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2014-05-12 06:49:01 AM  
.22 rimfire is for losers, and America has a surplus of those.
 
2014-05-12 06:50:25 AM  
mimg.ugo.com
 
2014-05-12 07:11:15 AM  
It's because the idiots still think Obama is going to take away their guns despite all evidence to the contrary.

I bet if we got open campaign financing we would see gun manufacturers giving huge donations to democrats. Their profits must go through the roof when a dem is elected.
 
2014-05-12 07:28:57 AM  
Free market has obviously decided they should be harder to find.
 
2014-05-12 07:33:13 AM  
The reason why .22 LR is hard to find is that it's simply the most popular caliber.  It's used both in rifles and in pistols of all types, and because it is inexpensive compared to other calibers, it's often used by shooters for training purposes.

Many people who don't have any other gun have a rifle or pistol in .22 LR.  It's kind of the 'default' gun.  If you go ask people what is the first gun they bought or received as a gift, it's a .22.

So there is a bigger base for all of that ammunition compared to any other caliber.

Now, people get nervous when you start proposing to encroach upon what they perceive to be their rights.  So they stock up when possible, and because .22 LR is cheap compared to other ammunition, and because perhaps more guns shoot it than any other single caliber, it's going to be purchased in greater amounts.

Ammunition manufacturers could, in theory, add more capacity and produce more .22 LR ammo, but they aren't stupid.  They know this is a temporary situation, and if they add more capacity, they will be stuck holding the bag (ie., loading machines, etc.) when the inevitable retail glut of .22 LR happens.  So they don't invest in long term assets to solve a short term shortage.

So be patient, ride it out, and eventually the .22 LR will come back on store shelves.
 
2014-05-12 07:36:56 AM  
I always wanted to load my own .22 shells.

I have a few creative ideas.
 
KIA
2014-05-12 07:38:44 AM  

EvilEgg: It's because the idiots still think Obama is going to take away their guns despite all evidence to the contrary.


Obama will be followed by Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren and then what?  Hillary has already come out and said she thinks we are enjoying "too much" freedom.
 
2014-05-12 07:39:31 AM  

EvilEgg: It's because the idiots still think Obama is going to take away their guns despite all evidence to the contrary.


I ROFL at the idea that the gunnies can have all the weapons they want, but finding ammo to use them in is so hard to find.
 
2014-05-12 07:40:11 AM  

dittybopper: So be patient, ride it out, and eventually the .22 LR will come back on store shelves.


I take it that it's not possible to order via the internet? There's a lot of things that aren't available via brick and mortal that you can get through ordering.

/doesn't own a weapon.
 
2014-05-12 07:41:04 AM  

itsdan: Free market has obviously decided they should be harder to find.


Ammo manufacturers just don't want to get stuck without a chair when the music stops.

They normally operate at a capacity that satisfies the average demand for ammunition.  They can add more capacity, but that requires capital investment in things like loading machines, and perhaps even more floor space in the factories.

They are reluctant to do that for increases in demand that they see as temporary and political in nature.

That's just good business sense.
 
2014-05-12 07:41:26 AM  

KIA: EvilEgg: It's because the idiots still think Obama is going to take away their guns despite all evidence to the contrary.

Obama will be followed by Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren and then what?  Hillary has already come out and said she thinks we are enjoying "too much" freedom.


Why is it Republicans must lie at all times? I mean, even when it's not necessary, they lie.
 
2014-05-12 07:42:34 AM  
Panic buying.  Dumb-butts have whipped themselves into a lather with "Err mah Gahd!  Obama gonna take mah guns and bullets!"  In the unlikely event the GOP retakes the Whitehouse in 2016, look for lots of gun nuts trying to unload the crates of ammo they have hoarded for eight years.

/The Chicago-Politician-in-Chief will talk a good fight on gun control for his supporters,  but won't do anything of substance to support the delusions of the Tea Party bigots.
 
2014-05-12 07:42:42 AM  
it also doesn't help that they are catching up on the backlog, have several large government orders, and .22 is probably the lowest priority for the manufacturers to produce.
 
2014-05-12 07:43:17 AM  

dittybopper: The reason why .22 LR is hard to find is that it's simply the most popular caliber.  It's used both in rifles and in pistols of all types, and because it is inexpensive compared to other calibers, it's often used by shooters for training purposes.

Many people who don't have any other gun have a rifle or pistol in .22 LR.  It's kind of the 'default' gun.  If you go ask people what is the first gun they bought or received as a gift, it's a .22.

So there is a bigger base for all of that ammunition compared to any other caliber.

Now, people get nervous when you start proposing to encroach upon what they perceive to be their rights.  So they stock up when possible, and because .22 LR is cheap compared to other ammunition, and because perhaps more guns shoot it than any other single caliber, it's going to be purchased in greater amounts.

Ammunition manufacturers could, in theory, add more capacity and produce more .22 LR ammo, but they aren't stupid.  They know this is a temporary situation, and if they add more capacity, they will be stuck holding the bag (ie., loading machines, etc.) when the inevitable retail glut of .22 LR happens.  So they don't invest in long term assets to solve a short term shortage.

So be patient, ride it out, and eventually the .22 LR will come back on store shelves.


That's just what Obama WANTS you to think...
 
KIA
2014-05-12 07:43:21 AM  

ghare: Why is it Republicans must lie at all times? I mean, even when it's not necessary, they lie.


http://www.talkradionews.com/elections/2014/05/06/clinton-gun-laws-n ee d-reformed.html#.U3CzsfldWEw
 
2014-05-12 07:43:25 AM  

dittybopper: The reason why .22 LR is hard to find is that it's simply the most popular caliber.  It's used both in rifles and in pistols of all types, and because it is inexpensive compared to other calibers, it's often used by shooters for training purposes.

Many people who don't have any other gun have a rifle or pistol in .22 LR.  It's kind of the 'default' gun.  If you go ask people what is the first gun they bought or received as a gift, it's a .22.


I don't own a gun and even I knew that.  Not sure why this question merits an entire article about it.
 
2014-05-12 07:45:00 AM  

KIA: ghare: Why is it Republicans must lie at all times? I mean, even when it's not necessary, they lie.

http://www.talkradionews.com/elections/2014/05/06/clinton-gun-laws-n ee d-reformed.html#.U3CzsfldWEw


See? There you go, lying again.
 
2014-05-12 07:45:41 AM  
dittybopper:   Now, people get nervous when you start proposing to encroach upon what they perceive to be their rights.

                                        sosomikeladze.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-05-12 07:46:59 AM  

EvilEgg: It's because the idiots still think Obama is going to take away their guns despite all evidence to the contrary.

I bet if we got open campaign financing we would see gun manufacturers giving huge donations to democrats. Their profits must go through the roof when a dem is elected.


A friend of mine owns a gun store and donated the personal maximum to Obama in 2012. He called it the best investment he could make in his store's success.
 
2014-05-12 07:46:59 AM  

KIA: ghare: Why is it Republicans must lie at all times? I mean, even when it's not necessary, they lie.

http://www.talkradionews.com/elections/2014/05/06/clinton-gun-laws-n ee d-reformed.html#.U3CzsfldWEw



But where did she say the "too much freedom" line that you claimed?
 
KIA
2014-05-12 07:47:02 AM  

blacksho89: KIA: ghare: Why is it Republicans must lie at all times? I mean, even when it's not necessary, they lie.

http://www.talkradionews.com/elections/2014/05/06/clinton-gun-laws-n ee d-reformed.html#.U3CzsfldWEw

See? There you go, lying again.


Yup.  And just because these things come in threes:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/hillary-clinton-gun-laws-are -w ay-out-of-balance-20140506
 
2014-05-12 07:47:14 AM  

dittybopper: So be patient, ride it out, and eventually the .22 LR will come back on store shelves.


January 20, 2017 is the day the shortage ends.
 
2014-05-12 07:47:36 AM  
dittybopper: The reason why .22 LR is hard to find is that it's simply the most popular caliber.  It's used both in rifles and in pistols of all types, and because it is inexpensive compared to other calibers, it's often used by shooters for training purposes.

Many people who don't have any other gun have a rifle or pistol in .22 LR.  It's kind of the 'default' gun.  If you go ask people what is the first gun they bought or received as a gift, it's a .22.

My first was an 870 - it was more versatile.  But I hear you.  I bought a .22 not long after, and a 500 box of cartridges, and they've sat for 15 years.  Imagine my surprise when the shooting world treats them like vicodin now.
 
2014-05-12 07:47:39 AM  

Shakespeare's Monkey: dittybopper: So be patient, ride it out, and eventually the .22 LR will come back on store shelves.

I take it that it's not possible to order via the internet? There's a lot of things that aren't available via brick and mortal that you can get through ordering.

/doesn't own a weapon.


Hard to find on line, too. You used to be able to walk into any place that sold guns and buy a 500 round brick for $10 to $20, and it was even cheaper on line. Now, my go-to ammo catalog place is sold out of half their stock, and they want 30 cents a round.

/Brick and Mortal would be a good band name
 
2014-05-12 07:47:52 AM  
It is one of my very favorite rounds.

It's always fun to take the target pistol to the range and shoot. Unlike a heavy round, it doesn't tire you out, and it's very inexpensive to shoot. There's little to not like about it... (Besides the lack of stopping power.)

pictures.mastermarf.com
 
2014-05-12 07:48:58 AM  

TV's Vinnie: EvilEgg: It's because the idiots still think Obama is going to take away their guns despite all evidence to the contrary.

I ROFL at the idea that the gunnies can have all the weapons they want, but finding ammo to use them in is so hard to find.


Actually, .22 LR is one of the very, very few calibers that it's hard for an individual to reload.

Any centerfire cartridge can be reloaded with something as prosaic as a $40 Lee Loader kit:

leeprecision.com

Because of the nature of .22 LR, with its one-piece case and the priming compound in the soft, hollow rim, you can't really reload them.

You can, however, use the used .22 LR brass to make jacketed bullets.
 
2014-05-12 07:50:32 AM  

Kit Fister: it also doesn't help that they are catching up on the backlog, have several large government orders, and .22 is probably the lowest priority for the manufacturers to produce.


There are no large government orders for .22, and you can't make rimfire ammo on the same machines that you make centerfire ammo. It's just all the idiots panic buying.
 
KIA
2014-05-12 07:50:42 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: January 20, 2017 is the day the shortage ends.


I wish I had your faith that someone who believed in traditional American freedoms would get elected.  Right now, there doesn't seem to be any serious contenders of that mindset.

There would also need to be majorities in the House and Senate at the same time and this is highly unlikely unless everyone gets their friends motivated to go out and actually vote.
 
2014-05-12 07:53:06 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: dittybopper:   Now, people get nervous when you start proposing to encroach upon what they perceive to be their rights.

                                        [sosomikeladze.files.wordpress.com image 300x300]


http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-wha t- he-imagines-c,2849/
 
2014-05-12 07:53:44 AM  

ghare: KIA: EvilEgg: It's because the idiots still think Obama is going to take away their guns despite all evidence to the contrary.

Obama will be followed by Hillary Clinton or Elizabeth Warren and then what?  Hillary has already come out and said she thinks we are enjoying "too much" freedom.

Why is it Republicans must lie at all times? I mean, even when it's not necessary, they lie.


Because the truth burnses them. It burnses them!
 
2014-05-12 07:53:45 AM  

KIA: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: January 20, 2017 is the day the shortage ends.

I wish I had your faith that someone who believed in traditional American freedoms would get elected.  Right now, there doesn't seem to be any serious contenders of that mindset.

There would also need to be majorities in the House and Senate at the same time and this is highly unlikely unless everyone gets their friends motivated to go out and actually vote.


http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-wha t- he-imagines-c,2849/
 
2014-05-12 07:54:12 AM  

walkerhound: My first was an 870 - it was more versatile.  But I hear you.  I bought a .22 not long after, and a 500 box of cartridges, and they've sat for 15 years.


Late bloomer, huh?

My first gun was a flintlock long rifle:

img.fark.net
 
2014-05-12 07:57:28 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: dittybopper: So be patient, ride it out, and eventually the .22 LR will come back on store shelves.

January 20, 2017 is the day the shortage ends.


Probably sooner.

Lame duckness, and all that, combined with the fact that there is very little the president can actually do without Congressional approval, and even executive orders can be stymied by Congress refusing to provide the funds necessary to implement them.
 
2014-05-12 07:58:49 AM  
I stocked up as I could in 2012 planning on Obama's reelection causing another panic. Didn't happen - but then Sandy Hook did.

Have been doing my normal amount of shooting for the most part, but am holding the last 2 bulk boxes I have for when my 22 conversion for a FAL comes in (hopefully next month or so).

Feel really sorry for those in Alaska and Hawaii though - ammo can only be shipped ground (or boat).  Which means they have to wait a really long time and pay even more...
 
2014-05-12 07:59:10 AM  
It's because really old people, many of whom don't even own firearms, are convinced Obama is going to outlaw guns.  At which point they think they will be able to turn around and sell the thousands of boxes of .22 ammunition they purchased at extreme profit, on the black market.  They buy .22s because this is the cheapest ammunition they can purchase at Wal Mart, or their other favorite mega-box store of choice.  They don't realize ammunition has a limited shelf life, its value goes down as it ages, and that they just blew a ton of money that they and their family will never get back.
 
2014-05-12 08:00:28 AM  

KIA: blacksho89: KIA: ghare: Why is it Republicans must lie at all times? I mean, even when it's not necessary, they lie.

http://www.talkradionews.com/elections/2014/05/06/clinton-gun-laws-n ee d-reformed.html#.U3CzsfldWEw

See? There you go, lying again.

Yup.  And just because these things come in threes:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/hillary-clinton-gun-laws-are -w ay-out-of-balance-20140506


"There's no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons."

Which commie pinko gun-grabber spouted that bullshiat? Oh yeah - it was Ronald Reagan.
 
2014-05-12 08:00:32 AM  

dittybopper: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: dittybopper: So be patient, ride it out, and eventually the .22 LR will come back on store shelves.

January 20, 2017 is the day the shortage ends.

Probably sooner.

Lame duckness, and all that, combined with the fact that there is very little the president can actually do without Congressional approval, and even executive orders can be stymied by Congress refusing to provide the funds necessary to implement them.


There is NOTHING the president can do to curtail gun and ammunition sales. Not a damn thing. Nor does he have anything in mind. Same goes for Hillary; she can't, and Congress won't, do anything to increase gun control laws. Farking idiots, STOP BUYING UP ALL THE AMMO AND HOARDING IT. I want to take my friend's kids to the range, and it's not affordable any more, because of stupid people.
 
2014-05-12 08:00:39 AM  

KIA: I wish I had your faith that someone who believed in traditional American freedoms would get elected.


Dare I even ask what you mean by "traditional American freedoms"...?
 
2014-05-12 08:03:02 AM  

dittybopper: itsdan: Free market has obviously decided they should be harder to find.

Ammo manufacturers just don't want to get stuck without a chair when the music stops.

They normally operate at a capacity that satisfies the average demand for ammunition.  They can add more capacity, but that requires capital investment in things like loading machines, and perhaps even more floor space in the factories.

They are reluctant to do that for increases in demand that they see as temporary and political in nature.

That's just good business sense.


So they're wisely gouging paranoid idiots while the gouging is good.
 
2014-05-12 08:03:12 AM  

LazyMedia: There are no large government orders for .22, and you can't make rimfire ammo on the same machines that you make centerfire ammo. It's just all the idiots panic buying.


right, that I know. However, think upstream. You can make .22 Caliber bullets, or .40. You can make .22 brass, or .40. You can make primers for standard pistols, or make rimfire materials.

Point is, until they catch up on the materials for primary calibers, they're not likely to make stuff for .22.
 
KIA
2014-05-12 08:04:09 AM  

LazyMedia: KIA: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: January 20, 2017 is the day the shortage ends.

I wish I had your faith that someone who believed in traditional American freedoms would get elected.  Right now, there doesn't seem to be any serious contenders of that mindset.

There would also need to be majorities in the House and Senate at the same time and this is highly unlikely unless everyone gets their friends motivated to go out and actually vote.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-man-passionate-defender-of-wha t- he-imagines-c,2849/


Interesting.  Relevant?  Doubtful.  Didn't read anything in there about arms and we're not talking about religion or immigration.

And yes, I have read the Magna Carta, Blackstone's On Law, John Locke, Edward Coke, the Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and a whole slew of literature relating to all of the foregoing.  The Constitution would not have been ratified without the Bill of Rights since Massachusetts, Virginia and New York flat-out refused to sign on without an express protection of the rights of individuals.  That promise alone was what brought them into the fold and permitted the ratification of the Constitution itself.

So... when you talk about abrogating a right which was expressly promised in order to achieve the ratification of the Constitution, it's kind of a big deal.
 
2014-05-12 08:06:34 AM  

Kit Fister: LazyMedia: There are no large government orders for .22, and you can't make rimfire ammo on the same machines that you make centerfire ammo. It's just all the idiots panic buying.

right, that I know. However, think upstream. You can make .22 Caliber bullets, or .40. You can make .22 brass, or .40. You can make primers for standard pistols, or make rimfire materials.

Point is, until they catch up on the materials for primary calibers, they're not likely to make stuff for .22.


OK, but it still has nothing to do with government orders, because government orders have been declining for the past three years, according to TFA. Other than in the fevered imaginations of Glenn Beck listeners. I would think they'd be making .22 rimfire as a priority, since the profitability has to be through the roof. Prices have multiplied about ten-fold.
 
2014-05-12 08:06:47 AM  

EvilEgg: It's because the idiots still think Obama is going to take away their guns despite all evidence to the contrary.

I bet if we got open campaign financing we would see gun manufacturers giving huge donations to democrats. Their profits must go through the roof when a dem is elected.


What evidence to the contrary? You mean the massive push for gun registration, checks, and changes to outlaw more and more weapons? The actual beginning of confiscation and grandfathered felony crime laws in CT and NY? Surgeon General pick that considers guns a "health crisis"?That evidence? I mean, we have what, 40,000 new felons in CT from Democrats making crap up? NJ, NY, where does it end?

But ya, all just make believe.
 
2014-05-12 08:07:04 AM  
Study. It. Out. A secretly Fartbongoed Muslin Atheist Order forced all manufacturers to make only .22 and ship every round to the soon-to-open FEMA Gay Marriage Camps because the already-on-"American"-soil United Nations Security Force charged with indoctrinating everyone who's ever listened to a Toby Keith song can't handle the recoil of anything heavier. You can see for yourself -- just follow the "AF" Tacmars (for "Arugula Field," of course) or the fresh baguette trucks.
 
2014-05-12 08:07:33 AM  

i.r.id10t: Feel really sorry for those in Alaska and Hawaii though - ammo can only be shipped ground (or boat).  Which means they have to wait a really long time and pay even more...


...but they're angry now!!!!!!
 
2014-05-12 08:07:35 AM  

dittybopper: The reason why .22 LR is hard to find is that it's simply the most popular caliber.  It's used both in rifles and in pistols of all types, and because it is inexpensive compared to other calibers, it's often used by shooters for training purposes.

Many people who don't have any other gun have a rifle or pistol in .22 LR.  It's kind of the 'default' gun.  If you go ask people what is the first gun they bought or received as a gift, it's a .22.

So there is a bigger base for all of that ammunition compared to any other caliber.

Now, people get nervous when you start proposing to encroach upon what they perceive to be their rights.  So they stock up when possible, and because .22 LR is cheap compared to other ammunition, and because perhaps more guns shoot it than any other single caliber, it's going to be purchased in greater amounts.

Ammunition manufacturers could, in theory, add more capacity and produce more .22 LR ammo, but they aren't stupid.  They know this is a temporary situation, and if they add more capacity, they will be stuck holding the bag (ie., loading machines, etc.) when the inevitable retail glut of .22 LR happens.  So they don't invest in long term assets to solve a short term shortage.

So be patient, ride it out, and eventually the .22 LR will come back on store shelves.


This is no time to be rational!!!
 
2014-05-12 08:07:47 AM  
The sad thing about the ammo hoarders is, the only difference between paranoia and preparation is jack booted thugs.

No administration will ever take the guns away. Not as long as tobacco is still legal. If they ever decide to ban that, then it might be time to worry. But I feel they would just move on to sugar or transfat then. Every politician knows that in the caricature of an American will always have a side arm.

The politics has nothing to do with what is right, as much as just disagreeing with the other guy.
 
2014-05-12 08:10:29 AM  

Thunderpipes: EvilEgg: It's because the idiots still think Obama is going to take away their guns despite all evidence to the contrary.

I bet if we got open campaign financing we would see gun manufacturers giving huge donations to democrats. Their profits must go through the roof when a dem is elected.

What evidence to the contrary? You mean the massive push for gun registration, checks, and changes to outlaw more and more weapons? The actual beginning of confiscation and grandfathered felony crime laws in CT and NY? Surgeon General pick that considers guns a "health crisis"?That evidence? I mean, we have what, 40,000 new felons in CT from Democrats making crap up? NJ, NY, where does it end?


Hopefully with all of you getting the mental health help you desperately need.
 
2014-05-12 08:10:57 AM  

dittybopper: The reason why .22 LR is hard to find is that it's simply the most popular caliber.  It's used both in rifles and in pistols of all types, and because it is inexpensive compared to other calibers, it's often used by shooters for training purposes.

Many people who don't have any other gun have a rifle or pistol in .22 LR.  It's kind of the 'default' gun.  If you go ask people what is the first gun they bought or received as a gift, it's a .22.

So there is a bigger base for all of that ammunition compared to any other caliber.

Now, people get nervous when you start proposing to encroach upon what they perceive to be their rights.  So they stock up when possible, and because .22 LR is cheap compared to other ammunition, and because perhaps more guns shoot it than any other single caliber, it's going to be purchased in greater amounts.

Ammunition manufacturers could, in theory, add more capacity and produce more .22 LR ammo, but they aren't stupid.  They know this is a temporary situation, and if they add more capacity, they will be stuck holding the bag (ie., loading machines, etc.) when the inevitable retail glut of .22 LR happens.  So they don't invest in long term assets to solve a short term shortage.

So be patient, ride it out, and eventually the .22 LR will come back on store shelves.


I seriously wonder. NJ (think it was NJ) just made my old, old Mossberg tube fed .22 an assault rifle because it can hold more than 10 rounds internally. So the gun I learned to shoot with as an 8 year old is a murder assault rifle. Only goes downhill from here. Pretty soon .22 will be considered murder ammo as well as .223 and .308 and everything else. This is what libs don't understand or intentionally fail to see. The slow erosion that will lead to confiscation and removal outright of the 2nd, and then the 4th amendment.
 
2014-05-12 08:11:01 AM  

KIA: blacksho89: KIA: ghare: Why is it Republicans must lie at all times? I mean, even when it's not necessary, they lie.

http://www.talkradionews.com/elections/2014/05/06/clinton-gun-laws-n ee d-reformed.html#.U3CzsfldWEw

See? There you go, lying again.

Yup.  And just because these things come in threes:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/hillary-clinton-gun-laws-are -w ay-out-of-balance-20140506

From the article you linked to (which is the same as the first one you linked to): While Clinton said she supports Second Amendment rights, she added that there needs to be a proper trade-off between safety and freedom, and that things have swung too far toward the latter. "I think again we're way out of balance. We've got to rein in what has become almost an article of faith that almost anybody can have a gun anywhere at any time. And I don't believe that is in the best interest of the vast majority of people," she said.


As a gun owner myself, I'm curious what you find objectionable about her perfectly true statement that gun ownership needs to be balanced with public safety.
 
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