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(YouTube)   For those who missed last night's Game of Thrones, here's Tyrion's speech at the end of the episode. Also known as an "the clip they'll be playing at the Emmy's next year"   (youtube.com) divider line 116
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2014-05-12 01:16:44 PM  
As great as Tyrion was (and he was great), I came away really, really liking Jaime in this one. God that stupid botched rape scene was dumb and almost ruined a nice arc.
 
2014-05-12 01:19:50 PM  
Wake me when the Mountain fights the Red Viper of Dorne.
 
2014-05-12 01:19:59 PM  
Also, can someone explain the trial by combat system? How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros? If you're obviously guilty of a crime, why not always ask for trial by combat? Can't hurt.
 
2014-05-12 01:20:04 PM  
That scene blew me away.  If he doesn't get an Emmy for that it will be a travesty.
 
2014-05-12 01:20:49 PM  

Shostie: Wake me when the Mountain fights the Red Viper of Dorne.


Why did you phrase that as though that scene isn't coming in 2 weeks?
 
2014-05-12 01:30:51 PM  

Shostie: Wake me when the Mountain fights the Red Viper of Dorne.


I bet that happens in the episode titled "The Mountain and the Viper"

Probably.
 
2014-05-12 01:39:39 PM  

DamnYankees: Shostie: Wake me when the Mountain fights the Red Viper of Dorne.

Why did you phrase that as though that scene isn't coming in 2 weeks?


I'm actually behind a season. I'm currently watching season 3.

But the second someone uploads that fight to Youtube I'll watch it.
 
2014-05-12 01:40:03 PM  

DamnYankees: Also, can someone explain the trial by combat system? How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros? If you're obviously guilty of a crime, why not always ask for trial by combat? Can't hurt.


if you're guilty the gods will make you lose.  if you're innocent the gods will let you win.

How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros?

i believe only nobility can request trial by combat (tyrion has already faced trial by combat when he was accused of pushing Bran off the roof) otherwise it's up to the king or the hand.
 
2014-05-12 01:49:53 PM  

doublesecretprobation: DamnYankees: Also, can someone explain the trial by combat system? How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros? If you're obviously guilty of a crime, why not always ask for trial by combat? Can't hurt.

if you're guilty the gods will make you lose.  if you're innocent the gods will let you win.

How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros?

i believe only nobility can request trial by combat (tyrion has already faced trial by combat when he was accused of pushing Bran off the roof) otherwise it's up to the king or the hand.


Also at the Aerie whee he hired Bronn to fight for him.
 
2014-05-12 01:54:16 PM  

doublesecretprobation: DamnYankees: Also, can someone explain the trial by combat system? How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros? If you're obviously guilty of a crime, why not always ask for trial by combat? Can't hurt.

if you're guilty the gods will make you lose.  if you're innocent the gods will let you win.

How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros?

i believe only nobility can request trial by combat (tyrion has already faced trial by combat when he was accused of pushing Bran off the roof) otherwise it's up to the king or the hand.


Anyone can request it. Only nobility can name a champion, IIRC
 
2014-05-12 02:50:27 PM  

ArkAngel: Anyone can request it. Only nobility can name a champion, IIRC


So if you're not noble, you need to fight yourself?
 
2014-05-12 03:02:05 PM  

DamnYankees: Also, can someone explain the trial by combat system?


thefuntimesguide.com
 
2014-05-12 03:13:39 PM  
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You know who else had a great speech last night?

/nipple valve
 
2014-05-12 03:20:29 PM  

doublesecretprobation: DamnYankees: Also, can someone explain the trial by combat system? How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros? If you're obviously guilty of a crime, why not always ask for trial by combat? Can't hurt.

if you're guilty the gods will make you lose.  if you're innocent the gods will let you win.

How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros?

i believe only nobility can request trial by combat (tyrion has already faced trial by combat when he was accused of pushing Bran off the roof) otherwise it's up to the king or the hand.



Of course, if you're a commoner and are accused of the crime, then you are automatically convicted of it.
 
2014-05-12 03:21:47 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: DamnYankees: Also, can someone explain the trial by combat system?

[thefuntimesguide.com image 658x668]


Fails without "lizard" or "Spock."
 
2014-05-12 03:22:06 PM  

DamnYankees: Also, can someone explain the trial by combat system? How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros? If you're obviously guilty of a crime, why not always ask for trial by combat? Can't hurt.


Difficulty: Getting someone halfway competent to agree to be your champion. In most cases, you'd probably be better off just joining the Night's Watch. Fortunataly for Tyrion, there is someone in town who is itching to get revenge on The Mountain, who typically fights for the King.
 
2014-05-12 03:23:14 PM  

ArkAngel: doublesecretprobation: DamnYankees: Also, can someone explain the trial by combat system? How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros? If you're obviously guilty of a crime, why not always ask for trial by combat? Can't hurt.

if you're guilty the gods will make you lose.  if you're innocent the gods will let you win.

How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros?

i believe only nobility can request trial by combat (tyrion has already faced trial by combat when he was accused of pushing Bran off the roof) otherwise it's up to the king or the hand.

Anyone can request it. Only nobility can name a champion, IIRC


Seems like a wicked fighter could get away with anything...
 
2014-05-12 03:26:42 PM  

give me doughnuts: OtherLittleGuy: DamnYankees: Also, can someone explain the trial by combat system?

[thefuntimesguide.com image 658x668]

Fails without "lizard" or "Spock."


Snake and Devil are close enough....
 
2014-05-12 03:30:02 PM  
I can't believe people like this shiat.

/the fantasy genre is brain-dead
 
2014-05-12 03:33:59 PM  
Nice speech. I don't watch Game of Thrones, but I think it came up a little short.

/ yeah , I'll be that guy.
 
2014-05-12 03:37:54 PM  

Archimedes' Principal: Nice speech. I don't watch Game of Thrones, but I think it came up a little short.

/ yeah , I'll be that guy.


That guy was *not* happy.  Not sure which one he was, though.
 
2014-05-12 03:40:08 PM  

StrikitRich: [img.fark.net image 650x410]

You know who else had a great speech last night?

/nipple valve


I kind of saw something like that coming when he offered her the box.
 
2014-05-12 03:46:51 PM  

StrikitRich: [img.fark.net image 650x410]

You know who else had a great speech last night?

/nipple valve


Yara Greyjoy?
 
2014-05-12 03:53:00 PM  
Awesome!
 
2014-05-12 04:04:31 PM  

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: StrikitRich: [img.fark.net image 650x410]

You know who else had a great speech last night?

/nipple valve

Yara Greyjoy?


Yara can get it.
 
2014-05-12 04:06:23 PM  
I'm assuming we're talking about the Emmy for supporting actor, because one nice speech won't be enough to overcome either McConaughey's run on True Detective, Jon Hamm's continually nuanced Don Draper (for which he has been nominated, what, 6 times now without winning? He's due), and I believe Bryan Cranston is even still eligible for his work on the final season of Breaking Bad. But supporting actor in a drama? Sure, go for it.
 
2014-05-12 04:09:11 PM  
I won't spoil anything from the books, but Tyrion's future just gets even more downhill from here. Poor lil guy just can't seem to catch a break, and he's one of the very few characters who has any redeeming qualities (yes, even better than Daenerys, who's starting to turn more Stalin on us by the day).
 
2014-05-12 04:09:23 PM  
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/KoB, not GoT, but still
 
2014-05-12 04:13:37 PM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: I'm assuming we're talking about the Emmy for supporting actor, because one nice speech won't be enough to overcome either McConaughey's run on True Detective, Jon Hamm's continually nuanced Don Draper (for which he has been nominated, what, 6 times now without winning? He's due), and I believe Bryan Cranston is even still eligible for his work on the final season of Breaking Bad. But supporting actor in a drama? Sure, go for it.


Well, the headline said it was "the clip they'll be playing" at the Emmy's, not "the winning clip"...but thanks for being "that guy".
 
2014-05-12 04:16:59 PM  

DamnYankees: Also, can someone explain the trial by combat system? How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros? If you're obviously guilty of a crime, why not always ask for trial by combat? Can't hurt.


Irl trial by combat had some restrictions. Practically, if you weren't someone able to fight or able to find someone able to fight, then you wouldn't ask for it, and this severely restricted the practice since learning how to fight according the the particulars of judicial duels was restricted by wealth and class. Most pre-Nation State legal systems relied primarily on fines to resolve even serious crimes like murder, so if you could afford to buy your way out, or to "go outlaw" and wreak havoc until your feudal lord exonerated you, then you'd do that instead. The ability to claim "trial by combat" was also legally restricted; if your act had been witnessed, or if the evidence were overwhelming, then your plea for trial by combat would often be ignored. It is widely thought that the right to a trial by combat was also restricted by class legally as well; that only those allowed to bear arms and armor(the noble classes) were allowed recourse to it, which would also have restricted its use.

As to Westerosi tradition, I'd assume it has similar practical and legal restrictions. IIRC it's explicitly restricted to Nobility in ASoIaF, and heavily associated with the Andals besides, making it a Noble practice as a matter of course(it was also introduced to England in this way it seems, through the Normans). The big difference would be that, while the Christian Church was always deeply opposed to trial by combat at forced court trials wherever it could, Trial by Combat is a holy sacrament to the Faith of the Seven wherein the Warrior himself is considered to be looking down upon the trial and influencing its result to bring on true "justice"(which makes the duel between Sandor and Beric rather syncretic religion-ways, since the closest practice in R'hllor worship is trial by fire). So access to trial by combat is probably a bit freer from secular interference  and rejection in Westeros than it was irl.

Personally, I suspect Tywin only went along with it because he, as always, underestimated Tyrion, figured he wouldn't be able to find a champion to stand for him, and that the whole incident would be yet another way to humiliate him. In any other situation, I'd imagine he'd be the sort of lord who would refuse a trial by combat plea out of hand in favor of surer methods of getting what he wants.
 
2014-05-12 04:18:52 PM  
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2014-05-12 04:20:03 PM  
Man, just the pain on Tyrion's face when Shae walked in the room. And it just got worse the more she spoke.

But, I commented to my wife a while ago; Shae has a deathwish, and a stupid one. She should have realized that Tyrion was trying to send her away to protect her, and he had to go to extreme lengths to do it.
 
2014-05-12 04:29:04 PM  
This is all so convenient for Tywin. He'll do anything to get Jaime to replace Tyrion as heir to Casterly Rock, but Tyrion needs to stay alive long enough for Jaime to resign from the Kingsguard.
 
2014-05-12 04:31:59 PM  
So... Bronn vs Jamie? Could be interesting.... They know each others moves.
 
2014-05-12 04:36:19 PM  

TV's Vinnie: I won't spoil anything from the books, but Tyrion's future just gets even more downhill from here. Poor lil guy just can't seem to catch a break, and he's one of the very few characters who has any redeeming qualities (yes, even better than Daenerys, who's starting to turn more Stalin on us by the day).


In a series where anyone can die at any time, isn't just saying there's a future a spoiler?
 
2014-05-12 04:38:08 PM  

Pinner: So... Bronn vs Jamie? Could be interesting.... They know each others moves.


No. The Mountain will fight for the King.
 
2014-05-12 04:40:05 PM  

realmolo: I can't believe people like this shiat.

/the fantasy genre is brain-dead


You said the same thing in the My Little Pony and UFC threads.
 
2014-05-12 04:43:14 PM  

Passive Aggressive Larry: I'm assuming we're talking about the Emmy for supporting actor, because one nice speech won't be enough to overcome either McConaughey's run on True Detective, Jon Hamm's continually nuanced Don Draper (for which he has been nominated, what, 6 times now without winning? He's due), and I believe Bryan Cranston is even still eligible for his work on the final season of Breaking Bad. But supporting actor in a drama? Sure, go for it.


Wait, what?! Bryan Cranston is going up against Matthew McConaughey??? I thought Cranston was done after last year. Does the second half of season 5 get voted on this year's Emmy's??

I honestly don't know who will win, if that's the case. Both of their performances were mind blowing. The phone call in "Ozymandias" was probably the best thing that's ever been on TV, and McConaughey was simply oustanding from beginning to end.

I really don't know and now my head is starting to hurt.

/I think I'd vote Cranston
//Breaking Bad for life
 
2014-05-12 04:44:32 PM  
The Dreadfort section this episode was
*puts on sunglasses*
dreadful.
 
2014-05-12 04:47:24 PM  

DamnYankees: Also, can someone explain the trial by combat system? How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros? If you're obviously guilty of a crime, why not always ask for trial by combat? Can't hurt.


Think of it basically as an episode of the original Star Trek and you get the gist... also if you or your champion loses that's basically an admission of guilt even if you are innocent, but we've already seen what a joke their forensic argumentation skills are.
 
2014-05-12 04:48:40 PM  

Drubell: The Dreadfort section this episode was
*puts on sunglasses*
dreadful.


Theon would gave gone with his sister but he

...sunglasses...

didn't have the balls for it.
 
2014-05-12 04:52:07 PM  

DamnYankees: Also, can someone explain the trial by combat system? How is anyone ever convicted of a crime in Westeros? If you're obviously guilty of a crime, why not always ask for trial by combat? Can't hurt.


No different than a duel, except rich people would hire the duelers instead of doing it themselves.
 
2014-05-12 04:55:01 PM  

DamnYankees: As great as Tyrion was (and he was great), I came away really, really liking Jaime in this one. God that stupid botched rape scene was dumb and almost ruined a nice arc.


By ruined of course you mean greatly improved the scene by giving a complete externalization to Jaime's loss of self (and subtly Cersei's as well in her slow acquiescence to the act) in the face of some harsh realities about Westeros and his family especially. Jaime is a very Miltonian figure; his redemption is made meaningful by the depth of the fall.
 
2014-05-12 05:01:31 PM  
I thought he said "trial by compact".  I wondering what the hell it is, luckily fark has corrected me.  My sister is the one with hbo, only time I get to watch this is at her house.
 
2014-05-12 05:02:59 PM  
Yea!  Many others appreciated his performance as much as me.

/also, good directing and camera work
 
2014-05-12 05:48:00 PM  

Drubell: The Dreadfort section this episode was
*puts on sunglasses*
dreadful.


That whole Yara goes to save Theon subplot wasn't in the book.  What was the point of it in the TV series?  There's barely enough time to cover the important storylines without spending minutes on stuff that doesn't go anywhere.
 
2014-05-12 05:59:26 PM  

fozziewazzi: Drubell: The Dreadfort section this episode was
*puts on sunglasses*
dreadful.

That whole Yara goes to save Theon subplot wasn't in the book.  What was the point of it in the TV series?  There's barely enough time to cover the important storylines without spending minutes on stuff that doesn't go anywhere.


The Yara scene was great, and I was thinking, "Finally - we can put an end to this boring and uncomfortable Theon/Reek storyline."  When it was over, it did nothing to advance the plot at all.  The bathtub scene that followed was the first time that I had to fast-forward during GoT.
 
2014-05-12 06:00:26 PM  

homarjr: Passive Aggressive Larry: I'm assuming we're talking about the Emmy for supporting actor, because one nice speech won't be enough to overcome either McConaughey's run on True Detective, Jon Hamm's continually nuanced Don Draper (for which he has been nominated, what, 6 times now without winning? He's due), and I believe Bryan Cranston is even still eligible for his work on the final season of Breaking Bad. But supporting actor in a drama? Sure, go for it.

Wait, what?! Bryan Cranston is going up against Matthew McConaughey??? I thought Cranston was done after last year. Does the second half of season 5 get voted on this year's Emmy's??

I honestly don't know who will win, if that's the case. Both of their performances were mind blowing. The phone call in "Ozymandias" was probably the best thing that's ever been on TV, and McConaughey was simply oustanding from beginning to end.

I really don't know and now my head is starting to hurt.

/I think I'd vote Cranston
//Breaking Bad for life


Yeah, basically the rule of thumb is that anything that aired after the Prime Time Emmys for 2013 is eligible to win this year, which includes the back half of Break Bad season 5. Cranston and McConaughey won't go head to head though, because True Detective will likely compete under miniseries since each season is self contained like American Horror Story. This strategy maximizes the awards for HBO instead of sticking him into a hotly contested best actor race. Under miniseries, McConaughey's biggest competition would likely be Billy Bob Thorton on Fargo, unless I'm forgetting someone.
 
2014-05-12 06:01:19 PM  
The Emmy's what? THE EMMY'S WHAT?!

/you don't need an apostrophe there
//bobtheangryflower.jpg
 
2014-05-12 06:01:29 PM  
Trial by Stone!
 
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