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2014-05-12 10:12:04 AM  
I can see it... most of their cars have the aesthetic styling of a pancreas.
 
2014-05-12 11:33:14 AM  

Tr0mBoNe: I can see it... most of their cars have the aesthetic styling of a pancreas.


It's so frustrating that for a while the only semi-affordable EVs that didn't look like death traps were the Volt and the Leaf because I've never driven a Chevy I didn't hate within the first minute of stepping into the vehicle, the cabin is always poorly designed. Every time I step into a Toyota I feel like they built the car just for me. And with the Leaf it was merely an issue with distance - definitely a good commuting car but only 70 miles under less than ideal conditions is not good.

Fords are kind of in between, and Nissans always feel great except for the fact I always feel they have high center of gravity and I could flip them in an instant.

I won't have money to buy a new car for 3 years but then I'm definitely going with an EV or hybrid EV if it's within affordability - the Teslas are looking amazing.
 
2014-05-12 02:11:17 PM  
I'll be first to say they suck.
they suck at design, and they sick at service.
They sold me a POS lemon and fark them to hell and fark the assholes that used MY farking tax money to bail their sorry asses out. 
That's communism at the worst.
Farking assholes.

Hope they rot in farking hell.

Never will ever own a POS GM product again.
And Yes, I pay farking cash when I buy a car.
 
2014-05-12 02:12:40 PM  
One bit of good news for GM. When the list of car makers was expanded to include the three German auto companies, which have a far less significant market share in the U.S., suppliers said Daimler AG's Mercedes-Benz and Volkswagen AG were even harder to deal with.

See, the krauts are bigger jerks to their suppliers than Government Motors even. Germans!

/BMW did well on the survey, because they are jolly Bavarians.
 
2014-05-12 02:13:02 PM  

bdub77: Tr0mBoNe: I can see it... most of their cars have the aesthetic styling of a pancreas.

It's so frustrating that for a while the only semi-affordable EVs that didn't look like death traps were the Volt and the Leaf because I've never driven a Chevy I didn't hate within the first minute of stepping into the vehicle, the cabin is always poorly designed. Every time I step into a Toyota I feel like they built the car just for me. And with the Leaf it was merely an issue with distance - definitely a good commuting car but only 70 miles under less than ideal conditions is not good.

Fords are kind of in between, and Nissans always feel great except for the fact I always feel they have high center of gravity and I could flip them in an instant.

I won't have money to buy a new car for 3 years but then I'm definitely going with an EV or hybrid EV if it's within affordability - the Teslas are looking amazing.


Or, if you really care about the environment, and our dwindling oil supplies, and all that stuff, you could buy a used car.

I won't even get into the economics of buying a new car. Suffice it to say, a new car is pretty much the worst way to spend your money.
 
2014-05-12 02:13:07 PM  
Not Chrysler!?!?!!?

Or, are they not considered 'US Manufacturer' anymore?
 
2014-05-12 02:14:25 PM  
FWIW I like Buick's ad campaign where everyone is shocked that the Buick is a Buick. Clever and well-done.

That said, I would not buy a car from a US company unless I was looking for something very, very cheap (almost disposable) and I couldn't find something from an Asian company that fit the bill. The odds that I will make a major "investment" in a US car in my lifetime is near to zero.
 
2014-05-12 02:15:50 PM  
The only GM car I've ever owned was a very elderly, totally unrestored 1974 Nova (which I loved). I've rented a few in recent years, and Jesus God, those are some awful cars. The Aveo MUST have been designed by Chinese spies bent on destroying American industry. It was as bad as a '70s Chevette, which was my previous bench mark for worst car in history (including the '80s Hyundai Excel).
 
2014-05-12 02:16:12 PM  
My father swears by them, but they are the only vehicles he has ever driven.  He still remembers the company as it was in the 70s and 80s when they produced decent minivans that were the lifeblood of his business.  My own experience with a GM is that it was the only car I ever owned that couldn't make it to a hundred thousand, before accumulating so many engine problems, that I had to practically sell it at scrap prices.  My other cars have been Jap cars that have gotten over 200,000 miles without a major  hiccup.  They were all made in America too, by American workers.  I could care less where the board of directors live.
 
2014-05-12 02:16:19 PM  
I've owned 3 GM cars.
An Oldsmabile Delta 88.  It was a deisel.  It was also a royal pain in the ass.
A 1972 Pontiac Firebird.  I'll give it this much.  It was fast and powerful.
The car I have now.  A 2007 Chevy Aveo.  The most amusing part about this is that it's not actually a Chevy.  It's a South Korean Deawoo.  Everywhere else in the world, that's how it's sold.  Why it's a Chevy here, I really don't know.

In any case, of the GMs I've owned, it's the absolute best!
 
2014-05-12 02:17:08 PM  
GM sucks, Chrysler is a very close second.
 
2014-05-12 02:17:22 PM  
Gf has a 2014 Cadillac ATS and loves it...
 
2014-05-12 02:18:09 PM  

bdub77: Every time I step into a Toyota I feel like they built the car just for me


I've never driven a Toyota that I like. They're practical, economical, well designed and incredibly boring.
 
2014-05-12 02:18:14 PM  

realmolo: bdub77: Tr0mBoNe: I can see it... most of their cars have the aesthetic styling of a pancreas.

It's so frustrating that for a while the only semi-affordable EVs that didn't look like death traps were the Volt and the Leaf because I've never driven a Chevy I didn't hate within the first minute of stepping into the vehicle, the cabin is always poorly designed. Every time I step into a Toyota I feel like they built the car just for me. And with the Leaf it was merely an issue with distance - definitely a good commuting car but only 70 miles under less than ideal conditions is not good.

Fords are kind of in between, and Nissans always feel great except for the fact I always feel they have high center of gravity and I could flip them in an instant.

I won't have money to buy a new car for 3 years but then I'm definitely going with an EV or hybrid EV if it's within affordability - the Teslas are looking amazing.

Or, if you really care about the environment, and our dwindling oil supplies, and all that stuff, you could buy a used car.

I won't even get into the economics of buying a new car. Suffice it to say, a new car is pretty much the worst way to spend your money.


So, my '99 Jag XK8 is saving the planet? Sweet!
 
2014-05-12 02:18:39 PM  
To be honest, GM can go f*ck themselves. They are the reason why we no longer have trolley cars as mass transit and why we don't have much in the way of high speed or light rail (they bought up all the trolley companies in the 40's & 50's and then converted over to buses. All made by GM of course).

www.autogallery.org.ru

And then they have the unmitigated gall to run asshole ads like this to discourage people into riding buses and buy huge gas-guzzlers instead to prove how awesome they are to everyone.

rebuildingfoundationsblog.files.wordpress.com

And riding a bicycle? I bet you're a commie AND  pedophile. Either way, you're a loser. Loser commie pedo!
images.thetruthaboutcars.com


And let's not forget how they pulled up stakes and left Detroit to fend for itself.
www.islandbreath.org

So f*ck GM hard! They are like a million Comcasts with a Koch Brothers center.
 
2014-05-12 02:18:55 PM  

vudukungfu: I'll be first to say they suck.
they suck at design, and they sick at service.
They sold me a POS lemon and fark them to hell and fark the assholes that used MY farking tax money to bail their sorry asses out. 
That's communism at the worst.
Farking assholes.

Hope they rot in farking hell.

Never will ever own a POS GM product again.
And Yes, I pay farking cash when I buy a car.


fyi, they paid it back

not white-knighting...only gm i would buy is a vette...just stating fact

ObscureNameHere: Not Chrysler!?!?!!?

Or, are they not considered 'US Manufacturer' anymore?


not that i've ever been a big fan of chrysler*, but they officially died, in my opinion, when they got themselves bought by fiat! now we have these ugly little 500s every farking where!

*i've owned 2 chryslers...one eagle summit, one dodge avenger...ONLY reason i went with either was the mitsubishi engine
 
2014-05-12 02:19:03 PM  

vudukungfu: That's communism at the worst.


No, it is the new Socialism where we privatize the profits and the risk are socialized. All those libby libs wanted socialism well guess what? You got it, bastard American style.
 
2014-05-12 02:21:00 PM  
My wife's GM car was recalled. She was actually in an accident in 2005 in it which is more or less identical to what the described problems were (tried to break quickly after a car merged in front of her and slammed on their breaks and her power steering/power breakings locked up).

They said it would be about two weeks top fix the ignition, but it was actually more like six and a half. When we got it back, her speakers now "pop" whenever she engages her ignition, her audio system only works about half the time, and her passenger side windows don't work. When we brought it back to have them look at it they basically said "Well, the ignition isn't really close to those systems, so it couldn't have been our fault." and refused to do anything other than tell us it'd be around a grand to try to fix it.

Soooooo, yeah, going to try to talk to a manger at the dealership this afternoon about that, but I think we've more or less decided we're never buying a GM car again.
 
2014-05-12 02:21:05 PM  

Voiceofreason01: bdub77: Every time I step into a Toyota I feel like they built the car just for me

I've never driven a Toyota that I like. They're practical, economical, well designed and incredibly boring.


The Corolla SR-5 from the mid-'70s had a biatchin' cabin design; it was like a fighter cockpit with all the dials and stuff angled toward you. Other than that, though, yeah, they're pretty dull. For some reason, I prefer Hondas; they're pretty boring, too, but there's a slight Apple kind of a vibe to them.
 
2014-05-12 02:21:07 PM  

bungle_jr: fyi, they paid it back


FYI they should NEVER HAVE GOTTEN IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

They failed. They failed be cause they SUCKASS and they deserved to die DIE DIE

They should have been buried under the more successful, less sucky competition.


Fark them in the ass.
 
2014-05-12 02:21:53 PM  
Why can't America have nice things?

Because Americans scare each other.
 
2014-05-12 02:21:53 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Not Chrysler!?!?!!?

Or, are they not considered 'US Manufacturer' anymore?


It never ceases to surprise me that other companies beat Chrysler to the bottom of the list. My grandfather is a loyal Chrysler owner, so I get to see the poor quality first hand. For decades I've observed interiors that deteriorate and electronics that are inoperable after only a few years, bodies that rust from the inside out, etc.
 
2014-05-12 02:22:34 PM  
well, fark I'm screwed. GM seems to be the only car maker that can make a small car that I can drive long distances
 
2014-05-12 02:22:43 PM  
Well... Never buy the first model year of a GM product.
 
2014-05-12 02:22:57 PM  

vudukungfu: I'll be first to say they suck.
they suck at design, and they sick at service.
They sold me a POS lemon and fark them to hell and fark the assholes that used MY farking tax money to bail their sorry asses out. 
That's communism at the worst.
Farking assholes.

Hope they rot in farking hell.

Never will ever own a POS GM product again.
And Yes, I pay farking cash when I buy a car.


I'm never quite sure when you're serious. Either way, second this comment as it also happened to me. Assholes in that company can rot in hell for all I care.
 
2014-05-12 02:23:28 PM  
I'm getting a kick because i just bought a Jeep Grand Cherokee.
 
2014-05-12 02:23:47 PM  
No issues with my 2012 convertible camaro. Bought it with 12.5k miles on it. Just passed 25k.

All these poo-poo GM threads though, man they make me worry that issues are going to hit me like a truck very, very soon.
 
2014-05-12 02:23:54 PM  

vudukungfu: They should have been buried under the more successful, less sucky competition.


All of the competition is subsidized by their home countries. When a car company dies, you don't get more and better competition, you just get one fewer car company.
 
2014-05-12 02:24:08 PM  

LazyMedia: The only GM car I've ever owned was a very elderly, totally unrestored 1974 Nova (which I loved). I've rented a few in recent years, and Jesus God, those are some awful cars. The Aveo MUST have been designed by Chinese spies bent on destroying American industry. It was as bad as a '70s Chevette, which was my previous bench mark for worst car in history (including the '80s Hyundai Excel).


Actually it was Korean


I suspect from Best Korea, not lesser Korea from looking at the interior
 
2014-05-12 02:24:23 PM  
Best car i ever owned was a Nissan Frontier truck. Zero problems...strong V6, and a 6-speed manual.
 
2014-05-12 02:24:52 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: All those libby libs wanted socialism well guess what? You got it, bastard American style.


I'm not a Farking LIBBY LIB. I only LIVE IN VERMONT!.
I'm FOR THE DEATH PENALTY, for shiat's sakes.
Jesus jumping christ on a pogo stick.
Fark this whole farking country.
It's entirely populated with too many ignorant yayhoos.
Left, right, middle of the road, it doesn't matter what side they are on.
Jesus farking christ, if the farmer down the road fark up and farks his chickens to death, we don't give him a replacement farking farked to death chicken subsidy, now, do we?
DO WE?!!


/Oh shait.
//Please tell me we don't
///Tell me only Fox News is profiting from farking chickens.
 
2014-05-12 02:25:15 PM  

Voiceofreason01: bdub77: Every time I step into a Toyota I feel like they built the car just for me

I've never driven a Toyota that I like. They're practical, economical, well designed and incredibly boring.


I'll add, built for people who aren't over 6'4"
 
2014-05-12 02:25:26 PM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Gf has a 2014 Cadillac ATS and loves it...


We all glad to hear your girlfriend "Loves it"

But what does she think about the Caddy?
 
2014-05-12 02:26:39 PM  

bleeblahbloo: I'm never quite sure when you're serious.


Ask the local used car dealers. They all know when come on a lot to kick tires, it means I was there when they were at church already kicking tires, and have made up my mind. And no, I don't finance cars. I pay up front.
 
2014-05-12 02:26:44 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-12 02:26:47 PM  

vudukungfu: bungle_jr: fyi, they paid it back

FYI they should NEVER HAVE GOTTEN IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

They failed. They failed be cause they SUCKASS and they deserved to die DIE DIE

They should have been buried under the more successful, less sucky competition.

Fark them in the ass.


i do agree with you
but i still have to give the kudos for getting it paid back...whether they deserved it in the first place or not

at least they didn't get bought out by scania or peugot, or some other shiatty euro brand like chrysler did with fiat
 
2014-05-12 02:27:49 PM  
This is not a repeat of 1974, 1984, 1994, or 2004...

vudukungfu: Slaves2Darkness: All those libby libs wanted socialism well guess what? You got it, bastard American style.

I'm not a Farking LIBBY LIB. I only LIVE IN VERMONT!.
I'm FOR THE DEATH PENALTY, for shiat's sakes.
Jesus jumping christ on a pogo stick.
Fark this whole farking country.
It's entirely populated with too many ignorant yayhoos.
Left, right, middle of the road, it doesn't matter what side they are on.
Jesus farking christ, if the farmer down the road fark up and farks his chickens to death, we don't give him a replacement farking farked to death chicken subsidy, now, do we?
DO WE?!!


/Oh shait.
//Please tell me we don't
///Tell me only Fox News is profiting from farking chickens.


Please don't feed the trolls.
 
2014-05-12 02:28:14 PM  

loonatic112358: LazyMedia: The only GM car I've ever owned was a very elderly, totally unrestored 1974 Nova (which I loved). I've rented a few in recent years, and Jesus God, those are some awful cars. The Aveo MUST have been designed by Chinese spies bent on destroying American industry. It was as bad as a '70s Chevette, which was my previous bench mark for worst car in history (including the '80s Hyundai Excel).

Actually it was Korean


I suspect from Best Korea, not lesser Korea from looking at the interior


That's GM for you. Ford needs a small car, they go partner up with Mazda and get something half-decent. GM needs a small car, they switch from Toyota to Daewoo. They make fishing reels, for crissake.
 
2014-05-12 02:28:28 PM  

ObscureNameHere: Not Chrysler!?!?!!?

Or, are they not considered 'US Manufacturer' anymore?


Are there really any US manufacturers anymore? Chrysler is now owned by Fiat. GMs are branded as Holdens in Aussieland and Vauxhalls in Europe. Fords have had a strong market share in Europe and Latin America for decades now. And all 3 have plants outside of the US.
 
2014-05-12 02:28:41 PM  
No way, Tier 1 customers are generally assholes that use their volume and monetary influx to a smaller company throw their weight around to get things the way they want?

Never owned a GM... their cars reek of middle management boredom.
 
2014-05-12 02:28:54 PM  
You all realize this article is about how difficult it is for GM's suppliers to deal with them, right?  It's got nothing to do with consumers.

Not disputing that their end product is crap, just sayin'
 
2014-05-12 02:29:08 PM  

hitmanric: ObscureNameHere: Not Chrysler!?!?!!?

Or, are they not considered 'US Manufacturer' anymore?

Are there really any US manufacturers anymore? Chrysler is now owned by Fiat. GMs are branded as Holdens in Aussieland and Vauxhalls in Europe. Fords have had a strong market share in Europe and Latin America for decades now. And all 3 have plants outside of the US.


Nissan trucks = made in USA.
 
2014-05-12 02:29:45 PM  

The_EliteOne: No issues with my 2012 convertible camaro. Bought it with 12.5k miles on it. Just passed 25k.

All these poo-poo GM threads though, man they make me worry that issues are going to hit me like a truck very, very soon.


It's always right after the factory warranty expires.
 
2014-05-12 02:29:54 PM  

vudukungfu: bleeblahbloo: I'm never quite sure when you're serious.

Ask the local used car dealers. They all know when come on a lot to kick tires, it means I was there when they were at church already kicking tires, and have made up my mind. And no, I don't finance cars. I pay up front.


No, i meant your story about buying the shiatty car. After all, you didn't say CSB. Either way, I agree with your sentiment that GM sucks and should DIAF.
 
2014-05-12 02:30:40 PM  

debug: You all realize this article is about how difficult it is for GM's suppliers to deal with them, right?  It's got nothing to do with consumers.

Not disputing that their end product is crap, just sayin'


Aw, shiat, we've got someone in here who actually read the linked article.

/Everyone hide!
 
2014-05-12 02:30:50 PM  

bungle_jr: vudukungfu: bungle_jr: fyi, they paid it back

FYI they should NEVER HAVE GOTTEN IT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

They failed. They failed be cause they SUCKASS and they deserved to die DIE DIE

They should have been buried under the more successful, less sucky competition.

Fark them in the ass.

i do agree with you
but i still have to give the kudos for getting it paid back...whether they deserved it in the first place or not

at least they didn't get bought out by scania or peugot, or some other shiatty euro brand like chrysler did with fiat


I figure Chrysler has a few more years of fark uppedness to overcome


dumped by daimler, then by cerberus now owned by Fiat


well at least it wasn't Chinese like Volvo
 
2014-05-12 02:31:09 PM  
I had a ford Edge two years ago.. It was a sleek and comfortable to drive. Ironically enough, driving it was so comfortable, that it induced me  to sleep. The car was so quite and does not gyrate at high speed., no freaking sound either. Eventually when I moved. I exchanged with asian car, that doesn't make me sleep while driving.
 
2014-05-12 02:31:30 PM  

vudukungfu: Slaves2Darkness: All those libby libs wanted socialism well guess what? You got it, bastard American style.

I'm not a Farking LIBBY LIB. I only LIVE IN VERMONT!.
I'm FOR THE DEATH PENALTY, for shiat's sakes.
Jesus jumping christ on a pogo stick.
Fark this whole farking country.
It's entirely populated with too many ignorant yayhoos.
Left, right, middle of the road, it doesn't matter what side they are on.
Jesus farking christ, if the farmer down the road fark up and farks his chickens to death, we don't give him a replacement farking farked to death chicken subsidy, now, do we?
DO WE?!!


/Oh shait.
//Please tell me we don't
///Tell me only Fox News is profiting from farking chickens.


Just another FOINE example of why I have you favorited....
 
2014-05-12 02:31:43 PM  

TV's Vinnie: To be honest, GM can go f*ck themselves. They are the reason why we no longer have trolley cars as mass transit and why we don't have much in the way of high speed or light rail (they bought up all the trolley companies in the 40's & 50's and then converted over to buses. All made by GM of course).

[www.autogallery.org.ru image 519x274]

And then they have the unmitigated gall to run asshole ads like this to discourage people into riding buses and buy huge gas-guzzlers instead to prove how awesome they are to everyone.

[rebuildingfoundationsblog.files.wordpress.com image 313x400]


Have you ever actually used a street trolley? Not light rail or separate-grade trolleys, but rail in street trolleys?

Because god help you if they ever need to work on the street -- there's no re-routing that trolley.
 
2014-05-12 02:31:45 PM  
What I find weird is everybody bashing GM cars and they have been the best, longest lasting cars I've ever owned. The Ford's, three of them, I've owned spontaneously combusted. Itis a very weird sight to look across the hood of your car and realize the paint is peeling.

The Mitsubishi Galant I bought new did not make three years before the dealer decided to void the warranty over electrical problems. My lawyer got that contract voided and Mitsu had to pay penalties, but then that was when they were writing fraudulent contracts and pretty much the judge was fed up with their shenanigans.

Of the three GM Cars I've owned Corsica, Monte Carlo, and my current Cobalt all have surpassed 100,000 miles, sadly both were totalled right around 150,000 miles. The Corsica by my now ex-wife and the Monte was taken out by a drunk driver while parked. My 05 Cobalt is currently at 140,000 miles and I imagine I'll get another 4 years out of it. If you keep up on the maintenance, and I don't mean just the oil changes, Chevy's hold together like any other car. Sadly most people skip on  major maintenance, and then biatch when shiat breaks.

The current ignition switch recall amuses the shiat out of me, because that was one of the first things I noticed about the Cobalt. My knee could catch my key chain just right and turn the car off. Only ever happened once, and that was when I realized what could happen. Which is why this recall amusues the shiat out of me, because really how much of farking moron do you have to be to do that more than once?
 
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