
 
2014-05-13 09:41:48 AM

RobotSpider: And pardon me, but I don't think asking for details and clarification qualifies as being emotionally stunted. It's indicative of someone who has played video games for decades, and is used to being routinely screwed by fine-print and omissions. Man-child? Sure, I'll own that.  But I got perspective for days, son.


Did you accuse people who disagreed with you of being paid schill and shout down any legitimate pros that they were seeing from the changes? no? Then that comment did not apply to you. Reading is important.
 
2014-05-13 09:41:58 AM

Antimatter: Sony isn't at 18 million software, it's at 20.5 million as of last month. That's just a shade under 3 games per console, which is pretty good for this early. Ditto fo increased psplus sales as well. IIRC, they only need to sell a single game to be profitable for the ps4.


Where are you getting those facts?  VGChartz says 17.04 PS4 software, I think you are lumping in PS3 and Vita sales.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS4&genre= &m inSales=0&results=200

With Xbox being at 13.02 globally

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=XOne&genre =& minSales=0&results=200

PS4 2.4 games per console vs XB One 2.61 so basically the same.
 
2014-05-13 09:44:03 AM

lelio: Oh and it didn't help that after they took $60 out of my pet cats mouth 3 months later I got an email from them saying the subscription was cancelled. 3 hours later after chatting with tech support they gave me some free credits.


Only idiots pay full price for live so........

Live you can always find for $40 online, I usually wait till it's $35 and buy 2 years at a time until my account is maxed.
 
2014-05-13 09:46:01 AM

Skarekrough: I'm a 41-year old guy who stopped buying CD's for Spotify, transferred his existing CD's to MP3's and put them in the Cloud and ripped his DVD collection to a local server.

Why the fark do I have to look at video game boxes and swap out media?

It was farking ridiculous.


Console makers are still in this odd mindset that they profit more from physical copies than digital ones. The only company even starting to see the light is Sony, seeing the numbers for the Vita and realizing that 70% of their sales on that platform are digital. You give people a medium to download games for prices that don't suck, and people will flock to it.

There's a long road ahead, but they'll all have to get on the digital bandwagon soon or fall seriously behind.
 
2014-05-13 09:46:17 AM

RoxtarRyan: If at any point you had to sit down and ask yourself "should I pay for [insert form of entertainment here] or feed my pets", then maybe even having a houseplant is too much responsibility for you. Microsoft didn't come to your house, force you to purchase a $300 console, then another $60 for XBL.

/cheap owner is bad owner


There is a common saying "take money out of my kid's mouths."  It does not literally mean not feeding your kids, it means "this is money i could have spent elsewhere," or "they farked me over."  The humor here is that he doesn't have kids, but does have a cat.  So he amusingly juxtaposed an old saying about human offspring and the ownership of a smaller member of the felidae family.

I hope Teir's humor explanation service has been helpful.  You will receive an invoice in 6-10 business days.
 
2014-05-13 09:53:03 AM

Teiritzamna: There is a common saying "take money out of my kid's mouths."


I'm guessing it's a thing from the south.
 
2014-05-13 10:00:47 AM
Glorious PC gaming race.jpg

When we talk about console gaming peasants, this is what we mean.
 
2014-05-13 10:00:59 AM

chozo13: Egoy3k: A small portion of the outrage was from PC master race members and Sony fanboys but mostly it was ordinary folks who just didn't understand what was being presented and honestly the fault for poor communication lies with Microsoft.

That is a pretty broad brush you are painting with. I absolutely understood what they were trying to pull and it absolutely convinced me to not buy an XBONE. I might not have a typical scenario, but I work offshore and overseas. A region locked, always online system is not unfeasible and even if it were, I would not support them in their efforts. I think the opposite is true, in that most of the people supporting their efforts didn't understand what was presented. Does a NES still work 25 years down the road? It doesnt need a server structure to tell it to work so yes, it does. Would the XBONE have continued to work 25 years down the road? We will never know as they wisely changed theirs stance, but the smart money would be on no, no it wouldn't.


Ugh, FTFM
 
2014-05-13 10:01:46 AM

quiotu: Skarekrough: I'm a 41-year old guy who stopped buying CD's for Spotify, transferred his existing CD's to MP3's and put them in the Cloud and ripped his DVD collection to a local server.

Why the fark do I have to look at video game boxes and swap out media?

It was farking ridiculous.

Console makers are still in this odd mindset that they profit more from physical copies than digital ones. The only company even starting to see the light is Sony, seeing the numbers for the Vita and realizing that 70% of their sales on that platform are digital. You give people a medium to download games for prices that don't suck, and people will flock to it.

There's a long road ahead, but they'll all have to get on the digital bandwagon soon or fall seriously behind.


Shortly after the announcement was made I was in GameStop and the staff were bad-mouthing the console.  Most of the points they made were pretty frivilous and short-sighted.  After awhile it occurred to be that largely they disliked the XBO because their livelihood was going to be shut out of the equation with digital delivery and no resale.

I tried to draw a parallel between the CD shops I used to frequent (haunt) before the iTunes store and Spotify but I couldn't; for as much as the shops had the potential to hurt (and believe me, they have) they were still at heart consumers who were fans at heart.
 
2014-05-13 10:06:52 AM
fc02.deviantart.net
 
2014-05-13 10:07:25 AM

TNel: Antimatter: Sony isn't at 18 million software, it's at 20.5 million as of last month. That's just a shade under 3 games per console, which is pretty good for this early. Ditto fo increased psplus sales as well. IIRC, they only need to sell a single game to be profitable for the ps4.

Where are you getting those facts?  VGChartz says 17.04 PS4 software, I think you are lumping in PS3 and Vita sales.

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS4&genre= &m inSales=0&results=200

With Xbox being at 13.02 globally

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=XOne&genre =& minSales=0&results=200

PS4 2.4 games per console vs XB One 2.61 so basically the same.


VG chartz is basically a guess, in no way is it accurate.  My numbers came from the numbers announced last month:

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/04/16/ps4-hits-7-million-globall y/ #sf2613495

There is the psblog post about it.  It mentions nothing about vita or ps3 sales for that number, that's all ps4 sales.
 
2014-05-13 10:12:38 AM
RobotSpider:
Mattrick was an industrial-sized douche-nozzle. He should have spent his time winning people over. Instead, he spent his time criticizing and mocking the people he expected to buy his console--people with legitimate questions.   I use Steam, and love it. But with Mattrick's all-digital system, you would never have seen a $14.99 AAA title, or two HUGE annual sales ($5 off the season pass doesn't count as a sale, it counts as a promotion). It would have been $60+ for everything. 1-year old game? F- you pay me. 3-year old game? F- you, pay me.

Here's a perfect example which illustrates how this would have worked. At a big box store, where you can actually get the damn disk, Diablo III is $40 or less. On XBox Live, it's $60. Should I pay $20 extra dollars to use my (limited by the cable company) bandwidth and store the game on my hard drive, or maybe pay less, use only a small portion of my drive, and none of my bandwidth.

If Mattrick had his way, only the digital version for a game that's been out two years at full price would be available.
 
2014-05-13 10:12:50 AM

madgonad: Glorious PC gaming race.jpg

When we talk about console gaming peasants, this is what we mean.


Limiting your options because of an internet meme isn't glorious, but pretty dumb.
 
2014-05-13 10:18:39 AM

Antimatter: VG chartz is basically a guess, in no way is it accurate. My numbers came from the numbers announced last month:http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/04/16/ps4-hits-7-million-glo ball y/ #sf2613495There is the psblog post about it. It mentions nothing about vita or ps3 sales for that number, that's all ps4 sales.


So if it's just a guess for PS4 then it's just a guess for XB One and their numbers would be also higher so it still stands that more software per console is flowing through the Xbox versus PS4.  So either Sony sells more to sellers that are holding them and not selling to consumers or PS4 people aren't buying games like the Xbox people are.
 
2014-05-13 10:19:23 AM

luidprand: RobotSpider:
Mattrick was an industrial-sized douche-nozzle. He should have spent his time winning people over. Instead, he spent his time criticizing and mocking the people he expected to buy his console--people with legitimate questions.   I use Steam, and love it. But with Mattrick's all-digital system, you would never have seen a $14.99 AAA title, or two HUGE annual sales ($5 off the season pass doesn't count as a sale, it counts as a promotion). It would have been $60+ for everything. 1-year old game? F- you pay me. 3-year old game? F- you, pay me.

Here's a perfect example which illustrates how this would have worked. At a big box store, where you can actually get the damn disk, Diablo III is $40 or less. On XBox Live, it's $60. Should I pay $20 extra dollars to use my (limited by the cable company) bandwidth and store the game on my hard drive, or maybe pay less, use only a small portion of my drive, and none of my bandwidth.

If Mattrick had his way, only the digital version for a game that's been out two years at full price would be available.


Both of you seem to have missed the deep discounts that were available on XBL digital goods and for all I know are still there, they had the beginnings of similar to steam style sales around the same time they were trying to sell the XBO in it's original form.  I'm not aware of any changes since then because I haven't turned on my Xbox since GTV got boring and I haven't bothered with the XBO since I'm too damn busy for the games I already own at the moment (which didn't stop me from buying Darksiders 1 and 2 for 75% off this weekend) but they were there and while they weren't nearly as good as steam sales it was pretty clear what the intent was.  If you distrust Microsoft so much why are you buying their products and then getting bent out of shape about how you don't trust Microsoft to do something that valve is currently doing?

If you feel better with valve then buy a damn PC.
 
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