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(Mediaite)   Because smoke don't leave bloody handprints: Journalist Eleanor Clift insists Ambassador Stevens wasn't murdered in Benghazi but rather perished from smoke inhalation   ( mediaite.com) divider line
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2014-05-12 02:50:50 AM  
I prefer casualty of war.
 
2014-05-12 08:17:17 AM  
This will surely come up during the trial.
 
2014-05-12 08:20:13 AM  
Isn't it the consensus among non-derpers that he got separated and died of smoke inhalation?
 
2014-05-12 08:21:21 AM  
If someone deliberately sets fire to the building you are in, and you die of smoke inhalation, then it was murder.
 
2014-05-12 08:21:25 AM  
What a scandalous claim.
 
2014-05-12 08:24:38 AM  

give me doughnuts: If someone deliberately sets fire to the building you are in, and you die of smoke inhalation, then it was murder.


I dunno, unless you set the building on fire with the specific intention of killing, then it's probably some sort of manslaughter or negligent homicide.
 
2014-05-12 08:24:40 AM  

syrynxx: What a scandalous claim.


This will be Hillary's Affordable Care Act. You watch and see.
 
2014-05-12 08:25:38 AM  
This is important. This means something.
 
2014-05-12 08:26:56 AM  
Eleanor, Eleanor, gee I think you're swelleanor.
 
2014-05-12 08:27:49 AM  
Look, Hillary Clinton shot Vince Foster (I have a friend who believes that), then not having satisfied her blood lust in decades, took a stealth fighter to Benghazi and shot Stevens, et al.

It's the only thing that makes sense.

/Whaaaaarrrrrggggrrrrbbbbllllll
 
2014-05-12 08:28:06 AM  
Was the smoke blown from the rectal of the author?
 
2014-05-12 08:30:44 AM  
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
no 1 curr
 
2014-05-12 08:31:01 AM  
I thought it was his own dam fault for getting killed?  So yea this goes along with the libs narrative.

his own fault, the smoke's fault, something about a video...
 
2014-05-12 08:32:00 AM  
Wait, John Mclaughlin is still alive? Geez, I thought he'd been dirt-napping for several years now.
 
2014-05-12 08:32:43 AM  

incendi: give me doughnuts: If someone deliberately sets fire to the building you are in, and you die of smoke inhalation, then it was murder.

I dunno, unless you set the building on fire with the specific intention of killing, then it's probably some sort of manslaughter or negligent homicide.


Well, I don't think they were trying to commit insurance fraud.
 
2014-05-12 08:34:25 AM  

Mentat: Isn't it the consensus among non-derpers that he got separated and died of smoke inhalation?


Part of what needs to be clarified.
Ideally an investigation will get into the "what happened" (who was where, how did they die, who killed them) and "why did this happen" (why wasn't there a backup plan? why couldn't the military respond to a known warzone? why wasn't anyone hunted down in the aftermath?) rather than a blame game of trying to point at everyones faults.
We need to divine how future incidents can be prevented and see how we go about seeking justice for the families. That would be the only positive outcome of going over this incident  again.

/What will actually happen is accusations against the administration and grand standing in its defense.
/Politicians aren't particularly interested in seeking truth or clarifying anything.
/Its proven to be the wrong place and the wrong method for investigating Benghazi, so I don't expect much to come of another review.
 
2014-05-12 08:34:29 AM  
Didn't everyone NOT trying to make Benghazi a scandal know this for 2 years already?
 
2014-05-12 08:35:10 AM  
These anti-smoking zealots are really starting to get unhinged.
 
2014-05-12 08:35:11 AM  

Arkanaut: Well, I don't think they were trying to commit insurance fraud.


You never know. Anybody check to see if Issa had an insurance policy on the consulate building? Maybe there's a scandal here after all...
 
2014-05-12 08:37:17 AM  
We have 2 1/2 more years of this, people. Every time anyone anywhere says anything about Benghazi that isn't perfectly aligned with the wingnut talking points, it'll be proclaimed the scandal du jour and we'll be expected to respond with outrage. For the next 2 1/2 years.
 
2014-05-12 08:37:57 AM  

incendi: give me doughnuts: If someone deliberately sets fire to the building you are in, and you die of smoke inhalation, then it was murder.

I dunno, unless you set the building on fire with the specific intention of killing, then it's probably some sort of manslaughter or negligent homicide.


Felony murder, and first-degree arson if you intentionally set fire to a building you know to be inhabited.
Or, if you are in a jurisdiction that has eliminated the felony-murder rule, then manslaughter with depraved or wanton indifference.

Class-A felonies; 20+ for each count.
 
2014-05-12 08:39:09 AM  

give me doughnuts: If someone deliberately sets fire to the building you are in, and you die of smoke inhalation, then it was murder.


Probably second or third degree murder, maybe manslaughter if you have a good lawyer.  But you are technically correct.

//The best kind of correct.
 
2014-05-12 08:39:27 AM  

Notabunny: For the next 2 1/2 years.


10.5 years, if Hillary is elected twice. I look forward to seeing what depths of neurosis the Republican party plumbs if she starts running for reals.
 
2014-05-12 08:40:58 AM  

incendi: Notabunny: For the next 2 1/2 years.

10.5 years, if Hillary is elected twice. I look forward to seeing what depths of neurosis the Republican party plumbs if she starts running for reals.


Either they will start to bleed from their eyes, or WE will..
 
2014-05-12 08:41:19 AM  

incendi: give me doughnuts: If someone deliberately sets fire to the building you are in, and you die of smoke inhalation, then it was murder.

I dunno, unless you set the building on fire with the specific intention of killing, then it's probably some sort of manslaughter or negligent homicide.


The last I heard from the sane folks was that he ran back into the building to try to get more people out. Realistically, he probably ran back in to make sure documents were being destroyed, but nobody wants to say that about a dead man.
 
2014-05-12 08:42:21 AM  

give me doughnuts: Felony murder, and first-degree arson if you intentionally set fire to a building you know to be inhabited.
Or, if you are in a jurisdiction that has eliminated the felony-murder rule, then manslaughter with depraved or wanton indifference.

Class-A felonies; 20+ for each count.


Point conceded, however, I have now decided, with as much evidence to support my claims as the Tea Partiers have for theirs, that the consulate was burned down on the orders of Darrell Issa for the purpose of insurance fraud, and all these committees are just a cover-up for the real scandal.
 
2014-05-12 08:42:29 AM  

incendi: Arkanaut: Well, I don't think they were trying to commit insurance fraud.

You never know. Anybody check to see if Issa had an insurance policy on the consulate building? Maybe there's a scandal here after all...


Given your handle, I'll assume you're the expert.
 
2014-05-12 08:44:55 AM  

Nemosomen: . Realistically, he probably ran back in to make sure documents were being destroyed, but nobody wants to say that about a dead man.


Every program I've been read into has maintained that in crisis situations, saving your life absolutely comes before destroying classified material... but I haven't been involved in any crazy CIA black ops type business either, so I suppose that's possible.
 
2014-05-12 08:47:39 AM  
And beans don't burn on the grill.
 
2014-05-12 08:48:35 AM  

ColTomParker: Wait, John Mclaughlin is still alive? Geez, I thought he'd been dirt-napping for several years now.


Nothing he's done has been listenable since Mahavishnu Orchestra.
 
2014-05-12 08:48:47 AM  

incendi: give me doughnuts: Felony murder, and first-degree arson if you intentionally set fire to a building you know to be inhabited.
Or, if you are in a jurisdiction that has eliminated the felony-murder rule, then manslaughter with depraved or wanton indifference.

Class-A felonies; 20+ for each count.

Point conceded, however, I have now decided, with as much evidence to support my claims as the Tea Partiers have for theirs, that the consulate was burned down on the orders of Darrell Issa for the purpose of insurance fraud, and all these committees are just a cover-up for the real scandal.


You've got at least as much evidence for that as the GOPers have for any of their claims, possibly more.
 
2014-05-12 08:53:55 AM  

poot_rootbeer: ColTomParker: Wait, John Mclaughlin is still alive? Geez, I thought he'd been dirt-napping for several years now.

Nothing he's done has been listenable since Mahavishnu Orchestra.


The session work he did with Jean-Luc Ponty is quite listenable.
 
2014-05-12 08:54:06 AM  
Maybe he wan't shot but he was murdered.
 
2014-05-12 08:55:24 AM  

Nemosomen: The last I heard from the sane folks was that he ran back into the building to try to get more people out. Realistically, he probably ran back in to make sure documents were being destroyed, but nobody wants to say that about a dead man.


This is most likely.  He and the Sean Smith were found in the safe room, which had not been breached by the attackers, but had been filled with smoke from burning fires outside the room.  Smith was a computer tech Information Management Officer.  There was a third person in the room, Special Agent Strickland who was able to escape the smoke-filled room, but who was not followed by Smith and Stevens, either because they couldn't, because of the smoke, or because they were still trying to sanitize the room. If the safe room had some sort of breathing apparatus, like firefighters use, they probably would have lived.
 
d23 [BareFark]
2014-05-12 08:59:54 AM  
Maybe the GOP needs to stop masturbating to this shiat and find a real girlfriend...
 
2014-05-12 09:05:52 AM  
why is  The McLaughlin Group  still on the air?
 
2014-05-12 09:08:58 AM  
Danger Mouse:


 I thought it was his own dam fault for getting killed? So yea this goes along with the libs narrative.


By "his own damn fault" do you mean the true assertion that he bravely declined security for the sake of better connecting with the Libyan people? I don't think anyone says Stevens is actually responsible for his own death, it was obviously the terrorists.

Are you saying that Stevens never declined security, or that whether he did is irrelevant because the State Department should have insisted?

Conservatives have a weird understanding of how "blame" works in the public mind. Like, if the attackers were protesters upset over a video which had been known about for a week, this somehow makes Obama look better than if the attackers had secretly planned the attack and had never heard of a video. (And that's why Obama spun a "We're still investigating" narrative when in fact he knew that the events were still under investigation.)
 
2014-05-12 09:09:05 AM  
The most interesting thing I've learned from this whole thing, is that the people they called for help, knew when the siege is going to end, when they were going to die, and therefore knew they didn't have time to save them.
 
2014-05-12 09:11:40 AM  
No, what really happened was this:

Scene: Gun battle, Islamic militants closing in on inner offices. Ambassador Stevens makes one last video phone call...to Obama

Stevens: But Mr. President, the situation is desperate, where are the nearest troops.

Obama: At the ready, very close, locked and loaded.

Stevens: Well, then send them in!

(Militants break in)

Obama: Well, you see, there's one problem...THESE are the troops.

(Steven's face turns to ash. His heart racing and sweat pouring out as he tries to process what just happened. The totality of the conspiracy dawn on him. The Republicans were right...HE was the mole. This man. "The One" that so many blindly supported like stupid sheep. This was the face of evil.)

Obama: Good to see you, gentlemen. May God bless your success and good fortune. I think you can take it from here.

Militants: ALLAHU ACKBAR!!

Obama: ALLAHU ACKBAR!!

(Scene fades to black with the sound of gunfire, cue dramatic music hit)
 
2014-05-12 09:13:09 AM  
She would have been better served by saying those Americans were not the target as much as the US installation but she has a point in that Patraeus is a more legitimate subject for interrogation than Hillary.
 
2014-05-12 09:13:14 AM  

PC LOAD LETTER: No, what really happened was this:


Careful!  Someone's going to Fwd:Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: Fwd:  that..
 
2014-05-12 09:13:24 AM  
 
MFK
2014-05-12 09:14:22 AM  
^^^

It's... beautiful
 
MFK
2014-05-12 09:16:20 AM  
dammit. I thought i was quoting PC LOAD LETTER, not this idiot s2s2s2.
 
2014-05-12 09:17:45 AM  

MFK: dammit. I thought i was quoting PC LOAD LETTER, not this idiot s2s2s2.


I really feel for you.
 
MFK
2014-05-12 09:20:14 AM  

s2s2s2: MFK: dammit. I thought i was quoting PC LOAD LETTER, not this idiot s2s2s2.

I really feel for you.


don't you have a domesticated barnyard fowl to continue servicing?
 
2014-05-12 09:23:13 AM  

MFK: don't you have a domesticated barnyard fowl to continue servicing?


I get ya. When Issa was up there running his taint, I was like "What is this retardedness?!" But my general distrust for the MIC tells me that there is something up with Benghazi, I just don't think it has shiat to do with decisions made(directly) by the executive branch.
 
2014-05-12 09:24:56 AM  
Some are saying that Issa had a lot to gain insurance-wise from the burning of the consulate. Why aren't we investigating the possibility that Benghazi occurred because of insurance fraud? Don't expect the lamestream conservative media in this country to ever get to the bottom of the REAL story though.
 
2014-05-12 09:31:13 AM  

DeltaPunch: Some are saying that Issa had a lot to gain insurance-wise from the burning of the consulate. Why aren't we investigating the possibility that Benghazi occurred because of insurance fraud? Don't expect the lamestream conservative media in this country to ever get to the bottom of the REAL story though.


Wanted for questioning:
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2014-05-12 09:32:40 AM  
www.nowtheendbegins.com
 
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