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2014-05-12 02:18:39 PM
10 votes:
To be honest, GM can go f*ck themselves. They are the reason why we no longer have trolley cars as mass transit and why we don't have much in the way of high speed or light rail (they bought up all the trolley companies in the 40's & 50's and then converted over to buses. All made by GM of course).

www.autogallery.org.ru

And then they have the unmitigated gall to run asshole ads like this to discourage people into riding buses and buy huge gas-guzzlers instead to prove how awesome they are to everyone.

rebuildingfoundationsblog.files.wordpress.com

And riding a bicycle? I bet you're a commie AND  pedophile. Either way, you're a loser. Loser commie pedo!
images.thetruthaboutcars.com


And let's not forget how they pulled up stakes and left Detroit to fend for itself.
www.islandbreath.org

So f*ck GM hard! They are like a million Comcasts with a Koch Brothers center.
2014-05-12 02:11:17 PM
6 votes:
I'll be first to say they suck.
they suck at design, and they sick at service.
They sold me a POS lemon and fark them to hell and fark the assholes that used MY farking tax money to bail their sorry asses out. 
That's communism at the worst.
Farking assholes.

Hope they rot in farking hell.

Never will ever own a POS GM product again.
And Yes, I pay farking cash when I buy a car.
2014-05-12 02:16:12 PM
5 votes:
My father swears by them, but they are the only vehicles he has ever driven.  He still remembers the company as it was in the 70s and 80s when they produced decent minivans that were the lifeblood of his business.  My own experience with a GM is that it was the only car I ever owned that couldn't make it to a hundred thousand, before accumulating so many engine problems, that I had to practically sell it at scrap prices.  My other cars have been Jap cars that have gotten over 200,000 miles without a major  hiccup.  They were all made in America too, by American workers.  I could care less where the board of directors live.
2014-05-12 10:12:04 AM
5 votes:
I can see it... most of their cars have the aesthetic styling of a pancreas.
2014-05-12 02:58:41 PM
2 votes:
GM's biggest mistake was getting rid of the Pontiac and Saturn lines. Pontiac gave you a high-performance engine at an afordable price. Saturn gave you a simple, affordable car with a simple, friendly buying experience. Those were about the only good things GM had going for it.

/My Saturn lasted 13 years before it started having major mechanical problems. It was smooth sailing before then and I was a very happy GM customer. I'd happily replace my Saturn with another Saturn if I could.
2014-05-12 02:55:47 PM
2 votes:
As someone who's spouse works at TMMI, I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

My parents and his parents were long-time GM families. Then in the late 1990's GM's quality started to really decline around the time that their 1987 Silverado and 1987 Blazer were starting to get serious costly issues.. My parents switched to Chrysler, his switched to Toyota. My family has had a lemon Dodge Ram every year since 2000, every truck has some sort of electrical/ignition issue. His family still have their 2003 Tundra and Sequoia, with nearly 200k on the Tundra.

When I graduated high school I received a 1998 Chevy Monte Carlo. Gutless, worthless, rust bucket with bad electrical systems come to mind. I traded that off as soon as I could for a 2001 Toyota Camry...absolutely amazing car. Like a previous reviewer said, it felt like it was made for me. It was economical to drive, powerful engine, great handling, looked nice inside and out, and comfortable for our trans-continental trips every summer. We even managed to put a 1979 Chevy 305 engine in the trunk and haul it back home for my husband's project car restoration.

When we bought a new house out in the country with livestock, the necessity of 4WD and usefulness of a truck were needed. I traded my Camry in for a 2006 Tacoma. Good gas mileage for a truck, powerful enough to pull trailers, and it's not had a major issue in the 8 years I've owned it, and I'm nearing 100k miles. Hubby's truck is a 1993 T100 that's over 125k miles. The only issue it's had was that we had to replace the fuel tank that leaked, found one at a junkyard for $20 and spent an afternoon to fix it.

My parents are now on their 6th Dodge Ram, a 2012. The paint has had to be replaced in spots due to bubbling. It's had the ignition system replaced already. The stereo doesn't work if the truck isn't running, accessory on the ignition powers nothing. The sunroof doesn't work, and they've had the passenger side power windows and locks replaced.

They did try a 2006 Sequoia for a year, but dad declared it used too much fuel, that was his only critique. I fail to see how it could use more fuel than his current vehicle, but whatever. Their loss.
2014-05-12 02:33:40 PM
2 votes:

hitmanric: ObscureNameHere: Not Chrysler!?!?!!?

Or, are they not considered 'US Manufacturer' anymore?

Are there really any US manufacturers anymore? Chrysler is now owned by Fiat. GMs are branded as Holdens in Aussieland and Vauxhalls in Europe. Fords have had a strong market share in Europe and Latin America for decades now. And all 3 have plants outside of the US.


Ford has had separate operations in the British Commonwealth since 1909. GM bought British Vauxhall in 1925, and German Opel in 1929. No international corporation gives a rat's ass about where it was founded, or where it's headquartered, or where most of its customers and employees live. All car manufacturers are from the planet Money.
2014-05-12 02:24:23 PM
2 votes:
Best car i ever owned was a Nissan Frontier truck. Zero problems...strong V6, and a 6-speed manual.
2014-05-12 02:22:57 PM
2 votes:

vudukungfu: I'll be first to say they suck.
they suck at design, and they sick at service.
They sold me a POS lemon and fark them to hell and fark the assholes that used MY farking tax money to bail their sorry asses out. 
That's communism at the worst.
Farking assholes.

Hope they rot in farking hell.

Never will ever own a POS GM product again.
And Yes, I pay farking cash when I buy a car.


I'm never quite sure when you're serious. Either way, second this comment as it also happened to me. Assholes in that company can rot in hell for all I care.
2014-05-12 02:13:07 PM
2 votes:
Not Chrysler!?!?!!?

Or, are they not considered 'US Manufacturer' anymore?
2014-05-12 02:13:02 PM
2 votes:

bdub77: Tr0mBoNe: I can see it... most of their cars have the aesthetic styling of a pancreas.

It's so frustrating that for a while the only semi-affordable EVs that didn't look like death traps were the Volt and the Leaf because I've never driven a Chevy I didn't hate within the first minute of stepping into the vehicle, the cabin is always poorly designed. Every time I step into a Toyota I feel like they built the car just for me. And with the Leaf it was merely an issue with distance - definitely a good commuting car but only 70 miles under less than ideal conditions is not good.

Fords are kind of in between, and Nissans always feel great except for the fact I always feel they have high center of gravity and I could flip them in an instant.

I won't have money to buy a new car for 3 years but then I'm definitely going with an EV or hybrid EV if it's within affordability - the Teslas are looking amazing.


Or, if you really care about the environment, and our dwindling oil supplies, and all that stuff, you could buy a used car.

I won't even get into the economics of buying a new car. Suffice it to say, a new car is pretty much the worst way to spend your money.
2014-05-13 10:39:29 AM
1 votes:

gweilo8888: bungle_jr: at least they didn't get bought out by scania or peugot, or some other shiatty euro brand like chrysler did with fiat

Referring to any European auto maker as "shiatty" by comparison to any US automaker is hi-diddly-I-LARIOUS! The auto industry operates as follows:

* First tier -- Japanese, manufactured in Japan
* Second tier -- Japanese, manufactured outside Japan
* Third tier -- Western European
* Fifth tier -- American
* Sixth tier -- Korean
* Seventh tier -- The rest of the world

/there is no fourth tier, because to say America was fourth would be to overstate its excellence.


This is wrong, IMHO.  (I assume we are talking reliability here.)

First Tier: Honda/Acura/Toyota/Scion/Lexus/Subaru
Second Tier: Everybody else (available in the US; for instance, Chinese made vehicles with Chinese nameplates are in general inferior than anything sold in the US).

Nissan/Infiniti, Mazda, and Mitsubishi (and Isuzu and Suzuki, although those two have pulled out of the US market) are no better than the Detroit Three or the Europeans.  The difference between US built and Japanese built vehicles from the first tier companies is minimal to nonexistent as well (there may have been differences a decade or two ago, but no longer).
2014-05-12 11:10:25 PM
1 votes:

atomic-age: I don't. I buy Subarus.


OP phrased it poorly. You can hardly expect to lose 10 grand driving it off the lot when you only spent 30 grand in the first place. Buy a hundred grand car, you'll lose ten grand easily. And you still lose a heck of a lot on a cheaper ride when you drive it off the lot, Subaru or not.

Pretty much exactly the same car, same trim, same color, same dealership, everything --

New: $28,629
http://www.duffsubaru.com/new/Subaru/2014-Subaru-Outback-e656cc1a0a0 a0 0de6cd04cd318fe781c.htm

Less than 7k on the clock: $25,790
http://www.duffsubaru.com/used/Subaru/2014-Subaru-Outback-c93875870a 0a 00de49257d44c219ad49.htm

That's almost three grand in the first 6,800 miles (42 cents a mile of depreciation). Precisely 10% depreciation, if you prefer. And that's dealer retail, mind you. The dealer isn't going to buy it off you for dealer retail. Nor is a private party. More likely, you'll be out six to eight grand at least, if you want to shed the thing.

And almost all of that happened before the car even drove off the lot. The moment you got past any state-mandated cooling off period, the value plunged because the car can't be sold as new.
2014-05-12 07:09:20 PM
1 votes:

Needlessly Complicated: GM's biggest mistake was getting rid of the Pontiac and Saturn lines. Pontiac gave you a high-performance engine at an afordable price. Saturn gave you a simple, affordable car with a simple, friendly buying experience. Those were about the only good things GM had going for it.

/My Saturn lasted 13 years before it started having major mechanical problems. It was smooth sailing before then and I was a very happy GM customer. I'd happily replace my Saturn with another Saturn if I could.


Saturn lost GM billions of dollars.  Building an entire new dealer network (when they already had about a half a dozen) to sell one, inexpensive, compact car (they added other models later on) was always going to be a money losing proposition, no matter how good the car (or the dealership "experience") was.  At one point they were going to be a subdivision of Oldsmobile (ala Scion for Toyota), which would have made more sense and might have kept Olds from being cut (at least for awhile).  As for their quality, they were better that a Chevy Cavalier but worse than a Toyota Corolla or Honda Civic.
2014-05-12 05:43:36 PM
1 votes:
Been in the Car business all my life. Have driven at least a dozen Fleet cars from my co. over the years from the Big 3. out of all of them at the time the Plymouth Acclaims were very reliable with nary a problem. The std Olds Ciera later was GM's bread and butter and had no problems. Last Ford I drove was a Mercury Monarch in the 80's that was OK too. Doing Fleet work for the rental car co's, & Lease returns for many others I never developed a Favorite. If you work with cars all the time, you just don't put the Value on them that most people do. The last several years we were heavily involved with MB and BMW, OK but Pricey. I look more at the Inside since that's where you ARE all the time, not Outside so that's the most important. I guess you have to like the European styling inside but they don't do that much for me. Right now I think the Koreans are eating everyone else's Lunch. Just don't care for Nissans. I think I looked at too many of them over the years, that's when I saw that Infiniti's were just glorified Maximas. Hondas, everyone wants them so they cost more than Toyota & Nissan for the same stuff. Toyota is OK but doesn't excite me in particular. I bought my Hyundai Sonata in 2010 after at least a year of comparing Brand/Features/Price. I fully expect it to last me the full 10yrs since I have only 38K on it now. The new Kia's coming out now are just Amazing for the price.
2014-05-12 04:36:17 PM
1 votes:

packman_jon: Anyone RTFA?


Suppliers gave GM low marks on all kinds of key measures, including its overall trustworthiness, its communication skills, and its protection of intellectual property.

So basically, their Tier 1 suppliers (the firms that sell parts directly to GM) hate them.


.. And that is because GM is like Walmart..

GM : F U .. give us a 5% discount a year over year

Tier  : Uh.. lemme check on that - sub suppliers, we need to offer 5% to GM

Subs : We can't do that, we are barely making anything on these knudler valves now!

Tier :  Hi GM? yeah , there is no way we can do that, let us explai...

GM : F U you effin worms!!  Give us the discount or we'll cut you out of everything.

Tier : Subs, give us the discount or we'l cut you out of everything.. oh and have 5000 conference calls with GM where they can scream at you maggots..

In Toyota world is goes like this.

 Toyota : Hello, what can we do to reduce costs this part?

 Tier - Uh.. wait .. what?  Um, we aren't making much at all on this now.

 Toyota: We understand, but could you share with us your margins?

 Tier : I guess.. we make 11%

 Toyota : Ok, if we send in our team of process experts and work with you to maintain that margin but lower overall costs through a VA/VE effort would that be acceptable?

 Tier :  Who is this you sick bastard..

/ In the GM supply chain
// Fark GM with a glowing nuclear fuel rod.. right in the cornhole
/// Fark 'em repeatedly
2014-05-12 04:28:27 PM
1 votes:

LazyMedia: mike_d85: LazyMedia: Flargan: LazyMedia: Chinese people would rather own a clapped out used Buick than a new Chinese-made car.

I think it is closer to "Many Chinese people are accustomed to Bikes, Scooters, and Public transit".

It can take a few generations to create a car-culture.

No, I've read that the cars they're currently making in China just suck. Really unreliable, to the point of making Buick seem like Toyota in comparison. There are already more than 130 million cars in China.

So, slightly below average cars seem like slightly above average?
http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&story=iqsBrand&su b ject=iqs">http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&story=i qsBrand&sub ject=iqs

I'm always reading articles about the supposed reliability of American cars these days, but I never hear any anecdotal evidence of it. Could be confirmation bias, but on these car threads, you'll get dozens of people biatching about their POS unreliable American cars and singing the praises of Toyota and Honda, and very few saying anything different.

My experience was with a PT Cruiser. Bought new in 2003, had it for 10 years, had a few problems that needed repair like an engine control chip. Nothing really good about it other than the looks and ability to haul stuff; it drove like crap out of the box and tended to eat brake pads, tires and gasoline (25 mpg). Last year it started using a lot of oil, and leaking radiator fluid. Turned out the engine block had cracked at 90,000 miles. On the other hand, we bought a Honda Civic new in 1995. Fun to drive, insanely good mileage. Never had anything wrong with it other than scheduled maintenance for 15 years; eventually had to replace the air conditioning condenser. Drove it for 140,000 miles and sold it earlier this year as a reliable runner.

I dunno who fills out those J.D. Power questionnaires, but their experience doesn't track anything that actual people tell me.


If I remember right it's based on actual service numbers from repair centers themselves.  It's the NUMBER of repairs, not the SEVERITY of the repairs.  I remember specifically that it doesn't include tire and brake wear.
2014-05-12 04:24:25 PM
1 votes:
jaybeezey
They may have paid the loan back but tax payers still ate $11billion when the govt finally cut and ran from GM.
So GM lives to fight another day. I can't speak to what the article is about since I'm not a parts supplier to GM. However, I think they are doing some good things with some of their newer models.
I hope they can learn from past mistakes, but it doesn't seem likely.


In the mid-80's a decision was made that they were in the business of making money. Somewhere between 1986 and 2008 making cars was a random sideline.

Toyota and Honda, seemed like they were in the business of making improved cars and making money, Ford made great cars that for some strange reason were not available in the US. GM seemed to be more concerned with how to make more money for the next quarter.

\Not sure if bailing them out was the right choice, but maybe it saved the economy.
\\When will Inbev start to fail?
2014-05-12 04:03:59 PM
1 votes:

Flargan: LazyMedia: No, I've read that the cars they're currently making in China just suck. Really unreliable, to the point of making Buick seem like Toyota in comparison. There are already more than 130 million cars in China.

I will just take your word for it.

My friends that travel back and forth to China (charity work mostly) tell me that cars (not just those made domestically) are not considered a primary means of transportation and are viewed as a luxury item.

//In fact the stories I have been told about traffic in Chinese cities would make you believe that cars are useless as a means of transportation.


You're both sort of correct.  As a daily travel option, your average Chinese person gets around with something else besides a car.  However, owning a car is a status symbol in China.  Every single family that wants to be considered upwardly mobile (i.e., all of them) will buy a car.  Only the most patriotic of Chinese will buy a Chinese made car, the citizens know the cars are terrible and unreliable.  Buick is the most desired American brand and Toyota/Honda put a lot of Chinese on their cars to make people forget that they're Japanese owned.

There is a Chinese car culture but there isn't a commuting culture like we may have in the US.  A car to a Chinese person is something they use rarely during the week unless they're VERY wealthy.
2014-05-12 04:00:12 PM
1 votes:

mike_d85: LazyMedia: Flargan: LazyMedia: Chinese people would rather own a clapped out used Buick than a new Chinese-made car.

I think it is closer to "Many Chinese people are accustomed to Bikes, Scooters, and Public transit".

It can take a few generations to create a car-culture.

No, I've read that the cars they're currently making in China just suck. Really unreliable, to the point of making Buick seem like Toyota in comparison. There are already more than 130 million cars in China.

So, slightly below average cars seem like slightly above average?
http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&story=iqsBrand&su b ject=iqs">http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&story=i qsBrand&sub ject=iqs


I'm always reading articles about the supposed reliability of American cars these days, but I never hear any anecdotal evidence of it. Could be confirmation bias, but on these car threads, you'll get dozens of people biatching about their POS unreliable American cars and singing the praises of Toyota and Honda, and very few saying anything different.

My experience was with a PT Cruiser. Bought new in 2003, had it for 10 years, had a few problems that needed repair like an engine control chip. Nothing really good about it other than the looks and ability to haul stuff; it drove like crap out of the box and tended to eat brake pads, tires and gasoline (25 mpg). Last year it started using a lot of oil, and leaking radiator fluid. Turned out the engine block had cracked at 90,000 miles. On the other hand, we bought a Honda Civic new in 1995. Fun to drive, insanely good mileage. Never had anything wrong with it other than scheduled maintenance for 15 years; eventually had to replace the air conditioning condenser. Drove it for 140,000 miles and sold it earlier this year as a reliable runner.

I dunno who fills out those J.D. Power questionnaires, but their experience doesn't track anything that actual people tell me.
2014-05-12 03:59:31 PM
1 votes:

LazyMedia: The story isn't about customer service; it's about how they relate to their suppliers.


At the end of the day, if you treat suppliers like crap, you'll treat customers like crap. If you can find a way to treat one person like crap, you'll find a reason to treat everyone that way.
2014-05-12 03:52:59 PM
1 votes:

gweilo8888: brandent: It's not anymore.  Much of the content is US made.  They have greatly increased their US presence.  For instance this plant started making engines in 2012.
http://www.hmmausa.com/hyundai-motor-manufacturing-alabama-expands-e ng ine-plant/

But America still doesn't have the first clue how to pronounce it. (And nor does Britain, for that matter.)

Hint: It's not "Hunn-day", and nor is it "High-Oon-Die"


Which is why most Korean immigrants change their names to Steve, Brian, Cathy, etc. My Korean college (Steve) told me it is pronounced just as its anglicized spelling suggests: hyun-dye with a slightly long stress on the terminal I sound.
2014-05-12 03:47:29 PM
1 votes:

loonatic112358: Cyclometh: I love my Volt.

Driven about 8 thousand miles, put gas in it three times. Drives great, handles well, gotten good support from my dealer for the few minor issues it's had like the outlet cover sticking, and is super comfortable.

I want one, but I worry that It'll fit me like a clowncar


I'm 6' 1" and 190.  I fit just find in my Volt.  It is really an amazing piece of technology.  I love it and won't hesitate to buy another one.

Their ICE cars, not so much.
2014-05-12 03:35:31 PM
1 votes:

Nemo's Brother: And then Obama gave them all billions. to keep on doing this over and over.


I'm pregnant

It was Dubya that did that, as a final "F*CK YOU! RICH PEOPLE ARE MORE IMPORTANT!" to every regular American who lost their job and home after the crash.
2014-05-12 03:23:28 PM
1 votes:
Owned too many GM cars. GM makes junk. Chrysler makes junk. Ford is decent, but also makes junk. Go 'Murica!
2014-05-12 03:22:21 PM
1 votes:

Flargan: LazyMedia: Chinese people would rather own a clapped out used Buick than a new Chinese-made car.

I think it is closer to "Many Chinese people are accustomed to Bikes, Scooters, and Public transit".

It can take a few generations to create a car-culture.


No, I've read that the cars they're currently making in China just suck. Really unreliable, to the point of making Buick seem like Toyota in comparison. There are already more than 130 million cars in China.
2014-05-12 03:20:15 PM
1 votes:

wildcardjack: Well... Never buy the first model year of a GM product.


/FTFY while also shortening it by five words
2014-05-12 03:16:03 PM
1 votes:
I can vouch for this.  They're dicks.  They won't sign contracts, they just send a letter saying they agree to your terms and will email/fax/write back and forth over and over rather than sign a document they SAY they agree to, but won't actually agree to.  Never happened to us, but I'm sure they up and decide to change their pricing and just say "we never agreed to THAT draft".

/That looks paranoid written out.
//Whatever, you shouldn't make suppliers paranoid.
2014-05-12 03:14:48 PM
1 votes:

Poowaddins: As someone who's spouse works at TMMI, I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

My parents and his parents were long-time GM families. Then in the late 1990's GM's quality started to really decline around the time that their 1987 Silverado and 1987 Blazer were starting to get serious costly issues.. My parents switched to Chrysler, his switched to Toyota. My family has had a lemon Dodge Ram every year since 2000, every truck has some sort of electrical/ignition issue. His family still have their 2003 Tundra and Sequoia, with nearly 200k on the Tundra.

When I graduated high school I received a 1998 Chevy Monte Carlo. Gutless, worthless, rust bucket with bad electrical systems come to mind. I traded that off as soon as I could for a 2001 Toyota Camry...absolutely amazing car. Like a previous reviewer said, it felt like it was made for me. It was economical to drive, powerful engine, great handling, looked nice inside and out, and comfortable for our trans-continental trips every summer. We even managed to put a 1979 Chevy 305 engine in the trunk and haul it back home for my husband's project car restoration.

When we bought a new house out in the country with livestock, the necessity of 4WD and usefulness of a truck were needed. I traded my Camry in for a 2006 Tacoma. Good gas mileage for a truck, powerful enough to pull trailers, and it's not had a major issue in the 8 years I've owned it, and I'm nearing 100k miles. Hubby's truck is a 1993 T100 that's over 125k miles. The only issue it's had was that we had to replace the fuel tank that leaked, found one at a junkyard for $20 and spent an afternoon to fix it.

My parents are now on their 6th Dodge Ram, a 2012. The paint has had to be replaced in spots due to bubbling. It's had the ignition system replaced already. The stereo doesn't work if the truck isn't running, accessory on the ignition powers nothing. The sunroof doesn't work, and they've had the passenger side power windows and locks replaced.

They did try a ...


This seems to be in line with my own and others experiences. The Japanese design and build superior automobiles and have for at least 25 years. I had a 1985 Honda Civic that I had bought new. At 135K miles it just stopped at a red light and could not be started. I had it towed to the Honda dealership, who gave me the bad news: the camshaft drive pin had broken. The engine would need to be rebuilt. I told them to let me consider if a 8 year old car with this many miles warranted such a repair. As I was pondering this, I got a call from Americana Honda's customer representative. He told me that regardless of the age of the car or the number of miles, that camshaft pin should not have broken. Because of this, Honda would repair the engine at no cost to me and give me a loaner car. I drove that car for another four years and 50K miles. I bought a 1998 Accord, which my wife still drives and it is in good working condition. I drive a 2007 Accord, which still handles like it is brand new. Neither car has ever had anything by routine maintenance or minor repairs.
2014-05-12 03:12:21 PM
1 votes:

realmolo: bdub77: Tr0mBoNe: I can see it... most of their cars have the aesthetic styling of a pancreas.

It's so frustrating that for a while the only semi-affordable EVs that didn't look like death traps were the Volt and the Leaf because I've never driven a Chevy I didn't hate within the first minute of stepping into the vehicle, the cabin is always poorly designed. Every time I step into a Toyota I feel like they built the car just for me. And with the Leaf it was merely an issue with distance - definitely a good commuting car but only 70 miles under less than ideal conditions is not good.

Fords are kind of in between, and Nissans always feel great except for the fact I always feel they have high center of gravity and I could flip them in an instant.

I won't have money to buy a new car for 3 years but then I'm definitely going with an EV or hybrid EV if it's within affordability - the Teslas are looking amazing.

Or, if you really care about the environment, and our dwindling oil supplies, and all that stuff, you could buy a used car.

I won't even get into the economics of buying a new car. Suffice it to say, a new car is pretty much the worst way to spend your money.


Sadly, Obama destroyed tens of thousands of fully functional used cars in an effort to force us to buy new cars.
2014-05-12 03:03:01 PM
1 votes:
Is this the thread where everyone openly admits they suck at choosing cars?
2014-05-12 02:35:00 PM
1 votes:

bungle_jr: vudukungfu: I'll be first to say they suck.
they suck at design, and they sick at service.
They sold me a POS lemon and fark them to hell and fark the assholes that used MY farking tax money to bail their sorry asses out.
That's communism at the worst.
Farking assholes.

Hope they rot in farking hell.

Never will ever own a POS GM product again.
And Yes, I pay farking cash when I buy a car.

fyi, they paid it back

not white-knighting...only gm i would buy is a vette...just stating fact

ObscureNameHere: Not Chrysler!?!?!!?

Or, are they not considered 'US Manufacturer' anymore?

not that i've ever been a big fan of chrysler*, but they officially died, in my opinion, when they got themselves bought by fiat! now we have these ugly little 500s every farking where!

*i've owned 2 chryslers...one eagle summit, one dodge avenger...ONLY reason i went with either was the mitsubishi engine

2014-05-12 02:33:21 PM
1 votes:

AeAe: I'm getting a kick because i just bought a Jeep Grand Cherokee.


I'm sorry. I hope your life insurance is paid up.
2014-05-12 02:33:16 PM
1 votes:
www.techienews.co.uk
2014-05-12 02:28:54 PM
1 votes:
You all realize this article is about how difficult it is for GM's suppliers to deal with them, right?  It's got nothing to do with consumers.

Not disputing that their end product is crap, just sayin'
2014-05-12 02:22:43 PM
1 votes:
Well... Never buy the first model year of a GM product.
2014-05-12 02:21:53 PM
1 votes:

ObscureNameHere: Not Chrysler!?!?!!?

Or, are they not considered 'US Manufacturer' anymore?


It never ceases to surprise me that other companies beat Chrysler to the bottom of the list. My grandfather is a loyal Chrysler owner, so I get to see the poor quality first hand. For decades I've observed interiors that deteriorate and electronics that are inoperable after only a few years, bodies that rust from the inside out, etc.
2014-05-12 02:21:53 PM
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Why can't America have nice things?

Because Americans scare each other.
2014-05-12 02:21:07 PM
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bungle_jr: fyi, they paid it back


FYI they should NEVER HAVE GOTTEN IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

They failed. They failed be cause they SUCKASS and they deserved to die DIE DIE

They should have been buried under the more successful, less sucky competition.


Fark them in the ass.
2014-05-12 02:21:00 PM
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My wife's GM car was recalled. She was actually in an accident in 2005 in it which is more or less identical to what the described problems were (tried to break quickly after a car merged in front of her and slammed on their breaks and her power steering/power breakings locked up).

They said it would be about two weeks top fix the ignition, but it was actually more like six and a half. When we got it back, her speakers now "pop" whenever she engages her ignition, her audio system only works about half the time, and her passenger side windows don't work. When we brought it back to have them look at it they basically said "Well, the ignition isn't really close to those systems, so it couldn't have been our fault." and refused to do anything other than tell us it'd be around a grand to try to fix it.

Soooooo, yeah, going to try to talk to a manger at the dealership this afternoon about that, but I think we've more or less decided we're never buying a GM car again.
2014-05-12 02:18:09 PM
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bdub77: Every time I step into a Toyota I feel like they built the car just for me


I've never driven a Toyota that I like. They're practical, economical, well designed and incredibly boring.
2014-05-12 02:17:08 PM
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GM sucks, Chrysler is a very close second.
2014-05-12 02:15:50 PM
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The only GM car I've ever owned was a very elderly, totally unrestored 1974 Nova (which I loved). I've rented a few in recent years, and Jesus God, those are some awful cars. The Aveo MUST have been designed by Chinese spies bent on destroying American industry. It was as bad as a '70s Chevette, which was my previous bench mark for worst car in history (including the '80s Hyundai Excel).
2014-05-12 02:14:25 PM
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FWIW I like Buick's ad campaign where everyone is shocked that the Buick is a Buick. Clever and well-done.

That said, I would not buy a car from a US company unless I was looking for something very, very cheap (almost disposable) and I couldn't find something from an Asian company that fit the bill. The odds that I will make a major "investment" in a US car in my lifetime is near to zero.
2014-05-12 11:33:14 AM
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Tr0mBoNe: I can see it... most of their cars have the aesthetic styling of a pancreas.


It's so frustrating that for a while the only semi-affordable EVs that didn't look like death traps were the Volt and the Leaf because I've never driven a Chevy I didn't hate within the first minute of stepping into the vehicle, the cabin is always poorly designed. Every time I step into a Toyota I feel like they built the car just for me. And with the Leaf it was merely an issue with distance - definitely a good commuting car but only 70 miles under less than ideal conditions is not good.

Fords are kind of in between, and Nissans always feel great except for the fact I always feel they have high center of gravity and I could flip them in an instant.

I won't have money to buy a new car for 3 years but then I'm definitely going with an EV or hybrid EV if it's within affordability - the Teslas are looking amazing.
 
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