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(Gamasutra)   With GameSpy's demise, EA decides to pull the plug on the classic Battlefield, Star Wars Battlefront and Command and Conquer games   (gamasutra.com ) divider line
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2014-05-12 09:27:51 AM  
Now I feel like getting out my old C&C Red Alert 95 CD...
 
2014-05-12 09:29:56 AM  
This is why we don't want external authentication to let us play the games we bought.
 
2014-05-12 10:57:18 AM  
I can still use a dial-up modem to connect directly to my friends' computers, right?

/ If my brother doesn't pick up the phone in the middle of the game, that is...
 
2014-05-12 11:03:13 AM  
Man we used to play the shiat out of C&C.
 
2014-05-12 11:03:50 AM  
I know it's old and not in the article, but man I loved BF1942.  I'm always a little sad over the direction those games took.
 
2014-05-12 11:05:49 AM  
Luckily they will tease us with the idea of updating those games for us, then give the equivalent of the new Sims.
 
2014-05-12 11:06:24 AM  
Generals deserved a franchise.
 
2014-05-12 11:07:41 AM  

BafflerMeal: I know it's old and not in the article, but man I loved BF1942.  I'm always a little sad over the direction those games took.


It's mentioned in the EA letter the article links to.

Battlefield 2142 was freaking awesome too.
 
2014-05-12 11:07:54 AM  
And I just bought like 4 copies of Battlefront 2 on the steam sale so all my friends and I could smash together. fark you EA, you shiat on everything and everyone that's good for you and then you shiat on us some more saying "We had to shiat on you before to provide the best experience possible. Nothing but fine creamy shiat with chunks of corn is good enough for our customers."

Why?
Cause we're EA, and life is a farking nightmare.
 
2014-05-12 11:10:21 AM  
I always enjoyed C&C, but I truly loved starcraft.
 
2014-05-12 11:12:44 AM  

Fano: Generals deserved a franchise.


Unfortunately the Kane fanbois were louder and EA responded with the futuristic settings of Command and Conquer 3, 4, etc. And they sucked something fierce.

Seriously, some people griped Generals wasn't a true part of the franchise because the construction and unit building bar was not on the side like previous C&C games.
 
2014-05-12 11:15:21 AM  
Practical_Draconian:

Battlefield 2142 was freaking awesome too.

If there is any game that needs a remake in modern tech, it is 2142
Just cut down on the grenade spam >.>
 
2014-05-12 11:17:41 AM  
Ah Gamespy, I used to play alot of star trek elite forces and Total Annihilation Kingdoms on there.
 
2014-05-12 11:20:05 AM  
I just want an updated Star Wars Battlefront, dammit! You'd think they'd have made (and FINISHED, and RELEASED) another one when The Clone Wars was on TV. Synergy and all that, you know?

But NnnnnoooooOOOoooooo! They canceled it and left us dangling. Now all we can do is try to make the older games work well, or pay through the nose for used copies on consoles.
 
2014-05-12 11:23:08 AM  
 
2014-05-12 11:24:33 AM  

DaStompa: Practical_Draconian:

Battlefield 2142 was freaking awesome too.

If there is any game that needs a remake in modern tech, it is 2142
Just cut down on the grenade spam >.>


A few suggestions:

More air vehicles, but make the engineers' AA rockets stronger (or give them an EMP or improved railgun alternative to countermeasures).

Either rule out the drone-surfing squad leader cheat or make it easier to kill him and his team spawning on a rooftop that's not supposed to be played on.

Less emphasis on the choke point in some maps. I think I saw the Russian side win about three times without the drone surfer cheat on the Fall of Berlin map in the years I played.
 
2014-05-12 11:26:32 AM  
EA is the only games company that has ever canceled service like this for me. That's saying something.
 
2014-05-12 11:26:43 AM  
Is this the thread where everyone bashes EA while simultaneously pre-ordering their next game?
 
2014-05-12 11:27:26 AM  

Nix Nightbird: I just want an updated Star Wars Battlefront, dammit! You'd think they'd have made (and FINISHED, and RELEASED) another one when The Clone Wars was on TV. Synergy and all that, you know?

But NnnnnoooooOOOoooooo! They canceled it and left us dangling. Now all we can do is try to make the older games work well, or pay through the nose for used copies on consoles.


You do know they are among another one right? It's being made by dice the people who make the battlefield games.
 
2014-05-12 11:28:01 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Is this the thread where everyone bashes EA while simultaneously pre-ordering their next game?


Nope. Haven't pre-ordered anything from ea in years.
 
2014-05-12 11:29:18 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Is this the thread where everyone bashes EA while simultaneously pre-ordering their next game?


I have not purchased an Electronic Arts game since Mass Effect 3. After observing how the poisonous influence of Electronic Arts adversely affected Mass Effect 3, that fact likely will not change.
 
2014-05-12 11:29:43 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Is this the thread where everyone bashes EA while simultaneously pre-ordering their next game?


My ban on EA titles remains firm.
 
2014-05-12 11:31:31 AM  

AntonChigger: DoBeDoBeDo: Is this the thread where everyone bashes EA while simultaneously pre-ordering their next game?

Nope. Haven't pre-ordered bought anything from ea in years.


FTFMe
 
2014-05-12 11:33:02 AM  
Spore was the last straw for me. It sucks, because there really are a couple of good looking titles under the EA name. (Mirror's Edge, Dead Space) I just can't give them my money. Not when they did that to Will Wright and THEN shiat all over SimCity.
 
2014-05-12 11:39:36 AM  

Dimensio: DoBeDoBeDo: Is this the thread where everyone bashes EA while simultaneously pre-ordering their next game?

I have not purchased an Electronic Arts game since Mass Effect 3. After observing how the poisonous influence of Electronic Arts adversely affected Mass Effect 3, that fact likely will not change.


I concur.  Haven't bought an  EA game since.
 
2014-05-12 11:41:59 AM  
To play the devil's advocate, it is Glu, the company which gives pay to win a bad name, which deserves the hate here since they are the ones shutting down the service. They bought GameSpy and are now shutting it down. 90% of the multiplayer games from the last decade are going to be affected, EA or oherwise.

Seriously, who buys a company just to shut them down?!

/
 
2014-05-12 11:43:50 AM  

viscountalpha: DoBeDoBeDo: Is this the thread where everyone bashes EA while simultaneously pre-ordering their next game?

My ban on EA titles remains firm.


I haven't bought any EA games since their response to my request for support was "Your video card is too new, buy a second hand one that is older, then your base will stop exploding five seconds after starting to play single player." I'm pretty sure it was Dune 2000, but it was quite awhile ago. Still have the box kicking around.
 
2014-05-12 11:44:22 AM  

Electrify: To play the devil's advocate, it is Glu, the company which gives pay to win a bad name, which deserves the hate here since they are the ones shutting down the service. They bought GameSpy and are now shutting it down. 90% of the multiplayer games from the last decade are going to be affected, EA or oherwise.

Seriously, who buys a company just to shut them down?!

/


i dunno, Eddie. Did his voice sound just.  like.  this?
 
2014-05-12 11:52:53 AM  
My Ea ban exists for one reason, I'm not installing Origin on my PC.  Fix that and i'll consider possibly playing an EA game that interests me if one ever does.  Uplay is bad enough but at least you can pretty much ignore it most of the time and it was kind of neat to get free stuff on my PC because of some games that I had on the 360.  Still Uplay sucks and origin is a no go.
 
2014-05-12 11:54:02 AM  

Practical_Draconian: DaStompa: Practical_Draconian:

Battlefield 2142 was freaking awesome too.

If there is any game that needs a remake in modern tech, it is 2142
Just cut down on the grenade spam >.>

A few suggestions:

More air vehicles, but make the engineers' AA rockets stronger (or give them an EMP or improved railgun alternative to countermeasures).

Either rule out the drone-surfing squad leader cheat or make it easier to kill him and his team spawning on a rooftop that's not supposed to be played on.

Less emphasis on the choke point in some maps. I think I saw the Russian side win about three times without the drone surfer cheat on the Fall of Berlin map in the years I played.


The AA missiles for Battlefield should have always been like the Desert Combat Stinger missiles.  Dumb firing with a proximity explosion radius.  Homing missiles just ruin the flying experience, even if you don't die on the first hit.
 
2014-05-12 11:57:31 AM  

BafflerMeal: I know it's old and not in the article, but man I loved BF1942.  I'm always a little sad over the direction those games took.


Ironically, EA just gave away free copies of BF1942 on Origin.  Now we know why.

The sad part is that they could use this as an opportunity to entice people over to Origin, by providing updates to the Origin versions of these games that retained multiplayer support using Origin servers.  But that would be NOT wasting an opportunity and giving people the impression that they actually care about gamers, which EA is fatally allergic to.

Also, way to drop support for games that aren't even 4 years old (Crysis 2).  I was going to mention Bulletstorm there,  but fortunately for PC users it turns out the only version affected is the PS3 version.  Not saying it sucks less for PS3 users, but I'll admit it's harder to patch a PS3 game to that degree.

Dimensio: DoBeDoBeDo: Is this the thread where everyone bashes EA while simultaneously pre-ordering their next game?

I have not purchased an Electronic Arts game since Mass Effect 3. After observing how the poisonous influence of Electronic Arts adversely affected Mass Effect 3, that fact likely will not change.


The only EA titles I've purchased in the last decade have come in bundles (Crysis, Dead Space, Bulletstorm, few others), were at a huge discount (Mass Effect 2), or I received for free (Battlefield 1942).  While I'm not outright boycotting EA save for specific games (new Sim City), I'm not paying them more than what I think their games are worth.  Thanks to the degree to which they fark up games, that's nowhere near full price.

Mentalpatient87: Spore was the last straw for me. It sucks, because there really are a couple of good looking titles under the EA name. (Mirror's Edge, Dead Space) I just can't give them my money. Not when they did that to Will Wright and THEN shiat all over SimCity.


Dead Space was available free on Origin recently, and may still be available.  Of course, you have to use Origin, but realistically the worst things you can say about Origin are "it doesn't have all the features Steam has" and "it's made by EA".  It's not inherently bad, which is surprising for an EA product.

That said, I do understand your stance.  Any time an EA product comes out I try to guess what part of it EA farked up horribly.  So far, there's always been one.  Sometimes it's been the whole game (Sim City).
 
2014-05-12 12:00:58 PM  

Practical_Draconian: Fano: Generals deserved a franchise.

Unfortunately the Kane fanbois were louder and EA responded with the futuristic settings of Command and Conquer 3, 4, etc. And they sucked something fierce.

Seriously, some people griped Generals wasn't a true part of the franchise because the construction and unit building bar was not on the side like previous C&C games.


that's a shame because I really enjoyed the colorful generals.

From granger and Townes, to shiatao, the nuke (generous, so generous) I still enjoy referencing them in fark threads.
 
2014-05-12 12:04:51 PM  

Jormungandr: viscountalpha: DoBeDoBeDo: Is this the thread where everyone bashes EA while simultaneously pre-ordering their next game?

My ban on EA titles remains firm.

I haven't bought any EA games since their response to my request for support was "Your video card is too new, buy a second hand one that is older, then your base will stop exploding five seconds after starting to play single player." I'm pretty sure it was Dune 2000, but it was quite awhile ago. Still have the box kicking around.


That is a huge problem with many old games.  There is a fan made patch for Quest for Glory 4 that fixes that issue, thankfully.  The problem stems from how games were coded back in the day.  Games were coded for specific processors, and the second factor was fixed.  As a result, each processor tic a certain amount of time passes.  If you had a faster or slower processor, time moved faster or slower.

If you take a game that was made for a 386 or 486, and put it on a i7, your going to have thousands of seconds per second.
 
2014-05-12 12:05:13 PM  

Fano: Electrify: To play the devil's advocate, it is Glu, the company which gives pay to win a bad name, which deserves the hate here since they are the ones shutting down the service. They bought GameSpy and are now shutting it down. 90% of the multiplayer games from the last decade are going to be affected, EA or oherwise.

Seriously, who buys a company just to shut them down?!

/

i dunno, Eddie. Did his voice sound just.  like.  this?


You forgot this:

www.eatgeekplay.com

Egoy3k: My Ea ban exists for one reason, I'm not installing Origin on my PC.  Fix that and i'll consider possibly playing an EA game that interests me if one ever does.  Uplay is bad enough but at least you can pretty much ignore it most of the time and it was kind of neat to get free stuff on my PC because of some games that I had on the 360.  Still Uplay sucks and origin is a no go.


While I'm hardly an EA fan, have you actually tried Origin?  It's a lot better than UPlay in terms of interfering with what you're doing.  Honestly, it reminds me of early versions of Steam: you barely see it when you're actually playing a game.  I'd actually prefer it to UPlay, though it's nowhere near as functional as Steam.
 
2014-05-12 12:05:41 PM  

Jormungandr: viscountalpha: DoBeDoBeDo: Is this the thread where everyone bashes EA while simultaneously pre-ordering their next game?

My ban on EA titles remains firm.

I haven't bought any EA games since their response to my request for support was "Your video card is too new, buy a second hand one that is older, then your base will stop exploding five seconds after starting to play single player." I'm pretty sure it was Dune 2000, but it was quite awhile ago. Still have the box kicking around.


way too much info on the issue:  http://gameprogrammingpatterns.com/game-loop.html
 
2014-05-12 12:08:54 PM  

yukichigai: Egoy3k: My Ea ban exists for one reason, I'm not installing Origin on my PC.  Fix that and i'll consider possibly playing an EA game that interests me if one ever does.  Uplay is bad enough but at least you can pretty much ignore it most of the time and it was kind of neat to get free stuff on my PC because of some games that I had on the 360.  Still Uplay sucks and origin is a no go.


While I'm hardly an EA fan, have you actually tried Origin?  It's a lot better than UPlay in terms of interfering with what you're doing.  Honestly, it reminds me of early versions of Steam: you barely see it when you're actually playing a game.  I'd actually prefer it to UPlay, though it's nowhere near as functional as Steam.


My issue with it is actually just the fact that it fragments the market unnecessarily.  I don't like monopolies but I also don't want to have a bunch of digital distribution software packages on my PC all of which are using greater or lesser amounts of DRM and leaving me with having to search between different software to find different games.
 
2014-05-12 12:09:21 PM  

Fano: Practical_Draconian: Fano: Generals deserved a franchise.

Unfortunately the Kane fanbois were louder and EA responded with the futuristic settings of Command and Conquer 3, 4, etc. And they sucked something fierce.

Seriously, some people griped Generals wasn't a true part of the franchise because the construction and unit building bar was not on the side like previous C&C games.

that's a shame because I really enjoyed the colorful generals.

From granger and Townes, to shiatao, the nuke (generous, so generous) I still enjoy referencing them in fark threads.


Years ago had a friend who owned cybercafe gaming site out in the desert. Generals was one of the big draws back then on LAN play, and he had the Deezire mod put in, which added a lot of stuff that was cut or unfinished from the original game.  The laser general for the US side was way overpowered, unless you were the GLA explosives general spawning suicide bombers all over the map to take out power facilities.
 
2014-05-12 12:10:53 PM  

Egoy3k: yukichigai: Egoy3k: My Ea ban exists for one reason, I'm not installing Origin on my PC.  Fix that and i'll consider possibly playing an EA game that interests me if one ever does.  Uplay is bad enough but at least you can pretty much ignore it most of the time and it was kind of neat to get free stuff on my PC because of some games that I had on the 360.  Still Uplay sucks and origin is a no go.


While I'm hardly an EA fan, have you actually tried Origin?  It's a lot better than UPlay in terms of interfering with what you're doing.  Honestly, it reminds me of early versions of Steam: you barely see it when you're actually playing a game.  I'd actually prefer it to UPlay, though it's nowhere near as functional as Steam.

My issue with it is actually just the fact that it fragments the market unnecessarily.  I don't like monopolies but I also don't want to have a bunch of digital distribution software packages on my PC all of which are using greater or lesser amounts of DRM and leaving me with having to search between different software to find different games.


It's what it is.  As long as I can digitally download my game and not have to worry about maintaining discs and product keys, I'm cool.  Yea, there are worries that a company may go under, but I'm not terribly concerned because at the time I'm buying my game the company is obviously healthy enough to continue operating for the life of the game.
 
2014-05-12 12:12:46 PM  
I never allowed Gamespy on my computers because it had a malware flavor.
 
2014-05-12 12:14:54 PM  

Shakin_Haitian: Dimensio: DoBeDoBeDo: Is this the thread where everyone bashes EA while simultaneously pre-ordering their next game?

I have not purchased an Electronic Arts game since Mass Effect 3. After observing how the poisonous influence of Electronic Arts adversely affected Mass Effect 3, that fact likely will not change.

I concur.  Haven't bought an  EA game since.


You  fail to realize that you are causing your own problem.  Through your bold action, you are reducing the money flow of said gaming company who then has to either devise newer methods of income (microtransactions) or remove non/lesser revenue generating services.

Pre-orders allow for further development of not only the game you are buying, but other games in their catalog.  As numbers are fluctuating more and more as gamer's take their stand and not purchase, the studio takes drastic measure.

In short, if you want to stuff, you gotta pony up.  It really is your own fault, you know.

Well, that and the torrent folk,
 
2014-05-12 12:18:21 PM  
I retired all the games I owned on the list a long time ago. I'm sure there are some die-hard fans of some of those old games that will be disappointed, but I'm just not one of them.
 
2014-05-12 12:18:32 PM  

Egoy3k: yukichigai: Egoy3k: My Ea ban exists for one reason, I'm not installing Origin on my PC.  Fix that and i'll consider possibly playing an EA game that interests me if one ever does.  Uplay is bad enough but at least you can pretty much ignore it most of the time and it was kind of neat to get free stuff on my PC because of some games that I had on the 360.  Still Uplay sucks and origin is a no go.


While I'm hardly an EA fan, have you actually tried Origin?  It's a lot better than UPlay in terms of interfering with what you're doing.  Honestly, it reminds me of early versions of Steam: you barely see it when you're actually playing a game.  I'd actually prefer it to UPlay, though it's nowhere near as functional as Steam.

My issue with it is actually just the fact that it fragments the market unnecessarily.  I don't like monopolies but I also don't want to have a bunch of digital distribution software packages on my PC all of which are using greater or lesser amounts of DRM and leaving me with having to search between different software to find different games.


I'll admit it's a silly idea on EA's part.  Few people are going to favor Origin over Steam when the service has no real advantages over it, and EA is not a company who is willing to make the types of changes necessary (multiplayer updates to old games, better in-game features like voice chat and nearby game matchmaking, better sales, sharing support) to provide a quantifiable advantage.  About the only thing that really motivates people to use Origin is that certain games only come on Origin.  Exclusivity might have been how Steam got its start with Half-Life 2, but there wasn't anything else like Steam out there at the time.  That was a one-time trick, and Valve already used it.

I have little doubt that eventually Origin is going to fail and collapse, or at the very least is going to turn into an "additional DRM layer" like GFWL was towards the end of its life.  Still, for now its directly tied to the health of EA as a whole, so it's not going to disappear anytime soon.  And while its up, it's not actually bad to use.  It's not amazing, but it's not bad.
 
2014-05-12 12:19:47 PM  
This makes me sad; I used to play BF1942:Desert Combat mod regularly for years (Allianceserver).

I installed Battlefront 2 a few weeks ago, and it crashed as soon as I tried to load a map. Didn't want to spend the time to fix it at the time.
 
2014-05-12 12:20:21 PM  

Fano: Generals deserved a franchise.


That game was great; real-world inspired units with a good dash of tongue-in-cheek humour. I wish there was a modern engine update; don't change the game, just make it SupCom zoomable with formation AI...

Oh, and way more stable.
 
2014-05-12 12:23:54 PM  
yukichigai:
While I'm hardly an EA fan, have you actually tried Origin?  It's a lot better than UPlay in terms of interfering with what you're doing.  Honestly, it reminds me of early versions of Steam: you barely see it when you're actually playing a game.  I'd actually prefer it to UPlay, though it's nowhere near as functional as Steam.

I've been using Uplay and Origin to run a total of 4 games: FarCry3 & Silent Hunter 5 and Mass Effect 3 & BF1942, respectively.  Origin has so far seemed to be the better and more functional service for not having log, slow updates and for offering a good classic game for free, that being BF1942, which I love dearly.
 
2014-05-12 12:25:19 PM  

K3rmy: Well, that and the torrent folk


I'm not convinced that the torrents are eating that much into profits and that game companies are just using that as an excuse sometimes. When games sell millions of copies and you get 25k people who snatch the game, it isn't affecting the bottom line as much as some people claim. In fact, it probably isn't affecting the bottom line much at all because most of those people who torrent the games weren't ever going to buy them in the first place. Making a copy of the game doesn't actually cost the companies anything either.

That doesn't mean I'm advocating torrenting games (because I'm not), I'm just saying that I think the claims of how much it is impacting profits for game companies is considerably less than is claimed.
 
2014-05-12 12:25:21 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Is this the thread where everyone bashes EA while simultaneously pre-ordering their next game?


ME3 was my last purchase from EA; I also avoid Blizzard (online SP? Wtf?), and Ubisoft like the plague.

Other studios have filled the niche quite nicely, although I miss Heroes Of Might and Magic. Won't be picking that up again until the IP is sold to someone else and/or Ubisoft gets glassed from high orbit.
 
2014-05-12 12:26:10 PM  

PanicMan: Man we used to play the shiat out of C&C.


Everybody dance now!
 
2014-05-12 12:26:11 PM  

K3rmy: You fail to realize that you are causing your own problem.


Ah, the "blame the victim" stance. Was wondering when someone with that talking point would show up.

That's right... the players, who have for years dealt with invasive DRM, intentionally broken games that can only be fixed with day-one DLC, mircotransactions in full-price games, horrible support, horrible handling of franchises and IPs, etc... they are the ones to blame, not the companies who do those things. The players, who are finally saying "fark your bullshiat, we're not spending any more money on your crap" are the ones to blame for the way EA runs themselves.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-05-12 12:28:47 PM  

RoxtarRyan: intentionally broken games that can only be fixed with day-one DLC


When did that ever happen?
 
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