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(KSPR Springfield)   Harvard's "black mass" angers Catholics who hate everything dark and sensual and I'll be in my bunk holding mass of my own   (kspr.com) divider line 62
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2014-05-12 06:09:37 PM  
8 votes:

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Faust, a noted historian, said:  "The 'black Mass' had its historical origins as a means of denigrating the Catholic Church; it mocks a deeply sacred event in Catholicism, and is highly offensive to many in the Church and beyond."

And raping small children is highly offensive to many outside the church, so please go fark yourself with a cactus


Yeah, this.  The Catholic Church has been abhorrently offensive to millions of people over the years, not least those were were raped, tortured and oppressed for over 2 millennia and up to the present day by your money-grubbing bullshiat representatives the world over.  I cordially invite you to f*ck off.
2014-05-12 04:14:35 PM  
8 votes:
Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!
2014-05-12 04:51:11 PM  
6 votes:
Faust, a noted historian, said:  "The 'black Mass' had its historical origins as a means of denigrating the Catholic Church; it mocks a deeply sacred event in Catholicism, and is highly offensive to many in the Church and beyond."

And raping small children is highly offensive to many outside the church, so please go fark yourself with a cactus
2014-05-12 04:13:41 PM  
6 votes:
When will they be holding a Black Seder or a Black Salat?
2014-05-12 08:02:42 PM  
4 votes:

grumpfuff: genner: grumpfuff: genner: Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.

Wrong. LeVey and his followers may be atheist trolls, but there are several other forms of Satanism that are theistic.

True but this group is clearly with the trolls.

From the article:

The temple does not believe in a real devil

and

"At its best," the black Mass "is a declaration of personal independence from what some see as counterproductive cultural programming," said Satanic Temple spokesman Lucien Greaves. Greaves said black Masses began as a protest by people who felt oppressed by their local religious cultures.

It's clearly nothing but angry backlash against Christianity.
If that constitutes a religion Fark should be a tax free church.

WAAAAAHHHHH! PEOPLE WE TREATED LIKE shiat ARE FIGHTING BACK!!!!!


If that what their doing then they shouldn't  hide behind statements like this

"Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices."

 Be honest with your hate.
2014-05-12 07:32:19 PM  
4 votes:

mongbiohazard: genner: mongbiohazard: genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.

Because religion is a choice and race is not.

Because religion has been used to justify and perpetuate racism, slavery and other forms of discrimination over the centuries.

Because racial minorities have needed protection and religious majorities have been what people need protection from.

Etc.etc.etc...


So it's legal to discriminate based on religion now?
Cool I'm gonna get one of these.

So are you just desperately searching for some justification to discriminate? Because that's what your posts come off as.

I simply explained how false your false equivalence was... And you take that to mean "Oh! Then that must mean he's saying it's OK to discriminate!"

Someone simply being allowed to practice a religious ceremony that is contradictory to another religion is actually the opposite of discrimination. Sorry that's a difficult concept for you to understand.


Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.
2014-05-12 07:54:47 PM  
3 votes:

grumpfuff: genner: Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.

Wrong. LeVey and his followers may be atheist trolls, but there are several other forms of Satanism that are theistic.


True but this group is clearly with the trolls.

From the article:

The temple does not believe in a real devil

and

"At its best," the black Mass "is a declaration of personal independence from what some see as counterproductive cultural programming," said Satanic Temple spokesman Lucien Greaves. Greaves said black Masses began as a protest by people who felt oppressed by their local religious cultures.

It's clearly nothing but angry backlash against Christianity.
If that constitutes a religion Fark should be a tax free church.
2014-05-12 07:08:43 PM  
3 votes:
Mugato: Who spends the money to go to Harvard to major in "cultural studies"?

/and yeah, "Faust"? That's a joke, right?


It's no joke.  Those guys aren't there for the education, they're there to meet other rich and otherwise well connected scions of the 1%.
The girl behind me in NOT Harvard was very honest about it.  "My parents sent me here to get married to a doctor or a lawyer".  That's from my 1992 class, Intro to Illustration.  I'm sure she's done far better than I.

Think - George Bush, Is it more clear now?

not being snarky-apologies if it comes off that way
2014-05-12 06:25:01 PM  
3 votes:

Mouser: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Perhaps they could hold a witch-burning, too.  You know, as an educational exercise.


...and maybe some blackface theater while their at it.
2014-05-12 04:20:35 PM  
3 votes:

InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.


Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.
2014-05-12 07:11:24 PM  
2 votes:

genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.


Because religion is a choice and race is not.

Because religion has been used to justify and perpetuate racism, slavery and other forms of discrimination over the centuries.

Because racial minorities have needed protection and religious majorities have been what people need protection from.

Etc.etc.etc...
2014-05-12 07:07:27 PM  
2 votes:

iheartscotch: MassAsster: iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.

You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?

Evil, as personified as Satan, is a poorly disguised version of the Greek god Hades.

Still, the universe is a pretty vast place. Who's to say that there aren't forces that are beyond our understanding?

I will admit; I spent my formative years getting indoctrinated by nuns. The church has problems; I'll admit that. But, that doesn't mean that I'm going to lead the black mass and sacrifice a virgin to Quetzalcoatl. It's just verboten.


Forces "beyond our understanding" doesn't mean "ridiculous winged 1/2 goat creatures who tempt you, and you shouldn't eat meat on Friday". It really means "gee, a Grand Unified Theory is farking hard for our little mammal brains."
2014-05-12 07:00:00 PM  
2 votes:
Aren't satanists just really trolly atheists?
2014-05-12 06:51:23 PM  
2 votes:

iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Christians, especially Catholicism, have no right to complain about desecrating other religions, given it's history.

I assume you refer to the Second Crusade and Richard the Lionheart's various deeds? Especially, the massacre of Ayyadieh?

I assure you; that those events happened 900 years ago, if they happened at all. Everyone who was involved those acts are all dead. Their great grand children are dead too.


I was actually referring to the systematic wiping out of pagan beliefs(and opposing Christian beliefs) that lead to the Vatican's rise to power, and their continual dismissal of anything not Christian as evil or Satanic.

And...Crusade denial? Really? That's a thing?
2014-05-12 06:47:09 PM  
2 votes:

grumpfuff: iheartscotch: They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Christians, especially Catholicism, have no right to complain about desecrating other religions, given it's history.


I assume you refer to the Second Crusade and Richard the Lionheart's various deeds? Especially, the massacre of Ayyadieh?

I assure you; that those events happened 900 years ago, if they happened at all. Everyone who was involved those acts are all dead. Their great grand children are dead too.
2014-05-12 06:44:58 PM  
2 votes:

iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.


Uh huh. I'll th rub the bible on my ass until I chafe and it still won't make fairy tales real. Demons are as fictional as flying carpets, Ents and Voltron.

A black mass carries with it exactly the same level of supernatural threat that any other mystic/religious ceremony does - none at all.
2014-05-12 06:42:02 PM  
2 votes:

iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.


You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?
2014-05-12 06:41:16 PM  
2 votes:

iheartscotch: Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.


lparchive.org
Satan is a pretty damn useful all-around Persona.

(I've always wanted to get a tattoo of one of those Goetic demon emblems. They look super cool, and would have the added bonus of freaking out people who think they actually do anything.)
2014-05-12 06:40:36 PM  
2 votes:

iheartscotch: They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?


Christians, especially Catholicism, have no right to complain about desecrating other religions, given it's history.
2014-05-12 06:39:40 PM  
2 votes:
This is the semi-pro level of trolling, though. There's no real risk of backlash or public shaming by the Catholics.

These guys should step up to the big leagues and embrace a spirit of arbeit macht frei and commit some old-fashioned anti-semitism, or host a gallery night devoted to depictions of Muhammad through the ages. Preferably something avant garde involving women's study's majors using old menstrual blood.
2014-05-12 06:25:17 PM  
2 votes:
The history of black Masses is murky, but Catholics say the intent of such ceremonies is obvious: to mock their rituals and beliefs. The Masses often parody Catholic sacraments, such as Communion, and liturgical vestments.

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2014-05-12 06:19:42 PM  
2 votes:
Farking little boys is perfectly acceptable, but offending people who fark little boys is out of the question? Sounds about right...
2014-05-12 05:52:36 PM  
2 votes:
"Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices."

The cultural club said it also plans to host a Shinto tea ceremony, a Shaker exhibit and a presentation on Buddhist meditation.


Get over your self, Boston Archdioceses
2014-05-12 04:59:19 PM  
2 votes:
"Harvard" or a "Harvard club"?

Because any theoretical outrage would depend on whether it was the institution itself, or a student club exercising it's constitutional free speech rights to do whatever it wants*. Why do is it a First Amendment issue when a Christian club wants to ban gays, but a cultural studies club wants to hold a black mass? Hmm, right-wingers?

*within reason
2014-05-12 04:46:59 PM  
2 votes:
Wait...the Harvard President's name is Faust?

Someone is playing shenanigans.
2014-05-13 03:18:44 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: farkette716: Besides Catholics are the only group you can hate publicly and be super cool AND with the times!

Well sorry about your feelings but you're going to see a little of that when you're an entity that covers up mass child molestation in your ranks. People get cranky about that for some reason.


A small percentage of terrible things happened to children. This is unacceptable. There are a BILLIONS of followers, people are human....there are bad people everywhere. So yeah have fun with your propaganda machine bigotry.


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2014-05-13 11:29:01 AM  
1 votes:
Best Satan:
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Second Best:
jarviscity.com
2014-05-13 12:46:38 AM  
1 votes:
CTRL-F "NSFW"  No hits.

Disappointing.

Ah well, I suppose it's as good an excuse as any to use this one:

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2014-05-13 12:26:38 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: Marcintosh: Those guys aren't there for the education, they're there to meet other rich and otherwise well connected scions of the 1%.
The girl behind me in NOT Harvard was very honest about it.  "My parents sent me here to get married to a doctor or a lawyer"

Ugh. That's disgusting. Not surprising though.


It's nothing new.  Universities were begun around 1055 AD in Bologna.  The Merchant Princes sent their kids to learn a few things but mostly to meet other rich kids, and marry other rich kids.  Look at archival footage of college campus'.  In the 50's and 60's the kids were wearing jackets, blazers, button down shirts, ties, slacks and those damn loafers.  I vividly remember rich relatives kids going off to school where the clothing allowance rivaled the tuition.
The Greek System is a further hurdle designed to weed out "The Others".  Those that can afford the tuitions and clothes but not much else.  It's roughly the same now.  Priorities have shifted a bit but it's still a meat (yes) and greet market.
Haven't you ever heard a senior girl speak of "Ring by Spring"?  If those that are interested in that kind of thing aren't engaged by spring, it's off to grad school.

And you thought it was about the education didn't you . . .  The Tenured prof's are the only ones learning a damn thing and now they're Golden Chair is on the way out.

a codicil to all this - a great many students really do learn a lot in college.  If they don't have the connections though it's back to the parents sofa most of the time.  If you're headed off to college your work is to get connected up and networked in.  If you come from a family of clock punchers . . . you need to really take a cold hard look at career vs student loans - none of the "do what you heart tells you to" pfffft
2014-05-12 08:34:16 PM  
1 votes:

grumpfuff: genner: Even if he doesn't my original point still stands. This particular satanic temple isn't a religion. It's  a group of trolls mocking Christianity.

And, your point? Are you suggesting no one should be allowed to criticize/mock Christianity?

Sure they should. Just like the KKK is allowed to hold meetings on their own property,all people have a right to free speech no matter how offensive.

The problem is their doing it on Harvard grounds. The school has every right to shut them down and hasn't. If the same students decided they wanted to hold a KKK rally in a effort to study it's culture I doubt the result would have been the same.

genner: Because they aren't doing this I'm lead to believe they're with the trolls and not simply studying them.

Theistic Satanists tend not to be the attention whores that LeVeyists are, so they are harder to find. Also, they tend to practice alone, not in a group.


It may not be possible to find the real thing but it doesn't make studying a fake anymore useful. They may as well be studying the church of the FSM.
2014-05-12 08:16:25 PM  
1 votes:

Ed Grubermann: iheartscotch: Perhaps you're right and there is no force for evil in the Universe. The point is; we don't know.

We don't know that there isn't a china teapot in orbit around Jupiter. But until we have some actual evidence to support its existence we can assume it doesn't exist. We'd be better served trying to figure out why some people are just broken and sadistic.


have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?

/ Also, circular logic works both ways.
2014-05-12 08:02:22 PM  
1 votes:

Ed Grubermann: iheartscotch: Perhaps you're right and there is no force for evil in the Universe. The point is; we don't know.

We don't know that there isn't a china teapot in orbit around Jupiter. But until we have some actual evidence to support its existence we can assume it doesn't exist. We'd be better served trying to figure out why some people are just broken and sadistic.


Russell's Teapot is not an argument. By cherry picking something people are predisposed to find ridiculous it undercuts any power it would have. No one has seen the interior of the Sun either, but it would be ridiculous to think it doesn't exist, even if we have no real concept of what it would be like---much much stranger to any of us than a ordinary teapot. The "reasonableness" of belief in any X depends on the already existing worldview. It doesn't demonstrate anything to anyone who doesn't already share that worldview.
2014-05-12 07:43:49 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: I will admit; the imagery that describes satan physically is very similar to Pan. But, as ruler of the underworld (or in this case hell), Satan is Hades with Poseidon's trident standing in as a pitchfork. I agree; a lot of what is in the New Testament is copied from the old


No. Satan and Hades have little, if nothing to do with each other. The underworld in Greek/Roman mythology has nothing to do with the conception of hell in Christianity. Satan as he exists now is a fusion of "the satans" and Lucifer from the OT. The imagery comes directly from the idea of Pan, and why you think the trident comes from Poseidon is beyond me.
2014-05-12 07:28:09 PM  
1 votes:

genner: mongbiohazard: genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.

Because religion is a choice and race is not.

Because religion has been used to justify and perpetuate racism, slavery and other forms of discrimination over the centuries.

Because racial minorities have needed protection and religious majorities have been what people need protection from.

Etc.etc.etc...


So it's legal to discriminate based on religion now?
Cool I'm gonna get one of these.


So are you just desperately searching for some justification to discriminate? Because that's what your posts come off as.

I simply explained how false your false equivalence was... And you take that to mean "Oh! Then that must mean he's saying it's OK to discriminate!"

Someone simply being allowed to practice a religious ceremony that is contradictory to another religion is actually the opposite of discrimination. Sorry that's a difficult concept for you to understand.
2014-05-12 07:24:45 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: I just don't like the idea of some poor animal having to die; or seeing a cross/other relic desecrated.


There are no animal sacrifices at Black Masses either.

Also, a cross is not a relic unless it has an actual "relic" in it.

Maybe instead of getting offended and afraid of other religions, you should try learning about them.
2014-05-12 07:22:53 PM  
1 votes:

genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.


Appeal to emotion. *yawn*
2014-05-12 07:18:21 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Christians, especially Catholicism, have no right to complain about desecrating other religions, given it's history.

I assume you refer to the Second Crusade and Richard the Lionheart's various deeds? Especially, the massacre of Ayyadieh?

I assure you; that those events happened 900 years ago, if they happened at all. Everyone who was involved those acts are all dead. Their great grand children are dead too.

I was actually referring to the systematic wiping out of pagan beliefs(and opposing Christian beliefs) that lead to the Vatican's rise to power, and their continual dismissal of anything not Christian as evil or Satanic.

And...Crusade denial? Really? That's a thing?

You mean like the wiping out of the cult of Dionysus in the centuries following Rome's acceptance of Christianity? That's even older than the crusades.

I'm not denying that the crusades happened; I'm questioning what actually happened. How can we ever be sure that Richard the Lionheart actually lead a coalition of 35,000 men to reconquer the holy land from Salidin?


Yes the examples are older than the crusades. That still does not excuse their continual insistence that anything non-Christian is evil/Satanic.

As to the Crusades, really? You're just asking questions, huh? Unless you have an actual, valid reason for doubting what happened besides "I don't like it."
2014-05-12 07:17:10 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: Evil, as personified as Satan, is a poorly disguised version of the Greek god Hades.


I thought Satan (or Lucifer, if you will) was just an angel who questioned God's will and got thrown into Hell. I don't think he even did all that much that was evil. He didn't flood the planet or tell a guy to kill his son for example.

I guess what I'm saying is, Hail Satan!

/the Al Pacino Satan, the Robert DeNiro Satan was kind of boring
2014-05-12 07:10:07 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: Evil, as personified as Satan, is a poorly disguised version of the Greek god Hades.

Still, the universe is a pretty vast place. Who's to say that there aren't forces that are beyond our understanding?

I will admit; I spent my formative years getting indoctrinated by nuns. The church has problems; I'll admit that. But, that doesn't mean that I'm going to lead the black mass and sacrifice a virgin to Quetzalcoatl. It's just verboten.


There is so much wrong in this post, I'm not even sure where to begin. Let's try though.

Satan is an appropriation of the satan(the adversary) from the OT. However, instead of being God's prosecutor, he's now an independent evil force. His image largely stems from appropriations of the Greek god Pan, while his attitude and personality comes mostly from the OT.

The universe is a pretty vast place, sure, but that does not logically entail there is a force for evil. Your conclusion does not follow the premise.

There is no human sacrifice at a Black Mass, and there never was.

Finally, Quetzacoatl was an Aztec god(Kukulkan to the Maya, , the civilizing god who brought things such as architecture, math, and writing. Most human sacrifices were offered to  Tezcatlipoca, not Quetzacoatl.
2014-05-12 07:05:46 PM  
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Weaver95: Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

According to Anton Levay himself it's just Ayn Rand's philosophy with some rituals thrown in. No worship of anything except the ego, and the almighty dollar. Ideal for the modern CEO. No surprise Harvard is embracing it.


in some ways that's even worse.  a general call to whatever happens to be skulking around and asking it to come for a visit?  unwise.  if you're going to do a full on ritual, it had better be focused and have a clearly defined purpose.  'putting on a show' is just an invitation for trouble.  good luck with that!
2014-05-12 07:03:13 PM  
1 votes:
Satanism is religious trolling.

/so stop feeding the trolls, Catholics.
2014-05-12 07:03:09 PM  
1 votes:

Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.


Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.
2014-05-12 06:59:09 PM  
1 votes:

genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.


And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.
2014-05-12 06:51:05 PM  
1 votes:

iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Christians, especially Catholicism, have no right to complain about desecrating other religions, given it's history.

I assume you refer to the Second Crusade and Richard the Lionheart's various deeds? Especially, the massacre of Ayyadieh?

I assure you; that those events happened 900 years ago, if they happened at all. Everyone who was involved those acts are all dead. Their great grand children are dead too.


Too bad there aren't more recent examples. Like maybe the wholesale destruction of the religions and cultures of the Americas.
2014-05-12 06:50:40 PM  
1 votes:

J. Frank Parnell: Weaver95: Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

According to Anton Levay himself it's just Ayn Rand's philosophy with some rituals thrown in. No worship of anything except the ego, and the almighty dollar. Ideal for the modern CEO. No surprise Harvard is embracing it.


I do love when you liberals show your utmost ignorance of Rand. Yes. She lived the dollar, except for the fact that honoring the dollar was exactly the opposite of what We The Living or The Fountainhead did. Both had destitute heroes and rich villains.

So other than utter ignorance, what was the point of your rant?
2014-05-12 06:48:31 PM  
1 votes:
Of course if the group were to perform a mockery of Islam, democrats wpuld be lining up to denigrate the group; see Brandeis
2014-05-12 06:48:16 PM  
1 votes:
And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.
2014-05-12 06:45:35 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.


According to Anton Levay himself it's just Ayn Rand's philosophy with some rituals thrown in. No worship of anything except the ego, and the almighty dollar. Ideal for the modern CEO. No surprise Harvard is embracing it.
2014-05-12 06:45:33 PM  
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MassAsster: iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.

You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?


crimemagazine.com

You're right, there is no such thing as evil
2014-05-12 06:44:46 PM  
1 votes:

MassAsster: iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.

You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?


I'm guessing the concept of evil predates 67 AD or so.
2014-05-12 06:43:31 PM  
1 votes:
FTFA: But Harvard University President Drew Faust called the plans to reenact a black Mass "abhorrent" and a "fundamental affront to values of inclusion, belonging and mutual respect that must define our community."

...

Wait.

I thought the values of inclusion would stipulate that more than the viewpoint you like be included too.

Why doesn't the president of Harvard know the meaning of this word?
2014-05-12 06:33:36 PM  
1 votes:

SnakeLee: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Wait so you think demons exist in the literal sense?  And that they will somehow get all 100 people at this event?


Of course demons exist.  Haven't you been down in a whiskey bottle before?
2014-05-12 06:33:22 PM  
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EqualOpportunityEnslaver: yanceylebeef: Wait...the Harvard President's name is Faust?

Someone is playing shenanigans.

Was going to say the same thing - this article CAN'T be real with that name in play, can it?


www.harvard.edu

What Harvard President Drew Faust might look like.

/admit it, you thought it would be a guy too.
2014-05-12 06:26:20 PM  
1 votes:

InterruptingQuirk: When will they be holding a Black Seder or a Black Salat?


That would be offensive and discriminatory.
2014-05-12 06:19:32 PM  
1 votes:

InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.


Perhaps they could hold a witch-burning, too.  You know, as an educational exercise.
2014-05-12 06:19:05 PM  
1 votes:
But Harvard University President Drew Faust called the plans to reenact a black Mass "abhorrent" and a "fundamental affront to values of inclusion, belonging and mutual respect that must define our community."

I'm sure they can come to some sort of bargain with the president.
2014-05-12 06:15:06 PM  
1 votes:
Christ...Halloween must drive them absolutely nuckin' futs!

Boston Archdiocese...all credibility lost since the sex abuse scandal. They have an elevated sense of their position in the community.
2014-05-12 06:03:55 PM  
1 votes:
Who spends the money to go to Harvard to major in "cultural studies"?

/and yeah, "Faust"? That's a joke, right?
2014-05-12 05:05:53 PM  
1 votes:
i've heard that black masses are bigger and sturdier than their white counterparts.
2014-05-12 04:55:59 PM  
1 votes:
Leveling accusations of sacrilege at people conducting a Black Mass, as if that weren't entirely the point, is pretty funny.
2014-05-12 04:18:43 PM  
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lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!


FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.
2014-05-12 04:10:29 PM  
1 votes:
Meh.
 
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