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2014-05-12 07:14:31 PM

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: yanceylebeef: Wait...the Harvard President's name is Faust?

Someone is playing shenanigans.

Was going to say the same thing - this article CAN'T be real with that name in play, can it?


And his first name is "Drew". Between the Black Mass and the Maker's Mark...
 
2014-05-12 07:17:10 PM

iheartscotch: Evil, as personified as Satan, is a poorly disguised version of the Greek god Hades.


I thought Satan (or Lucifer, if you will) was just an angel who questioned God's will and got thrown into Hell. I don't think he even did all that much that was evil. He didn't flood the planet or tell a guy to kill his son for example.

I guess what I'm saying is, Hail Satan!

/the Al Pacino Satan, the Robert DeNiro Satan was kind of boring
 
2014-05-12 07:18:21 PM

iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Christians, especially Catholicism, have no right to complain about desecrating other religions, given it's history.

I assume you refer to the Second Crusade and Richard the Lionheart's various deeds? Especially, the massacre of Ayyadieh?

I assure you; that those events happened 900 years ago, if they happened at all. Everyone who was involved those acts are all dead. Their great grand children are dead too.

I was actually referring to the systematic wiping out of pagan beliefs(and opposing Christian beliefs) that lead to the Vatican's rise to power, and their continual dismissal of anything not Christian as evil or Satanic.

And...Crusade denial? Really? That's a thing?

You mean like the wiping out of the cult of Dionysus in the centuries following Rome's acceptance of Christianity? That's even older than the crusades.

I'm not denying that the crusades happened; I'm questioning what actually happened. How can we ever be sure that Richard the Lionheart actually lead a coalition of 35,000 men to reconquer the holy land from Salidin?


Yes the examples are older than the crusades. That still does not excuse their continual insistence that anything non-Christian is evil/Satanic.

As to the Crusades, really? You're just asking questions, huh? Unless you have an actual, valid reason for doubting what happened besides "I don't like it."
 
2014-05-12 07:20:18 PM

mongbiohazard: iheartscotch: MassAsster: iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.

You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?

Evil, as personified as Satan, is a poorly disguised version of the Greek god Hades.

Still, the universe is a pretty vast place. Who's to say that there aren't forces that are beyond our understanding?

I will admit; I spent my formative years getting indoctrinated by nuns. The church has problems; I'll admit that. But, that doesn't mean that I'm going to lead the black mass and sacrifice a virgin to Quetzalcoatl. It's just verboten.

Forces "beyond our understanding" doesn't mean "ridiculous winged 1/2 goat creatures who tempt you, and you shouldn't eat meat on Friday". It really means "gee, a Grand Unified Theory is farking hard for our little mammal brains."


The meat thing is actually just a US thing. Basically, Pius the XII (I think it was him) decreed that US Catholics should eat fish on Fridays to help Europe to recover from WWII by providing a market for European fish. Currently, it's only Fridays during Lent. It's supposed to signify sacrifice, or something.

You guys have fun at your black mass; don't bother saving a place for me. I just don't like the idea of some poor animal having to die; or seeing a cross/other relic desecrated.
 
2014-05-12 07:20:26 PM

s2s2s2: Aren't satanists just really trolly atheists?


My experience has been that they are Christians going through a rebellious phase.
 
2014-05-12 07:20:30 PM
Who told Catholics they get to decide what's a real religion and what is not?  Every religion, from Catholicism to Branch Davidians to the Oracle of Delphi to Satanism to Santa Claus are are equally valid and equally invalid (eg, all of them are mythology - there are no gods, just frightened people trying to explain thunder and death).  They all have adherents, miracles, and visions, and they all think their religion is the only true religion.  Catholics offend me (although I think the new pope is kinda awesome), but I wouldn't prohibit them from practicing their mythology and holding their masses.  Either there is freedom of religion or there is not.  Catholics didn't invent religion, morality, or faith.  If you want to oppress religions you don't like, move to the Middle East.  Or get over yourselves and respect your fellow man.

Ultimately, religion, despite the lie it is, serves a valuable function in society.  It keeps the weak, stupid, and immoral in check for fear of Hell.  If you need fear to make you a good person because you have no moral compass of your own and can't think for yourself, then amen.  But know your place; Catholicism is merely one thread in the tapestry of world religions.
 
2014-05-12 07:20:33 PM

This text is now purple: This is the semi-pro level of trolling, though. There's no real risk of backlash or public shaming by the Catholics.

These guys should step up to the big leagues and embrace a spirit of arbeit macht frei and commit some old-fashioned anti-semitism, or host a gallery night devoted to depictions of Muhammad through the ages. Preferably something avant garde involving women's study's majors using old menstrual blood.


Ahem, it's called Womyn"s Studies you misogynist idiot.
 
2014-05-12 07:21:03 PM

mongbiohazard: genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.

Because religion is a choice and race is not.

Because religion has been used to justify and perpetuate racism, slavery and other forms of discrimination over the centuries.

Because racial minorities have needed protection and religious majorities have been what people need protection from.

Etc.etc.etc...



So it's legal to discriminate based on religion now?
Cool I'm gonna get one of these.

www.crisismagazine.com
 
2014-05-12 07:22:06 PM

Ed Grubermann: s2s2s2: Aren't satanists just really trolly atheists?

My experience has been that they are Christians going through a rebellious phase.


He's actually right. The Satanic Verses by Anton LeVay has nothing to do with Satan. It's pretty much atheism that uses the name "Satan" for brand recognition.
 
2014-05-12 07:22:53 PM

genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.


Appeal to emotion. *yawn*
 
2014-05-12 07:24:45 PM

iheartscotch: I just don't like the idea of some poor animal having to die; or seeing a cross/other relic desecrated.


There are no animal sacrifices at Black Masses either.

Also, a cross is not a relic unless it has an actual "relic" in it.

Maybe instead of getting offended and afraid of other religions, you should try learning about them.
 
2014-05-12 07:26:43 PM

mongbiohazard: "ridiculous winged 1/2 goat creatures who tempt you, and you shouldn't eat meat on Friday"


It might. . .

It'd be an awful waste of space if there wasn't something interesting out there

mediaserver.pulse2.com
 
2014-05-12 07:26:48 PM
I might have been to a black mass once. There were a lot of people singing hymnals and women in big hats fanning themselves and I think James Brown was there,
 
2014-05-12 07:28:09 PM

genner: mongbiohazard: genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.

Because religion is a choice and race is not.

Because religion has been used to justify and perpetuate racism, slavery and other forms of discrimination over the centuries.

Because racial minorities have needed protection and religious majorities have been what people need protection from.

Etc.etc.etc...


So it's legal to discriminate based on religion now?
Cool I'm gonna get one of these.


So are you just desperately searching for some justification to discriminate? Because that's what your posts come off as.

I simply explained how false your false equivalence was... And you take that to mean "Oh! Then that must mean he's saying it's OK to discriminate!"

Someone simply being allowed to practice a religious ceremony that is contradictory to another religion is actually the opposite of discrimination. Sorry that's a difficult concept for you to understand.
 
2014-05-12 07:30:10 PM

Marcintosh: Mugato: Who spends the money to go to Harvard to major in "cultural studies"?

/and yeah, "Faust"? That's a joke, right?

It's no joke.  Those guys aren't there for the education, they're there to meet other rich and otherwise well connected scions of the 1%.
The girl behind me in NOT Harvard was very honest about it.  "My parents sent me here to get married to a doctor or a lawyer".  That's from my 1992 class, Intro to Illustration.  I'm sure she's done far better than I.

Think - George Bush, Is it more clear now?

not being snarky-apologies if it comes off that way

Agrees

img.fark.net
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0304415
 
2014-05-12 07:32:13 PM

Mugato: I thought Satan (or Lucifer, if you will) was just an angel who questioned God's will and got thrown into Hell. I don't think he even did all that much that was evil. He didn't flood the planet or tell a guy to kill his son for example.

I guess what I'm saying is, Hail Satan!

/the Al Pacino Satan, the Robert DeNiro Satan was kind of boring


He's a humanist.  I'd be pleased to meet him.
 
2014-05-12 07:32:19 PM

mongbiohazard: genner: mongbiohazard: genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.

Because religion is a choice and race is not.

Because religion has been used to justify and perpetuate racism, slavery and other forms of discrimination over the centuries.

Because racial minorities have needed protection and religious majorities have been what people need protection from.

Etc.etc.etc...


So it's legal to discriminate based on religion now?
Cool I'm gonna get one of these.

So are you just desperately searching for some justification to discriminate? Because that's what your posts come off as.

I simply explained how false your false equivalence was... And you take that to mean "Oh! Then that must mean he's saying it's OK to discriminate!"

Someone simply being allowed to practice a religious ceremony that is contradictory to another religion is actually the opposite of discrimination. Sorry that's a difficult concept for you to understand.


Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.
 
2014-05-12 07:33:19 PM

grumpfuff: iheartscotch: I just don't like the idea of some poor animal having to die; or seeing a cross/other relic desecrated.

There are no animal sacrifices at Black Masses either.

Also, a cross is not a relic unless it has an actual "relic" in it.

Maybe instead of getting offended and afraid of other religions, you should try learning about them.


I like the cut of your jib.. you're going places, feel free to take a corner office.
 
2014-05-12 07:34:20 PM
The internet always surprises me with how many people believe in literal demons.  It kind of sucks that they're not real because it would be cool to be boys with one; I bet they would have an interesting perspective on things if they existed
 
2014-05-12 07:34:34 PM

Mugato: Ed Grubermann: s2s2s2: Aren't satanists just really trolly atheists?

My experience has been that they are Christians going through a rebellious phase.

He's actually right. The Satanic Verses by Anton LeVay has nothing to do with Satan. It's pretty much atheism that uses the name "Satan" for brand recognition.


Everyone I've ever met who's called themselves a "Satanist" was a Christian, usually a Catholic or a Evangelical, trying to scare or anger their parents. But, I don't know many Satanists as I have a bad habit of laughing in their faces for being typical Hot Topic poseurs.
 
2014-05-12 07:35:16 PM
FTFA: A narrator will explain the history of the rituals to the expected crowd of 100 or so, according to the Satanic Temple, a New York-based group that announced the ceremony last week.

i.imgur.com

Yeah...unless there is an actual scholar of Satanism involved, I expect the 'narrator' to be mostly spouting either complete speculation or pure bullshiat.
 
2014-05-12 07:35:24 PM

Mugato: I might have been to a black mass once. There were a lot of people singing hymnals and women in big hats fanning themselves and I think James Brown was there,


Nice.
 
2014-05-12 07:35:48 PM

InterruptingQuirk: mongbiohazard: "ridiculous winged 1/2 goat creatures who tempt you, and you shouldn't eat meat on Friday"

It might. . .

It'd be an awful waste of space if there wasn't something interesting out there


There's tons of interesting things "out there".

But thinking that Optimus Prime is real, and actually fighting Decepticons on Cybertron is preposterous. Not only that, but exaggerating fairy tales some people wrote to the level of real life wonder only debases the wonder of the amazing shiat that really is in our universe. It also cripples our society's ability as a whole to understand them.

"There are stars that could contain a large portion of our solar system within themselves. Isn't that amazing?"

"Smurfs are real and we must live our lives according to their teachings! That's equally amazing!"
 
2014-05-12 07:36:09 PM

grumpfuff: iheartscotch: Evil, as personified as Satan, is a poorly disguised version of the Greek god Hades.

Still, the universe is a pretty vast place. Who's to say that there aren't forces that are beyond our understanding?

I will admit; I spent my formative years getting indoctrinated by nuns. The church has problems; I'll admit that. But, that doesn't mean that I'm going to lead the black mass and sacrifice a virgin to Quetzalcoatl. It's just verboten.

There is so much wrong in this post, I'm not even sure where to begin. Let's try though.

Satan is an appropriation of the satan(the adversary) from the OT. However, instead of being God's prosecutor, he's now an independent evil force. His image largely stems from appropriations of the Greek god Pan, while his attitude and personality comes mostly from the OT.

The universe is a pretty vast place, sure, but that does not logically entail there is a force for evil. Your conclusion does not follow the premise.

There is no human sacrifice at a Black Mass, and there never was.

Finally, Quetzacoatl was an Aztec god(Kukulkan to the Maya, , the civilizing god who brought things such as architecture, math, and writing. Most human sacrifices were offered to  Tezcatlipoca, not Quetzacoatl.


I will admit; the imagery that describes satan physically is very similar to Pan. But, as ruler of the underworld (or in this case hell), Satan is Hades with Poseidon's trident standing in as a pitchfork. I agree; a lot of what is in the New Testament is copied from the old.

Perhaps you're right and there is no force for evil in the Universe. The point is; we don't know.

I realize that modern black masses do not entail human sacrifice. Do you think that the black mass is a modern concept? It's not.

Excuse me for mixing up my Mayan gods. I always confuse Tezacatlipoca with Quetzacoatl.
 
2014-05-12 07:38:36 PM

MassAsster: You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?


You ever stop and think that maybe you're just a useful tool of the Qlippothic Legions of Sitra Achra?
 
2014-05-12 07:39:19 PM

Somacandra: FTFA: A narrator will explain the history of the rituals to the expected crowd of 100 or so, according to the Satanic Temple, a New York-based group that announced the ceremony last week.



Yeah...unless there is an actual scholar of Satanism involved, I expect the 'narrator' to be mostly spouting either complete speculation or pure bullshiat.


i imagined the highway to hell as alot larger, maybe 4-6 lanes, kinda like i-75...
 
2014-05-12 07:40:28 PM

Mugato: I might have been to a black mass once. There were a lot of people singing hymnals and women in big hats fanning themselves and I think James Brown was there,


No, that was just you dreaming about being in The Blues Brothers movie again.
 
2014-05-12 07:40:31 PM

genner: Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.


Wrong. LeVey and his followers may be atheist trolls, but there are several other forms of Satanism that are theistic.


Ed Grubermann: Mugato: Ed Grubermann: s2s2s2: Aren't satanists just really trolly atheists?

My experience has been that they are Christians going through a rebellious phase.

He's actually right. The Satanic Verses by Anton LeVay has nothing to do with Satan. It's pretty much atheism that uses the name "Satan" for brand recognition.

Everyone I've ever met who's called themselves a "Satanist" was a Christian, usually a Catholic or a Evangelical, trying to scare or anger their parents. But, I don't know many Satanists as I have a bad habit of laughing in their faces for being typical Hot Topic poseurs.


Satan worship predates Hot Topic by centuries.
 
2014-05-12 07:41:08 PM

MassAsster: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: I just don't like the idea of some poor animal having to die; or seeing a cross/other relic desecrated.

There are no animal sacrifices at Black Masses either.

Also, a cross is not a relic unless it has an actual "relic" in it.

Maybe instead of getting offended and afraid of other religions, you should try learning about them.

I like the cut of your jib.. you're going places, feel free to take a corner office.


I got to put my Comparative Religion degree to some use.
 
2014-05-12 07:41:23 PM

genner: mongbiohazard: genner: mongbiohazard: genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.

Because religion is a choice and race is not.

Because religion has been used to justify and perpetuate racism, slavery and other forms of discrimination over the centuries.

Because racial minorities have needed protection and religious majorities have been what people need protection from.

Etc.etc.etc...


So it's legal to discriminate based on religion now?
Cool I'm gonna get one of these.

So are you just desperately searching for some justification to discriminate? Because that's what your posts come off as.

I simply explained how false your false equivalence was... And you take that to mean "Oh! Then that must mean he's saying it's OK to discriminate!"

Someone simply being allowed to practice a religious ceremony that is contradictory to another religion is actually the opposite of discrimination. Sorry that's a difficult concept for you to understand.

Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.


No one believes in Satan? It's kind of depressing but LOTS of Americans believe in Satan. Are you saying you know no one who believes in Satan will show up or appreciate this?

And the organizers are also organizing a Shinto ceremony as well. Are you telling me that they're not actually Shinto? Zounds! What a mockery!

Maybe you're just missing the actual point. Have you considered that possibility?
 
2014-05-12 07:42:15 PM

MassAsster: Somacandra: FTFA: A narrator will explain the history of the rituals to the expected crowd of 100 or so, according to the Satanic Temple, a New York-based group that announced the ceremony last week.

Yeah...unless there is an actual scholar of Satanism involved, I expect the 'narrator' to be mostly spouting either complete speculation or pure bullshiat.


i imagined the highway to hell as alot larger, maybe 4-6 lanes, kinda like i-75...



i.imgur.com

I think you may be confusing Hell with Wisconsin. Its understandable.
 
2014-05-12 07:43:49 PM

iheartscotch: I will admit; the imagery that describes satan physically is very similar to Pan. But, as ruler of the underworld (or in this case hell), Satan is Hades with Poseidon's trident standing in as a pitchfork. I agree; a lot of what is in the New Testament is copied from the old


No. Satan and Hades have little, if nothing to do with each other. The underworld in Greek/Roman mythology has nothing to do with the conception of hell in Christianity. Satan as he exists now is a fusion of "the satans" and Lucifer from the OT. The imagery comes directly from the idea of Pan, and why you think the trident comes from Poseidon is beyond me.
 
2014-05-12 07:43:58 PM

mongbiohazard: "Smurfs are real and we must live our lives according to their teachings! That's equally amazing!"


I think you need to unhinge your imagination and listen to what the girl has to say


img.fark.net

If there is other lifeforms out there, alive at a time when we might meet them, I hope they look like this, are real friendly and are not hostile versions of this:

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-12 07:45:01 PM

iheartscotch: I realize that modern black masses do not entail human sacrifice. Do you think that the black mass is a modern concept? It's not.


Provide citations showing human sacrifice at Black Masses, and I don't mean Vatican fear mongering, or STFU.
 
2014-05-12 07:45:09 PM

grumpfuff: I got to put my Comparative Religion degree to some use.


You make a living with that? Do tell.
 
2014-05-12 07:45:14 PM

SnakeLee: The internet always surprises me with how many people believe in literal demons.  It kind of sucks that they're not real because it would be cool to be boys with one; I bet they would have an interesting perspective on things if they existed


The widespread belief in these preposterous myths so far after we have discovered the atom and started to comprehend so much of how the universe works I find just incredibly farking depressing.
 
2014-05-12 07:46:21 PM

mongbiohazard: And the organizers are also organizing a Shinto ceremony as well. Are you telling me that they're not actually Shinto? Zounds! What a mockery!


i.imgur.com

There's a modern tradition of "hosting" religious rituals with re-interpretations. My Catholic Church hosted a Seder when I was young. It was awful. And that was before I knew anything about Judaism.
 
2014-05-12 07:49:06 PM

InterruptingQuirk: grumpfuff: I got to put my Comparative Religion degree to some use.

You make a living with that? Do tell.


lol no. I'm a bartender and do some odd jobs. That's why I have to try to put it to use on Fark.

Though I'm considering going back for my masters and getting into teaching/writing, some of my former professors are begging me to come back for graduate school.
 
2014-05-12 07:50:36 PM

InterruptingQuirk: mongbiohazard: "Smurfs are real and we must live our lives according to their teachings! That's equally amazing!"

I think you need to unhinge your imagination and listen to what the girl has to say




If there is other lifeforms out there, alive at a time when we might meet them, I hope they look like this, are real friendly and are not hostile versions of this:


I got bad news for you, that first one reproduces by spore and lives in a poisonous high pressure, high temperature environment. Your wing-wang would be crushed and burned off almost instantly if you whipped it out for it. They do have a fantastic gift for creating metal and ceramic alloys though.

Now that second one? Big 'OK creampuff. Lots of vibrating orifices, and very friendly.
 
2014-05-12 07:51:14 PM

Somacandra: mongbiohazard: And the organizers are also organizing a Shinto ceremony as well. Are you telling me that they're not actually Shinto? Zounds! What a mockery!

[i.imgur.com image 649x127]

There's a modern tradition of "hosting" religious rituals with re-interpretations. My Catholic Church hosted a Seder when I was young. It was awful. And that was before I knew anything about Judaism.


Oh Vatican II, you are a hoot.
 
2014-05-12 07:51:51 PM

iheartscotch: Perhaps you're right and there is no force for evil in the Universe. The point is; we don't know.


We don't know that there isn't a china teapot in orbit around Jupiter. But until we have some actual evidence to support its existence we can assume it doesn't exist. We'd be better served trying to figure out why some people are just broken and sadistic.
 
2014-05-12 07:51:56 PM

mongbiohazard: The widespread belief in these preposterous myths so far after we have discovered the atom and started to comprehend so much of how the universe works I find just incredibly farking depressing.


i.imgur.com

Science creates its own popular myth of eternal utopian progressivism, among others. Any science ultimately has to be re-narrativized in human culture using language concepts which are informed by both utopian and apocalyptic religion, among other forces. Sociolinguistic process of metaphor and metonymy that structure religion also structure the rest of human culture too, including science.
 
2014-05-12 07:53:07 PM

Somacandra: mongbiohazard: And the organizers are also organizing a Shinto ceremony as well. Are you telling me that they're not actually Shinto? Zounds! What a mockery!



There's a modern tradition of "hosting" religious rituals with re-interpretations. My Catholic Church hosted a Seder when I was young. It was awful. And that was before I knew anything about Judaism.


I grew up with seders and I never cared for them either. Boring! Bunch of crap to memorize. Great meal though.
 
2014-05-12 07:54:30 PM

Somacandra: MassAsster: Somacandra: FTFA: A narrator will explain the history of the rituals to the expected crowd of 100 or so, according to the Satanic Temple, a New York-based group that announced the ceremony last week.

Yeah...unless there is an actual scholar of Satanism involved, I expect the 'narrator' to be mostly spouting either complete speculation or pure bullshiat.

i imagined the highway to hell as alot larger, maybe 4-6 lanes, kinda like i-75...


[i.imgur.com image 674x636]

I think you may be confusing Hell with Wisconsin. Its understandable.


i loled
+1 to you
 
2014-05-12 07:54:47 PM

grumpfuff: genner: Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.

Wrong. LeVey and his followers may be atheist trolls, but there are several other forms of Satanism that are theistic.


True but this group is clearly with the trolls.

From the article:

The temple does not believe in a real devil

and

"At its best," the black Mass "is a declaration of personal independence from what some see as counterproductive cultural programming," said Satanic Temple spokesman Lucien Greaves. Greaves said black Masses began as a protest by people who felt oppressed by their local religious cultures.

It's clearly nothing but angry backlash against Christianity.
If that constitutes a religion Fark should be a tax free church.
 
2014-05-12 07:55:08 PM

grumpfuff: iheartscotch: I will admit; the imagery that describes satan physically is very similar to Pan. But, as ruler of the underworld (or in this case hell), Satan is Hades with Poseidon's trident standing in as a pitchfork. I agree; a lot of what is in the New Testament is copied from the old

No. Satan and Hades have little, if nothing to do with each other. The underworld in Greek/Roman mythology has nothing to do with the conception of hell in Christianity. Satan as he exists now is a fusion of "the satans" and Lucifer from the OT. The imagery comes directly from the idea of Pan, and why you think the trident comes from Poseidon is beyond me.


That's a very interesting point. I've always thought that the Christian idea of hell fed of the concept of Tartarus. I wonder where hell came from; if it didn't come from Tartarus.

Also, didn't Dante reference Tartarus in The Inferno? I'm thinking of the end of limbo and the end of the area for pagans who lived good lives, but, never converted to Christianity.

I'd never heard that satan was an amalgamation of Lucifer and the satans from the OT. Although, I could see it.

/ I said trident, because, tridents look like pitchforks.
 
2014-05-12 07:55:54 PM

Bob Robert: grumpfuff: InterruptingQuirk: grumpfuff: I got to put my Comparative Religion degree to some use.

You make a living with that? Do tell.

lol no. I'm a bartender and do some odd jobs. That's why I have to try to put it to use on Fark.

Though I'm considering going back for my masters and getting into teaching/writing, some of my former professors are begging me to come back for graduate school.

Have you thought about joining the state department, a religious charity, or the cia?


I'm not religious, so I can't really bring myself to work for one. The last time I tried I got turned down for being an atheist.

As to the State Department/CIA, I like my pot.
 
2014-05-12 07:56:11 PM

grumpfuff: Satan worship predates Hot Topic by centuries.


Just reporting my personal experience.
 
2014-05-12 07:57:27 PM

genner: grumpfuff: genner: Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.

Wrong. LeVey and his followers may be atheist trolls, but there are several other forms of Satanism that are theistic.

True but this group is clearly with the trolls.

From the article:

The temple does not believe in a real devil

and

"At its best," the black Mass "is a declaration of personal independence from what some see as counterproductive cultural programming," said Satanic Temple spokesman Lucien Greaves. Greaves said black Masses began as a protest by people who felt oppressed by their local religious cultures.

It's clearly nothing but angry backlash against Christianity.
If that constitutes a religion Fark should be a tax free church.


WAAAAAHHHHH! PEOPLE WE TREATED LIKE shiat ARE FIGHTING BACK!!!!!
 
2014-05-12 07:59:23 PM

Somacandra: mongbiohazard: The widespread belief in these preposterous myths so far after we have discovered the atom and started to comprehend so much of how the universe works I find just incredibly farking depressing.



Science creates its own popular myth of eternal utopian progressivism, among others. Any science ultimately has to be re-narrativized in human culture using language concepts which are informed by both utopian and apocalyptic religion, among other forces. Sociolinguistic process of metaphor and metonymy that structure religion also structure the rest of human culture too, including science.


No. Science is simply a set of practices for weeding out bad information and minimizing human bias while trying to solve puzzles.

PEOPLE do what you're describing, not "science". However by applying scientific thought to human problems you can achieve a better understanding of them. Maybe some you can solve, maybe some you can never solve, but science isn't a dogma - it's procedure.
 
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