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2014-05-12 10:17:47 AM
I miss the days when Ice Cream Trucks used to go "brrrrring brrrrring" instead of playing insipid digitized music.
 
2014-05-12 10:20:21 AM
Even David Allan Coe would be offended by that song.
 
2014-05-12 10:21:09 AM
I always thought the song was turkey in the straw. Shrug.
 
2014-05-12 10:22:26 AM

vonster: Has anyone mentioned that a MELODY once upon a time co-opted for racist purposes doesn't not constitute a racist SONG??


It's the internet, where any dickhead's freshman sociology paper can be regurgitated as journalism.

by THEODORE R. JOHNSON, III

Oh, STFU you pretentious twat. Go back to Gilligan's Island.
 
2014-05-12 10:26:56 AM
I can't believe no one's mentioned that Jingle Bells is actually about Batman's poor hygiene
 
2014-05-12 10:32:53 AM

tricycleracer: Even David Allan Coe would be offended by that song.



Johnny Rebel, however, thought it was kinda bland.
 
2014-05-12 10:33:19 AM
Obviously, the government needs a program to build a time machine, go back in time, erase/prosecute all emblems of our past that anyone finds offensive, starting with slavery/racism. But what would people like this writer, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton have to get offended over? I hear them complain about racist America but why aren't they over saving those 300 Nigerian girls that were kidnapped as (sexual) slaves? Oh, wait: There is no white liberal guilt money to be had over there. And if all vestiges of racism were erased here, they would have to get real jobs.

/Michelle Obama DID put a picture on Twitter showing her solidarity. That meant a lot to those girls and their families, I'm sure.
 
2014-05-12 10:33:58 AM
ICE KEEM MAAAAN!
 
2014-05-12 10:36:28 AM
Applying this same logic, isn't this like saying all Ford vehicles are anti-Jewish.

Or since my great grandfather could have held a whip at one point, I am a cracker too.
 
2014-05-12 10:40:49 AM
Is it racist if I sing "Do your [whatever] hang low", when the truck goes by?
 
2014-05-12 10:47:44 AM
160 comments and not one post of this?

i536.photobucket.com
 
2014-05-12 10:48:47 AM
I've always known that song as "I Had a Chicken".

Well, I had a little chicken
And she wouldn't lay an egg
So I poured hot water all around her leg
And the little chicken hollered and the little chicken begged
And the gosh darn chicken laid a hard boiled egg!


Those are the lyrics in my mind whenever I hear that song.
 
2014-05-12 10:52:28 AM
So, it appears this article being really really stupid has already been covered.

So I'll just link to the really creepy music the ice cream trucks here play...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU41N6N2hfU

Actually, for me all ice cream trucks only have a creepy pedophile association, there were never any around when I was a kid, so I never actually got any ice cream from one.  Now I see these beaten to shiat vans with creepy looking guys driving them, and just have to wonder who would want a kid near one.  Even if the driver isn't a pedophile I'd be worried about food poisoning.
 
2014-05-12 10:52:45 AM

Lee451: Obviously, the government needs a program to build a time machine, go back in time, erase/prosecute all emblems of our past that anyone finds offensive, starting with slavery/racism. But what would people like this writer, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton have to get offended over? I hear them complain about racist America but why aren't they over saving those 300 Nigerian girls that were kidnapped as (sexual) slaves? Oh, wait: There is no white liberal guilt money to be had over there. And if all vestiges of racism were erased here, they would have to get real jobs.

/Michelle Obama DID put a picture on Twitter showing her solidarity. That meant a lot to those girls and their families, I'm sure.


Whew, I was starting to get worried that my, every thread about racism will include attacks against Jesse Jackson and/or Al Sharpton even though they are in no way involved theory was going to be busted by this thread.

Those two have nothing to do with this, they don't speak for everyone and your attempts to marginalize race issues are transparent.  Is the melody racist? Nope. Is the song he linked to? Yup.  Is anybody actually trying to do something with this knowledge? Nope.  So why do you give flying fark if somebody else talks about it?  Even if they were trying to ban the farking ice cream truck song why are you emotionally invested in the survival of the farking ice cream truck song at all anyway?
 
2014-05-12 10:55:58 AM

Lokkii: Uhm, this guy did little research and made a lot of assumptions.

This link is to a PDF and I can't pull quotes from it.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090205035547/http://homepages.nyu.edu/~ dt n2008/NeelySoftServe.pdf

However, fundamentally, his theory is bullshiat.


Apples and Oranges.  That PDF (which I highly recommend others read btw) is exploring the technology and business strategy behind the music (and also explains the dozens of other songs used).  What TFA is trying to convey is the particular connection of the melody of "Turkey in the Straw" to ice cream.  Argument being that the music played in late Victorian ice cream parlors (mentioned in your PDF) were tunes made popular from contemporary performances which just so happened to be racist as fark.

That particular tune being used to recall nostalgia from music boxes in late Victorian ice cream parlors (also noted in the article as being pioneered by Good Humor of California) would have been almost entirely associated with the racist minstrel pieces.  Plus, that particular racist tune had a call and respond related to ice cream which would have made it more likely to be played at an ice cream parlor.
 
2014-05-12 11:01:02 AM
This thread is a classic and concrete example of why race relations are still so farked up in this country.
It's not just that racism still exists here, although less than in the past, it's that the larger (white) community
refuses to acknowledge it's presence. The first step toward fixing the present is to find out why it's broken,
and that reason is always in the past.

Most white people aren't racist, yet still shake their heads in disbelief when racism is pointed out to them.
The only reason I can think of for that is that the people who perpetrate this foulness are, shall we say, "too close to home"...
the thought of someone who is so much like themselves in appearance and social standing having such views
elicits a protective response, manifesting in denial. In the back of their minds the thought "If they are like that... could I be like that?"
floats unbidden, forming a wall between reality and their psyches.

tl;dr - Racist sh*t happened in the past. Racist sh*t is happening now. Knowledge is the key to fighting it. Don't dismiss what people are trying to tell you.
 
2014-05-12 11:03:41 AM

Snarfangel: So, if I understand this article correctly...that means I can get watermelon ice cream?


At Sonic they can do a watermelon slush/soft serve ice cream combo and it's divine. The grape one is a little better though.
 
2014-05-12 11:04:18 AM

This text is now purple: Vlad_the_Inaner: It was conspicuous when it stopped playing 'Turkey in the Straw" and started playing hip-hop as it transitioned from one demographic zone to another.

If it's this one, it's still "Turkey in the Straw".


I'm not where I can play audio.  But there was no turkey in the straw melody embedded in the hip-hop if that's the implication.  (that I could hear)

/but that would be a cool transition.  Traditional, yet sensitive to environment.
 
2014-05-12 11:06:35 AM

pirho451: The ice cream truck in my neighborhood plays "Helter Skelter"


I used to live in a neighborhood where the ice cream truck played a music box version of Pink Floyd's "The Wall".  It was rather brilliant on their part.  You have kids and pot heads excited.

/I believe they might have sold marijuana.
 
2014-05-12 11:08:48 AM

The Southern Dandy: ♫♪ Do your balls hang low?
Do they swing to and fro?
Can you tie 'em in a knot?
Can you tie 'em in a bow?
Can you throw 'em over your shoulder like a continental soldier?
Do your balls hang low?  ♫♪


There are entire tumblr blogs dedicated to this, you should research them.
 
2014-05-12 11:09:39 AM

BigBooper: Last time I got treats from an ice cream truck, I paid more per treat than an entire box of the same stuff costs at the grocery store. How the fark did they get up too $3.50 for a sad pre-packaged ice cream cone?

 
He asks, regarding the country where people frequently pay $2 for 20 oz of chilled  tap water in a disposable bottle.

/my theory, the parents are not buying ice cream, they are buying silencing of the "WE WANT ICE CREAM!" chants
 
2014-05-12 11:09:54 AM

fusillade762: So Mickey Mouse is a racist?


Yeah, early mouse cartoons were basically minstrel shows:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw06K0dG1Zw 
I've always heard the Mister Softee Jingle and Chimes tune:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzodaDCD798
 
2014-05-12 11:10:54 AM
Ice cream trucks should change their songs to "Bangarang". Link
 
2014-05-12 11:31:39 AM
173 comments and not one of these?

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FARK, I am disappoint.
 
2014-05-12 11:34:22 AM

Hermione_Granger: ILoveBurritos: Huh, the I've creams trucks around here played "The Entertainer"


Most trucks around here play that too. But when I was growing up they used to play the Turkey in the Straw song. One summer they quit and most trucks play some other nameless tune.


Dear White People,


I know you all think that anyone who brings up the racist history behind a lot of things is overstating things greatly. However I think any reasonable human being would also give credence to the converse: That maybe white people understate racism and the impact that history has on the present.


This was great. Just a pleasure to start a Monday off with and I compliment the professionalism and polish. One point deducted for not taking the risk and slipping "you people" in there. Sure, you'd have gotten busted quicker, but the overall scintillation would have been greatly enhanced. 7.89/10

The Guild will issue a Notation of Specific Thanks in the mail tomorrow. Have a great rest of the week! ^>^
 
2014-05-12 11:43:28 AM

Vlad_the_Inaner: BigBooper: Last time I got treats from an ice cream truck, I paid more per treat than an entire box of the same stuff costs at the grocery store. How the fark did they get up too $3.50 for a sad pre-packaged ice cream cone?
 
He asks, regarding the country where people frequently pay $2 for 20 oz of chilled  tap water in a disposable bottle.

/my theory, the parents are not buying ice cream, they are buying silencing of the "WE WANT ICE CREAM!" chants


Got ice cream for $1/$1.50 just last month where I am. The non creepy ice cream truck plays turkey in the straw. The creepy one which is just a regular van modified with a bullhorn plays classical music.
 
2014-05-12 11:48:34 AM
In my neighborhood, the Ice Cream Truck just plays a recording of this guy:
i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-05-12 11:50:00 AM
Mary had a little sheepAnd with the sheep she went to sleepBut the sheep turned out to be a ramSo Mary had a little lamb.
 
2014-05-12 11:51:11 AM

mike_d85: Lokkii: Uhm, this guy did little research and made a lot of assumptions.

This link is to a PDF and I can't pull quotes from it.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090205035547/http://homepages.nyu.edu/~ dt n2008/NeelySoftServe.pdf

However, fundamentally, his theory is bullshiat.

Apples and Oranges.  That PDF (which I highly recommend others read btw) is exploring the technology and business strategy behind the music (and also explains the dozens of other songs used).  What TFA is trying to convey is the particular connection of the melody of "Turkey in the Straw" to ice cream.  Argument being that the music played in late Victorian ice cream parlors (mentioned in your PDF) were tunes made popular from contemporary performances which just so happened to be racist as fark.

That particular tune being used to recall nostalgia from music boxes in late Victorian ice cream parlors (also noted in the article as being pioneered by Good Humor of California) would have been almost entirely associated with the racist minstrel pieces.  Plus, that particular racist tune had a call and respond related to ice cream which would have made it more likely to be played at an ice cream parlor.


No, he's right.  According to this essay, written by an ethnomusicologist, no less, ice cream parlors had all kinds of popular music being played in them, and where an early site for coin operated jukeboxes.


The choice of music for ice cream trucks was specifically a) ice cream oriented b)written by the ice cream vendors c)recognizable orchestral snippets(e.g. Tannhauser, from the article) or d)kiddie music, which, by the time Turkey in the Straw became popular for trucks, it most certainly was. It's been a kid's campfire song for probably close to a century now in the Northeast


The alternative is everyone in America selling ice cream out of trucks in the 60s and 70s collectively decided that they needed to find that one song about n**gers and watermelon they might have heard their grandad sing before he died and make it into a coded statement about making fun of black people and tie it to the traveling ice cream industry.


But the MOST IMPORTANT part of the ice cream music is that it was chimes, because chimes make us happy. the tune is not important. It's arbitrary. So if all you can think of when you here Turkey in the Straw is a single racist novelty song from the olden days, you have only yourself to blame.


This is now officially, thoroughly, debunked. Class A garbage reporting and evidence of nothing more than pure shiftless laziness on the part of the writer.
 
2014-05-12 11:56:22 AM
Stupid phone.

Mary had a little sheep
And with the sheep she went to sleep
But the sheep turned out to be a ram
So Mary had a little lamb.

/Heard that in high school.
 
2014-05-12 11:57:18 AM
Well to be fair, they do love watermelon. Then again, so do I.
 
2014-05-12 12:03:16 PM

rewind2846: This thread is a classic and concrete example of why race relations are still so farked up in this country.
It's not just that racism still exists here, although less than in the past, it's that the larger (white) community
refuses to acknowledge it's presence. The first step toward fixing the present is to find out why it's broken,
and that reason is always in the past.

Most white people aren't racist, yet still shake their heads in disbelief when racism is pointed out to them.
The only reason I can think of for that is that the people who perpetrate this foulness are, shall we say, "too close to home"...
the thought of someone who is so much like themselves in appearance and social standing having such views
elicits a protective response, manifesting in denial. In the back of their minds the thought "If they are like that... could I be like that?"
floats unbidden, forming a wall between reality and their psyches.

tl;dr - Racist sh*t happened in the past. Racist sh*t is happening now. Knowledge is the key to fighting it. Don't dismiss what people are trying to tell you.


On the off chance you're not trolling...

Yeah, racist shiat happened in the past, is happening now, and will unfortunately keep happening in the future.  It would be great if it would all stop, and I'm all about trying to stop it.

But the wordless tune played by ice cream trucks isn't racism.  Plenty of the teabaggers are racists.  The Republican party has quite a few racists.  Racism in hiring is still a huge problem in this country.  The police in this country may be more racist now than any time since the '60s.  I've encountered it in my personal life, and I've told friends to knock it the fark off.  Racism is real, it's serious, and it's wrong.

But looking for racism where it doesn't exist is stupid and counterproductive.  What do you suppose the chances are that anyone hearing it now thinks of "Zip Coon"?  I'd say it's damn near nil.  I'd never heard of it before today, and I've probably heard that tune thousands of times.  And the origin of the tune is older than this country, and isn't related to racism at all.

So now we know.  The tune was once entangled with racism.  But that time is over, the entanglement is gone, time and other uses of the tune have erased it from our collective memory, and now it's just a somewhat annoying tune played by ice cream trucks, and that some of us actually associate more with the Apple II than anything else.

In short...

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-05-12 12:06:46 PM
Here is Boston, they took down a sign for the NE Aquarium that displayed some penguins with the slogan "the original hip hoppers" because someone thought it was racist.
How on Earth could that possibly be racist??
Pathetic attention whore losers know no racial boundaries....
 
2014-05-12 12:51:52 PM

Mugato: All I know is music from farking ice cream trucks is farking annoying. I don't know how those drivers don't go insane.


How do you know they don't?
 
2014-05-12 01:08:12 PM
There are no lyrics played by the ice cream trucks. So which of the musical notes of the melody are racist?
 
2014-05-12 01:14:03 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

hey guys, has anyone posted this yet?
 
2014-05-12 01:16:29 PM
Political Correctness: Doing its part every year to make some part of children's innocent fun inherently bigoted.
 
2014-05-12 01:24:01 PM
I will not be boycotting Ice Cream.

I will drink every time I hear National Anthem!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l-n64NWHS4
 
2014-05-12 01:29:28 PM

yoyopro: Mirandized: noazark: "Turkey in the Straw" is also the underlying melody for "Do Your Boobs Hang Low?"

/just sayin'

And when I was a boy scout some sixty years ago, we sang that song at camp outs with the lyrics "Do your ears hang low." Now I suppose all kids must quit singing that or be sexist or racist, depending on which version most offends.

Holy smokes Harvey!

60 years ago you were a Boy Scout?

What age does that make you today?

I'm just a cub compared to you.


Get off my lawn and take your watermelon with you.
 
2014-05-12 01:33:27 PM
I knew about Turkey In The Straw's roots in minstrel music hand't heard that version though.  That was pretty interesting/disturbing.  It's also easy to forget that at one point the Stephen Foster-styled minstrel tune was by far THE most popular genre music in America.

The go-to for ice-cream trucks in my area is the loving ode to erectile dysfunction.  Unlike a lot of other ice cream truck music, which is lifted from folk or classic tunes (look Ma, no royalties!)  The Mr. Softee theme was an original written to promote the Mr. Softee experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0rGNLd6tdw

The company was based in the Northeast which probably explains the prevalence of their trucks in the NYC area.  I always thought the lyrics should be "This is the song I hear all day that makes me want to blow my head off, this is the song I hear all day that makes me want to blow my head off."
 
2014-05-12 01:33:41 PM

That Guy What Stole the Bacon: Tellingthem: That Guy What Stole the Bacon: dahmers love zombie: OK, so because some racist asswipe took "Turkey In The Straw" and wrote offensive lyrics for it, that's what all the ice cream trucks are playing?

I think I may possibly need a bit more evidence.  Like if the first ice cream trucks to play the song played it with the "N*gger Love a Watermelon" lyrics included, and if someone posts a video of that.  Then I'll buy the concept.  Otherwise, it's "Turkey in the Straw".  Which is weird-ass enough for an ice cream truck.

THIS.

In high school, they brought in a very angry lady to talk to (read: shout at) us about sexism in the media. I will never forget how she showed us a series of "Got Milk?" ads (you know, the milk moustache ones) and then, sly grin on her face, showed us a, shall we say, pornographically-influenced parody ad that left very little to the imagination. She spent the next ten minutes explaining to us that milk ads were really just money shot jokes and that we should all be ashamed of ourselves for not realizing this sooner and that milk is basically a misogynistic racket.

I wish I could say that even a small fraction of that was made up.

/yeah, yeah... csb...

Heh...in my copy classes in college we did an entire section on "foods with dipping sauce" advertisements. Every single one was supposedly some kind of phallic symbol with a money shot.  Before that class I never even thought about it. But now? It's all that I can picture when i see one. That class turned my mind into a perverted mess!

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...


Unless it's a Lewinsky brand cigar.
 
2014-05-12 02:12:41 PM

Thats_right_ALL_the_tea: I'm pretty sure that melody has existed longer than those lyrics, but even if he's right and it's not:

If everyone forgot that the song is racist, to the point that nobody is offended by it, what purpose does it serve to dredge up the old lyrics? Yay, now a cute little melody is ruined and people that were previously not offended are.

"There is simply no divorcing the song from the dozens of decades it was almost exclusively used for coming up with new ways to ridicule, and profit from, black people."? Well, either the article is redundant trash telling people what they already knew, or that assertion is false because people didn't know about those decades.


Honestly, I'm a bit of a history buff and this is the first time I've heard that. I always knew it as Turkey in the Straw. Only about half the trucks play it anymore--most in the neighborhoods I've lived in for about the past fifteen years or so are playing Pop Goes the Weasel now anyway, but I guess if somebody has to feel guilty, more power to them. Personally, I wasn't involved in slavery or oppression of blacks, Chinese, or anyone else (nor do I know anyone who was directly involved, since I don't know any Guiness record holders who've lived a hundred and thirty to a hundred and sixty-ish years), so I'm just gonna enjoy ice cream and encourage children to do the same.
 
2014-05-12 02:26:25 PM
That's funny.  In my neighborhood the ice cream truck plays "It's a small world after all".  After reading those lyrics I almost got them to fit the cadence.  Then I saw they were talking about turkey in the straw.
 
2014-05-12 02:27:11 PM

Tchernobog: Hermione_Granger: ILoveBurritos: Huh, the I've creams trucks around here played "The Entertainer"

Most trucks around here play that too. But when I was growing up they used to play the Turkey in the Straw song. One summer they quit and most trucks play some other nameless tune.

Dear White People,

I know you all think that anyone who brings up the racist history behind a lot of things is overstating things greatly. However I think any reasonable human being would also give credence to the converse: That maybe white people understate racism and the impact that history has on the present.

You think you're walking around as a white person, an individual - with no connection to a past that has anything to do with racist thought or behavior. Yet, if many of you examine your lives, and you're honest, you will find that your interactions with people of color are superficial at best. Even more, you would complete eschew any contact with people of color if you could.

I also think white people underestimate how much hurt these things cause black people. Even the most enlightened white people remain brutally and callously uncaring about the every day hurt black people feel when they encounter racist and discriminatory behavior from white people.

It's as if the entire country hung out a Welcome to Fark sign back in the 1700's. This country was built on the lie and the evil that only the thoughts, feelings and lives of white people matter.

That is truly, insidiously evil, especially in the way it works it's way down to even something that should be as benign as buying ice cream.

You know it's human nature to associate most with those similar to you, right? That's not something white people do specifically.

And as a white person who spent middle school as a minority, I can tell you completely random, unfounded racism goes both ways. As an 11 year old, whose family came here as poor Irish in the early 20th century, no, I didn't and don't have any connection to the institut ...


Scots-Irish and American Indian. So, not entirely white and seen plenty of anti-Irish racism and plenty more anti-Indian racism. Lived in Chicago for five years, so I've seen my fair share of racism against whites.

It fascinates me, this "you don't know how it feels" thing blacks have going on.

Here's a thought: when you become so focused on your own "victimhood," you become what you claim to hate. Stop being a victim. Stop being the problem. Be the solution.

Or shut the fark up.
 
2014-05-12 02:31:04 PM

Mad_Radhu: Now... Vader, he's a spiritual brother, y'know, down with the force and all that good shiat. Then this cracker, Skywalker, gets his hands on a light saber and the boy decides he's gonna run the farkin' universe; gets a whole clan of whites together. And they go and bust up Vader's hood, the Death Star. Now what the fark do you call that?


Intergalactic Civil War?
 
2014-05-12 02:33:31 PM

dahmers love zombie: OK, so because some racist asswipe took "Turkey In The Straw" and wrote offensive lyrics for it, that's what all the ice cream trucks are playing?

I think I may possibly need a bit more evidence.  Like if the first ice cream trucks to play the song played it with the "N*gger Love a Watermelon" lyrics included, and if someone posts a video of that.  Then I'll buy the concept.  Otherwise, it's "Turkey in the Straw".  Which is weird-ass enough for an ice cream truck.


^This.
 
2014-05-12 02:53:17 PM

Aigoo: Here's a thought: when you become so focused on your own "victimhood," you become what you claim to hate. Stop being a victim. Stop being the problem. Be the solution.


Yeah, it's all black peoples fault. Jim Crow, segregation, slavery, beating, lynchings, job/loan discrimination... yup, we did it all to ourselves. On purpose. Really truly.
Some idiot decides to be an asshole to me because of the color of my skin, how the fark am I supposed to "solve" that short of kicking them in the mouth? I suppose you're going to tell us to "stop hitting ourselves" next.

Another example of someone who refuses to see the problem because "it ain't them". "Be the solution"... moron.
 
2014-05-12 03:01:29 PM

DarkVader: So now we know.


And should we not also know the history that so many are desperately trying to forget? That was the point of the article and it's research.
The roots of this issue run deep withing this nation's history and psyche, and has never been resolved because too many of those who actually did some this dirt would rather not have their skeletons shown the light of day.
History can teach us why a society is great, but it can also teach us why that same society should be humble. Welcome to humility.
 
2014-05-12 03:03:23 PM
Late to the party(?), but on a lighter note, I always thought it would be a great safety feature if the music were somehow linked, mechanically, to the tachometer - the higher the RPMs, the faster the music plays. So kids could tell if the truck was speeding up or slowing down. Imagine after he gets on the interstate...
 
2014-05-12 03:32:36 PM

rewind2846: Aigoo: Here's a thought: when you become so focused on your own "victimhood," you become what you claim to hate. Stop being a victim. Stop being the problem. Be the solution.

Yeah, it's all black peoples fault. Jim Crow, segregation, slavery, beating, lynchings, job/loan discrimination... yup, we did it all to ourselves. On purpose. Really truly.
Some idiot decides to be an asshole to me because of the color of my skin, how the fark am I supposed to "solve" that short of kicking them in the mouth? I suppose you're going to tell us to "stop hitting ourselves" next.

Another example of someone who refuses to see the problem because "it ain't them". "Be the solution"... moron.


Wow, sorry to hear that you were a slave, that must have sucked. Glad you survived the lynching though! Are you one of those 5%'ers I keep hearing about?
 
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