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(KSPR Springfield)   Harvard's "black mass" angers Catholics who hate everything dark and sensual and I'll be in my bunk holding mass of my own   (kspr.com) divider line 215
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2014-05-12 04:06:22 PM  
But not much mass.
 
2014-05-12 04:10:29 PM  
Meh.
 
2014-05-12 04:13:41 PM  
When will they be holding a Black Seder or a Black Salat?
 
2014-05-12 04:14:35 PM  
Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!
 
2014-05-12 04:18:43 PM  

lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!


FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.
 
2014-05-12 04:20:35 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.


Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.
 
2014-05-12 04:28:01 PM  
A Harvard Divinity School professor who is also a Catholic priest said none of cultural club's other events include the "blaspheming of Catholic sacramental practice."

He's just angry that his supply of young boys has evaporated.
 
2014-05-12 04:46:59 PM  
Wait...the Harvard President's name is Faust?

Someone is playing shenanigans.
 
2014-05-12 04:51:11 PM  
Faust, a noted historian, said:  "The 'black Mass' had its historical origins as a means of denigrating the Catholic Church; it mocks a deeply sacred event in Catholicism, and is highly offensive to many in the Church and beyond."

And raping small children is highly offensive to many outside the church, so please go fark yourself with a cactus
 
2014-05-12 04:55:59 PM  
Leveling accusations of sacrilege at people conducting a Black Mass, as if that weren't entirely the point, is pretty funny.
 
2014-05-12 04:59:19 PM  
"Harvard" or a "Harvard club"?

Because any theoretical outrage would depend on whether it was the institution itself, or a student club exercising it's constitutional free speech rights to do whatever it wants*. Why do is it a First Amendment issue when a Christian club wants to ban gays, but a cultural studies club wants to hold a black mass? Hmm, right-wingers?

*within reason
 
2014-05-12 05:03:04 PM  

yanceylebeef: Wait...the Harvard President's name is Faust?

Someone is playing shenanigans.


Yeah, my eyebrows raised at that, too.
 
2014-05-12 05:05:49 PM  
"everything dark and sensual --> I'll be in my bunk"? Judging from the headline, subby has a short fuse.

So to speak.
 
2014-05-12 05:05:53 PM  
i've heard that black masses are bigger and sturdier than their white counterparts.
 
2014-05-12 05:52:36 PM  
"Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices."

The cultural club said it also plans to host a Shinto tea ceremony, a Shaker exhibit and a presentation on Buddhist meditation.


Get over your self, Boston Archdioceses
 
2014-05-12 06:03:55 PM  
Who spends the money to go to Harvard to major in "cultural studies"?

/and yeah, "Faust"? That's a joke, right?
 
2014-05-12 06:09:37 PM  

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Faust, a noted historian, said:  "The 'black Mass' had its historical origins as a means of denigrating the Catholic Church; it mocks a deeply sacred event in Catholicism, and is highly offensive to many in the Church and beyond."

And raping small children is highly offensive to many outside the church, so please go fark yourself with a cactus


Yeah, this.  The Catholic Church has been abhorrently offensive to millions of people over the years, not least those were were raped, tortured and oppressed for over 2 millennia and up to the present day by your money-grubbing bullshiat representatives the world over.  I cordially invite you to f*ck off.
 
2014-05-12 06:11:30 PM  

MrBallou: "everything dark and sensual --> I'll be in my bunk"? Judging from the headline, subby has a short fuse.

So to speak.


Do you mean subby or stubby?
 
2014-05-12 06:14:20 PM  
A Black Mass, a Shinto tea ceremony, a Shaker exhibit and Buddhist meditation? Sounds like a party.
 
2014-05-12 06:15:06 PM  
Christ...Halloween must drive them absolutely nuckin' futs!

Boston Archdiocese...all credibility lost since the sex abuse scandal. They have an elevated sense of their position in the community.
 
2014-05-12 06:19:05 PM  
But Harvard University President Drew Faust called the plans to reenact a black Mass "abhorrent" and a "fundamental affront to values of inclusion, belonging and mutual respect that must define our community."

I'm sure they can come to some sort of bargain with the president.
 
2014-05-12 06:19:32 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.


Perhaps they could hold a witch-burning, too.  You know, as an educational exercise.
 
2014-05-12 06:19:38 PM  
Does "black mass" mean frat bros anally raping pledges?
 
2014-05-12 06:19:42 PM  
Farking little boys is perfectly acceptable, but offending people who fark little boys is out of the question? Sounds about right...
 
2014-05-12 06:22:45 PM  
Wait till Sterling hears about this.
 
2014-05-12 06:23:17 PM  
The Harvard president said she will allow the black Mass to continue, citing the value of free expression on campus, but will attend a prayer ceremony Monday night at St. Paul's Church in Cambridge.


I think I'm more offended that the president believes in fairy tales...
 
2014-05-12 06:23:52 PM  

Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.


lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2014-05-12 06:24:00 PM  
Georgetown does them better.
 
2014-05-12 06:24:06 PM  

www.reactionface.info

DAT MASS

 
2014-05-12 06:25:01 PM  

Mouser: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Perhaps they could hold a witch-burning, too.  You know, as an educational exercise.


...and maybe some blackface theater while their at it.
 
2014-05-12 06:25:17 PM  
The history of black Masses is murky, but Catholics say the intent of such ceremonies is obvious: to mock their rituals and beliefs. The Masses often parody Catholic sacraments, such as Communion, and liturgical vestments.

img.4plebs.org
 
2014-05-12 06:26:09 PM  
Isnt part of the black mass a baptisim of a pig and then you kill it and cook it up?
 
2014-05-12 06:26:20 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: When will they be holding a Black Seder or a Black Salat?


That would be offensive and discriminatory.
 
2014-05-12 06:26:47 PM  

yanceylebeef: Wait...the Harvard President's name is Faust?

Someone is playing shenanigans.


Was going to say the same thing - this article CAN'T be real with that name in play, can it?
 
2014-05-12 06:27:01 PM  

genner: Mouser: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Perhaps they could hold a witch-burning, too.  You know, as an educational exercise.

...and maybe some blackface theater while their at it.


I'm all for it as long as we're offending everybody possible in the shortest amount of time.  It must be done with enthusiasm, glee and a dedication to not miss a single group to be offended.
 
kab
2014-05-12 06:28:37 PM  
Sounds like a totally reasonable thing to be studying in college.
 
2014-05-12 06:28:46 PM  
Aww grow up and put on your big boy panties. Let these guys put on a black mass if they want, to hell with offending people. They are doing it as a study of cultural exploration, not to mock the religious folk. First amendment anyone? I mean, if we can't do a damn thing about the Westboro baptist church offending literally the entire world, why worry about some college kids putting on a black mass? To me, religion in general is dumb and is all fictitious anyway, and every religion wants to protest the practice of another..... Like i said, y'all religious crazies need to put on your big kid undies and grow up.
 
2014-05-12 06:29:25 PM  

Weaver95: Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-12 06:30:24 PM  
Judging by their crooked, vile ways, anything these fiends (Catholics) don't like must be wholesome and dandy.  What will they have to do to get the infamy they deserve?
 
2014-05-12 06:31:34 PM  

Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.


Wait so you think demons exist in the literal sense?  And that they will somehow get all 100 people at this event?
 
2014-05-12 06:33:22 PM  

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: yanceylebeef: Wait...the Harvard President's name is Faust?

Someone is playing shenanigans.

Was going to say the same thing - this article CAN'T be real with that name in play, can it?


www.harvard.edu

What Harvard President Drew Faust might look like.

/admit it, you thought it would be a guy too.
 
2014-05-12 06:33:34 PM  

genner: Mouser: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Perhaps they could hold a witch-burning, too.  You know, as an educational exercise.

...and maybe some blackface theater while their at it.


Being black is a choice.
 
2014-05-12 06:33:36 PM  

SnakeLee: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Wait so you think demons exist in the literal sense?  And that they will somehow get all 100 people at this event?


Of course demons exist.  Haven't you been down in a whiskey bottle before?
 
2014-05-12 06:34:33 PM  
as one who just GIS "black mass" and saw the free expression of nudity, I for one, have no problem with this.

/Carry on you crazy kids
 
2014-05-12 06:35:18 PM  

Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.


Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.
 
2014-05-12 06:37:20 PM  

FlashHarry: i've heard that black masses are bigger and sturdier than their white counterparts.


It's not the size of the holy book, it's how you use it!
 
2014-05-12 06:39:17 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: FlashHarry: i've heard that black masses are bigger and sturdier than their white counterparts.

It's not the size of the holy book, it's how you use it!


The shorter your book the better your tongue wagging about it must be
 
2014-05-12 06:39:40 PM  
This is the semi-pro level of trolling, though. There's no real risk of backlash or public shaming by the Catholics.

These guys should step up to the big leagues and embrace a spirit of arbeit macht frei and commit some old-fashioned anti-semitism, or host a gallery night devoted to depictions of Muhammad through the ages. Preferably something avant garde involving women's study's majors using old menstrual blood.
 
2014-05-12 06:40:36 PM  

iheartscotch: They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?


Christians, especially Catholicism, have no right to complain about desecrating other religions, given it's history.
 
2014-05-12 06:41:16 PM  

iheartscotch: Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.


lparchive.org
Satan is a pretty damn useful all-around Persona.

(I've always wanted to get a tattoo of one of those Goetic demon emblems. They look super cool, and would have the added bonus of freaking out people who think they actually do anything.)
 
2014-05-12 06:42:02 PM  

iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.


You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?
 
2014-05-12 06:42:31 PM  

Tax Boy: EqualOpportunityEnslaver: yanceylebeef: Wait...the Harvard President's name is Faust?

Someone is playing shenanigans.

Was going to say the same thing - this article CAN'T be real with that name in play, can it?



What Harvard President Drew Faust might look like.

/admit it, you thought it would be a guy too.


Indeed I did. The More You Know.....
 
2014-05-12 06:43:31 PM  
FTFA: But Harvard University President Drew Faust called the plans to reenact a black Mass "abhorrent" and a "fundamental affront to values of inclusion, belonging and mutual respect that must define our community."

...

Wait.

I thought the values of inclusion would stipulate that more than the viewpoint you like be included too.

Why doesn't the president of Harvard know the meaning of this word?
 
2014-05-12 06:44:46 PM  

MassAsster: iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.

You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?


I'm guessing the concept of evil predates 67 AD or so.
 
2014-05-12 06:44:58 PM  

iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.


Uh huh. I'll th rub the bible on my ass until I chafe and it still won't make fairy tales real. Demons are as fictional as flying carpets, Ents and Voltron.

A black mass carries with it exactly the same level of supernatural threat that any other mystic/religious ceremony does - none at all.
 
2014-05-12 06:45:08 PM  

fusillade762: genner: Mouser: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Perhaps they could hold a witch-burning, too.  You know, as an educational exercise.

...and maybe some blackface theater while their at it.

Being black is a choice.


You missed the part were they're celebrating  the rich history of different cultural practices and not trying to offend anyone.
 
2014-05-12 06:45:33 PM  

MassAsster: iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.

You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?


crimemagazine.com

You're right, there is no such thing as evil
 
2014-05-12 06:45:35 PM  

Weaver95: Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.


According to Anton Levay himself it's just Ayn Rand's philosophy with some rituals thrown in. No worship of anything except the ego, and the almighty dollar. Ideal for the modern CEO. No surprise Harvard is embracing it.
 
2014-05-12 06:47:09 PM  

grumpfuff: iheartscotch: They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Christians, especially Catholicism, have no right to complain about desecrating other religions, given it's history.


I assume you refer to the Second Crusade and Richard the Lionheart's various deeds? Especially, the massacre of Ayyadieh?

I assure you; that those events happened 900 years ago, if they happened at all. Everyone who was involved those acts are all dead. Their great grand children are dead too.
 
2014-05-12 06:47:29 PM  

This text is now purple: This is the semi-pro level of trolling, though. There's no real risk of backlash or public shaming by the Catholics.

These guys should step up to the big leagues and embrace a spirit of arbeit macht frei and commit some old-fashioned anti-semitism, or host a gallery night devoted to depictions of Muhammad through the ages. Preferably something avant garde involving women's study's majors using old menstrual blood.


In Boston?!? You're not very familiar with Boston, are you? It's a pretty Catholic place.
 
2014-05-12 06:47:45 PM  
So will there be a lot of dancing around and people in really awesome looking suits?
 
2014-05-12 06:48:16 PM  
And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.
 
2014-05-12 06:48:31 PM  
Of course if the group were to perform a mockery of Islam, democrats wpuld be lining up to denigrate the group; see Brandeis
 
2014-05-12 06:48:32 PM  

Trayal: I thought the values of inclusion would stipulate that more than the viewpoint you like be included too.

Why doesn't the president of Harvard know the meaning of this word?


Not understanding that word is a job requirement.
 
2014-05-12 06:49:30 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: MassAsster: iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.

You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?

[crimemagazine.com image 402x402]

You're right, there is no such thing as evil



ok... we can travel down that road.

upload.wikimedia.org


/Point was, the concept of "the devil" -  every Hero needs a nemesis
 
2014-05-12 06:50:10 PM  

mongbiohazard: iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.

Uh huh. I'll th rub the bible on my ass until I chafe and it still won't make fairy tales real. Demons are as fictional as flying carpets, Ents and Voltron.

A black mass carries with it exactly the same level of supernatural threat that any other mystic/religious ceremony does - none at all.


YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!!!

/Treebeard is my friend
 
2014-05-12 06:50:40 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Weaver95: Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

According to Anton Levay himself it's just Ayn Rand's philosophy with some rituals thrown in. No worship of anything except the ego, and the almighty dollar. Ideal for the modern CEO. No surprise Harvard is embracing it.


I do love when you liberals show your utmost ignorance of Rand. Yes. She lived the dollar, except for the fact that honoring the dollar was exactly the opposite of what We The Living or The Fountainhead did. Both had destitute heroes and rich villains.

So other than utter ignorance, what was the point of your rant?
 
2014-05-12 06:50:58 PM  

Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.


You know what's good after a Hindu wedding?  Going out for some extra sacred burgers.

// Hindu weddings are farking awesome other than the lack of beef.
 
2014-05-12 06:51:05 PM  

iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Christians, especially Catholicism, have no right to complain about desecrating other religions, given it's history.

I assume you refer to the Second Crusade and Richard the Lionheart's various deeds? Especially, the massacre of Ayyadieh?

I assure you; that those events happened 900 years ago, if they happened at all. Everyone who was involved those acts are all dead. Their great grand children are dead too.


Too bad there aren't more recent examples. Like maybe the wholesale destruction of the religions and cultures of the Americas.
 
2014-05-12 06:51:23 PM  

iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Christians, especially Catholicism, have no right to complain about desecrating other religions, given it's history.

I assume you refer to the Second Crusade and Richard the Lionheart's various deeds? Especially, the massacre of Ayyadieh?

I assure you; that those events happened 900 years ago, if they happened at all. Everyone who was involved those acts are all dead. Their great grand children are dead too.


I was actually referring to the systematic wiping out of pagan beliefs(and opposing Christian beliefs) that lead to the Vatican's rise to power, and their continual dismissal of anything not Christian as evil or Satanic.

And...Crusade denial? Really? That's a thing?
 
2014-05-12 06:51:50 PM  
It ain't a Black Mass without an alter.

/She better be hot!
 
2014-05-12 06:52:48 PM  
Not sure why there's a problem with this really. The whole point of satanism is to be the opposite of christian (mostly catholic) dogma. Depending on the version of satanism that is. As someone who is about to enter his 40s, I just can't find the time to care that much. I used to get mad that people came to my door on the weekends to try to convert me. Now, I just kindly say "No Thank you" and let them get on with their day. I guess I can understand the catholic position on it but, they really need to realize that, its not their call.
 
2014-05-12 06:53:30 PM  
I hear they are going to drink blood, eat flesh, dress in weird robes and burn candles...how this is different from a regular Catholic Mass I am not sure,maybe they don't like the competition?
 
2014-05-12 06:53:48 PM  

iheartscotch: / you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.


Demons aren't real. Evil is not a force.
 
2014-05-12 06:54:10 PM  

MassAsster: iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.

You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?


Evil, as personified as Satan, is a poorly disguised version of the Greek god Hades.

Still, the universe is a pretty vast place. Who's to say that there aren't forces that are beyond our understanding?

I will admit; I spent my formative years getting indoctrinated by nuns. The church has problems; I'll admit that. But, that doesn't mean that I'm going to lead the black mass and sacrifice a virgin to Quetzalcoatl. It's just verboten.
 
2014-05-12 06:54:47 PM  

Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.


That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.
 
2014-05-12 06:57:07 PM  

MyRandomName: So other than utter ignorance, what was the point of your rant?


The part of it that relates to this article. I might have been wrong about her worshiping money, but Satanism is still just hollow self worship. Not anything for Christians to be afraid of. Many of them are just as guilty of it themselves.
 
2014-05-12 06:57:54 PM  

burnvictim: the catholic position on it


Missionary?
 
2014-05-12 06:59:09 PM  

genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.


And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.
 
2014-05-12 06:59:23 PM  

fusillade762: burnvictim: the catholic position on it

Missionary?


Missionary up the butt to preserve virginity
 
2014-05-12 06:59:24 PM  

fusillade762: burnvictim: the catholic position on it

Missionary?


Yes, and with no condom apparently
 
2014-05-12 07:00:00 PM  
Aren't satanists just really trolly atheists?
 
2014-05-12 07:00:22 PM  
Deathbent
Warped mind
Tripped out
Out of line
Body count rise again
Sick and hellbent
Broke and twisted
The end isn't far behind
 
2014-05-12 07:01:24 PM  

mongbiohazard: iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.

Uh huh. I'll th rub the bible on my ass until I chafe and it still won't make fairy tales real. Demons are as fictional as flying carpets, Ents and Voltron.

A black mass carries with it exactly the same level of supernatural threat that any other mystic/religious ceremony does - none at all.


Ok, have fun storming the castle!

You can sacrifice all the goats you want. I just think that it's in poor taste. And a waste of goat meat. I don't think they'll actually manage to summon anything; besides the cops if they play their music too loud.
 
2014-05-12 07:02:28 PM  

s2s2s2: Aren't satanists just really trolly atheists?


Yes.  Fark didn't exist back then, so they were doing the best they could.
 
2014-05-12 07:02:41 PM  
Well I hope somebody films it, I want to see the what a $30k/semester buys at the  Intellect Store.
 
2014-05-12 07:02:59 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-05-12 07:03:09 PM  

Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.


Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.
 
2014-05-12 07:03:13 PM  
Satanism is religious trolling.

/so stop feeding the trolls, Catholics.
 
2014-05-12 07:03:57 PM  

abhorrent1: Does "black mass" mean frat bros anally raping pledges?


No, that's Tuesday.
 
2014-05-12 07:05:46 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: Weaver95: Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

According to Anton Levay himself it's just Ayn Rand's philosophy with some rituals thrown in. No worship of anything except the ego, and the almighty dollar. Ideal for the modern CEO. No surprise Harvard is embracing it.


in some ways that's even worse.  a general call to whatever happens to be skulking around and asking it to come for a visit?  unwise.  if you're going to do a full on ritual, it had better be focused and have a clearly defined purpose.  'putting on a show' is just an invitation for trouble.  good luck with that!
 
2014-05-12 07:06:41 PM  
"It is deeply regrettable that the organizers of this event

it mocks a deeply sacred event in Catholicism, and is highly offensive to many in the Church and beyond."

"deep sadness and strong opposition"

to stage an event that is so deeply disturbing and offensive to many


Ok enough we EXTREMELY get it. Relax yourself EXTREMELY and take an extreme chill pill already.
 
2014-05-12 07:07:27 PM  

iheartscotch: MassAsster: iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.

You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?

Evil, as personified as Satan, is a poorly disguised version of the Greek god Hades.

Still, the universe is a pretty vast place. Who's to say that there aren't forces that are beyond our understanding?

I will admit; I spent my formative years getting indoctrinated by nuns. The church has problems; I'll admit that. But, that doesn't mean that I'm going to lead the black mass and sacrifice a virgin to Quetzalcoatl. It's just verboten.


Forces "beyond our understanding" doesn't mean "ridiculous winged 1/2 goat creatures who tempt you, and you shouldn't eat meat on Friday". It really means "gee, a Grand Unified Theory is farking hard for our little mammal brains."
 
2014-05-12 07:08:05 PM  

grumpfuff: iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Christians, especially Catholicism, have no right to complain about desecrating other religions, given it's history.

I assume you refer to the Second Crusade and Richard the Lionheart's various deeds? Especially, the massacre of Ayyadieh?

I assure you; that those events happened 900 years ago, if they happened at all. Everyone who was involved those acts are all dead. Their great grand children are dead too.

I was actually referring to the systematic wiping out of pagan beliefs(and opposing Christian beliefs) that lead to the Vatican's rise to power, and their continual dismissal of anything not Christian as evil or Satanic.

And...Crusade denial? Really? That's a thing?


You mean like the wiping out of the cult of Dionysus in the centuries following Rome's acceptance of Christianity? That's even older than the crusades.

I'm not denying that the crusades happened; I'm questioning what actually happened. How can we ever be sure that Richard the Lionheart actually lead a coalition of 35,000 men to reconquer the holy land from Salidin?
 
2014-05-12 07:08:43 PM  
Mugato: Who spends the money to go to Harvard to major in "cultural studies"?

/and yeah, "Faust"? That's a joke, right?


It's no joke.  Those guys aren't there for the education, they're there to meet other rich and otherwise well connected scions of the 1%.
The girl behind me in NOT Harvard was very honest about it.  "My parents sent me here to get married to a doctor or a lawyer".  That's from my 1992 class, Intro to Illustration.  I'm sure she's done far better than I.

Think - George Bush, Is it more clear now?

not being snarky-apologies if it comes off that way
 
2014-05-12 07:10:07 PM  

iheartscotch: Evil, as personified as Satan, is a poorly disguised version of the Greek god Hades.

Still, the universe is a pretty vast place. Who's to say that there aren't forces that are beyond our understanding?

I will admit; I spent my formative years getting indoctrinated by nuns. The church has problems; I'll admit that. But, that doesn't mean that I'm going to lead the black mass and sacrifice a virgin to Quetzalcoatl. It's just verboten.


There is so much wrong in this post, I'm not even sure where to begin. Let's try though.

Satan is an appropriation of the satan(the adversary) from the OT. However, instead of being God's prosecutor, he's now an independent evil force. His image largely stems from appropriations of the Greek god Pan, while his attitude and personality comes mostly from the OT.

The universe is a pretty vast place, sure, but that does not logically entail there is a force for evil. Your conclusion does not follow the premise.

There is no human sacrifice at a Black Mass, and there never was.

Finally, Quetzacoatl was an Aztec god(Kukulkan to the Maya, , the civilizing god who brought things such as architecture, math, and writing. Most human sacrifices were offered to  Tezcatlipoca, not Quetzacoatl.
 
2014-05-12 07:11:24 PM  

genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.


Because religion is a choice and race is not.

Because religion has been used to justify and perpetuate racism, slavery and other forms of discrimination over the centuries.

Because racial minorities have needed protection and religious majorities have been what people need protection from.

Etc.etc.etc...
 
2014-05-12 07:11:54 PM  
grumpfuff:The universe is a pretty vast place, sure, but that does not logically entail there is a force for evil. Your conclusion does not follow the premise.

which isn't to say there might not be something out there that just likes to show up and call itself the universal force for evil.
 
2014-05-12 07:12:32 PM  

Mugato: abhorrent1: Does "black mass" mean frat bros anally raping pledges?

No, that's Tuesday.


And the rest of the time it's top-shelf pussy others could only dream of?
 
2014-05-12 07:12:56 PM  

Marcintosh: Those guys aren't there for the education, they're there to meet other rich and otherwise well connected scions of the 1%.
The girl behind me in NOT Harvard was very honest about it.  "My parents sent me here to get married to a doctor or a lawyer"


Ugh. That's disgusting. Not surprising though.
 
2014-05-12 07:14:31 PM  

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: yanceylebeef: Wait...the Harvard President's name is Faust?

Someone is playing shenanigans.

Was going to say the same thing - this article CAN'T be real with that name in play, can it?


And his first name is "Drew". Between the Black Mass and the Maker's Mark...
 
2014-05-12 07:17:10 PM  

iheartscotch: Evil, as personified as Satan, is a poorly disguised version of the Greek god Hades.


I thought Satan (or Lucifer, if you will) was just an angel who questioned God's will and got thrown into Hell. I don't think he even did all that much that was evil. He didn't flood the planet or tell a guy to kill his son for example.

I guess what I'm saying is, Hail Satan!

/the Al Pacino Satan, the Robert DeNiro Satan was kind of boring
 
2014-05-12 07:18:21 PM  

iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Christians, especially Catholicism, have no right to complain about desecrating other religions, given it's history.

I assume you refer to the Second Crusade and Richard the Lionheart's various deeds? Especially, the massacre of Ayyadieh?

I assure you; that those events happened 900 years ago, if they happened at all. Everyone who was involved those acts are all dead. Their great grand children are dead too.

I was actually referring to the systematic wiping out of pagan beliefs(and opposing Christian beliefs) that lead to the Vatican's rise to power, and their continual dismissal of anything not Christian as evil or Satanic.

And...Crusade denial? Really? That's a thing?

You mean like the wiping out of the cult of Dionysus in the centuries following Rome's acceptance of Christianity? That's even older than the crusades.

I'm not denying that the crusades happened; I'm questioning what actually happened. How can we ever be sure that Richard the Lionheart actually lead a coalition of 35,000 men to reconquer the holy land from Salidin?


Yes the examples are older than the crusades. That still does not excuse their continual insistence that anything non-Christian is evil/Satanic.

As to the Crusades, really? You're just asking questions, huh? Unless you have an actual, valid reason for doubting what happened besides "I don't like it."
 
2014-05-12 07:20:18 PM  

mongbiohazard: iheartscotch: MassAsster: iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.

You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?

Evil, as personified as Satan, is a poorly disguised version of the Greek god Hades.

Still, the universe is a pretty vast place. Who's to say that there aren't forces that are beyond our understanding?

I will admit; I spent my formative years getting indoctrinated by nuns. The church has problems; I'll admit that. But, that doesn't mean that I'm going to lead the black mass and sacrifice a virgin to Quetzalcoatl. It's just verboten.

Forces "beyond our understanding" doesn't mean "ridiculous winged 1/2 goat creatures who tempt you, and you shouldn't eat meat on Friday". It really means "gee, a Grand Unified Theory is farking hard for our little mammal brains."


The meat thing is actually just a US thing. Basically, Pius the XII (I think it was him) decreed that US Catholics should eat fish on Fridays to help Europe to recover from WWII by providing a market for European fish. Currently, it's only Fridays during Lent. It's supposed to signify sacrifice, or something.

You guys have fun at your black mass; don't bother saving a place for me. I just don't like the idea of some poor animal having to die; or seeing a cross/other relic desecrated.
 
2014-05-12 07:20:26 PM  

s2s2s2: Aren't satanists just really trolly atheists?


My experience has been that they are Christians going through a rebellious phase.
 
2014-05-12 07:20:30 PM  
Who told Catholics they get to decide what's a real religion and what is not?  Every religion, from Catholicism to Branch Davidians to the Oracle of Delphi to Satanism to Santa Claus are are equally valid and equally invalid (eg, all of them are mythology - there are no gods, just frightened people trying to explain thunder and death).  They all have adherents, miracles, and visions, and they all think their religion is the only true religion.  Catholics offend me (although I think the new pope is kinda awesome), but I wouldn't prohibit them from practicing their mythology and holding their masses.  Either there is freedom of religion or there is not.  Catholics didn't invent religion, morality, or faith.  If you want to oppress religions you don't like, move to the Middle East.  Or get over yourselves and respect your fellow man.

Ultimately, religion, despite the lie it is, serves a valuable function in society.  It keeps the weak, stupid, and immoral in check for fear of Hell.  If you need fear to make you a good person because you have no moral compass of your own and can't think for yourself, then amen.  But know your place; Catholicism is merely one thread in the tapestry of world religions.
 
2014-05-12 07:20:33 PM  

This text is now purple: This is the semi-pro level of trolling, though. There's no real risk of backlash or public shaming by the Catholics.

These guys should step up to the big leagues and embrace a spirit of arbeit macht frei and commit some old-fashioned anti-semitism, or host a gallery night devoted to depictions of Muhammad through the ages. Preferably something avant garde involving women's study's majors using old menstrual blood.


Ahem, it's called Womyn"s Studies you misogynist idiot.
 
2014-05-12 07:21:03 PM  

mongbiohazard: genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.

Because religion is a choice and race is not.

Because religion has been used to justify and perpetuate racism, slavery and other forms of discrimination over the centuries.

Because racial minorities have needed protection and religious majorities have been what people need protection from.

Etc.etc.etc...



So it's legal to discriminate based on religion now?
Cool I'm gonna get one of these.

www.crisismagazine.com
 
2014-05-12 07:22:06 PM  

Ed Grubermann: s2s2s2: Aren't satanists just really trolly atheists?

My experience has been that they are Christians going through a rebellious phase.


He's actually right. The Satanic Verses by Anton LeVay has nothing to do with Satan. It's pretty much atheism that uses the name "Satan" for brand recognition.
 
2014-05-12 07:22:53 PM  

genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.


Appeal to emotion. *yawn*
 
2014-05-12 07:24:45 PM  

iheartscotch: I just don't like the idea of some poor animal having to die; or seeing a cross/other relic desecrated.


There are no animal sacrifices at Black Masses either.

Also, a cross is not a relic unless it has an actual "relic" in it.

Maybe instead of getting offended and afraid of other religions, you should try learning about them.
 
2014-05-12 07:26:43 PM  

mongbiohazard: "ridiculous winged 1/2 goat creatures who tempt you, and you shouldn't eat meat on Friday"


It might. . .

It'd be an awful waste of space if there wasn't something interesting out there

mediaserver.pulse2.com
 
2014-05-12 07:26:48 PM  
I might have been to a black mass once. There were a lot of people singing hymnals and women in big hats fanning themselves and I think James Brown was there,
 
2014-05-12 07:28:09 PM  

genner: mongbiohazard: genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.

Because religion is a choice and race is not.

Because religion has been used to justify and perpetuate racism, slavery and other forms of discrimination over the centuries.

Because racial minorities have needed protection and religious majorities have been what people need protection from.

Etc.etc.etc...


So it's legal to discriminate based on religion now?
Cool I'm gonna get one of these.


So are you just desperately searching for some justification to discriminate? Because that's what your posts come off as.

I simply explained how false your false equivalence was... And you take that to mean "Oh! Then that must mean he's saying it's OK to discriminate!"

Someone simply being allowed to practice a religious ceremony that is contradictory to another religion is actually the opposite of discrimination. Sorry that's a difficult concept for you to understand.
 
2014-05-12 07:30:10 PM  

Marcintosh: Mugato: Who spends the money to go to Harvard to major in "cultural studies"?

/and yeah, "Faust"? That's a joke, right?

It's no joke.  Those guys aren't there for the education, they're there to meet other rich and otherwise well connected scions of the 1%.
The girl behind me in NOT Harvard was very honest about it.  "My parents sent me here to get married to a doctor or a lawyer".  That's from my 1992 class, Intro to Illustration.  I'm sure she's done far better than I.

Think - George Bush, Is it more clear now?

not being snarky-apologies if it comes off that way

Agrees

img.fark.net
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0304415
 
2014-05-12 07:32:13 PM  

Mugato: I thought Satan (or Lucifer, if you will) was just an angel who questioned God's will and got thrown into Hell. I don't think he even did all that much that was evil. He didn't flood the planet or tell a guy to kill his son for example.

I guess what I'm saying is, Hail Satan!

/the Al Pacino Satan, the Robert DeNiro Satan was kind of boring


He's a humanist.  I'd be pleased to meet him.
 
2014-05-12 07:32:19 PM  

mongbiohazard: genner: mongbiohazard: genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.

Because religion is a choice and race is not.

Because religion has been used to justify and perpetuate racism, slavery and other forms of discrimination over the centuries.

Because racial minorities have needed protection and religious majorities have been what people need protection from.

Etc.etc.etc...


So it's legal to discriminate based on religion now?
Cool I'm gonna get one of these.

So are you just desperately searching for some justification to discriminate? Because that's what your posts come off as.

I simply explained how false your false equivalence was... And you take that to mean "Oh! Then that must mean he's saying it's OK to discriminate!"

Someone simply being allowed to practice a religious ceremony that is contradictory to another religion is actually the opposite of discrimination. Sorry that's a difficult concept for you to understand.


Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.
 
2014-05-12 07:33:19 PM  

grumpfuff: iheartscotch: I just don't like the idea of some poor animal having to die; or seeing a cross/other relic desecrated.

There are no animal sacrifices at Black Masses either.

Also, a cross is not a relic unless it has an actual "relic" in it.

Maybe instead of getting offended and afraid of other religions, you should try learning about them.


I like the cut of your jib.. you're going places, feel free to take a corner office.
 
2014-05-12 07:34:20 PM  
The internet always surprises me with how many people believe in literal demons.  It kind of sucks that they're not real because it would be cool to be boys with one; I bet they would have an interesting perspective on things if they existed
 
2014-05-12 07:34:34 PM  

Mugato: Ed Grubermann: s2s2s2: Aren't satanists just really trolly atheists?

My experience has been that they are Christians going through a rebellious phase.

He's actually right. The Satanic Verses by Anton LeVay has nothing to do with Satan. It's pretty much atheism that uses the name "Satan" for brand recognition.


Everyone I've ever met who's called themselves a "Satanist" was a Christian, usually a Catholic or a Evangelical, trying to scare or anger their parents. But, I don't know many Satanists as I have a bad habit of laughing in their faces for being typical Hot Topic poseurs.
 
2014-05-12 07:35:16 PM  
FTFA: A narrator will explain the history of the rituals to the expected crowd of 100 or so, according to the Satanic Temple, a New York-based group that announced the ceremony last week.

i.imgur.com

Yeah...unless there is an actual scholar of Satanism involved, I expect the 'narrator' to be mostly spouting either complete speculation or pure bullshiat.
 
2014-05-12 07:35:24 PM  

Mugato: I might have been to a black mass once. There were a lot of people singing hymnals and women in big hats fanning themselves and I think James Brown was there,


Nice.
 
2014-05-12 07:35:48 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: mongbiohazard: "ridiculous winged 1/2 goat creatures who tempt you, and you shouldn't eat meat on Friday"

It might. . .

It'd be an awful waste of space if there wasn't something interesting out there


There's tons of interesting things "out there".

But thinking that Optimus Prime is real, and actually fighting Decepticons on Cybertron is preposterous. Not only that, but exaggerating fairy tales some people wrote to the level of real life wonder only debases the wonder of the amazing shiat that really is in our universe. It also cripples our society's ability as a whole to understand them.

"There are stars that could contain a large portion of our solar system within themselves. Isn't that amazing?"

"Smurfs are real and we must live our lives according to their teachings! That's equally amazing!"
 
2014-05-12 07:36:09 PM  

grumpfuff: iheartscotch: Evil, as personified as Satan, is a poorly disguised version of the Greek god Hades.

Still, the universe is a pretty vast place. Who's to say that there aren't forces that are beyond our understanding?

I will admit; I spent my formative years getting indoctrinated by nuns. The church has problems; I'll admit that. But, that doesn't mean that I'm going to lead the black mass and sacrifice a virgin to Quetzalcoatl. It's just verboten.

There is so much wrong in this post, I'm not even sure where to begin. Let's try though.

Satan is an appropriation of the satan(the adversary) from the OT. However, instead of being God's prosecutor, he's now an independent evil force. His image largely stems from appropriations of the Greek god Pan, while his attitude and personality comes mostly from the OT.

The universe is a pretty vast place, sure, but that does not logically entail there is a force for evil. Your conclusion does not follow the premise.

There is no human sacrifice at a Black Mass, and there never was.

Finally, Quetzacoatl was an Aztec god(Kukulkan to the Maya, , the civilizing god who brought things such as architecture, math, and writing. Most human sacrifices were offered to  Tezcatlipoca, not Quetzacoatl.


I will admit; the imagery that describes satan physically is very similar to Pan. But, as ruler of the underworld (or in this case hell), Satan is Hades with Poseidon's trident standing in as a pitchfork. I agree; a lot of what is in the New Testament is copied from the old.

Perhaps you're right and there is no force for evil in the Universe. The point is; we don't know.

I realize that modern black masses do not entail human sacrifice. Do you think that the black mass is a modern concept? It's not.

Excuse me for mixing up my Mayan gods. I always confuse Tezacatlipoca with Quetzacoatl.
 
2014-05-12 07:38:36 PM  

MassAsster: You ever stop and think that maybe "evil" was created by the church to back-up it's belief system and keep you in the church?


You ever stop and think that maybe you're just a useful tool of the Qlippothic Legions of Sitra Achra?
 
2014-05-12 07:39:19 PM  

Somacandra: FTFA: A narrator will explain the history of the rituals to the expected crowd of 100 or so, according to the Satanic Temple, a New York-based group that announced the ceremony last week.



Yeah...unless there is an actual scholar of Satanism involved, I expect the 'narrator' to be mostly spouting either complete speculation or pure bullshiat.


i imagined the highway to hell as alot larger, maybe 4-6 lanes, kinda like i-75...
 
2014-05-12 07:40:28 PM  

Mugato: I might have been to a black mass once. There were a lot of people singing hymnals and women in big hats fanning themselves and I think James Brown was there,


No, that was just you dreaming about being in The Blues Brothers movie again.
 
2014-05-12 07:40:31 PM  

genner: Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.


Wrong. LeVey and his followers may be atheist trolls, but there are several other forms of Satanism that are theistic.


Ed Grubermann: Mugato: Ed Grubermann: s2s2s2: Aren't satanists just really trolly atheists?

My experience has been that they are Christians going through a rebellious phase.

He's actually right. The Satanic Verses by Anton LeVay has nothing to do with Satan. It's pretty much atheism that uses the name "Satan" for brand recognition.

Everyone I've ever met who's called themselves a "Satanist" was a Christian, usually a Catholic or a Evangelical, trying to scare or anger their parents. But, I don't know many Satanists as I have a bad habit of laughing in their faces for being typical Hot Topic poseurs.


Satan worship predates Hot Topic by centuries.
 
2014-05-12 07:41:08 PM  

MassAsster: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: I just don't like the idea of some poor animal having to die; or seeing a cross/other relic desecrated.

There are no animal sacrifices at Black Masses either.

Also, a cross is not a relic unless it has an actual "relic" in it.

Maybe instead of getting offended and afraid of other religions, you should try learning about them.

I like the cut of your jib.. you're going places, feel free to take a corner office.


I got to put my Comparative Religion degree to some use.
 
2014-05-12 07:41:23 PM  

genner: mongbiohazard: genner: mongbiohazard: genner: Ed Grubermann: genner: Ed Grubermann: And? Your sacred cows are my cheeseburgers. Get over yourselves.

That philosophy is all fun and games until some grinds your beliefs into a patty.

And how is their right to believe superseded by my demand to not be offended? Oh, right. It isn't.

Just ask yourself what would have happened if they were putting on a blackface production  and then explain why that isn't happening here.

Because religion is a choice and race is not.

Because religion has been used to justify and perpetuate racism, slavery and other forms of discrimination over the centuries.

Because racial minorities have needed protection and religious majorities have been what people need protection from.

Etc.etc.etc...


So it's legal to discriminate based on religion now?
Cool I'm gonna get one of these.

So are you just desperately searching for some justification to discriminate? Because that's what your posts come off as.

I simply explained how false your false equivalence was... And you take that to mean "Oh! Then that must mean he's saying it's OK to discriminate!"

Someone simply being allowed to practice a religious ceremony that is contradictory to another religion is actually the opposite of discrimination. Sorry that's a difficult concept for you to understand.

Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.


No one believes in Satan? It's kind of depressing but LOTS of Americans believe in Satan. Are you saying you know no one who believes in Satan will show up or appreciate this?

And the organizers are also organizing a Shinto ceremony as well. Are you telling me that they're not actually Shinto? Zounds! What a mockery!

Maybe you're just missing the actual point. Have you considered that possibility?
 
2014-05-12 07:42:15 PM  

MassAsster: Somacandra: FTFA: A narrator will explain the history of the rituals to the expected crowd of 100 or so, according to the Satanic Temple, a New York-based group that announced the ceremony last week.

Yeah...unless there is an actual scholar of Satanism involved, I expect the 'narrator' to be mostly spouting either complete speculation or pure bullshiat.


i imagined the highway to hell as alot larger, maybe 4-6 lanes, kinda like i-75...



i.imgur.com

I think you may be confusing Hell with Wisconsin. Its understandable.
 
2014-05-12 07:43:49 PM  

iheartscotch: I will admit; the imagery that describes satan physically is very similar to Pan. But, as ruler of the underworld (or in this case hell), Satan is Hades with Poseidon's trident standing in as a pitchfork. I agree; a lot of what is in the New Testament is copied from the old


No. Satan and Hades have little, if nothing to do with each other. The underworld in Greek/Roman mythology has nothing to do with the conception of hell in Christianity. Satan as he exists now is a fusion of "the satans" and Lucifer from the OT. The imagery comes directly from the idea of Pan, and why you think the trident comes from Poseidon is beyond me.
 
2014-05-12 07:43:58 PM  

mongbiohazard: "Smurfs are real and we must live our lives according to their teachings! That's equally amazing!"


I think you need to unhinge your imagination and listen to what the girl has to say


img.fark.net

If there is other lifeforms out there, alive at a time when we might meet them, I hope they look like this, are real friendly and are not hostile versions of this:

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-12 07:45:01 PM  

iheartscotch: I realize that modern black masses do not entail human sacrifice. Do you think that the black mass is a modern concept? It's not.


Provide citations showing human sacrifice at Black Masses, and I don't mean Vatican fear mongering, or STFU.
 
2014-05-12 07:45:09 PM  

grumpfuff: I got to put my Comparative Religion degree to some use.


You make a living with that? Do tell.
 
2014-05-12 07:45:14 PM  

SnakeLee: The internet always surprises me with how many people believe in literal demons.  It kind of sucks that they're not real because it would be cool to be boys with one; I bet they would have an interesting perspective on things if they existed


The widespread belief in these preposterous myths so far after we have discovered the atom and started to comprehend so much of how the universe works I find just incredibly farking depressing.
 
2014-05-12 07:46:21 PM  

mongbiohazard: And the organizers are also organizing a Shinto ceremony as well. Are you telling me that they're not actually Shinto? Zounds! What a mockery!


i.imgur.com

There's a modern tradition of "hosting" religious rituals with re-interpretations. My Catholic Church hosted a Seder when I was young. It was awful. And that was before I knew anything about Judaism.
 
2014-05-12 07:49:06 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: grumpfuff: I got to put my Comparative Religion degree to some use.

You make a living with that? Do tell.


lol no. I'm a bartender and do some odd jobs. That's why I have to try to put it to use on Fark.

Though I'm considering going back for my masters and getting into teaching/writing, some of my former professors are begging me to come back for graduate school.
 
2014-05-12 07:50:36 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: mongbiohazard: "Smurfs are real and we must live our lives according to their teachings! That's equally amazing!"

I think you need to unhinge your imagination and listen to what the girl has to say




If there is other lifeforms out there, alive at a time when we might meet them, I hope they look like this, are real friendly and are not hostile versions of this:


I got bad news for you, that first one reproduces by spore and lives in a poisonous high pressure, high temperature environment. Your wing-wang would be crushed and burned off almost instantly if you whipped it out for it. They do have a fantastic gift for creating metal and ceramic alloys though.

Now that second one? Big 'OK creampuff. Lots of vibrating orifices, and very friendly.
 
2014-05-12 07:51:14 PM  

Somacandra: mongbiohazard: And the organizers are also organizing a Shinto ceremony as well. Are you telling me that they're not actually Shinto? Zounds! What a mockery!

[i.imgur.com image 649x127]

There's a modern tradition of "hosting" religious rituals with re-interpretations. My Catholic Church hosted a Seder when I was young. It was awful. And that was before I knew anything about Judaism.


Oh Vatican II, you are a hoot.
 
2014-05-12 07:51:51 PM  

iheartscotch: Perhaps you're right and there is no force for evil in the Universe. The point is; we don't know.


We don't know that there isn't a china teapot in orbit around Jupiter. But until we have some actual evidence to support its existence we can assume it doesn't exist. We'd be better served trying to figure out why some people are just broken and sadistic.
 
2014-05-12 07:51:56 PM  

mongbiohazard: The widespread belief in these preposterous myths so far after we have discovered the atom and started to comprehend so much of how the universe works I find just incredibly farking depressing.


i.imgur.com

Science creates its own popular myth of eternal utopian progressivism, among others. Any science ultimately has to be re-narrativized in human culture using language concepts which are informed by both utopian and apocalyptic religion, among other forces. Sociolinguistic process of metaphor and metonymy that structure religion also structure the rest of human culture too, including science.
 
2014-05-12 07:53:07 PM  

Somacandra: mongbiohazard: And the organizers are also organizing a Shinto ceremony as well. Are you telling me that they're not actually Shinto? Zounds! What a mockery!



There's a modern tradition of "hosting" religious rituals with re-interpretations. My Catholic Church hosted a Seder when I was young. It was awful. And that was before I knew anything about Judaism.


I grew up with seders and I never cared for them either. Boring! Bunch of crap to memorize. Great meal though.
 
2014-05-12 07:54:30 PM  

Somacandra: MassAsster: Somacandra: FTFA: A narrator will explain the history of the rituals to the expected crowd of 100 or so, according to the Satanic Temple, a New York-based group that announced the ceremony last week.

Yeah...unless there is an actual scholar of Satanism involved, I expect the 'narrator' to be mostly spouting either complete speculation or pure bullshiat.

i imagined the highway to hell as alot larger, maybe 4-6 lanes, kinda like i-75...


[i.imgur.com image 674x636]

I think you may be confusing Hell with Wisconsin. Its understandable.


i loled
+1 to you
 
2014-05-12 07:54:47 PM  

grumpfuff: genner: Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.

Wrong. LeVey and his followers may be atheist trolls, but there are several other forms of Satanism that are theistic.


True but this group is clearly with the trolls.

From the article:

The temple does not believe in a real devil

and

"At its best," the black Mass "is a declaration of personal independence from what some see as counterproductive cultural programming," said Satanic Temple spokesman Lucien Greaves. Greaves said black Masses began as a protest by people who felt oppressed by their local religious cultures.

It's clearly nothing but angry backlash against Christianity.
If that constitutes a religion Fark should be a tax free church.
 
2014-05-12 07:55:08 PM  

grumpfuff: iheartscotch: I will admit; the imagery that describes satan physically is very similar to Pan. But, as ruler of the underworld (or in this case hell), Satan is Hades with Poseidon's trident standing in as a pitchfork. I agree; a lot of what is in the New Testament is copied from the old

No. Satan and Hades have little, if nothing to do with each other. The underworld in Greek/Roman mythology has nothing to do with the conception of hell in Christianity. Satan as he exists now is a fusion of "the satans" and Lucifer from the OT. The imagery comes directly from the idea of Pan, and why you think the trident comes from Poseidon is beyond me.


That's a very interesting point. I've always thought that the Christian idea of hell fed of the concept of Tartarus. I wonder where hell came from; if it didn't come from Tartarus.

Also, didn't Dante reference Tartarus in The Inferno? I'm thinking of the end of limbo and the end of the area for pagans who lived good lives, but, never converted to Christianity.

I'd never heard that satan was an amalgamation of Lucifer and the satans from the OT. Although, I could see it.

/ I said trident, because, tridents look like pitchforks.
 
2014-05-12 07:55:54 PM  

Bob Robert: grumpfuff: InterruptingQuirk: grumpfuff: I got to put my Comparative Religion degree to some use.

You make a living with that? Do tell.

lol no. I'm a bartender and do some odd jobs. That's why I have to try to put it to use on Fark.

Though I'm considering going back for my masters and getting into teaching/writing, some of my former professors are begging me to come back for graduate school.

Have you thought about joining the state department, a religious charity, or the cia?


I'm not religious, so I can't really bring myself to work for one. The last time I tried I got turned down for being an atheist.

As to the State Department/CIA, I like my pot.
 
2014-05-12 07:56:11 PM  

grumpfuff: Satan worship predates Hot Topic by centuries.


Just reporting my personal experience.
 
2014-05-12 07:57:27 PM  

genner: grumpfuff: genner: Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.

Wrong. LeVey and his followers may be atheist trolls, but there are several other forms of Satanism that are theistic.

True but this group is clearly with the trolls.

From the article:

The temple does not believe in a real devil

and

"At its best," the black Mass "is a declaration of personal independence from what some see as counterproductive cultural programming," said Satanic Temple spokesman Lucien Greaves. Greaves said black Masses began as a protest by people who felt oppressed by their local religious cultures.

It's clearly nothing but angry backlash against Christianity.
If that constitutes a religion Fark should be a tax free church.


WAAAAAHHHHH! PEOPLE WE TREATED LIKE shiat ARE FIGHTING BACK!!!!!
 
2014-05-12 07:59:23 PM  

Somacandra: mongbiohazard: The widespread belief in these preposterous myths so far after we have discovered the atom and started to comprehend so much of how the universe works I find just incredibly farking depressing.



Science creates its own popular myth of eternal utopian progressivism, among others. Any science ultimately has to be re-narrativized in human culture using language concepts which are informed by both utopian and apocalyptic religion, among other forces. Sociolinguistic process of metaphor and metonymy that structure religion also structure the rest of human culture too, including science.


No. Science is simply a set of practices for weeding out bad information and minimizing human bias while trying to solve puzzles.

PEOPLE do what you're describing, not "science". However by applying scientific thought to human problems you can achieve a better understanding of them. Maybe some you can solve, maybe some you can never solve, but science isn't a dogma - it's procedure.
 
2014-05-12 08:00:21 PM  

iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: I will admit; the imagery that describes satan physically is very similar to Pan. But, as ruler of the underworld (or in this case hell), Satan is Hades with Poseidon's trident standing in as a pitchfork. I agree; a lot of what is in the New Testament is copied from the old

No. Satan and Hades have little, if nothing to do with each other. The underworld in Greek/Roman mythology has nothing to do with the conception of hell in Christianity. Satan as he exists now is a fusion of "the satans" and Lucifer from the OT. The imagery comes directly from the idea of Pan, and why you think the trident comes from Poseidon is beyond me.

That's a very interesting point. I've always thought that the Christian idea of hell fed of the concept of Tartarus. I wonder where hell came from; if it didn't come from Tartarus.

Also, didn't Dante reference Tartarus in The Inferno? I'm thinking of the end of limbo and the end of the area for pagans who lived good lives, but, never converted to Christianity.

I'd never heard that satan was an amalgamation of Lucifer and the satans from the OT. Although, I could see it.

/ I said trident, because, tridents look like pitchforks.


How the hell did the Christian concept of hell feed the concept of Tartarus, when the concept of Tartarus predates Christianity(let alone the Christian idea of hell) by several centuries?

As to Dante, he referenced lots of historical and mythological figures. Because of early Christianity's fascination with all things Greek(especially Plato and Aristotle), the word Tartarus and the word hell became pretty much interchangable.
 
2014-05-12 08:01:02 PM  

Ed Grubermann: grumpfuff: Satan worship predates Hot Topic by centuries.

Just reporting my personal experience.


It was mostly just a general comment. Like I said, gotta put that degree to some use.
 
2014-05-12 08:01:15 PM  

mongbiohazard: I got bad news for you, that first one reproduces by spore and lives in a poisonous high pressure, high temperature environment. Your wing-wang would be crushed and burned off almost instantly if you whipped it out for it. They do have a fantastic gift for creating metal and ceramic alloys though.

Now that second one? Big 'OK creampuff. Lots of vibrating orifices, and very friendly.


Did you get left at home a lot sans transportation with a stocked kitchen during your formative years and your folks would come home and wonder how you managed to go through so much food?
 
2014-05-12 08:02:22 PM  

Ed Grubermann: iheartscotch: Perhaps you're right and there is no force for evil in the Universe. The point is; we don't know.

We don't know that there isn't a china teapot in orbit around Jupiter. But until we have some actual evidence to support its existence we can assume it doesn't exist. We'd be better served trying to figure out why some people are just broken and sadistic.


Russell's Teapot is not an argument. By cherry picking something people are predisposed to find ridiculous it undercuts any power it would have. No one has seen the interior of the Sun either, but it would be ridiculous to think it doesn't exist, even if we have no real concept of what it would be like---much much stranger to any of us than a ordinary teapot. The "reasonableness" of belief in any X depends on the already existing worldview. It doesn't demonstrate anything to anyone who doesn't already share that worldview.
 
2014-05-12 08:02:42 PM  

grumpfuff: genner: grumpfuff: genner: Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.

Wrong. LeVey and his followers may be atheist trolls, but there are several other forms of Satanism that are theistic.

True but this group is clearly with the trolls.

From the article:

The temple does not believe in a real devil

and

"At its best," the black Mass "is a declaration of personal independence from what some see as counterproductive cultural programming," said Satanic Temple spokesman Lucien Greaves. Greaves said black Masses began as a protest by people who felt oppressed by their local religious cultures.

It's clearly nothing but angry backlash against Christianity.
If that constitutes a religion Fark should be a tax free church.

WAAAAAHHHHH! PEOPLE WE TREATED LIKE shiat ARE FIGHTING BACK!!!!!


If that what their doing then they shouldn't  hide behind statements like this

"Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices."

 Be honest with your hate.
 
2014-05-12 08:02:53 PM  

Mugato: He's actually right. The Satanic Verses by Anton LeVay has nothing to do with Satan. It's pretty much atheism that uses the name "Satan" for brand recognition.


Ummm... Salmon Rushdie wrote the Satanic Verses.

ecx.images-amazon.com

/maybe this is the new Helen Keller meme?
 
2014-05-12 08:04:20 PM  

Dr.Fey: Ummm... Salmon Rushdie wrote the Satanic Verses.

/maybe this is the new Helen Keller meme?


Nothing gets past you.
 
2014-05-12 08:04:44 PM  

mongbiohazard: Somacandra: mongbiohazard: And the organizers are also organizing a Shinto ceremony as well. Are you telling me that they're not actually Shinto? Zounds! What a mockery!

There's a modern tradition of "hosting" religious rituals with re-interpretations. My Catholic Church hosted a Seder when I was young. It was awful. And that was before I knew anything about Judaism.

I grew up with seders and I never cared for them either. Boring! Bunch of crap to memorize. Great meal though.


I always preferred the larch.
 
2014-05-12 08:05:39 PM  

genner: grumpfuff: genner: grumpfuff: genner: Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.

Wrong. LeVey and his followers may be atheist trolls, but there are several other forms of Satanism that are theistic.

True but this group is clearly with the trolls.

From the article:

The temple does not believe in a real devil

and

"At its best," the black Mass "is a declaration of personal independence from what some see as counterproductive cultural programming," said Satanic Temple spokesman Lucien Greaves. Greaves said black Masses began as a protest by people who felt oppressed by their local religious cultures.

It's clearly nothing but angry backlash against Christianity.
If that constitutes a religion Fark should be a tax free church.

WAAAAAHHHHH! PEOPLE WE TREATED LIKE shiat ARE FIGHTING BACK!!!!!

If that what their doing then they shouldn't  hide behind statements like this

"Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices."

 Be honest with your hate.


The Harvard group is a group of students offering talks on several religions, not just LaVeyism. I would suspect that the person saying that is not actually a follower of LaVey.
 
2014-05-12 08:05:54 PM  
At first glance I thought they had a rational objection to the dark matter hypothesis. Silly me.
 
2014-05-12 08:06:54 PM  

genner: It's clearly nothing but angry backlash against Christianity.


And? This makes it just like blackface how? No one is under any obligation to pussyfoot around your beliefs. We're not living in a theocracy.
 
2014-05-12 08:11:34 PM  

Somacandra: Ed Grubermann: iheartscotch: Perhaps you're right and there is no force for evil in the Universe. The point is; we don't know.

We don't know that there isn't a china teapot in orbit around Jupiter. But until we have some actual evidence to support its existence we can assume it doesn't exist. We'd be better served trying to figure out why some people are just broken and sadistic.

Russell's Teapot is not an argument. By cherry picking something people are predisposed to find ridiculous it undercuts any power it would have. No one has seen the interior of the Sun either, but it would be ridiculous to think it doesn't exist, even if we have no real concept of what it would be like---much much stranger to any of us than a ordinary teapot. The "reasonableness" of belief in any X depends on the already existing worldview. It doesn't demonstrate anything to anyone who doesn't already share that worldview.


Save that we do know that the sun does, indeed, have an interior, and we have a lot of evidence telling us what it must be like and what's going on in there. We have zero credible evidence for the existence of "evil" as anything more than a label we put on behavior we find unacceptable or circumstances we find unpleasant, or natural disasters.
 
2014-05-12 08:14:38 PM  

iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: I will admit; the imagery that describes satan physically is very similar to Pan. But, as ruler of the underworld (or in this case hell), Satan is Hades with Poseidon's trident standing in as a pitchfork. I agree; a lot of what is in the New Testament is copied from the old

No. Satan and Hades have little, if nothing to do with each other. The underworld in Greek/Roman mythology has nothing to do with the conception of hell in Christianity. Satan as he exists now is a fusion of "the satans" and Lucifer from the OT. The imagery comes directly from the idea of Pan, and why you think the trident comes from Poseidon is beyond me.

That's a very interesting point. I've always thought that the Christian idea of hell fed of the concept of Tartarus. I wonder where hell came from; if it didn't come from Tartarus.

Also, didn't Dante reference Tartarus in The Inferno? I'm thinking of the end of limbo and the end of the area for pagans who lived good lives, but, never converted to Christianity.

I'd never heard that satan was an amalgamation of Lucifer and the satans from the OT. Although, I could see it.

/ I said trident, because, tridents look like pitchforks.


It's easy to conflate thousands of years of syncretism into a public image of puffs of smoke.  The OT had the concepts of Sheol or the Bosom of Abraham which built into the concept of a place of waiting, either in pain or in limbo. When Jesus did his thing on the cross, Christians felt that since he went down there and conquered it, they have no expectation of going there, unless they did something which prevents them automatic access to the heavenly abode.

A lot of what you perceive to be the beliefs of Christians pertaining to hell is born out of the minds of bored medievel monks absorbing the superstitions of the populations they converted into the fold to appease the masses as they adopted a new religion. Some of the time, the affectations of the old ways the people followed never got shed from the rituals. YMMV, as this is merely a super minority perspective and it has many other presentations in many different peoples views on this matter.
 
2014-05-12 08:15:18 PM  

grumpfuff: genner: grumpfuff: genner: grumpfuff: genner: Except it's not a religious ceremony. No one organizing this actually believes in Satan.Their doing this solely to mock a certain group of people. In that respect it's exactly like BlackFace.

Wrong. LeVey and his followers may be atheist trolls, but there are several other forms of Satanism that are theistic.

True but this group is clearly with the trolls.

From the article:

The temple does not believe in a real devil

and

"At its best," the black Mass "is a declaration of personal independence from what some see as counterproductive cultural programming," said Satanic Temple spokesman Lucien Greaves. Greaves said black Masses began as a protest by people who felt oppressed by their local religious cultures.

It's clearly nothing but angry backlash against Christianity.
If that constitutes a religion Fark should be a tax free church.

WAAAAAHHHHH! PEOPLE WE TREATED LIKE shiat ARE FIGHTING BACK!!!!!

If that what their doing then they shouldn't  hide behind statements like this

"Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices."

 Be honest with your hate.

The Harvard group is a group of students offering talks on several religions, not just LaVeyism. I would suspect that the person saying that is not actually a follower of LaVey.


Even if he doesn't my original point still stands. This particular satanic temple isn't a religion. It's  a group of trolls mocking Christianity. If they want to study Satanism as a religion they should find Satanists of the theistic variety. Because they aren't doing this I'm lead to believe they're with the trolls and not simply studying them.

.
 
2014-05-12 08:16:25 PM  

Ed Grubermann: iheartscotch: Perhaps you're right and there is no force for evil in the Universe. The point is; we don't know.

We don't know that there isn't a china teapot in orbit around Jupiter. But until we have some actual evidence to support its existence we can assume it doesn't exist. We'd be better served trying to figure out why some people are just broken and sadistic.


have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?

/ Also, circular logic works both ways.
 
2014-05-12 08:20:16 PM  

genner: Even if he doesn't my original point still stands. This particular satanic temple isn't a religion. It's  a group of trolls mocking Christianity.


And, your point? Are you suggesting no one should be allowed to criticize/mock Christianity?

genner: Because they aren't doing this I'm lead to believe they're with the trolls and not simply studying them.


Theistic Satanists tend not to be the attention whores that LeVeyists are, so they are harder to find. Also, they tend to practice alone, not in a group.
 
2014-05-12 08:20:51 PM  

iheartscotch: Ed Grubermann: iheartscotch: Perhaps you're right and there is no force for evil in the Universe. The point is; we don't know.

We don't know that there isn't a china teapot in orbit around Jupiter. But until we have some actual evidence to support its existence we can assume it doesn't exist. We'd be better served trying to figure out why some people are just broken and sadistic.

have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth?

/ Also, circular logic works both ways.


I don't see how that supports your case.
 
2014-05-12 08:21:19 PM  

grumpfuff: iheartscotch: I realize that modern black masses do not entail human sacrifice. Do you think that the black mass is a modern concept? It's not.

Provide citations showing human sacrifice at Black Masses, and I don't mean Vatican fear mongering, or STFU.


I'll just assume you don't want to hear about Friday October the 13th, 1307...

And I'll assume that you aware that the church had its grubby mitts all over most records before, say 1500?
 
2014-05-12 08:22:34 PM  

genner: Even if he doesn't my original point still stands. This particular satanic temple isn't a religion. It's  a group of trolls mocking Christianity. If they want to study Satanism as a religion they should find Satanists of the theistic variety. Because they aren't doing this I'm lead to believe they're with the trolls and not simply studying them.


Or they should get some good lawyers. Because Scientology isn't a religion any more than those self help guys on late night TV but they got some expensive attorneys and got made a religion for tax purposes. So the Satanists need to do what the Scientologists did get in with those people in Hollywood, you know those...people you know,,,,who have a lot of good lawyers among their ranks. Hey you said it, I didn't.
 
2014-05-12 08:24:53 PM  

WelldeadLink: A Black Mass, a Shinto tea ceremony, a Shaker exhibit and Buddhist meditation? Sounds like a party.


Or a long weekend in Vegas.
 
2014-05-12 08:25:23 PM  

mongbiohazard: Uh huh. I'll th rub the bible on my ass until I chafe and it still won't make fairy tales real. Demons are as fictional as flying carpets, Ents and Voltron.


Are you trying to say Voltron doesn't exist? You take that back!

mongbiohazard: There's tons of interesting things "out there".

But thinking that Optimus Prime is real, and actually fighting Decepticons on Cybertron is preposterous. Not only that, but exaggerating fairy tales some people wrote to the level of real life wonder only debases the wonder of the amazing shiat that really is in our universe. It also cripples our society's ability as a whole to understand them.


Everything the human mind has conceived is real.

www.badassoftheweek.com
 
2014-05-12 08:25:26 PM  

grumpfuff: iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: I will admit; the imagery that describes satan physically is very similar to Pan. But, as ruler of the underworld (or in this case hell), Satan is Hades with Poseidon's trident standing in as a pitchfork. I agree; a lot of what is in the New Testament is copied from the old

No. Satan and Hades have little, if nothing to do with each other. The underworld in Greek/Roman mythology has nothing to do with the conception of hell in Christianity. Satan as he exists now is a fusion of "the satans" and Lucifer from the OT. The imagery comes directly from the idea of Pan, and why you think the trident comes from Poseidon is beyond me.

That's a very interesting point. I've always thought that the Christian idea of hell fed of the concept of Tartarus. I wonder where hell came from; if it didn't come from Tartarus.

Also, didn't Dante reference Tartarus in The Inferno? I'm thinking of the end of limbo and the end of the area for pagans who lived good lives, but, never converted to Christianity.

I'd never heard that satan was an amalgamation of Lucifer and the satans from the OT. Although, I could see it.

/ I said trident, because, tridents look like pitchforks.

How the hell did the Christian concept of hell feed the concept of Tartarus, when the concept of Tartarus predates Christianity(let alone the Christian idea of hell) by several centuries?

As to Dante, he referenced lots of historical and mythological figures. Because of early Christianity's fascination with all things Greek(especially Plato and Aristotle), the word Tartarus and the word hell became pretty much interchangable.


Ah, I apologize, I worded that poorly. I ment that I felt that the Christian concept of hell was derived from the concept of Tartarus; not the other way around.
 
2014-05-12 08:26:52 PM  

iheartscotch: I'll just assume you don't want to hear about Friday October the 13th, 1307...


What does the call for arresting the Knights Templar have to do with black masses?

iheartscotch: And I'll assume that you aware that the church had its grubby mitts all over most records before, say 1500?


It's not the only source of stuff pre-1500. And even so, if the only source you have for human sacrifice is the Vatican, perhaps you should question the impartiality of your source.
 
2014-05-12 08:27:49 PM  

Bob Robert: grumpfuff: As to the State Department/CIA, I like my pot.

So do many state and cia employees


Don't they have random drug testing?
 
2014-05-12 08:27:49 PM  

Therion: Everything the human mind has conceived is real.


Amen!
 
2014-05-12 08:34:16 PM  

grumpfuff: genner: Even if he doesn't my original point still stands. This particular satanic temple isn't a religion. It's  a group of trolls mocking Christianity.

And, your point? Are you suggesting no one should be allowed to criticize/mock Christianity?

Sure they should. Just like the KKK is allowed to hold meetings on their own property,all people have a right to free speech no matter how offensive.

The problem is their doing it on Harvard grounds. The school has every right to shut them down and hasn't. If the same students decided they wanted to hold a KKK rally in a effort to study it's culture I doubt the result would have been the same.

genner: Because they aren't doing this I'm lead to believe they're with the trolls and not simply studying them.

Theistic Satanists tend not to be the attention whores that LeVeyists are, so they are harder to find. Also, they tend to practice alone, not in a group.


It may not be possible to find the real thing but it doesn't make studying a fake anymore useful. They may as well be studying the church of the FSM.
 
2014-05-12 08:34:22 PM  

mongbiohazard: SnakeLee: The internet always surprises me with how many people believe in literal demons.  It kind of sucks that they're not real because it would be cool to be boys with one; I bet they would have an interesting perspective on things if they existed

The widespread belief in these preposterous myths so far after we have discovered the atom and started to comprehend so much of how the universe works I find just incredibly farking depressing.


...What the fark do atoms have to do with religious beliefs?

/Or are you one of those simpletons who think scientific knowledge and religious belief are mutually exclusive and antagonistic?
//You're not helping, if you are.
 
2014-05-12 08:39:24 PM  

grumpfuff: iheartscotch: I'll just assume you don't want to hear about Friday October the 13th, 1307...

What does the call for arresting the Knights Templar have to do with black masses?

iheartscotch: And I'll assume that you aware that the church had its grubby mitts all over most records before, say 1500?

It's not the only source of stuff pre-1500. And even so, if the only source you have for human sacrifice is the Vatican, perhaps you should question the impartiality of your source.


One of the many charges leveled against the Templars was black masses. If I remember correctly; they also accused them of human sacrifice. But, I agree, most of those charges were likely false.

I agree, the church isn't the only source. But, most other European sources were preserved by the church at some point in their existence. Wouldn't that make them suspect as well?
 
2014-05-12 08:43:51 PM  
What?  So only the Yale secret society members get to bugger each other by the light of candles mounted on skulls stolen from Indian graves?
 
2014-05-12 08:59:44 PM  

LoneWolf343: mongbiohazard: SnakeLee: The internet always surprises me with how many people believe in literal demons.  It kind of sucks that they're not real because it would be cool to be boys with one; I bet they would have an interesting perspective on things if they existed

The widespread belief in these preposterous myths so far after we have discovered the atom and started to comprehend so much of how the universe works I find just incredibly farking depressing.

...What the fark do atoms have to do with religious beliefs?

/Or are you one of those simpletons who think scientific knowledge and religious belief are mutually exclusive and antagonistic?
//You're not helping, if you are.


For me it's a yardstick of our development as an intelligent species. We should be grown up enough by now to stop believing in Tooth Fairies.
 
2014-05-12 09:01:49 PM  
Hey, after the recent Supreme Court ruling the Catholics should be happy that there aren't demands for a nice black mass before the city council meeting or local baseball game.

Methinks thou dost protest too much.
 
2014-05-12 09:03:02 PM  

genner: grumpfuff: genner: Even if he doesn't my original point still stands. This particular satanic temple isn't a religion. It's  a group of trolls mocking Christianity.

And, your point? Are you suggesting no one should be allowed to criticize/mock Christianity?

Sure they should. Just like the KKK is allowed to hold meetings on their own property,all people have a right to free speech no matter how offensive.

The problem is their doing it on Harvard grounds. The school has every right to shut them down and hasn't. If the same students decided they wanted to hold a KKK rally in a effort to study it's culture I doubt the result would have been the same.


Lrn2Quote. I said nothing about the KKK. And it has been shown time and time again that the KKK has just as much a right to rally as anyone else. It may be disgusting, but that's free speech.

genner: It may not be possible to find the real thing but it doesn't make studying a fake anymore useful. They may as well be studying the church of the FSM.


We get it, you're upset people are mocking Christianity. Doesn't give you the right to shut them up though.
 
2014-05-12 09:04:06 PM  

Marcintosh: Mugato: Who spends the money to go to Harvard to major in "cultural studies"?

/and yeah, "Faust"? That's a joke, right?

It's no joke.  Those guys aren't there for the education, they're there to meet other rich and otherwise well connected scions of the 1%.
The girl behind me in NOT Harvard was very honest about it.  "My parents sent me here to get married to a doctor or a lawyer".  That's from my 1992 class, Intro to Illustration.  I'm sure she's done far better than I.

Think - George Bush, Is it more clear now?

not being snarky-apologies if it comes off that way


Yeah, that's called "going to college for your MRS degree". Has been called that for decades, even back before women started getting real degrees for their own sake. Now it's what the rest of us use to mock those stupid biatches.
 
2014-05-12 09:04:35 PM  

iheartscotch: grumpfuff: iheartscotch: I'll just assume you don't want to hear about Friday October the 13th, 1307...

What does the call for arresting the Knights Templar have to do with black masses?

iheartscotch: And I'll assume that you aware that the church had its grubby mitts all over most records before, say 1500?

It's not the only source of stuff pre-1500. And even so, if the only source you have for human sacrifice is the Vatican, perhaps you should question the impartiality of your source.

One of the many charges leveled against the Templars was black masses. If I remember correctly; they also accused them of human sacrifice. But, I agree, most of those charges were likely false.

I agree, the church isn't the only source. But, most other European sources were preserved by the church at some point in their existence. Wouldn't that make them suspect as well?


So...mention the date in a way that implies they may have been doing black masses, then immediately admit it's probably wrong when I ask about it? Do you enjoy JAQing off?

And a book preserved by the Vatican =/= a book written by the Vatican.
 
2014-05-12 09:26:32 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Somacandra: Ed Grubermann: iheartscotch: Perhaps you're right and there is no force for evil in the Universe. The point is; we don't know.

We don't know that there isn't a china teapot in orbit around Jupiter. But until we have some actual evidence to support its existence we can assume it doesn't exist. We'd be better served trying to figure out why some people are just broken and sadistic.

Russell's Teapot is not an argument. By cherry picking something people are predisposed to find ridiculous it undercuts any power it would have. No one has seen the interior of the Sun either, but it would be ridiculous to think it doesn't exist, even if we have no real concept of what it would be like---much much stranger to any of us than a ordinary teapot. The "reasonableness" of belief in any X depends on the already existing worldview. It doesn't demonstrate anything to anyone who doesn't already share that worldview.

Save that we do know that the sun does, indeed, have an interior, and we have a lot of evidence telling us what it must be like and what's going on in there. We have zero credible evidence for the existence of "evil" as anything more than a label we put on behavior we find unacceptable or circumstances we find unpleasant, or natural disasters.


Nice try, but Soma's arguing the line from that blog, which is essentially "it's true if I believe it to be true in my worldview; evidence and reason doesn't really matter."  There's a point in there about whether or not the analogy will convince a True Believer(TM) (it won't, I agree) but then the discussion immediately comes back to "prove that evil is an actual, real force."  I can use the same argument Soma is using in the exact opposite way to invalidate every Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini or mass murderer example he drags up.  For example: What if I think all kinds of behavior, including sadistic torture, are "reasonable" in my worldview?

If I did, there really wouldn't be any definition of the word evil I could agree on, let alone what constitutes a legitimate example.

Regardless, the blog he was citing was referring to metaphysics and god, not behavioral assessments like "evil" or "kind."  Thus completes the circle jerk and Russell's Teapot is still out there, mocking.
 
2014-05-12 10:03:58 PM  
Hopefully, they won't open a demon portal but...hey who knows....

Besides Catholics are the only group you can hate publicly and be super cool AND with the times!
 
2014-05-12 10:12:08 PM  

farkette716: Besides Catholics are the only group you can hate publicly and be super cool AND with the times!


Well sorry about your feelings but you're going to see a little of that when you're an entity that covers up mass child molestation in your ranks. People get cranky about that for some reason.
 
2014-05-12 10:12:46 PM  

farkette716: Hopefully, they won't open a demon portal but...hey who knows....

Besides Catholics are the only group you can hate publicly and be super cool AND with the times!


i.chzbgr.com


/getting so much use out of this today
 
2014-05-12 10:59:20 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: mongbiohazard: "Smurfs are real and we must live our lives according to their teachings! That's equally amazing!"

I think you need to unhinge your imagination and listen to what the girl has to say


[img.fark.net image 600x849]

If there is other lifeforms out there, alive at a time when we might meet them, I hope they look like this, are real friendly and are not hostile versions of this:

[img.fark.net image 700x420]


I just smurfed

www.globalpost.com
 
2014-05-12 11:01:50 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: InterruptingQuirk: mongbiohazard: "Smurfs are real and we must live our lives according to their teachings! That's equally amazing!"

I think you need to unhinge your imagination and listen to what the girl has to say


[img.fark.net image 600x849]

If there is other lifeforms out there, alive at a time when we might meet them, I hope they look like this, are real friendly and are not hostile versions of this:

[img.fark.net image 700x420]

I just smurfed

[www.globalpost.com image 650x433]


Why is that picture titled "japan fukushima blue goo" when it's not about Japan or Fukushima, and it doesn't have any blue goo?
 
2014-05-12 11:04:00 PM  

iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.


You do realize that ghosts, monsters and demons don't exist, right? You DO realize that, right? You acknowledge that no one has ever died by saying Bloody Mary in the mirror... right?
 
2014-05-12 11:09:00 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: InterruptingQuirk: mongbiohazard: "Smurfs are real and we must live our lives according to their teachings! That's equally amazing!"

I think you need to unhinge your imagination and listen to what the girl has to say


[img.fark.net image 600x849]

If there is other lifeforms out there, alive at a time when we might meet them, I hope they look like this, are real friendly and are not hostile versions of this:

[img.fark.net image 700x420]

I just smurfed

[www.globalpost.com image 650x433]


s4.postimg.org
 
2014-05-12 11:12:07 PM  

grumpfuff: Smeggy Smurf: InterruptingQuirk: mongbiohazard: "Smurfs are real and we must live our lives according to their teachings! That's equally amazing!"

I think you need to unhinge your imagination and listen to what the girl has to say


[img.fark.net image 600x849]

If there is other lifeforms out there, alive at a time when we might meet them, I hope they look like this, are real friendly and are not hostile versions of this:

[img.fark.net image 700x420]

I just smurfed

[www.globalpost.com image 650x433]

Why is that picture titled "japan fukushima blue goo" when it's not about Japan or Fukushima, and it doesn't have any blue goo?


Shh, just let it happen
 
2014-05-12 11:20:16 PM  

Wingless: iheartscotch: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

Jesus, a black mass? Are they serious? They realize that desecrating the relics of a religion is a pretty big social faux pas, right?

Hopefully, they actually manage to summon Satan (or a Malacoda) and get pulled down to burn in hell for all eternity.

/ you don't joke around with demon summoning. There's too much weird shiat in the universe, for my taste at least, than to intentionally draw the evil eye.

You do realize that ghosts, monsters and demons don't exist, right? You DO realize that, right? You acknowledge that no one has ever died by saying Bloody Mary in the mirror... right?



Forget it, he's rolling.

So how does one go about summoning a demon? I have some shiat I need done.
 
2014-05-12 11:28:52 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: InterruptingQuirk: mongbiohazard: "Smurfs are real and we must live our lives according to their teachings! That's equally amazing!"

I think you need to unhinge your imagination and listen to what the girl has to say


[img.fark.net image 600x849]

If there is other lifeforms out there, alive at a time when we might meet them, I hope they look like this, are real friendly and are not hostile versions of this:

[img.fark.net image 700x420]

I just smurfed


www.globalpost.com

s14.postimg.org
 
2014-05-12 11:29:46 PM  
A Harvard Divinity School professor who is also a Catholic priest said none of cultural club's other events include the "blaspheming of Catholic sacramental practice."

"What's next?" asked the Rev. Francis X. Clooney, in an op-ed in the Harvard Crimson.


Good God! They allow Catholics to be professors at Harvard now?! This country has gone straight to hell since they let the Germans and Irish in.

/Lighten up, Francis.
 
2014-05-12 11:50:07 PM  
They're worried about black masses? They're just being

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-05-13 12:26:38 AM  

Mugato: Marcintosh: Those guys aren't there for the education, they're there to meet other rich and otherwise well connected scions of the 1%.
The girl behind me in NOT Harvard was very honest about it.  "My parents sent me here to get married to a doctor or a lawyer"

Ugh. That's disgusting. Not surprising though.


It's nothing new.  Universities were begun around 1055 AD in Bologna.  The Merchant Princes sent their kids to learn a few things but mostly to meet other rich kids, and marry other rich kids.  Look at archival footage of college campus'.  In the 50's and 60's the kids were wearing jackets, blazers, button down shirts, ties, slacks and those damn loafers.  I vividly remember rich relatives kids going off to school where the clothing allowance rivaled the tuition.
The Greek System is a further hurdle designed to weed out "The Others".  Those that can afford the tuitions and clothes but not much else.  It's roughly the same now.  Priorities have shifted a bit but it's still a meat (yes) and greet market.
Haven't you ever heard a senior girl speak of "Ring by Spring"?  If those that are interested in that kind of thing aren't engaged by spring, it's off to grad school.

And you thought it was about the education didn't you . . .  The Tenured prof's are the only ones learning a damn thing and now they're Golden Chair is on the way out.

a codicil to all this - a great many students really do learn a lot in college.  If they don't have the connections though it's back to the parents sofa most of the time.  If you're headed off to college your work is to get connected up and networked in.  If you come from a family of clock punchers . . . you need to really take a cold hard look at career vs student loans - none of the "do what you heart tells you to" pfffft
 
2014-05-13 12:46:38 AM  
CTRL-F "NSFW"  No hits.

Disappointing.

Ah well, I suppose it's as good an excuse as any to use this one:

i75.photobucket.com

Ia! Ia! Cthulhu Ftaghn!
 
2014-05-13 02:58:12 AM  

Mouser: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Perhaps they could hold a witch-burning, too.  You know, as an educational exercise.


Why?  Did she turn you into a newt?
 
2014-05-13 03:05:51 AM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: Weaver95: InterruptingQuirk: lockers: Our beliefs cannot stand up to mocking!

FTA ""Our purpose is not to denigrate any religion or faith, which would be repugnant to our educational purposes," the Harvard student group said in a statement, "but instead to learn and experience the history of different cultural practices.""

This is merely an educational exercise.

Hmm. Summoning demons for fun. Well that's a problem that kinda solves itself. Shine on you crazy diamonds.

[lh5.googleusercontent.com image 400x141]


Where's Jack Chick when you need complicated issues like this explained?
 
2014-05-13 09:45:59 AM  
iheartscotch: ...
The meat thing is actually just a US thing. Basically, Pius the XII (I think it was him) decreed that US Catholics should eat fish on Fridays to help Europe to recover from WWII by providing a market for European fish. Currently, it's only Fridays during Lent. It's supposed to signify sacrifice, or something.

You guys have fun at your black mass; don't bother saving a place for me. I just don't like the idea of some poor animal having to die; or seeing a cross/other relic desecrated.


No idea if this was supposed to be trolling, but the "meat thing" was not invented by Pius XII, in fact it's so old it's a shared tradition between the RCC and the Eastern Orthodox churches. It was eased up after Vatican II, but I believe it's still technically in force for devout Catholics.

Although I agree about not attending a black mass, but that's because even nudity can't make a Catholic religious ceremony worth the time and arse-ache.
 
2014-05-13 10:42:28 AM  
"Drew Faust"? Can't make this shiat up.
 
2014-05-13 10:54:26 AM  

Bob Robert: Smeggy Smurf: Shh, just let it happen

A conservative shiatbag making rape jokes? That is a surprise.


That's adorable, you think I'm a conservative
 
2014-05-13 10:55:20 AM  

Tax Boy: EqualOpportunityEnslaver: yanceylebeef: Wait...the Harvard President's name is Faust?

Someone is playing shenanigans.

Was going to say the same thing - this article CAN'T be real with that name in play, can it?

[www.harvard.edu image 300x496]

What Harvard President Drew Faust might look like.

/admit it, you thought it would be a guy too.


But does she drink Heineken?
 
2014-05-13 10:59:09 AM  

MyRandomName: Of course if the group were to perform a mockery of Islam, democrats wpuld be lining up to denigrate the group; see Brandeis


Don't be so damn lazy.  If you want us to "see" some issue you think is relevant, at least provide a link.
 
2014-05-13 11:29:01 AM  
Best Satan:
i21.photobucket.com

Second Best:
jarviscity.com
 
2014-05-13 12:29:00 PM  

ciberido: Where's Jack Chick when you need complicated issues like this explained?


Currently, he's hating the hell out of Catholics, I would guess, since in that link he accuses them of cursing Jesus Christ and calls Jesuits "the devil's plainclothesmen". Oh, and he blames the Holocaust on the Pope, btw. Chick is severely anti-Catholic.

media.chick.com
 
2014-05-13 12:55:25 PM  

phyrkrakr: ciberido: Where's Jack Chick when you need complicated issues like this explained?

Currently, he's hating the hell out of Catholics, I would guess, since in that link he accuses them of cursing Jesus Christ and calls Jesuits "the devil's plainclothesmen". Oh, and he blames the Holocaust on the Pope, btw. Chick is severely anti-Catholic.

[media.chick.com image 468x240]


It takes a special kind of stupid to hate on Jesuits.
 
2014-05-13 03:18:44 PM  

Mugato: farkette716: Besides Catholics are the only group you can hate publicly and be super cool AND with the times!

Well sorry about your feelings but you're going to see a little of that when you're an entity that covers up mass child molestation in your ranks. People get cranky about that for some reason.


A small percentage of terrible things happened to children. This is unacceptable. There are a BILLIONS of followers, people are human....there are bad people everywhere. So yeah have fun with your propaganda machine bigotry.


TOOL
 
2014-05-13 03:45:55 PM  

farkette716: Mugato: farkette716: Besides Catholics are the only group you can hate publicly and be super cool AND with the times!

Well sorry about your feelings but you're going to see a little of that when you're an entity that covers up mass child molestation in your ranks. People get cranky about that for some reason.

A small percentage of terrible things happened to children. This is unacceptable. There are a BILLIONS of followers, people are human....there are bad people everywhere. So yeah have fun with your propaganda machine bigotry.


TOOL


Bad people like the Christians calling me evil because I'm an atheist? There are a lot more of those.
 
2014-05-13 03:50:56 PM  

farkette716: A small percentage of terrible things happened to children. This is unacceptable. There are a BILLIONS of followers, people are human....there are bad people everywhere. So yeah have fun with your propaganda machine bigotry.


TOOL


The very higher ups in the Catholic church cover up and relocate pedophile preachers with your tithe money and your response is "people are human"? And I'm the tool? Maybe. But at least I don't financially support pedophilia.
 
2014-05-13 08:45:45 PM  

grumpfuff: farkette716: Mugato: farkette716: Besides Catholics are the only group you can hate publicly and be super cool AND with the times!

Well sorry about your feelings but you're going to see a little of that when you're an entity that covers up mass child molestation in your ranks. People get cranky about that for some reason.

A small percentage of terrible things happened to children. This is unacceptable. There are a BILLIONS of followers, people are human....there are bad people everywhere. So yeah have fun with your propaganda machine bigotry.


TOOL

Bad people like the Christians calling me evil because I'm an atheist? There are a lot more of those.


Seriously? Christians following you around calling you evil? All the time? Yeah, Christians can be judgmental but are they stealing from you? How about assaulting you? People need to put things in perspective. I like many Atheists, but I'm so sick of people accepting that it's okay to slander one group and not another.

PC police completely miss and condone anti-Catholic hate.
 
2014-05-13 08:58:03 PM  

Mugato: farkette716: A small percentage of terrible things happened to children. This is unacceptable. There are a BILLIONS of followers, people are human....there are bad people everywhere. So yeah have fun with your propaganda machine bigotry.


TOOL

The very higher ups in the Catholic church cover up and relocate pedophile preachers with your tithe money and your response is "people are human"? And I'm the tool? Maybe. But at least I don't financially support pedophilia.


Catholism isn't pedophilla. It's not a sacrament or something. That's the propaganda. I went to Catholic school my entire life and all the people I know who are Catholic have never had this problem, at least not publicly.

Yeah, people are human. Humans make mistakes, the are 1 billion humans in the Catholic Church. You can't tell me that out of a billion people including clergy that there aren't rapists, murders, thieves or what have you. You are right, the Catholic Church DID relocate bad priests. That was a huge unforgivable mistake. This does not mean that the entire Church is bad.

So when you turn on the TV and you see comedians and personalities saying priests fark boys jokes that's what you think that's what they all do or something. Catholicism is NOT pedophilla. This is propaganda. This is why I'm pointing out you're a tool. You probably know nothing about the religion or the followers. To say you're against the religion because you're against pedophilla isn't an exact correlation. Have fun being a trendy, trendy tool. Have a great farking day.

🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀🍀
 
2014-05-13 09:17:28 PM  

farkette716: unforgivable


The saddest word there is.
 
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