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(NPR)   That beloved song played by ice cream trucks? Yeah, it's racist   (npr.org) divider line 46
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2014-05-11 11:52:00 PM  
18 votes:
OK, so because some racist asswipe took "Turkey In The Straw" and wrote offensive lyrics for it, that's what all the ice cream trucks are playing?

I think I may possibly need a bit more evidence.  Like if the first ice cream trucks to play the song played it with the "N*gger Love a Watermelon" lyrics included, and if someone posts a video of that.  Then I'll buy the concept.  Otherwise, it's "Turkey in the Straw".  Which is weird-ass enough for an ice cream truck.
2014-05-12 03:56:46 AM  
8 votes:
Turkey in the Straw is Public Domain.  *THATS* why it's the "ice cream truck song" Period. End of story.  If trucks had to pay royalties, they'd be broke.
2014-05-12 03:32:59 AM  
4 votes:
If you know it as "the ice cream truck song" and not "that racist version of turkey in the straw", you're not really perpetuating racism then are you?  You are responding to conditioning that makes you dash for your wallet and out to the street and there's nothing racist about green money.  Unless you're a frog offended at that association.  Or a pig, desperately in love with a frog who might be offended.  Though I always felt Ms. Piggy was a bit of a gold digger anyway.
2014-05-12 03:27:59 AM  
4 votes:
Yeah I'm pretty sure everyone knows it as Turkey in the Straw.
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2014-05-12 04:06:20 AM  
3 votes:
The lyrics were written to an existing tune. This racist version was released by Columbia Records which is owned by Sony. Sister companies include Arista, RCA, BMG, Epic, CBS, etc. I would suggest the author of the article dropping his grievance because it is beyond ridiculous now.
2014-05-12 03:36:44 AM  
3 votes:
I'm pretty sure that melody has existed longer than those lyrics, but even if he's right and it's not:

If everyone forgot that the song is racist, to the point that nobody is offended by it, what purpose does it serve to dredge up the old lyrics? Yay, now a cute little melody is ruined and people that were previously not offended are.

"There is simply no divorcing the song from the dozens of decades it was almost exclusively used for coming up with new ways to ridicule, and profit from, black people."? Well, either the article is redundant trash telling people what they already knew, or that assertion is false because people didn't know about those decades.
2014-05-12 12:49:52 AM  
3 votes:
Well, thanks research guy. I never considered 'Turkey In the Straw' racist and hateful until now. Next time I have a rocky road double scoop, I'll call the NAACP first to ask if it's ok.
2014-05-12 03:01:29 PM  
2 votes:

DarkVader: So now we know.


And should we not also know the history that so many are desperately trying to forget? That was the point of the article and it's research.
The roots of this issue run deep withing this nation's history and psyche, and has never been resolved because too many of those who actually did some this dirt would rather not have their skeletons shown the light of day.
History can teach us why a society is great, but it can also teach us why that same society should be humble. Welcome to humility.
2014-05-12 12:03:16 PM  
2 votes:

rewind2846: This thread is a classic and concrete example of why race relations are still so farked up in this country.
It's not just that racism still exists here, although less than in the past, it's that the larger (white) community
refuses to acknowledge it's presence. The first step toward fixing the present is to find out why it's broken,
and that reason is always in the past.

Most white people aren't racist, yet still shake their heads in disbelief when racism is pointed out to them.
The only reason I can think of for that is that the people who perpetrate this foulness are, shall we say, "too close to home"...
the thought of someone who is so much like themselves in appearance and social standing having such views
elicits a protective response, manifesting in denial. In the back of their minds the thought "If they are like that... could I be like that?"
floats unbidden, forming a wall between reality and their psyches.

tl;dr - Racist sh*t happened in the past. Racist sh*t is happening now. Knowledge is the key to fighting it. Don't dismiss what people are trying to tell you.


On the off chance you're not trolling...

Yeah, racist shiat happened in the past, is happening now, and will unfortunately keep happening in the future.  It would be great if it would all stop, and I'm all about trying to stop it.

But the wordless tune played by ice cream trucks isn't racism.  Plenty of the teabaggers are racists.  The Republican party has quite a few racists.  Racism in hiring is still a huge problem in this country.  The police in this country may be more racist now than any time since the '60s.  I've encountered it in my personal life, and I've told friends to knock it the fark off.  Racism is real, it's serious, and it's wrong.

But looking for racism where it doesn't exist is stupid and counterproductive.  What do you suppose the chances are that anyone hearing it now thinks of "Zip Coon"?  I'd say it's damn near nil.  I'd never heard of it before today, and I've probably heard that tune thousands of times.  And the origin of the tune is older than this country, and isn't related to racism at all.

So now we know.  The tune was once entangled with racism.  But that time is over, the entanglement is gone, time and other uses of the tune have erased it from our collective memory, and now it's just a somewhat annoying tune played by ice cream trucks, and that some of us actually associate more with the Apple II than anything else.

In short...

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2014-05-12 08:49:30 AM  
2 votes:

ILoveBurritos: Huh, the I've creams trucks around here played "The Entertainer"


Most trucks around here play that too. But when I was growing up they used to play the Turkey in the Straw song. One summer they quit and most trucks play some other nameless tune.

Dear White People,

I know you all think that anyone who brings up the racist history behind a lot of things is overstating things greatly. However I think any reasonable human being would also give credence to the converse: That maybe white people understate racism and the impact that history has on the present.

You think you're walking around as a white person, an individual - with no connection to a past that has anything to do with racist thought or behavior. Yet, if many of you examine your lives, and you're honest, you will find that your interactions with people of color are superficial at best. Even more, you would complete eschew any contact with people of color if you could.

I also think white people underestimate how much hurt these things cause black people. Even the most enlightened white people remain brutally and callously uncaring about the every day hurt black people feel when they encounter racist and discriminatory behavior from white people.

It's as if the entire country hung out a Welcome to Fark sign back in the 1700's. This country was built on the lie and the evil that only the thoughts, feelings and lives of white people matter.

That is truly, insidiously evil, especially in the way it works it's way down to even something that should be as benign as buying ice cream.
2014-05-12 05:18:00 AM  
2 votes:
images.sodahead.com
Skr
2014-05-12 03:35:45 AM  
2 votes:

lewismarktwo: Enni Minni Miney Moe...


catch a 'tiger' by the toe
2014-05-12 03:31:36 AM  
2 votes:
Local ice cream trucks around here play Pop Goes the Weasel a lot. (Damn racist monkey.)
2014-05-12 03:30:47 AM  
2 votes:
I dunno...if the fact that 99% of the oppressors don't realize its a racist song...does it really matter?
2014-05-12 12:02:23 AM  
2 votes:

dahmers love zombie: OK, so because some racist asswipe took "Turkey In The Straw" and wrote offensive lyrics for it, that's what all the ice cream trucks are playing?

I think I may possibly need a bit more evidence.  Like if the first ice cream trucks to play the song played it with the "N*gger Love a Watermelon" lyrics included, and if someone posts a video of that.  Then I'll buy the concept.  Otherwise, it's "Turkey in the Straw".  Which is weird-ass enough for an ice cream truck.


THIS.

In high school, they brought in a very angry lady to talk to (read: shout at) us about sexism in the media. I will never forget how she showed us a series of "Got Milk?" ads (you know, the milk moustache ones) and then, sly grin on her face, showed us a, shall we say, pornographically-influenced parody ad that left very little to the imagination. She spent the next ten minutes explaining to us that milk ads were really just money shot jokes and that we should all be ashamed of ourselves for not realizing this sooner and that milk is basically a misogynistic racket.

I wish I could say that even a small fraction of that was made up.

/yeah, yeah... csb...
2014-05-11 11:41:17 PM  
2 votes:
2014-05-12 04:27:50 PM  
1 votes:

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Wow, sorry to hear that you were a slave slept through your history classes and didn't learn a goddamn thing, that must have sucked


just for you
2014-05-12 02:53:17 PM  
1 votes:

Aigoo: Here's a thought: when you become so focused on your own "victimhood," you become what you claim to hate. Stop being a victim. Stop being the problem. Be the solution.


Yeah, it's all black peoples fault. Jim Crow, segregation, slavery, beating, lynchings, job/loan discrimination... yup, we did it all to ourselves. On purpose. Really truly.
Some idiot decides to be an asshole to me because of the color of my skin, how the fark am I supposed to "solve" that short of kicking them in the mouth? I suppose you're going to tell us to "stop hitting ourselves" next.

Another example of someone who refuses to see the problem because "it ain't them". "Be the solution"... moron.
2014-05-12 11:01:02 AM  
1 votes:
This thread is a classic and concrete example of why race relations are still so farked up in this country.
It's not just that racism still exists here, although less than in the past, it's that the larger (white) community
refuses to acknowledge it's presence. The first step toward fixing the present is to find out why it's broken,
and that reason is always in the past.

Most white people aren't racist, yet still shake their heads in disbelief when racism is pointed out to them.
The only reason I can think of for that is that the people who perpetrate this foulness are, shall we say, "too close to home"...
the thought of someone who is so much like themselves in appearance and social standing having such views
elicits a protective response, manifesting in denial. In the back of their minds the thought "If they are like that... could I be like that?"
floats unbidden, forming a wall between reality and their psyches.

tl;dr - Racist sh*t happened in the past. Racist sh*t is happening now. Knowledge is the key to fighting it. Don't dismiss what people are trying to tell you.
2014-05-12 10:20:21 AM  
1 votes:
Even David Allan Coe would be offended by that song.
2014-05-12 09:17:54 AM  
1 votes:

Hermione_Granger: ILoveBurritos: Huh, the I've creams trucks around here played "The Entertainer"

Most trucks around here play that too. But when I was growing up they used to play the Turkey in the Straw song. One summer they quit and most trucks play some other nameless tune.

Dear White People,

I know you all think that anyone who brings up the racist history behind a lot of things is overstating things greatly. However I think any reasonable human being would also give credence to the converse: That maybe white people understate racism and the impact that history has on the present.

You think you're walking around as a white person, an individual - with no connection to a past that has anything to do with racist thought or behavior. Yet, if many of you examine your lives, and you're honest, you will find that your interactions with people of color are superficial at best. Even more, you would complete eschew any contact with people of color if you could.

I also think white people underestimate how much hurt these things cause black people. Even the most enlightened white people remain brutally and callously uncaring about the every day hurt black people feel when they encounter racist and discriminatory behavior from white people.

It's as if the entire country hung out a Welcome to Fark sign back in the 1700's. This country was built on the lie and the evil that only the thoughts, feelings and lives of white people matter.

That is truly, insidiously evil, especially in the way it works it's way down to even something that should be as benign as buying ice cream.


You know it's human nature to associate most with those similar to you, right? That's not something white people do specifically.

And as a white person who spent middle school as a minority, I can tell you completely random, unfounded racism goes both ways. As an 11 year old, whose family came here as poor Irish in the early 20th century, no, I didn't and don't have any connection to the institution of racism you're claiming every white person maliciously, yet unknowingly, participates in.

Kindly fark yourself.
2014-05-12 09:15:01 AM  
1 votes:
So if I get this straight, anything associated with racism is forever tinged. Why stop at the song? Then no more trading cars, ice cream trucks, music, actors etc. But were good with rappers, ghetto dwellers and prefessional athletes throwing around n!&&a$ word.
2014-05-12 09:10:32 AM  
1 votes:

Hermione_Granger: ILoveBurritos: Huh, the I've creams trucks around here played "The Entertainer"

Most trucks around here play that too. But when I was growing up they used to play the Turkey in the Straw song. One summer they quit and most trucks play some other nameless tune.

Dear White People,

I know you all think that anyone who brings up the racist history behind a lot of things is overstating things greatly. However I think any reasonable human being would also give credence to the converse: That maybe white people understate racism and the impact that history has on the present.

You think you're walking around as a white person, an individual - with no connection to a past that has anything to do with racist thought or behavior. Yet, if many of you examine your lives, and you're honest, you will find that your interactions with people of color are superficial at best. Even more, you would complete eschew any contact with people of color if you could.

I also think white people underestimate how much hurt these things cause black people. Even the most enlightened white people remain brutally and callously uncaring about the every day hurt black people feel when they encounter racist and discriminatory behavior from white people.

It's as if the entire country hung out a Welcome to Fark sign back in the 1700's. This country was built on the lie and the evil that only the thoughts, feelings and lives of white people matter.

That is truly, insidiously evil, especially in the way it works it's way down to even something that should be as benign as buying ice cream.


I am over forty years old and never knew of this obscure racist version of a tune I have always associated with "Turkey in the Straw" or "Do Your Ears Hang Low?" or even, "ICE CREAM!", but thank you for pointing out how that makes me an awful human being. It must be a heavy burden to possess such enlightenment.
2014-05-12 09:05:32 AM  
1 votes:

Tchernobog: Is it code switch? It's probably code switch.

/checks

Yep. Code switch is the worst farking drivel I've seen come out of NPR in years.


Came here to say basically this. Someone up thread speculated that NPR has an agenda. Code switch definitely had an agenda.
2014-05-12 08:36:46 AM  
1 votes:
Some people are just assholes and they WILL NOT be happy till even one else is as miserable as they are. Fark whoever wrote that BS article they need to go DIAF.
2014-05-12 08:31:53 AM  
1 votes:
CSB

While working near Orlando, I could frequently hear the ice cream truck roaming the nearby neighborhoods around lunchtime.

It was conspicuous when it stopped playing 'Turkey in the Straw" and started playing hip-hop as it transitioned from one demographic zone to another.

Now it makes a bit more sense.
2014-05-12 07:57:58 AM  
1 votes:
God damn earworm.
2014-05-12 07:36:40 AM  
1 votes:
"Mommy, can I have some ice cream?"

"NO. Ice cream is racist, because early American ice cream parlors played racist minstrel show tunes to lure in customers. Enlightened folk only eat foods with no connection to historical injustice."

"... Mommy, mayn't we even live in America, seeing as it was built by slaves? On lands emptied by genocide?"

"Indeed we may dear, provided we spend every waking moment feeling profound shame and spreading misery to all we meet.  It is the only way,"
2014-05-12 07:34:25 AM  
1 votes:
The ice cream truck in our neighborhood plays WaKko's America.
2014-05-12 06:56:13 AM  
1 votes:
This is a distraction from the important issues of the day. Like Benghazi.
2014-05-12 06:49:40 AM  
1 votes:
Oldiron_79:   Hey, whats going on in this thread?

Oh you know.  Fark outrage over nothing.  As usual.
2014-05-12 06:07:24 AM  
1 votes:
Yes, racism is bad - but,
i18.photobucket.com
2014-05-12 06:01:33 AM  
1 votes:
Lot of a-holes on this thread, which yeah, yeah, welcome to Fark and all that.

He never said that the ice cream man is racist for having that tune (or ice cream companies for that matter) or to ban the use of that tune.  All he said was it was surprising or shocking to learn about the true origins of the tune - which is understandable.  It's an interesting bit of back history which I enjoyed reading.


OscarTamerz:  So by the same twisted NPR liberturd logic since Joseph Haydn composed the music used for the Nazi anthem Deutschland Über Alles 1797 anyone listening to Haydn today is a Nazi. What a bunch of farking PC tards.

Yeah, that was exactly the writer's point. If you buy an ice cream, you hate black people.  [rolls eyes]
2014-05-12 05:59:22 AM  
1 votes:
Just so I understand what I'm recapping....

If someone at any point made up offensive lyrics to any tune, as soon as it is known offensive lyrics were made up, that song is now immediately sexist/racist/homophobic/etc in all future playings.

Yoy........

FTFA:
"The first and natural inclination, of course, is to assume that the ice cream truck song is simply paying homage to "Turkey in the Straw," but the melody reached the nation only after it was appropriated by traveling blackface minstrel shows. There is simply no divorcing the song from the dozens of decades it was almost exclusively used for coming up with new ways to ridicule, and profit from, black people."

1.) Citation needed.
2.) In the modern era if everyone has forgotten that there ever were racist lyrics, then how can the song still be racist? (Also, music can't be racist, lyrics can be.)
3.) Is the plan here to actively teach people that there is a racist way to sing the song and we should never forget?
2014-05-12 05:06:05 AM  
1 votes:
Things in the past need to stay in the past.  Otherwise you would not buy the Nissan Juke as in the past the common term for a whorehouse was a "Juke Joint" so the Nissan Juke is named after a whorehouse and that makes it a sin to buy it?  Give me a break.
2014-05-12 04:25:03 AM  
1 votes:
2014-05-12 04:24:08 AM  
1 votes:
The one in my neighborhood plays "The Entertainer", written by renowned KKK grand wizard  Scott Joplin.
2014-05-12 04:16:51 AM  
1 votes:
Huh, the I've creams trucks around here played "The Entertainer"
2014-05-12 03:58:40 AM  
1 votes:
I don't care if it's racist or not. All I know is by June, I will so sick of that song I'll be tempted to get on the roof of my apartment with a rifle and go all Texas Book Depository on the Ice Cream Man's ass.

/live across the street from a park
//hear this song non-stop for about 5 months a year
mhd
2014-05-12 03:54:59 AM  
1 votes:
So this is the swastika of ad jingles?
2014-05-12 03:44:51 AM  
1 votes:
I never heard of the watermelon song until now and I hadn't heard it until a few minutes ago after reading the article and then going to youtube.
Catchy tune.

I wish ice cream trucks would play "fark the police" instead, however.
2014-05-12 03:31:02 AM  
1 votes:
Enni Minni Miney Moe...
2014-05-12 03:27:18 AM  
1 votes:

gopher321: Well, thanks research guy. I never considered 'Turkey In the Straw' racist and hateful until now. Next time I have a rocky road double scoop, I'll call the NAACP first to ask if it's ok.


So it's okay when I only give the guy $3 for the $5 chocolate sundae?
2014-05-12 12:28:25 AM  
1 votes:

Tellingthem: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: dahmers love zombie: OK, so because some racist asswipe took "Turkey In The Straw" and wrote offensive lyrics for it, that's what all the ice cream trucks are playing?

I think I may possibly need a bit more evidence.  Like if the first ice cream trucks to play the song played it with the "N*gger Love a Watermelon" lyrics included, and if someone posts a video of that.  Then I'll buy the concept.  Otherwise, it's "Turkey in the Straw".  Which is weird-ass enough for an ice cream truck.

THIS.

In high school, they brought in a very angry lady to talk to (read: shout at) us about sexism in the media. I will never forget how she showed us a series of "Got Milk?" ads (you know, the milk moustache ones) and then, sly grin on her face, showed us a, shall we say, pornographically-influenced parody ad that left very little to the imagination. She spent the next ten minutes explaining to us that milk ads were really just money shot jokes and that we should all be ashamed of ourselves for not realizing this sooner and that milk is basically a misogynistic racket.

I wish I could say that even a small fraction of that was made up.

/yeah, yeah... csb...

Heh...in my copy classes in college we did an entire section on "foods with dipping sauce" advertisements. Every single one was supposedly some kind of phallic symbol with a money shot.  Before that class I never even thought about it. But now? It's all that I can picture when i see one. That class turned my mind into a perverted mess!


Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
2014-05-12 12:19:33 AM  
1 votes:

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: dahmers love zombie: OK, so because some racist asswipe took "Turkey In The Straw" and wrote offensive lyrics for it, that's what all the ice cream trucks are playing?

I think I may possibly need a bit more evidence.  Like if the first ice cream trucks to play the song played it with the "N*gger Love a Watermelon" lyrics included, and if someone posts a video of that.  Then I'll buy the concept.  Otherwise, it's "Turkey in the Straw".  Which is weird-ass enough for an ice cream truck.

THIS.

In high school, they brought in a very angry lady to talk to (read: shout at) us about sexism in the media. I will never forget how she showed us a series of "Got Milk?" ads (you know, the milk moustache ones) and then, sly grin on her face, showed us a, shall we say, pornographically-influenced parody ad that left very little to the imagination. She spent the next ten minutes explaining to us that milk ads were really just money shot jokes and that we should all be ashamed of ourselves for not realizing this sooner and that milk is basically a misogynistic racket.

I wish I could say that even a small fraction of that was made up.

/yeah, yeah... csb...


Heh...in my copy classes in college we did an entire section on "foods with dipping sauce" advertisements. Every single one was supposedly some kind of phallic symbol with a money shot.  Before that class I never even thought about it. But now? It's all that I can picture when i see one. That class turned my mind into a perverted mess!
2014-05-11 11:50:42 PM  
1 votes:
#boycotticecream

There. I solved the problem forever.
 
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