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(USA Today)   Congratulations, your boy no longer has ADHD. But he now has a 2-pack a day cigarette habit   (usatoday.com) divider line 45
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2014-05-12 11:00:52 AM
And his mom threw away his best porno mag.
 
2014-05-12 11:46:19 AM

dittybopper: And his mom threw away his best porno mag.


You've got to fight for your right to SQUIRREL.
 
2014-05-12 12:27:55 PM
At $7 a pack (Illinois), the kid has another problem.
 
2014-05-12 12:28:13 PM
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2014-05-12 12:28:34 PM
All he wanted was a Pepsi!

Just one Pepsi!
 
2014-05-12 12:28:34 PM
A 1 pack of usatoday is bad enough.
 
2014-05-12 12:29:31 PM
shiat, adder all made me smoke like a chimney when abusing it (In a fun way).  I did read something about medical uses for nicotine the other day (was that on here?) that was pretty interesting.
 
2014-05-12 12:30:27 PM
Oh, so you like smokin' huh? Well how about you smoke a whole carton of cigarettes!!
 
2014-05-12 12:30:58 PM
Which costs more? Adderall, or ciggies with all the sin tax?
 
2014-05-12 12:32:08 PM

Harry Freakstorm: At $7 a pack (Illinois), the kid has another problem.


Meh.  He can roll his own and save big bucks.

Then, too, there is always smuggling.  And yeah, apparently cigarette smuggling is a thing.   Who would guess that if you tax the piss out of something, people would try to avoid paying the tax?
 
2014-05-12 12:34:41 PM
He only smokes them to:

1. listen to the hiss and spit of hot spots in the tobacco
2. watch the smoke coil up and away like some pre-meth pro stripper
3. gaze at the orange glow that oscillates like a meteor that's about to shower the atmosphere with a shower of sparks
4. ponder the hardening of the ash into his own tiny tube of a'a
5. feel the give of the tobacco and paper like he's caressing the finger of loving, interested Hollywood starlet
6. be wafted upwards in a haboob of a numerous exotic scents pouring from hi hand
 
2014-05-12 12:35:38 PM
The kid never had ADHD. it's a fake disease.
 
2014-05-12 12:37:49 PM

sandbar67: The kid never had ADHD. it's a fake disease.


ADHD for when you want to make money selling your kids meds.
 
2014-05-12 12:37:51 PM
There was an article within the past year in Popular Science or Discover (I can't remember which and Google does avail me in this matter) about how Nicotine gets a bad rap, and that it's not just Nicotine but the whole concoction of crap cigarettes put into you that causes all the wonderful detriments of smoking.  If nicotine were to be isolated, it could be used as a mental stimulant not unlike caffeine in its low-level hazards of use.  It's been proven through statistical analysis that it alleviates adverse effects of Parkinson's disease treatment drugs, and has a similar focusing effect on ADHD patients.  We already distill nicotine, but use it for something that it's not really good at: smoking cessation aids.
 
2014-05-12 12:37:59 PM
So you're saying I have to put this shiat in my lungs just to neutralize the shiat in my brain?
www.cyberpunkreview.com
 
2014-05-12 12:40:36 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Which costs more? Adderall, or ciggies with all the sin tax?


Adder all is a $5 company for a month, smokes are more than that per pack
 
2014-05-12 12:41:30 PM

CruJones: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Which costs more? Adderall, or ciggies with all the sin tax? Adder all is a $5 company for a month, smokes are more than that per pack


ahem, adderrall is a $5 co-pay
 
2014-05-12 12:42:22 PM
Harry Freakstorm

At $7 a pack (Illinois), the kid has another problem.


I am surprised the IL hasn't upped the usage fees for cigarettes again.

$8.50 a pack in MN.
 
2014-05-12 12:43:17 PM
Well, adderrall will keep him out of the White House. Cigs won't.
 
2014-05-12 12:44:44 PM

CruJones: CruJones: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Which costs more? Adderall, or ciggies with all the sin tax? Adder all is a $5 company for a month, smokes are more than that per pack

ahem, adderrall is a $5 co-pay


What's the co-pay for ciggies?
 
2014-05-12 12:54:36 PM

CruJones: CruJones: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Which costs more? Adderall, or ciggies with all the sin tax? Adder all is a $5 company for a month, smokes are more than that per pack

ahem, adderrall is a $5 co-pay


Maybe with YOUR apparently awesome insurance....

/$120 for 90 20mg here...
 
2014-05-12 12:55:35 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: Harry Freakstorm

At $7 a pack (Illinois), the kid has another problem.


I am surprised the IL hasn't upped the usage fees for cigarettes again.

$8.50 a pack in MN.


it is much higher, over ten in Chicago
 
2014-05-12 12:55:46 PM
We have a nation of kids and young adults addicted to amphetamines and we're worrying about them smoking. Good to know we have out priorities straight.
 
2014-05-12 12:56:49 PM

dittybopper: Harry Freakstorm: At $7 a pack (Illinois), the kid has another problem.

Meh.  He can roll his own and save big bucks.

Then, too, there is always smuggling.  And yeah, apparently cigarette smuggling is a thing.   Who would guess that if you tax the piss out of something, people would try to avoid paying the tax?


Actually, for a while, I was a cig mule taking cigarettes from Missouri in to Illinois for 'friends'.  Carton of Marlboroughs in Illinois was north of $60.  In Missouri, I think they were around $40.  I had to deliver them to their homes too.  If I were lucky, I got paid for the smokes; no extra for gas or time.  Usually, there was an additional snide remark like "You know, in South County, there's a store that sells 'em for $38.  Well, I work in north county.  More than once, I put the cigs in the trunk because I didn't want to explain to an Illinois state trooper why I have 6 cartons of different brands bouncing around the back seat.

Each delivery, I expected for the jack-boots of the Illinois Dept of Taxing and Revenuers to kick me down and crush my throat.   Eventually, the wife and her hawt friend parted ways (sadly) over an argument and most of her friends sided with hottie so I lost all my customers.

There used to be a sign on the Poplar Street Bridge warning Illinois residents about carrying more than 2 cartons in to Illinois.
 
2014-05-12 01:05:18 PM
Plus, he looks cooler than the other kids...
 
2014-05-12 01:07:18 PM

Fark like a Barsoomian: So you're saying I have to put this shiat in my lungs just to neutralize the shiat in my brain?
[www.cyberpunkreview.com image 650x350]


An underrated movie.  It's much better than it has any right to be.
 
2014-05-12 01:32:34 PM

MadCat221: There was an article within the past year in Popular Science or Discover (I can't remember which and Google does avail me in this matter) about how Nicotine gets a bad rap, and that it's not just Nicotine but the whole concoction of crap cigarettes put into you that causes all the wonderful detriments of smoking.  If nicotine were to be isolated, it could be used as a mental stimulant not unlike caffeine in its low-level hazards of use.  It's been proven through statistical analysis that it alleviates adverse effects of Parkinson's disease treatment drugs, and has a similar focusing effect on ADHD patients.  We already distill nicotine, but use it for something that it's not really good at: smoking cessation aids.



True.  My son has severe ADHD and we've worked long and hard for years using applied behavioral analysis (ABA) techniques to put off the meds as long as possible.  His doctor said we should try 1/4th of a low-dose nicotine patch.  It provides the stimulant without the side-effects of ratalin, etc.  (Yes, nicotine has its own problems.  Lesser of two evils I suppose.)  It's been effective, for him at least.  I've heard of a few doctor using it now as a precursor to the big pharma solutions.

Makes sense, I suppose.

/waiting for the Fark doctors to chime in now.
 
2014-05-12 01:45:49 PM

CruJones: shiat, adder all made me smoke like a chimney when abusing it (In a fun way).  I did read something about medical uses for nicotine the other day (was that on here?) that was pretty interesting.


It's almost always posted by the guy who is financially invested in everyone believing it.

He sells vaporizers and nicotine juice.

He will tell you that over and over and over, so I am pretty confident you did read it here.
 
2014-05-12 01:49:13 PM

Meets or Exceeds Expectations: MadCat221: There was an article within the past year in Popular Science or Discover (I can't remember which and Google does avail me in this matter) about how Nicotine gets a bad rap, and that it's not just Nicotine but the whole concoction of crap cigarettes put into you that causes all the wonderful detriments of smoking.  If nicotine were to be isolated, it could be used as a mental stimulant not unlike caffeine in its low-level hazards of use.  It's been proven through statistical analysis that it alleviates adverse effects of Parkinson's disease treatment drugs, and has a similar focusing effect on ADHD patients.  We already distill nicotine, but use it for something that it's not really good at: smoking cessation aids.


True.  My son has severe ADHD and we've worked long and hard for years using applied behavioral analysis (ABA) techniques to put off the meds as long as possible.  His doctor said we should try 1/4th of a low-dose nicotine patch.  It provides the stimulant without the side-effects of ratalin, etc.  (Yes, nicotine has its own problems.  Lesser of two evils I suppose.)  It's been effective, for him at least.  I've heard of a few doctor using it now as a precursor to the big pharma solutions.

Makes sense, I suppose.

/waiting for the Fark doctors to chime in now.



I would have suspicions about any doctor who told you to cut a slow-release membrane into four parts.

http://www.nicodermcq.com/quitting-support/faq#Q25
 
2014-05-12 01:55:57 PM
Pangea:I would have suspicions about any doctor who told you to cut a slow-release membrane into four parts.

http://www.nicodermcq.com/quitting-support/faq#Q25


Nicoderm and other companies make patches in different doses though, the doctor might of prescribed a version that's intended for users that are almost doen with the program that has 1/4 the 'full dose' intented for the 4 pack a day chain smoker who's just starting.
 
2014-05-12 02:11:34 PM
ADHD drugs NOT linked to increased tobacco use.

/Subtard didn't read all the words in the headline

// it is that the joke?
 
2014-05-12 02:24:20 PM

Firethorn: Pangea:I would have suspicions about any doctor who told you to cut a slow-release membrane into four parts.

http://www.nicodermcq.com/quitting-support/faq#Q25

Nicoderm and other companies make patches in different doses though, the doctor might of prescribed a version that's intended for users that are almost doen with the program that has 1/4 the 'full dose' intented for the 4 pack a day chain smoker who's just starting.


Valid point. Maybe they have a 4 step program now.
 
2014-05-12 02:58:37 PM

Meets or Exceeds Expectations: MadCat221: There was an article within the past year in Popular Science or Discover (I can't remember which and Google does avail me in this matter) about how Nicotine gets a bad rap, and that it's not just Nicotine but the whole concoction of crap cigarettes put into you that causes all the wonderful detriments of smoking.  If nicotine were to be isolated, it could be used as a mental stimulant not unlike caffeine in its low-level hazards of use.  It's been proven through statistical analysis that it alleviates adverse effects of Parkinson's disease treatment drugs, and has a similar focusing effect on ADHD patients.  We already distill nicotine, but use it for something that it's not really good at: smoking cessation aids.


True.  My son has severe ADHD and we've worked long and hard for years using applied behavioral analysis (ABA) techniques to put off the meds as long as possible.  His doctor said we should try 1/4th of a low-dose nicotine patch.  It provides the stimulant without the side-effects of ratalin, etc.  (Yes, nicotine has its own problems.  Lesser of two evils I suppose.)  It's been effective, for him at least.  I've heard of a few doctor using it now as a precursor to the big pharma solutions.

Makes sense, I suppose.

/waiting for the Fark doctors to chime in now.


Actually, where can you get a 1/4 of a low-dose nicotine patch?

My hubby has ADD and the meds give him wicked side effects (Adderall - up for 3 days straight at the lowest dose and Concerta - anger issues).
 
2014-05-12 03:03:40 PM

Pangea: Meets or Exceeds Expectations: MadCat221: There was an article within the past year in Popular Science or Discover (I can't remember which and Google does avail me in this matter) about how Nicotine gets a bad rap, and that it's not just Nicotine but the whole concoction of crap cigarettes put into you that causes all the wonderful detriments of smoking.  If nicotine were to be isolated, it could be used as a mental stimulant not unlike caffeine in its low-level hazards of use.  It's been proven through statistical analysis that it alleviates adverse effects of Parkinson's disease treatment drugs, and has a similar focusing effect on ADHD patients.  We already distill nicotine, but use it for something that it's not really good at: smoking cessation aids.


True.  My son has severe ADHD and we've worked long and hard for years using applied behavioral analysis (ABA) techniques to put off the meds as long as possible.  His doctor said we should try 1/4th of a low-dose nicotine patch.  It provides the stimulant without the side-effects of ratalin, etc.  (Yes, nicotine has its own problems.  Lesser of two evils I suppose.)  It's been effective, for him at least.  I've heard of a few doctor using it now as a precursor to the big pharma solutions.

Makes sense, I suppose.

/waiting for the Fark doctors to chime in now.


I would have suspicions about any doctor who told you to cut a slow-release membrane into four parts.

http://www.nicodermcq.com/quitting-support/faq#Q25


Nicoderm's advice not to cut the patch is so that you will have to buy more patches. There competition doesn't do this. There are only two dosages, so if they can keep you hooked on the lower dose, they will have you for a long time. Most patches can be safely cut and only a tiny amount of nicotine will be lost. The rate of product delivery will not be altered. Some patches have cut lines so that they can be halved and quartered. These cut areas have only adhesive.
 
2014-05-12 03:18:35 PM

JackieRabbit: There are only two dosages, so if they can keep you hooked on the lower dose, they will have you for a long time.


GS: Nicoderm patches are available in 21, 14, and 7 mg amounts.   Walmart generics say don't cut into pieces.  Nor does Habitrol.

The 'quarter patch' might be MoEE misremembering.

From reading, the concern isn't losing nicotine, it's getting more on you, increasing absorbtion.  IE 'most' of the nicotine stays in the patch even if you wear it the maximum recommended time.  Cut it and nicotine can bypass the membrane that restricts uptake.

I knew they made patches in multiple doses, but being a non-smoker I didn't know it was only a 2-3 step process.
 
2014-05-12 03:26:31 PM
The cigarettes that are out now aren't actually made out of real tobacco. They are some weird fusion of fire safe chemicals and shredded cardboard. I know. I quit a 19 year habit. Before they turned them into this fire safe monstrosity, cigarettes actually tasted good and you could tell one brand from another. Not to mention they cost $5 or more a pack now. I remember when you could scrape the change out of your couch to buy a pack. Now you have to go to the pawn shop.
 
2014-05-12 03:30:44 PM
wait, what? I thought the new malaise du jour was autism?
 
2014-05-12 04:21:41 PM

MadCat221: There was an article within the past year in Popular Science or Discover (I can't remember which and Google does avail me in this matter) about how Nicotine gets a bad rap, and that it's not just Nicotine but the whole concoction of crap cigarettes put into you that causes all the wonderful detriments of smoking.  If nicotine were to be isolated, it could be used as a mental stimulant not unlike caffeine in its low-level hazards of use.  It's been proven through statistical analysis that it alleviates adverse effects of Parkinson's disease treatment drugs, and has a similar focusing effect on ADHD patients.  We already distill nicotine, but use it for something that it's not really good at: smoking cessation aids.


absolutely true. I cant begin to count all the boneheads 'round these parts that think nicotine is what makes cigarettes worse than heroin.

HINT: it's the RATE of absorption and the presence of synergistic cholinergic compounds (and completely undocumented too, gotta love the FDA allowing these companies to call that shiat "tobacco".

TRUTH: when I last quit smoking vaporized nicotine, i did it with exactly one week of chantix. there was no correlation (emotional spontaneous crying, suicidal thoughts, etc) with the other times I quit smoking. Chantix DOESNT make you feel crazy - it's coming down off of everything in cigarettes that they DONT advertise that make you feel that way!
 
2014-05-12 04:23:44 PM

Firethorn: JackieRabbit: There are only two dosages, so if they can keep you hooked on the lower dose, they will have you for a long time.

GS: Nicoderm patches are available in 21, 14, and 7 mg amounts.   Walmart generics say don't cut into pieces.  Nor does Habitrol.

The 'quarter patch' might be MoEE misremembering.

From reading, the concern isn't losing nicotine, it's getting more on you, increasing absorbtion.  IE 'most' of the nicotine stays in the patch even if you wear it the maximum recommended time.  Cut it and nicotine can bypass the membrane that restricts uptake.

I knew they made patches in multiple doses, but being a non-smoker I didn't know it was only a 2-3 step process.



I probably didn't write that as clear as I could have.  We use Step 3 (the lowest dose) and literally cut it into four pieces.  Only one piece is used for the day.    It might alter the effectiveness, but he's done this for two years without any problems.  FWIW, she says at this very low dose there won't be anywithdrawal problems when we stop doing this.

Thanks to all of you that raised questions about the safety of this.  I'll ask the doctor about that.

Helpful Farkers.  Wow, I thought that was as a bigger urban legend than BIE.  Who knew?
 
2014-05-12 04:33:41 PM

Stephen_Falken: wait, what? I thought the new malaise du jour was autism?


Where have you been?

/probably snorting ADHD meth-pills
 
2014-05-12 05:03:56 PM

RottNDude: CruJones: CruJones: Suckmaster Burstingfoam: Which costs more? Adderall, or ciggies with all the sin tax? Adder all is a $5 company for a month, smokes are more than that per pack

ahem, adderrall is a $5 co-pay

Maybe with YOUR apparently awesome insurance....

/$120 for 90 20mg here...


Same here! What Obama care? More like NObama care...
 
2014-05-12 05:13:11 PM

sandbar67: The kid never had ADHD. it's a fake disease.


teenage mutant ninja rapist: sandbar67: The kid never had ADHD. it's a fake disease.

ADHD for when you want to make money selling your kids meds.


i391.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-12 05:33:44 PM

ladyfortuna: sandbar67: The kid never had ADHD. it's a fake disease.

teenage mutant ninja rapist: sandbar67: The kid never had ADHD. it's a fake disease.

ADHD for when you want to make money selling your kids meds.

[i391.photobucket.com image 622x405]


Let me guess, you stay doped up on meth pills?
 
2014-05-12 09:42:29 PM
shortymac:My hubby has ADD and the meds give him wicked side effects (Adderall - up for 3 days straight at the lowest dose and Concerta - anger issues).

As a member of the "ADD Pretenders" I know that the meds can make like less fun.  Unfortunately, the side effects and conflicts with other medication for my various other 'issues' means I cannot take anything.

Despite ADD not existing, it's not fun.
 
2014-05-13 10:44:40 AM

Altair: ladyfortuna: sandbar67: The kid never had ADHD. it's a fake disease.

teenage mutant ninja rapist: sandbar67: The kid never had ADHD. it's a fake disease.

ADHD for when you want to make money selling your kids meds.

[i391.photobucket.com image 622x405]

Let me guess, you stay doped up on meth pills?


No, I take them when I need to get shiat done, and only then. Because otherwise, shiat does not get done.

This is one of the best representations I've seen of what it's like without meds:

i391.photobucket.com
 
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